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* = Egad, not another crossover vehicle!
Bob
So, how should I spend my day at Indy? Go find my seat and sit there all day? Wander around and view the race from different vantage points? Fo that matter, can you even see the course from lots of varying places, or is it completely surrounded by stands? I go to Mid-Ohio a lot, and there isn't a bad spot anywhere to watch the races.
I'm in Cleveland, and was planning on driving early Sunday morning, since I can't imagine finding accomadations reasonably priced this late. Is there shuttle service from outlying parking? Pleny of parking near the track? I'm overwhelmed with questions.
I don't imagine a general admission ticket gets me anywhere near being able to see the cars, drivers, pit babes, etc. Right? (Got to walk right up to the Johnson Controls Jag Paul Newman was driving at Mid-Ohio yesterday for the GT1 race at the Runoffs!)
So, help a F1 newbie out. Point to some web site or guide, or give me some personal recommendations. Anything would be appreciated. Reply either here or by direct email to SubaruWRX@mac.com
Thanks,
Steve
just got the dvd * this weekend - hilarious.
-Brian
* Monsters, Inc.
:-D
-Colin
-Brian
http://my.brickyard.com/usgp
And yes, I was referring to the new Ram Quad Cabs.
Brian: think about it - they guy's name is Mike. All wheel drive. He's a Subaru fan!
-juice
Article said 260hp, to distinguish from Pilot I guess. 5 speed auto, VTM can send 30% more power to the rear? Kind of vague. Dual piston calipers on the front brakes. Whoop-de-doo, now it matches my Forester's brakes.
The rear camera is an interseting option - blind spots can be pretty bad on taller SUVs.
Some Paris preview stuff: Audi may bring the next A3? Don't - I'm not sure Mercedes has done so well with the "coupe" hatchback. AN had yet another article that mentioned the Mercedes name no longer seemed exclusive enough, so they had to use Maybach for their premium sedans. The Golf is the A3. It's gone upscale so there's no real room for the A3.
The VW Magellan may become an Audi, based on the Cayenne/Touareg platform. Interesting. They are really leveraging that platform.
And rumor has it the Cayenne has sold out for 2 years already! *gasp* But get this - it's delayed months because of engineering problems with it and the VeeDub!
Meanwhile, no money was left for the Boxster so it gets a glass window and a whopping 8hp instead of a redesign. That thing will be a decade old by the time they replace it. Guess they spent all the R&D funds on that problematic SUV!
Sorento starts at $19,995, but a 4WD EX runs $24,595. I was hoping for a little lower, the minivan is a much better value IMO.
-juice
At a decade, the Boxster will still be in its infancy.
-Colin
What are others' experiences with the shifter?
..Mike
..Mike
Ron
Ron: we discussed the topic at length in the past. That was in Future Models, and spilled over to this topic when it was created. I agree, but the bean counters knew something if 2 years of production is already sold out.
Problem is, now they have to come up with big development cash for the 911/Boxster at a time when the market might collapse.
-juice
Unfortunately the SUV idea is only one of Porsche's huge mistakes lately. The low-powered Boxster S is another, but the biggest one is Porsche's exit from factory supported racing. They still sell parts, but they have no engineers and no race budget. No factory teams!
Dumb! What took Porsche to the fore was the Speedster's factory-backed racing. This tradition continued with the 911 and met with astounding success in the dealerships and on the racetrack.
-Colin
Colin: Your comments are right on the mark. I have to admit that I haven't kept up with "sports car" racing (i.e., 24hr - endurance road racing) in several years. (Partially due to the lack of coverage in the states) I'm shocked that Porsche no longer fields a factory team. I can remember their domination of road racing (was it the 970's?) back in the 70's and 80's. Amazing!
-Ron
BMW and Mercedes offer substantially more powerful roadsters than Porsche.
-juice
The Boxster was the most balanced all around. Personally, I'd still pick the underpowered TT roadster based on looks alone. Although, I think the TT coupe looks awful.
As far as driving them, I've sampled a Z3 and an SLK, plus my Miata. I was surprised that I preferred the SLK320 to the Z3 3.0, by far, too. In fact, I'd put my Miata ahead of the Z3 as well.
The SLK320 has lots of wood and aluminum, plus a sweet little 6 speed. I was impressed, and usually that stuff doesn't do a thing for me.
-juice
-Colin
In fact, aren't all AMGs automatics now? I've even heard that future BMW Ms will have SMG from now on. Audi's RS6 is also an auto, what's going on?
Drive the 230 Kompressor and a 320 back-to-back, and you'll agree it's worth whatever cost to upgrade.
-juice
http://TheCarConnection.com/index.asp?article=5358&sid=175&n=156
Bob
It's auto only right? Is that the first Porsche ever to not offer a manual? The beginning of the end of the world, I tell you.
-juice
quote-- The Cayenne’s platform is shared with VW’s new SUV, the Touareg, but the two vehicles have little in common.
who are they foolin'?
although this was quite interesting:
quote-- “We will be racing on slicks (treadless racing tires) before we go racing on sand tires.”
surely not a tarmac racing SUV... he must mean plans to race in some class, probably a prototype class, with the new V8.
-Colin
That's my whole point!
-juice
-mike
More to the point - what series is Porsche gonna race this behemoth in?
-juice
It doesn't bother me that they've decided to build something you seem to consider sacrilegious. In fact I welcome to see what their take on this type of vehicle is. I hope they do well with it. And... I hope it might influence other brands into building better SUVs, or at least inject some new (untraditional) thinking as to what an SUV can be.
Bob
-mike
So why mess with a successful formula? Even if Cayenne sells out, you increase fixed costs in a big way. You have to prepare all of your dealers to sell a product they know nothing about.
Remember how Mercury dealers failed to sell Merkurs, even though the cars themselves were pretty good, and got good press?
Now Merkur dealers have to sell a Mercury. Well, a Ford truck, sort of.
It's just so "me too". Never mind BMW's 14 recalls for the X5. Never mind Porsche history. They'll be total poseurs, anyway. A trophy in the garage to brag about total HP.
Porsche should be small, exclusive. Let VW sell the truck, you can do that without selling your performance soul to the SUV-loving bean counters.
-juice
The SUV market, and truck market, have been for ages controlled by ultra-conservative thinkers. So I welcome anyone who can interject some fresh ideas, whether it comes from Porsche, or any other (non-traditional) SUV/truck maker.
I'm not at all locked into the image of what Porsche "should be," based on what they've produced in the past. If they want to build an SUV, I say go for it. If anything, it will start a discussion—which it's certainly done here (and elsewhere).
Bottom line for me is: whatever Porsche or VW come up with, some of those ideas will in way eventually trickle down into more mainstream SUVs and trucks—ultimately making them (hopefully) better vehicles.
For me it's all about an exchange of new ideas and new thinking for everyone involved, and not about Porsche per say. I'm really not interested as to whether Porsche should or should not build an SUV. Really, I'm not. It would mean nothing to me because I'll never be able to afford one anyhow. I'm interested in this Porsche solely to see what they come up with (we know that now), and it it works (we don't know that—yet).
I'd feel the same way if we were talking about Lotus, Ferrari, Subaru or John Deere getting into the SUV market.
Bob
Does it come with attachments to mow my lawn?
Jim
Jim
Ken
(off my soapbox)
Any advice on where to eat, things to do?
Ken
Bob
Ken
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/27/automobiles/27NAME.html
Teresa
who names cars but rarely uses those names
Bob
-mike
Ken
Ooo... can I come can I come can I come
-Dave
Bob
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020927/ap_wo_en_po/us_bank_slayings_7
Bob