Toyota Sienna Future Models

warde

There is a fleet company in Oregon that will drop ship a Sienna to most places in the US, if they can find a dealer that will work with them. (All they do is hand you the keys). It is called Columbia Fleet. I think their web site is www.columbiafleet.com. They charge 2% over invoice and there usually is no charge for the drop shipment, if they can find a workable dealer in your area. Being in Chicago you have plenty of options of dealers. There was a post here in the last month talking about a person who ordered one from them and said it was great!

beckyok

I'm in St. Louis, after emailing many dealers the only one that came back with an offer was, MSRP 24,830, will sell for 23,850. I suggest you look up the closest dealer that is not in the greater Chicago area. Look for the most rural areas first. The regions are listed on the Toyota site, see if maybe the region to your west is more consumer friendly.

Peace, Becky

newcar35

I am actually out of Peoria area, was just gonna shop in Chicago. Peoria dealers are CLUELESS and apparently are each getting 1 (yes, one) sienna on the 14th. they say they can't get them from another dealer until the other dealer gets a car in, and then they have to trade something. So, I'm also looking at St. Louis area. Where did you get yours?

Thanks

lekn

The original fax quality was not too good and some of the small fonts are hard to read.

CE (7) C$30,000
CE (8) C$31,000
LE (7) C$34,750
LE (8) C$35,180 (??$35,780) Not sure if it is "7" or "1"
LE AWD C$39,160
XLE C$43,600
XLE AWD C$46,700
XLE Ltd AWD C$51,965

Price list I got did not have any options packages except color options and the Ltd options for XLE AWD.

beckyok

I am working with Srtaatmann Toyota in Washington MO. It is a fairly rural area. Illinios is in a different region than Mo and Iowa so you should have lots of dealers to choose from in the two regions.

Good Luck, Becky

andrewtran71

I agree with most of you about not wanting to pay MSRP. We shouldn't! If these dealers want to play this game of supply and demand with us, then let us all not buy any Siennas until Summer or later. See how they like all those Siennas collecting dust on their lots! Let Honda sell more Odysseys since it looks like they're less expensive--a loaded Odyssey with Leather and Navigation system and DVD entertainment system installed with destination charge is only $32,793. When I talked to the internet manager at a local Honda dealer, he said he can give me $1,000 off MSRP, so that brings the total price to $31, 793.
Toyota must be stupid to expect people to pay that high price already and pay MSRP without discounts.
But it all depends on all of us!
If we give in to their game of supply and demand, then they will win and we will pay MSRP.

olizer

If there's a demand; there are few Sienna's for sale and the price goes up. If there is no demand the sales lots are full and the prices go down.-Economics 101.

shabbycat

and looking into Columbia Fleet. It does take 90-110 days though. Warde, I forgot to ask, and they didn't mention, is there extra charge for the drop shipment to a local dealer? How much $$ do they (Columbia) want up front for the order?

Thanks!

tommy38

I am stunned and very disappointed with the XLE FWD pricing of $43600 Can. For almost 9K (before tax) from the LE FWD, you get VSC & Trac control, 17" wheel, leather (heated front) seats, power rear door, sun roof, side & curtain air bags, power rear door, wood trim, JBL stereo, sun shades, 3 zone auto climate control, and maybe few more. Are these worth 9K??? Absolutely NOT IMO.
I have been counting on the XLE FWD just because wanting the VSC & Trac control. But this ridiculous pricing will drive me to Honda for a much much better value. For 39.2K Can, you get a loaded Odyssey EX-L with rear DVD system, or 41K Can for a Pilot EX.

nofeer

With all the minivans coming out in 04, the price you pay depends on when you buy. buy now, and by being knowledgeable about sienna you are telling the salesperson" hey i'm willing to pay mucho to be first"
If you take a "i'm not that hot for the sienna now i'll wait till i have more info on the odyssey" they will change their toon. all this energy and excitement over a sienna tells them "cha-ching $$$$$
Toyota wants market share and if you guys wait a bit, especially in the summer prices will come down. remember toyota wants market share and there bead is squarly on honda. honda now are making deals...daha i wonder why? HOnda also wants market share they don't want to lose to toyota....they have had a market leader for a few years and why lose the momentum...I DON'T THINK SO.
Let the dealers make full $$$$$ on someone else....NOT ME. The other point, is what if after sensing the market with how much an xle compares to le for features (see above) they may change packages for this fall because they too are waiting for the new minivans to come out.....I wonder why.......

bargamon

If you call up begging for a van that they do not have yet, and think your getting a discount, Why?

If you need a van now and price is most important, then get a honda. NOt a bad choice.

