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  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Brenda,
    I'm no expert, but it's been my experience (and Grace's, since her hearing is way better than mine) :) that the whine could very well be the water pump. Whines have portended water pump failures in many of our vehicles over the years.

    Might be a leak of coolant from the pump onto a hot surface that you'll only smell while stopped - otherwise the odor gets blown away as the car moves.

    Is the heater producing warm air both at idle and at speed? If the pump isn't pumping to the core, the air will cool at idle.

    Hope this helps.
    Cheers!
    Paul
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    I remember well the fires of Sydney a number of years ago that came within 500 feet of my flat - an unnerving experience.

    Best Wishes, Graham!
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Graham,

    I thought of you the other day while reading an article about the record high temps Melbourne has been experiencing. Here's hoping that you, your mum and sister expereince no futher negative effects from the bushfires. Please keep us posted!

    -Frank
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    This is a little off topic, but I'm curious if over the years, there have been similar Edmunds episodes such as the current "Should we mod it or not" angst going on over the GT-R?

    On one hand, it's understandable a long term performance car should remain a long term performance car, if not better.
    On other, manufacturers often have TSB's for vehicles over their lifetime. Should not these be performed as the manufacturer plans, even if it does slightly reduce vehicle performance in return for longevity?

    Is the GT-R the first vehicle to face this decision at Edmunds?

    I've not seen any such musings over Subaru products, but imagine the time may come for that.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Not sure exactly the question. We don't see it discussed much here, but on other boards, folks mod the beejesus out of their Subies. Is that what you mean? We are a different demographic than the other boards which are heavily weighted towards younger drivers with more STi s and WRXs than Outbacks.
    If you are meaning Skyline GT-R, I'd leave that beauty alone. Supercar performance for Premium vehicle price PLUS a warranty - now there's a perfect triad! The only reason I could see to mod it would be to make it a pure race car. AS it is, driving it at anything more than 25% of it's capacity on a public highway would be a ticket in all 50 states and Canada.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    There was extensive coverage on the news this AM on the drive into work. You instantly came to mind. They were commenting that many experienced fire crews were physically and emotionally collapsing under these extremes.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Graham,

    Sounds like your sister and brother-in-law are smart people. Good luck with everything on your plate at the moment (a lot it seems).

    Best wishes and know you are in our thoughts.

    -Mark
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    thanks for the reply ...

    don't know that I've noticed a difference in the heat but I HAVE noticed that sometimes I feel like the heat is working overtime it's so hot!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.freep.com/article/20090208/COL14/902080449/1014/BUSINESS01/Love+or+ha- - - te+him++Bangle+changed+way+cars+look

    "Chris Bangle is arguably the most influential designer of the late 1990s and the first decade of this century," said Jim Hall, managing director of 2953 Analytics, a Birmingham industry analysis firm, and a consultant who helps automakers evaluate designs for new vehicles.

    I agree. As the article states, his influence can be felt/seen on a whole bunch of vehicles, not just BMW.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Graham

    I've been following these fires on TV. According to the BBC the latest official death toll stands at 128 as of this posting. That's just horrible, as is the utter destruction. Our thoughts and prayers are with you, your family and your neighbors. Please keep us posted.

    Bob
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Its now 48 hours after the catastrophic fires which are now clearly the worst in Australia's history (and that is saying something). My sister and family are now getting things into some semblance of order, arranging a post hole digger so they can re-fence promptly. They have only been able to leave their property in the last hour and will not have power or phone service for some days. They need a larger generator rapidly so I may buy and deliver tomorrow.

    The damage is stunning and will run to hundreds of millions of dollars. The human cost is very severe. The death toll is climbing as police get access to isolated properties. Now over 130 dead with many more missing. Very grim for the unfortunate police who have to search. Victim identification teams have been brought in from interstate.

    Many of the victims were seeking to flee the fire in their cars, exactly what one should not do in a fire. You either leave early or choose to stay and defend the place. The latest macabre sport is to attempt to identify the make of burnt out cars. Devoid of plastic element, it is very hard to do!.

