Ford Escort ZX2

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  • edswordsedswords Member Posts: 47
    I just test drove a ZX2 SR and I was very impressed. I is a very sporty car. It's handling is excellent.

    It wasnt as quick as its 140+ hp would suggest but it did rev willingly, albeit not loudly.

    I also had a problem with the 5 speed shifer. It is supposed to be an improved close ratio trannny with sport shifting but I found the shift gates too close together (confused 3rd for 5th. It also required lots of extra effort to shift in and out of gear. I think more time behind the wheel would solve that problem.

    The best part is that with the SR package includes sticky Goodyear F1 205/15" tires, alloy wheels,Borla exhaust, sport suspension, and rear wheel disc brakes. There is also 1500 cash back so this whole deal can be had for less than 13,000 dollars which is amazing.

    I test drove a Celica GT this week and the ZX2 will follow it anywhere for about 6000 less. The Celica was much quieter and smoother but Its hard to justify the 6000 dollar premium. They are definately comparable.

    The ride was quite firm. Rough in fact at times. But that is the trade off with the sport suspension and excellent handling. The Borla exhaust is also loud and will probably become tiresome on the highway but this is the sportiest car around for 13,000 dolllars!

    I think if I had to buy the wheels, tires, exhust, suspension tuning, rear discs, and improved transmision and add them to a base ZX2 (or any car for that matter) it would cost over 3000 dollars.

    I would definately buy this car over a Celica GT, Cougar I4, Neon ES, Focus ZX3, Tiburon, and every other car under 15000 dollars.

    This is the best kept secret in sporty cars.
  • drm4869drm4869 Member Posts: 4
    I was fortunate to find a S/R two weeks ago. I live in Ohio and bought it from a ford dealer near Cleveland, about 3 hours away from where I live. I was about to order one until I heard the waiting period on a S/R package is about 6 or 7 months.

    I didn't want to wait that long so I searched on the internet for an S/R and found the one in Cleveland. The salesman told me he had ordered these two S/R's back in September '99 (one red, one black). They had just arrived that week and they sold the red one and I took the black one. He also said that was the only S/R's he was going to get this year.

    As far as the car goes, I LOVE IT! I think it looks pretty damn sharp! Even my mother-in-law loves it! The S/R is a good package for the money. It handles excellent, has good power, good stiff suspension and handles the curves great! The only problem is a black one is hard to keep clean! My wife laughs at me because I wash it so much!

    The salesman told me Ford is planning to phase out the Escorts this year and focus on the Focus in 2001. I don't understand why they would go to the Focus when the ZX2 is such a good looking car. Especially with the demand for the ZX2.

    I'd be interested in hearing from other ZX2 owners who live in Ohio.

  • hauschildhauschild Member Posts: 62

    So you enjoy the S/R? Cool. I looked at a black one again today. It's damn fine.

    My question is whether there is any improvement in the seats? I have a 98 ZX2 and make bi-monthly weekend jaunts to fish in Northern Wisconsin from Chicago. I find that the older I get, the more [non-permissible content removed] I lose, and the more the old derrier longs for some extra cushion and support.

    I was really considering the upcoming Ford Escape, but after noticing the S/R and hearing that it had upgraded seats, I would much rather put that 7000 towards the new boat I recently purchased.

    So, are the seats any different? Thanks.

  • photog0264photog0264 Member Posts: 314
    Still on vacation in South Carolina, but now things have taken a turn for the worse.

    I now have the answer to what to do about the burns in my ZX2s rear seat. Some moron stopped in a turn filter, waved me on, AND THEN RAMMED INTO ME. The Accident has destroyed my pasenger side door, the passenger side window, sprained the passenger side seat, and has taken out a fair bit of the body on both sides of the door. CHRIST I AM LIVED!!! To add insult to injury the cop charged me with "failure to yield to the right of way". Needless to say I WILL BE APPEARING IN COURT to fight it in July. I don't mind taking the heat for my folly, however I resent being held liable for someone else's utter and complete stupidity. Does anyone have any advise about getting lawyer to fight something like this??? I want this thing over turned and put the liabilty on the other morons shoulders where it belongs.

    I guess I won't be getting those add ons for quite a while now. I will post some pictures of the wreckage on my web sight when I get back in a couple days time. This vacation realy has turned into a disaster now!!!
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    photog0264: That really really sucks! It makes you wonder what the hell goes through some peoples minds!