The sienna does not exist yet. In 3 weeks we'll start to see them. If they are all sold then you'll pay. That or get them to order one and wait.

No dealer owes anybody any discount. It is true supply and demand will drive the price. Nothing more or less.

For years honda sold them at MSRP, and now honda is a god for discounting them?

warde

They do not change anything to drop ship as long as the dealer that they drop ship to wont charge anything. I don't know why they would charge anything, all they do is have a vehicle delivered on their lot and give you the keys... Some places are gready I suppose. I called and asked them about it and they said they have a number of dealers around the USA that they used before, just to call them and they would look into it.

cdnebraska1

I have followed this discussion page for months, have been anxiously awaiting the new Sienna. Thanks to everyone for all the info, pricing, specs, etc. Last week I did agree on a price with a local dealer on a new XLE Sienna. I ended up purchasing at about 4.5% below MSRP. They have located a van (or a yet to be built unit) with the options and color I preferred and expect to receive it by late March. Would I have paid MSRP? Yes! I was expecting to purchase the new 'redesigned' Sienna (or an Odessey) last fall but held out until now. I drive an older (Ford) car now and do not want to put a penny more into it (even though it needs it!) Could I have done better on price if I waited until summer or fall? Probably, but I want my new van now!! I'll sacrifice the better future deal for the joy of having my van within a month. And anyhow, who among us really, really NEEDS a 25-30k vehicle??
Good luck to all getting the Sienna they want on their terms!!

crv16

As nofeer stated, the early birds are going to pay dearly. Wait 4 or 5 months after intro in order to get decent prices.

When the new '03 Accord first came out, dealers weren't budging much at all off MSRP. Now, 5 months after introduction, my local dealer is offering up to $3,000 off MSRP.

I suspect the same thing will happen with the Sienna. Now that production of the Odyssey has increased substantially with their new factory, prices are coming down. Likewise, Toyota is planning on producing 50% more Siennas than they currently do, so it's only a matter of time before the "new model hysteria" wears off.

monterey6

According to a friendly dealer in Georgia, there are no (0) XLE Limited models being released on this initial allocation for the 5 state Southeast Toyota (SET) dealers.

shabbycat

You know, as much as I want my minivan NOW, waiting is probably best for me anyway as my lease is not up til October. BTW, did you find out how much $$ you need to put down when you place the Order w/Columbia?

Thanks!

monterey6

According to a friendly dealer in Georgia, there are no (0) XLE Limited models being released on this initial allocation for the 5 state Southeast Toyota (SET) dealers.

grimloc

Assume that after the initial craze of the Sienna's release, dealers are willing to negotiate price at some dollar X above invoice. what do you think (hope) you'll get a new van for? Is it absurd to expect that a 2% offering above invoice would ever be accepted?

I'm not skilled in purchasing negotiations....feel a little weak in the knees just thinking about it.

toocajun4u

That is an entirely reasonable offer, in my mind. As you said, you may have to wait until the frenzy dies down. I highly recommend using your dealership's fleet or internet department. They will sell for a fixed amount over invoice, depending on the popularity of (and demand for) the vehicle. I got my '02 XLE last June for $300 over invoice (less than 1%) thru the fleet dept. No negotiating.

grimloc

I'm not familiar with the option to purchase through a "fleet" department. Is this possible with ANY dealership?

Another question.....what does the salesperson make on commision? I'm sure it must differ between individual sales people?

andrewtran71

I assume you emailed the dealership but how did you know the address of your Toyota dealership's fleet department as oppose to the regular sales department?

harryfat

When I called Columbia fleet few days ago, I was told $500 would hold a XLE Sienna for me, due to arrive sometime in June/July time frame. I guess the delay may be that since they're not the official Toyota dealer, they will only get the vans after all the other dealers get their allocations the first 3 months.

Another issue you need to look into is that since all the paper work is done out of state, you'll need to take the new van to the local DMV to get the CA registration. That's also when you will pay your approx. 8% CA sales tax on the van (8.25% here in the SF bay area).

newcar35

Okay, I've been in contact with them, but they can't give me any pricing on the 2004. So, you people who have ordered the 2004, how are you arriving at a price with them? Have you signed a contract? Can you back out at any time? will you forfeit your deposit if you back out?

toocajun4u

Actually, in my case I got the Fleet mgr's name from a teller at my Credit Union. Had I not stumbled upon it that way, the "contact us" link on that dealership's website was tied to the Internet sales dept. BTW, at the three Toyota dealerships I worked with in the DFW area, all handled Internet sales through the Fleet dept.