    Strange days indeed

    Not so cheers

    Graham
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    How awful .... It's one thing to read/hear about these things on the news - quite another to hear it from "one of us" - truly puts a "face" on the story ...
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    If you look really closely, you'll see my Outback going past the plant on Interstate 65 ... OH MAN ... they put the number RIGHT where my car is !!! How DARE they cover us up ...

    (well we HAVE been past the plant on the highway before ... we COULD be there !!!)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,726
    I agree that it could be the water pump beginning to fail. With the smell of coolant, it may be a sign that the inner bearing seal has failed on the pump. However, the manufacturer builds the pump with a seep hole behind that bearing seal. So, if the seal did fail, coolant may slowly leak out of that seep hole. It is very easy to determine if this is the case; the hold is located on the bottom of the water pump, just fore of the thermostat housing and lower radiator hose connection. If leakage is present, it should be quite noticeable, with a greenish-blue residue in that area. Also, you may notice a very small "puddle" of coolant under the front of the car after it has sat for a short while. The leak only tends to occur while and shortly after running the vehicle.

    If this be the case, the good news is that you have time to schedule the replacement, but I would not wait too long. I did that, and it found me stranded at 0100 on a Sunday morning, with temps at about -25F. Not fun. :blush:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,726
    I am sorry you are having to experience this, Graham; especially so up close and personal. We had two back-to-back years of >5 million acres burned here in Alaska in 2004 and 2005, but those fires mostly burned uninhabited areas, chewing up recreational cabins along the way. One fire came within about 6 miles (as the crow flies) of my place, with nothing but dense forest (and a few houses) between us. While it felt somewhat akin to wading through a cigarette filter for many weeks, the danger was constrained mostly to respiratory ailment and mental anguish... and that was certainly enough!

    Best wishes for your continued safety,

    -Wes-
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I hope you're able to find a generator for sale. We lost power a few years ago and I went all the way up to Philly (lark6 helped me search, even) and I still could not find one.

    We had no power for 9 days after that rain storm.

    Best of luck.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I won't debate the significance of his influence, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a good influence.

    I tend to like a design that stays out of the way, if you will. Function over form, and I don't necessarily want to notice it visually.

    So if a vehicle has everything I want but nothing stands out visually, it's perfect, i.e. good aerodynamics, but no fender skirts please. ;)
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Graham- I just read that the death count is now over 170 and still rising with many perishing in their homes. Were these fires that exceptionally fast moving or was not everyone as prepared for them as your family?

    Condolences to everyone who lost loved ones or property.

    -Frank
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    The fires were very fast moving but the key problem has been people living in the bush but not being prepared for the hazard. I cannot help feeling that many people are unable to take responsibility for their own actions.

    My sister has just come from a community meeting where the usual complainers bitched that no-oine had warned them. This was despite three or four days of constant blanket coverage that this would be the all time worst fire danger ever seen in Victoria and unavoidable media coverage on the day. The complainants expected that the Fire Brigade would pop around and say 'Hi, time to go!' The fire front can move at 60mph under these conditions. In the midst of the crisis, one of mum's neighbours assured her that they could not get a bushfire. Having lived through a few, mum was sceptical. Folks are strange!

    My sister found a decent sized generator not far from home and they delivered to the roadblocks where my brother in law could pick it up. In another day or so, Police may permit access to all.

    Not so cheers

    Graham
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    What's the take over there on the possibility that some fires were deliberately set? I read and heard on the radio about that being announced by the gov't. If so, it is truly horrific, but seems very early to be making such conjectures. The standard answer in such cases is almost always, "It's too early to make any statements, wait for proper invesigation blah, blah blah" The jaded view is that whehter it's true or not, it had the appearance of an attempt to quickly deflect any blame from government. Is that being talked about or are people still too busy trying to come to grips with the enormity of things?
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    The unfortunate reality for many wildfires around the world is that they are set by arsonists. In the case of the fire that affected my sister, that is almost certainly the case and the police are closing in on the likely arsonist. The same applies for several other incidents on the same day. As fatalities occurred, the charge will likely be "Causing Death by Arson" which caries a maximum sentence of 25 years in Victoria. However, given the community attitude to arson in a high fire risk country, any person finding themselves in jail for it, would likely suffer an interesting life.