    On another note, I ordered new 16" rims and rubber for my car. Finally I can ditch these gross swirl rims, use them just in the winter! I had already bought 15" rubber for these rims, but I was able to take them back barely used with practically no loss. I can't wait!
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Photog, sorry to hear about your misfortune. I think you are in a bad spot unless you have a witness who saw the moron wave you on. Your only other hope would be if his statement contains something that reveals his mistake - not likely. What a bummer.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    There should still be a 2001 ZX2, but I bet it won't be around after that. It is an old design on the way out. In Europe, there is a 2-door Focus model with a trunk, I wonder if it will be a future ZX2?
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    I have heard people call the ZX2 old before. Not sure I understand that. What exactly makes it old?
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    I don't understand. Whatever it is, its not ugly, but I don't really care. I bought it because it is a great car. I would much rather have bought a Civic or something more reliable and better built, but the top reason that I choose a car is how much I enjoy it, and how well it performs. Looks are secondary.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Trying to get an s/r is wearing me out. Dealers are generally unaware of them. Ford sometimes refuses to acknowledge they exist..7 month delays in ordering. Too silly!

    I decided today to go ahead upgrade my ZX2. Ordered the S/R struts. Since I already have the shifter and the springs, I figured struts would be the logical next step. probably take about a week to get them. Got rid of the swirly wheels last week. After struts, I may take the big jump and invest in rear disks...ouch! By the end of the year, I will have the only Tropic Green S/R.
  • floridianfloridian Member Posts: 219
    ralex2: I was told by a ZX2 fan that he "thinks" the rear disc set-up from a Contour or Mystique will "bolt right on", with a little fiddling I suppose. Those bits and pieces from the "bone yard" would probably be a whole lot cheaper than the new stuff from Ford Parts.

  • edswordsedswords Member Posts: 47
    After my test drive, I couldnt beleive how cool the ZX2 S/R package was. I have recently driven 2000 Neons, Celica GTs, Focus', and the ZX2 blew me away. I wasnt even in the market for a ZX2!

    The ZX2 S/R is not a refined car, but it is a blast to drive. It has a crisp exhaust note that begs for more revs and speed.

    Everything about the car is standard econobox but all the important stuff is uprated (gearbox, clutch, springs, struts, suspension bushings, exhaust, intake, computer chip, brakes, and 150mph spedometer)

    The September 1999 issue of MotorTrend indicates these upgrades result in the following imrpovements: 0-60 times of 7.6 seconds, 15.8 1/4 mile and .86 g's at the skidpad (vs 7.8, 16.1 and .78 for stock). It is much quicker 0-70 (9.8 vs 10.5 stock.

    The seats dont seem to much more than standard ZX2 seats with S/R embroidered on them.

    The car listed for 15,400 and I got it for 13,000 dollars (after negotiating and 1500 cash back). This is the sportiest new car you will ever buy for 13,000 dollars.

    I am in central Pennsylvania and this is one of 2 black ZX2 S/R's at the lot. I also so a yellow ZX2 at a different dealer.

    My build date was May 2000 which means these cars are just starting to get to the dealers.

    I am thrilled to get this car. I dont know how many are to be made, but its worth every penny. There is no reason why anybody should upgrade a base ZX2 when the S/R package is available for 1495 dollars.

    I had my dealer remove the tacky red ZX2 S/R stickers on my doors. The really looked bad.

    I will keep everyone post on how the car does over the next few months.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    I wasn't aware of any difference in the transmission between ZX2 and S/R. Different shifter, centerforce clutch, but isn't transmission the same?
  • photog0264photog0264 Member Posts: 314
    Well I just found out today from the insurance company that,like it or not I will most likely be held liable. Odds are good though the Judge will rule the accident "as no fault" which is some MINOR consolation. Obviously though I won't know until the court date in July for certain on this.

    Everyone I have spoken to agrees that though what the swine did to me was wrong. Beyond maybe a civil suite it doesn't appear I can do much to change the liabilty situation.

    This whole episode is realy freaking me out. At the end of it all between the lost wages, and my $250 deductible, it will end up costing me about $700 that I don't have. This is to say nothing of what my insurance company will do to my premiums next January.

    The estimate for the repairs to my beloved ZX2 is around $4000. According to the guy at Ford's Body Shop here in Myrtle Beach South Carolina; the imbecile could not have hit me in a worse spot.
    The impact point was just below the passenger side door handle. He thinks most of the passenger side body work will have to be replaced. Other bad news is that it will also take about 3 weeks to fix.