If all else fails, just telephone your dealership at their main number, and request the Fleet dept or Fleet mgr.

amhjms

I believe I was the first person to order the '04 Sienna through Columbia Fleet and have met them face to face, including one of the owners. I did order it a few days before any of the prices were available on-line. Since the cost is a fixed percentage over invoice, absent invoice varying place to place (not my expectation) I don't see any risk. These guys know I'm looking at Edmunds all the time (they have been very appreciate of the many others who have called since I brought their name to this board) and I don't expect they have any intention to screw me to try to make a little more dough - they build their business through referrals, almost entirely, so they'be fools to do otherwise. Besides, after meeting the owners, I'm 99% sure they will over deliver vs. my high expectations, not under. Also, I understand that if I choose to not take delivery they will even refund my $500 deposit once they sell the car (orders are cancelled occasionally) - which naturally could take some time. I do understand you can't make any changes once you order, however, so be sure before you do. Best of luck to all. I can't remember if I signed anything, but, again, I'm not concerned based on their outstanding professionalism.

Adam

warde

After Adam emailed me with their information, I did some checking on them myself. There is no complaints with the Better Business Bureau and nothing negative listed with the state. If they were going to be shifty, I would think in the 10 years they have been listed on Better Business Bureau there would be something in the complaints. I have called and talked to them a few times in the last week and they have been nothing but professional.

Oh and Adam, my sister-n-law knew the two girls at Sprague that you knew. Yes small world and thanks for the information.

riskaker11

We should be seeing reviews next week. The Sienna was released to the press this past week for test.

Lets keep all informed if you come accross any.

hschultz

spoke with tim (i think). very professional. he's going to email me invoice pricing once it becomes available (expects 2 weeks or so).

since they have to special (i.e., factory) order it anyways, we can get EXACTLY what we're looking for, which is a major plus in my book, as i'm sure the wife will prolly want an xle with some weird assortment of options that nobody else in this country would ever dream to order (she doesn't want a sunroof or heated seats--both of which i will never, ever go without again on my vehicle, etc.).

2% over invoice is a great deal. i asked him if they had similar deals for mini's (my brother plans to buy one in the next month or so) or lexuses (my in-laws plan to buy one real soon), but alas, the only deal in fleet vehicles. too bad.

newcar35

I did get pricing from columbia today. Looks real good... Just FYI, to check out the colors, you can go to toyota's web site and see phantom grey, salsa red, desert sand mica, aspen green and stratosphere mica on the 2003 Camry page (go to exterior and then color selector). For silver shadow pearl, look on the 2003 Sienna page. For the blue mirage metallic, you can go to www.chicago-autoshow.com, and click on "new for 2003", then "production cars", then the Sienna. I haven't found pix yet of the artic frost pearl (the natural white I'm not even gonna bother looking for -- it kinda speaks for itself, doesn't it??)

riskaker11

http://autos.canada.com/ottawa/story.aspx?id=C2F39877-AB84-4FD0-8- AB1-48B3593DAE88

unc8185

This decision doesn't make any sense to me. Even if you restrict the argument to the Atlanta market, it seems to me that this market could support at least one XLE Limited!

etnies

newcar35, if you go to www.siennaclub.org you will see a link that says new pix from the chicago autoshow. These pix are of a XLE in Arctic Frost Pearl with Stone Leather.

Etnies

unc8185

This decision doesn't make any sense to me. Even if you restrict the argument to the Atlanta market, it seems to me that this market could support at least one XLE Limited!

grimloc

Anyone know about these? Will there be dealer holdbacks in place at time of the Sienna's release? Just looking for any edge before sitting down to the negotiation table.

Additionally, how do sales commisions figure into your plan of attack?

jbian

It is a minivan. Get it? The dealers should
beg you and me to buy their products regardless
types of goods. Save you money for better uses.

monterey6

Its not just Georgia...the entire SET dealer network (Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida)

siennaitaly

On Thursday evening, Feb. 20, we walked into a Toyota dealership (never been to this one before). Within a half hour we bought a 2004 Sienna LE 7 passenger for $26,098 ($500 below MSRP). $500 refundable deposit - mid March expected delivery date. Silver Shadow-FE-AM-DH-Z1-WH-V5. Very informed and honest sales person. Destination included.

jenr1

Has anyone found a site where you can get free car quotes for the 2004 Sienna? I have been searching but all I can find is for the 2003.

Congrats, Siennaitaly! What state are you in?

stickguy

from looking at the MSRP and invoice prices posted earlier, there isn't much mark up anyway (about $1,400 on a 26K LE sounds about right). So, there really isn't much of a difference between (gasp!) MSRP and a "great deal" at 2-3% over invoice. If you really need the car, still a good deal.

