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On the highway it made pretty much claimed MPG when setting the cruise at 70-80 MPH.
-Colin
Greg
North America should get it in a year or so.
http://www.vwvortex.com/
Bob
er, yes, I find that my mileage is about the same, with a similar split.. . *cough* heh.
Ya kow, the more I make the car fun for me, the less hospitable a place it becomes for passengers. Part of the problem of course is the Brullen; I am convinced I got shipped the "medium" instead of the quiet that I ordered. But the convergence of road damage from the 28" snow and my STi/H&R setup can be a punishing combination too. Find an unbroken country backroad though, and it's all worth it!
Ed
Bob
The beauty of it was all the ripping around we did, I still averaged 45mpg. This is the way, I say. Fortunately no tickets. We saw, uh, rapid speeds at times.
Hope others had beautiful weather too (70-75 both days here) and got a chance to get out and enjoy. I really needed this after a week and a half of illness plus a co-worker getting canned last Friday and me shouldering the whole load.
-Colin
Are we talking about the same vehicle? It said (or words to that effect), that the new Multivan is larger than the Eurovan, with up to 210 HP.
Bob
-juice
Cheers!
Paul
-juice
Sorry, I disagree. Vans are about being functional, not style. The Retro-bus is about style, not function.
Bob
If it is an F-850, it must be an older truck.
Bob
It's way too tall/narrow, out of proportion. The concept was far more squat, yet still roomy.
A couple of weird things - the driver side mirror is a different shape and size than the passenger one. Odd. Plus the passenger side sliding door has a window within a window.
I like boxy, but you can do boxy with style, plus decent proportions. That van looks like an Anorexic Seven Footer.
-juice
I've seen Mercedes cars over here with different size outside mirrors.
Bob
I like the Sharan that Loosh mentioned, far better packaging, though it is a lot smaller.
-juice
Bad timing with the premium fuel requirement, with the current already-high prices.
The front sort of looks like the Prius, doesn't it?
-juice
Cheers Pat.
Bob
As much as I dislike toyota styling, it does have some good stuff.
-mike
That's for the Chicago area, FWIW. YMMV. ;-)
-Brian
Cheers!
Paul
MPVs start at less than $20k, it's hard to justify spending twice that no matter how loaded you get.
I think Toyota built some gravy into that price so they can offer rebates down the road.
-juice
-Brian
The vehicle looks better in person than in photos. I like the profile and the rear. I hate the front.
I sat in the loaded model, and checked it out fairly closely. It had: power rear liftgate and side doors I believe. It also had DVD, and retractable sunshades for the rear passengers, much like those found on expensive BMWs. AWD Siennas cannot be had with the 8-passenger option! Why? Who knows...
Overall, a very nice minivan, but way too expensive, IMO. Also, Toyota continues to play the option game with Sienna, which I also hate. I really like the split-fold-away third seat. It really makes the Honda (non-split) third-row folding seat look pretty lame.
Bob
-Brian
Toyota is famous for their nickel-and-dime options strategy. A Highlander can in theory cost as little as $22k, but just try finding one that way (or even wanting a stripped FWD 4 banger).
-juice
Bob
Go figure.
-mike
Yeah right.
Bob
-mike
Guess what Mike, if that happened, there wouldn't be any SUVs around, except used ones for sale.
Bob
There will always be specialty applications like the SUVs of the 80s that will be in demand (ranchers, utilities, etc) so there will always be a market for em, just not a HUGE one like there is today.
Don't you think that the Sienna AWD is a far better choice for Soccer moms and dads driving around in their Exursions????
-mike
PS: I'll bet there is more interior space in the sienna too!
And they'll be twice as expensive as what's available today. All these soccer moms driving SUVs keep the price reasonable.
Besides, why do you care so much what a soccer mom drives?
Bob
Why do I care?
Cause they can't drive worth a darn, they pump up the price of SUVs cause of all the "luxury" features so normal people like me can't afford a FS Pickup or FS SUV w/o getting all the Bling Bling stuff.
Drive my insurance up cause they smack into poles in parking lots.
Make my theft insurance higher cause there is now a market for the spare parts.
-mike
Ed
What do you think?
TWRX
Any driver that can't drive worth a darn is dangerous in any vehicle, just compounded a few times over with the size and weight of an SUV.
In other countries, right-of-way is determined by the size of what you drive. I hope we don't get to that point. ;-)
AWD as an option is worth $1750 or so, so I fully expect to be able to get an AWD Sienna for about $32k, DVD and all for $35k. Not $37-40k.
Honda sort of under priced the Ody to keep demand high, at least that makes dealers happy. Siennas will have to be discounted to sell in volume. Projected sales are way higher than the previous generation.
-juice
-mike
-juice
sensei: I think size is determining right of way here already. I personally would like a bumper sticker that reads "sticker price does not determine right of way."
Ed
-Frank P.
Besides there's plenty of room to swerve on our roads.
Cheers Pat.
Mike, you never miss an opportunity to take pot shots at soccer moms, or anybody else, who, in your opinion, should be driving something other than an SUV. Maybe it's an image thing on your part...
<< "All these soccer moms driving SUVs keep the price reasonable." Uh Bob, I hate to disagree with you but if anything, the popularity of SUVs has driven their prices up. >>
My point is that is that because these vehicles sell in large volumes, the prices have been kept down. If SUVs sold in the volumes of say Land Rovers, even a Jeep Liberty would cost $50K. There are plenty of reasonably priced SUVs out there, if you look for them.
Bob