    Oh my decision not to buy the Cavalier was validated on Monday. The Hire car the insurance company gave me was a 1999 Chevy Cavalier sedan. What piece of @#$@# that is. Three hours of driving it and I had to return it. There is no way I was going to drive all the way back to Va. comute to and from work for three weeks and then drive south again in it to colect my ZX2. They gave me instead a 1999 Ford Escort Sedan. Granted it is NO WHERE NEAR my ZX2 in handling but at least the interior is slightly more familiar.

    IF any newbies are wondering if the ZX2 really is that much of a different car from the Escort Sedan let me assure you IT IS!!! They may share a similar interiors, and the name Escort but that is it! The steering, the suspension, and sheer power of the ZX2 is measurable superior in ALL AREAS!!! The EScort Sedan truly is an Econo box.

    DAMN IT ALL I WANT MY CAR BACK!!! This vacation will certainly go down in my history books as one of the ones I LEAST WANT TO REMEMBER.
  • edswordsedswords Member Posts: 47
    You are correct Relax2 the actual transmission is the same.
  • twig93twig93 Member Posts: 38 first accident with my red ZX2 was similar to yours. Let me explain. I was approaching a red light with a right and left lane. I needed to be in the left lane to turn so I started to enter it...stopped in the right lane was a whole line of cars. One of them was a huge Chevy Suburban ...what I didn't see was that she waved a man out of the Rite Aid parking lot to cross both lanes of traffic. Just as I came up to move past her, I hit him while he was pulling across. I hope this all makes sense. I was really shocked and upset...I had just washed and waxed it and mailed out my 6th payment. I was also supposed to be taking a trip to NYC the next day. Anyway, the cop said it was the guys fault even though the lady in the Suburban waved him out. The cop said to never take a wave from anyone because it will be your fault. Needless to say, there was $3000 in damage(all front end) and I drove an Escort for 2 weeks. Then 1 week and 4 days after I got it back, a teenager rearended me. Boy was I upset! That was only $1100 in damage, but the trunk wouldn't open and I had whiplash. I decided that I wanted a ZX2, but not that one anymore. I walked into the dealer and asked for any other color but red. That is how I ended up with a black one...really sharp when clean...if it ever is. I only lost about $400 by trading after 6 months. Anyway, I guess I was trying not to make you feel so bad, but I would not fight the charges...I believe you will be found at fault. My dad also had a similar accident in his LHS. He was waved to pull out and the guy pulled out right into him at the same time. My dad was found at fault.*******************************************
  • judasjudas Member Posts: 217
    Does the state you live in have a damage disclaimer law? Most states do, and most of them the $4000 damage is enough to put you over the top. Unfortunately that info can pretty heftily reduce the value of your car at trade in time.
  • 2000zx2guy2000zx2guy Member Posts: 15
    I am approaching 1000 miles on my 2 week old ZX2. Averaging about 30 miles per gallon! Love the car and the milage I am getting. After driving the 4X4
    for 6 years what I am saving in gas will make half my payment. My Tropic Green has the power and comfort packages and I like the swirlies! Can't imagine changing anything! I have noticed a lack of, or should say have not noticed any other ZX2s
    around. Lots of Sunfires and Cavaliers, but no ZX2s. I like it that way!
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Conrats on ZX2. You are first too like swirlies.
  • photog0264photog0264 Member Posts: 314
    Before departing sunny Myrtle Beach for the rat race of nothern Va I paid a visit to the now infamous intersection. I think I may have found the loop hole in my legal knot.

    The twit who hit me was in a left turn lane. But he hit me with HIS LEFT front end. The right front end never touched my car. As can be seen by the functional existance of my passenger side mirror (it was scuffed but it wasn't knocked of the car). And that beyond being sprained there is no impact damage forward of the door joint. To do this the twit would have to have been making right turn or lane change FROM A LEFT TURN LANE. When you turn a corner of the vehicle is always on the outside. IF you turn left the right hand corner is outward of you turn right (as I now believe he did) the left front corner is outward. I think I maybe on to something as there is also a solid white line on this turn lane. In the morning I will run it by my Insurance company and see.

    Still another argument in my favour is that there where no injuries, I didn't even have whiplash or any scratches from the glass. IF any sort of appreciable speed was involved there would have been something. Also I would have been knocked further than the 18 inch sideways skid marks indicate I was pushed.