    Professionally, I have investigated quite a few arson cases, but remain mystified by the thought process that triggers the action. By and large, arsonists are male (not universally) between the ages of 13 and 50. There is a supposed correlation with bed wetting and sexual abuse as children. There is also supposedly a higher occurrence amongst fire-fighters mirroring the anecdotal experience of higher theft risk amongst security guards, which I also cannot explain.

    All round, investigation of these incidents is very depressing. In one of the fires, fire fighters saw an arsonist relighting fires they had just extinguished and provided an excellent description of the vehicle used. This was widely advertised by the police. Not terribly common, this is likely to be a significant lead and the press today are saying that a photo fit image will be released shortly

    Not so cheers

    Graham
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    the key problem has been people living in the bush but not being prepared for the hazard. I cannot help feeling that many people are unable to take responsibility for their own actions.

    Graham- I'm a little surprised by that. It's a bit disconcerting to discover that Australians aren't that different from Americans. My impression had always been that the blokes from Down Under were the proudly self-reliant and independent sort(certainly you seem to embody those qualities). Maybe I've watched too many Crocodile Dundee movies ;)

    -Frank
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Preparedness for hazards is an interesting question. For those Australians who have grown up in the bush, the hazard of fire is real and constant, as they will likely have had a near miss at some time in their past. They will certainly have seen the effect of fire from small scale events.

    I guess it's a case of adapting to environment. The first time someone offered to knife me (in San Francisco at midday) came as a complete surprise. A very naive foreign traveller, I had no idea what to do. I rapidly adapted to a different set of personal safety standards, looking less like a dumb Aussie tourist.

    Many Australians have chosen to move from urban areas to bush blocks, the geography around many major population centres making it feasible to commute. The skill set to live in that environment is not always present. The astute learn quickly but many see living in the bush as a cheap or lifestyle alternative to city living. In the absence of actual experience of fires, there is a presumption that the hazard does not exist or that the protective measures available in the city (a fire hydrant within 100 metres and a paid professional fire brigade in the same suburb) also apply. In the bush, you are primarily responsible for your own well being.

    My sister commented that, for her, the most traumatic part of this experience has not been the fire itself, or consoling friends or neighbours who have lost all physical possessions. Rather, it was attended the community briefing session to outline the continuing hazard from the fire and hearing the large number of "ugly citizens" abusing the volunteer (but highly professional) fire fighting operation for manifold supposed failures. Prime amongst these was the supposed failure to notify of the threat, despite the blanket coverage in the days leading up to Saturday. With a fire front bearing down at 80mph, it is not feasible for a man in a red truck to pop around to every isolated bush block and say "Time to go!".

    The tendency to try and blame others for our own failures is a common human failing. There is an argument that the export of American values (by which Australia is heavily influenced, compliments of film and television) carries both benefits and hazards. Prime amongst the hazards is the blame culture which so often sees odd law suits in the USA. We get them too, but our legal system, whilst heavily consumer focussed, tends to moderate the weirder claims.

    There are very many people who have survived this disaster through careful planning and implementation of those plans. Thats not universal as some perished despite acting responsibly. I mourn those but wonder at the idiocy of many.

    Not so cheers

    Graham
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    11 cents per share? Ouch.

    Stern's paycheck is gonna bounce!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,726
    Dang. Sounds like a great time to buy stock.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=826313

    probably written up elsewhere, and even linked here before ...

    the link said "a surprising sedan" ... then went here ... lol
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    It looks like Subaru will get help from Toyota for direct injection, which will be on their upcoming coupe (and all boxers, I'm sure) beginning in 2012.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/18/toyota-subaru-fr-sports-car-code-named-086a-w- ill-include-direct/

    That's both good news and bad news. It's good news that Subaru will be getting DI; it's bad news in that it's taking so long to get here.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Right now Toyota uses DI in the 2GR engines in most Lexus models but not in V6 Toyotas. So we may see them only at higher price points, even in 2012.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I'm pretty sure Nissan uses DI on the Rogue, which is a price-sensitive vehicle. I expect to see Subaru use DI across the board eventually.