Honda traditionally worked the same way (a low spread from invoice -> MSRP, so not much room to negotiate. The opposite of the domestics, where they effectively mark it way up (MSRP), so they can offer a big discount.

beckyok

What are DH-Z1-WH & V5 and how did they affect the price?

Thanks, Becky

sbell4

I am a dealer in Alabama and I am looking at the allocation. The CE 7 psgr and the LE 7 psgr are the most popular but there are at least 5 of every model on the first spread.

I wouldn't get upset about discounts on the new Sienna. I am confident these vans will be sold at fair profits to the buyer and for the dealer. I have yet to hear of a dealer to turn down fair profit on a vehicle.

bargamon

What might you cosider a fair profit?

I would rather everyone walk away feeling good about a deal.

Whom ever: Tim at columbia was very nice and informative. We discussed money rates and Residual. Toyotas have a 49% rate after 36 months. Chrylsers only have a 39%. Volvos about 55%. This really helps with Leasing.

As much as we like the Pacifica, unless Chrysler subsidizes the lease, the numbers just don't work. Some interesting stuff on the internet these days. For $59 you can buy the same software as dealer.

jenr1

Ken posted in #1150
1150 of 1438 specific option codes by toyotaken Feb 12, 2003 (1:07 pm)
As for the interpretation of the specific option codes you listed, here goes.

FE - 50 State emissions
BW - LE package #7 : Trip computer/homelink, Power right hand sliding door, rear seat audio, wire harness and package, vehicle skid control, rear disc brakes, windshield wiper de-icer, daytime running lights, driver and front passenger side-bolster airbags, all-3 row side curtain airbags, P215 alloy wheels.
DH - Tow receiver hitch
Z1 - Preferred accessory package (don't hold me to this, I'm taking this from the '03 model description) Cargo net, rear bumper protector, first aid kit
WH - Wireless headphone
V5 - VIP RS3200 Plus security system

Hope this helps.

Ken

On the msrp we were quoted from a dealer it seem to make about a $1000 ex. Le with the BW pkg = 24260(base)+2895(BW)+510(dest)= 27,665 dealer had msrp for that as 28,683. He said he doesn't have a breakdown of the pkg price and the other addons separately, he has total options $3913. Hope this helps.

shabbycat

Jnr1, I'm looking for those too. I have a feeling they won't be up until the Toyota site has their "build your own" feature up to date. And some sites might need "promting" via e-mail that 2004 Sienna prices are needed. I've already e-mailed CarsDirect to let them know there is interest.

siennaitaly

Van 24,260
AM 810 (trip computer, home link, rear audio, power door)
FE 0
DH 415 (towing package)
V5 249 (security system)
WH 80 (wireless headphone)
Z1 274 (extra carpeting, floor mats, cargo net, first aid kit, something else I can't remember)
destination charge 510
-500 for being a nice guy. I think.

hope this helps

banddexpress

Does anyone have any idea if the ce model is going to have front and hear heat and air? We want a van that has pw,pl,cc, front and rear ac and front and rear heat and would like a cd player didn't know if the ce would be equipped like that or not. Would appreciate any feedback if anyone happens to know. Thanks
Darcy

newcar35

What are those? I assume they work with the rear audio system, but how? Are they an accessory or a factory add-on? Do you get one or two for that $80? TIA

shabbycat

Does anyone have any idea if the ce model is Re: CE's: going to have front and hear heat and air?

*Good questions. I'm researching that right now! Somewhere in the back of my head I'm thinking that *yes* the CE's do, but it might not have separate controls - meaning the front of the cabin and the rear would have one control.

We want a van that has pw,pl,cc,

*Yes, power windows are standard as well as power locks. However, right now I'm confused about cruise control. Up until today I thought that CC was available as an option on the CE, but something I read today is confusing me and I'm wondering if it's not available?

front and rear ac and front and rear heat?
*See above - I'm still trying to find that info too.

and would like a cd player didn't know if the ce would be equipped like that or not

*I believe a single CD player is standard on the CE.

*Hope this helps!

palmer

palmer

Any thoughts on how quiet the new 04 Sienna will be? Typically, Toyota has been known for good sound isolation in their vehicles. However, with the fold in the floor 3rd row seat, I was wondering if that would be an issue due to the fact that many people said that the current Honda Odyssey is noiser due to its 3rd row magic seat that folds into the floor. Currently, I think the Chrysler vans are probably the best in regards to the noise issue. I guess we will see how the reviewers rate the Sienna in a week or two.