    Bob
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    It seems to be taking Subaru a while to get DI into its engines. When it does, DI, and hopefully improved AT's or CVT's, will improve Subie's MPG and overall efficiency.

    They would let me consider a newer version of the Forester, assuming those improvements get to that model line.
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    so I finally remember on a Thursday night to check into chat, and I can't get in .... it says "no access" ... I do not remember getting that message ever before ...
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,726
    Brenda, G.O.L.F. :D :shades:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    yeah ... real funny ....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not around me.

    Per gasbuddy.com, lowest prices for my zip are:

    $1.79 for regular
    $2.06 for premium
    $2.39 for diesel

    Still 34% than the cost of regular gas. That just about offsets the 20-40% efficiency gains.

    I compare to regular because let's face it, anyone shopping for fuel economy would look for cars that don't require premium fuel.

    At least diesel is affordable again. For a while there is stayed over $3.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I don't think so, Bob. A quick search and I saw several references to Sequential MPFI.

    I think the Tiguan's 2.0FSI is, though.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I'd agree, I'm pretty sure the Tiguan isn't price sensitive.
    So what makes DI so expensive to achieve? With manufacturers producing upper tier models with it, the engines could trickle down. Or is it an issue of keeping it as a premium feature? That argument might hold more now, since the collapse in fuel prices removed much of the urgency to bring those powerplants to market.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    There was a time when DOHC and 4-valves-per cylinder were considered too expensive to be found on economy cars; now those engineering features are everywhere, and in all price categories. The same will happen with DI I'm sure.

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,726
    Well, apples to oranges, but diesel in your zip is ten cents cheaper than regular unleaded here. As of yesterday morning, it was $2.499. I am not sure of the price of diesel, but it is still north of $3. I suspect around $3.20-$3.30.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I should add to the above that VW does offer many different DI engines on many price sensitive models in Europe, just not in NA yet.
  • amsbearamsbear Member Posts: 147
    Bob,

    Take a look at the Toyota Venza. The price point is in the Outback Limited range.

    http://www.toyota.com/venza/

    Just reread the specs again and they mentioned Direct Ignition (not Injection)... sorry.

    Alan
    98 OBW Ltd 160,000 miles.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They have a high tech 1.4 TFSI, something like that.

    But...remember that VW slots itself at the high end of each price/size class.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Speaking of DC gas prices... was just there looking for a place to live and noted that the price for regular was almost identical to Phoenix's prices. However, here I can routinely find premium for only 20 cents more but in DC, the cheapest I saw it was for 30 cents extra. I read a while back that it only cost 8 cents extra to produce premium from the refinery so some ones making a hefty profit :(

    -Frank

    P.S. Juice & Bob - Sorry I didn't say hi but it was a quick trip. We'll be arriving for good on the first of April. Found a place to live near Mt Vernon.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Great Frank. When you get settled in, juice you and I will have to get together.

    Oh, what's the reason for the move?

    Bob
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,589
    Oh, what's the reason for the move?


    Running the new stimulus program? ;)

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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.motorauthority.com/europes-carmakers-show-off-four-cylinder-engines-w- - ith-v8-performance.html

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-announces-new-line-of-ecotec-engines/

    http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/01/06/detroit-2008-ford-ecoboost-gasoline-turb- o-direct-injection-engi/

    I really think we'll see DI (combined with turbos) on most gas- and diesel-powered cars within the next few years. As you can see by the links above, manufacturers will likely be forced into using this technology in order to meet fuel mileage standards and keep customers happy with good power.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    At one point Colin said the wholesale price difference between regular and premium was just 3 pennies!

    Not sure if that's still true now.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,726
    When it comes to % increase in fuel economy when comparing DI to standard fuel injection alone, does anyone know the result? Basically, same engine and powertrain in the same car... how much better is the fuel economy with direct injection?
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