    Curious my insurance company thinks it's a good idea that I fight the case... They have also echoed your words about accepting go ahead waves from strangers. Don't accept them Unless you 100% sure you can see ALL AROUND YOU. EVEN THEN if the twit who waves you on changes his mind, you can and probably WILL BE screwed.
  • mich9139mich9139 Member Posts: 24
    looking at new cars, and haven't found all too much on this one. anyone have any info about/links to specs/pics? any help appreciated!
  • edswordsedswords Member Posts: 47
    I found a lot of information about the ZX2 and S/r package at the following site
  • moulddmouldd Member Posts: 5
    I live in Ontario, Canada. Just priced out the S/R on the web site. With all the options including CD changer and Sunroof it comes to $23241 CAN (including freight). A Civic SiR 160hp lists for $23400 + 850 freight, but the Civic includes ABS, and cruise! ABS and cruise doesn't seem to be available on the S/R. You can also get a Acura Integra SE 140hp up here (no sunroof,no ABS, 14" alloys, no cruise or power locks) for $22000 + 850 freight. The ZX2 S/R seems expensive when you compare it to the Honda products, which have better warranties, drive as well or better than the ZX2, and will have a great resale value. They are also both a little faster than the S/R. You can also get a smoking deal on the Acura as it is nearing the end of production - I wonder if the dealers will give a good price on the S/R. Haven't seen one yet here.
    I have to admit though, the ZX2 does look pretty good, and you won't see others like it on the road like you would in the Honda/Acura. The only financial advantage the S/R might have is a better finance rate from Ford near the end of the 2000 model cycle.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    I think you underestimate the S/Rs performance. Drive one.
  • miagarfuncklemiagarfunckle Member Posts: 51
    Just wanted to know if anyone out there knows of an easy way to remove tree sap without screwing up the paint on the zx2. I love the car but tree sap is a [non-permissible content removed] to get off. Any advice would be great.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaMember Posts: 64,482
    Try ice water.

    If that fails, try some WD40 but wipe it off might dull the clearcoat a little but some wax can fix that.
  • drm4869drm4869 Member Posts: 4
    I live about 20 miles away from the honda plant here in ohio,and i am sick & tired seeing nothing but those no-styling econoboxes plaguing the highways.alot of people around here work there and they feel they just have to own one.they don`t impress me.around here hondas are like [non-permissible content removed] every body`s got my own opinion i think my s/r looks much better than a the way i had to blow one off today coming home from work.
  • photog0264photog0264 Member Posts: 314
    Well at the moment I am in a waiting game with the insurance company while they complete the investigation. They say it may ultimately hang on the court case.

    The good news is that Beach Ford has completed the prelimanaries for the repairs. They have also ordered all the parts for my car. So in theory in about 2 1/2 weeks I should get my car back.

    Point of interest: the Escort Sedan I am driving has Anti Lock Brakes and I didn't even know. I suppose in Snow or in a panic stop they might be usefull, but NOT for general driving. They really are different cars the Escort and the ZX2, and if you drive them both for any length of time; you can truly appreciate what the ZX2 has.

    Damn it I want my car BACK!!!
  • photog0264photog0264 Member Posts: 314
    Speaking for myself I rather like the looks of the Honda Accord. However everywhere you look you see them, the same can be said for the Acura Integra. Yes I used own one, and I do miss it. However the market right now is saturated with them, and they have become somewhat boring.

    I suppose this is why if I why if I was in the market for a Honda I would go for the Del Sol; it's different. The Interior on most (NOT ALL) of the Hondas is better and they are in many respects better built. However everywhere you look there is a Honda, Cavalier, Neon, Escort Sedan, Focus or... I don't like to standout too far from the crowd, BUT I DO like to be noticed within the crowd. This to me is the ZX2 when compared to these other more common cars..

    The ZX2 looks classy without being snobish, it certainly is sporty to look at, comfort wise it has a few bugs, but nothing too serious, it is priced very competively, and at every traffic light there isn't 16 of them waiting for the green light. Yes, other cars may have slight advantages in performance or luxury. BUT NONE can bring all the different aspects into the same nice even balance that the ZX2 has.

    Most importantly though it can quite easily hold it's own against all of it's contempories without being shamed. IT all comes back to the balance, something few other cars can brag about.

    I doubt in a couple years we will see much further development of the ZX2. Which is a real shame, because Ford does have a terrific base in the ZX2. Basically they finally got the Escort right, and have produced a terrific little sports car that cries out for more. IF memory recalls they did the same with the Probe.

    Now then if only I could have mine back...
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    "Finally got the escort right"

    I don't know about that. I think they had it right with my '94 GT. Judging by feel I would have to say it handled and felt at least as good as the ZX2, and a bit more solid. Overall I would say my enjoyment level was a little higher in the other one, except for how visually dull it was. Does anyone have any specs on it?
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    Oh yeah, I also liket the old 1.8l beter in the GT, except for some reliability issues.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Just my opinion, but I think the ZX2 is pretty cheesey. The S/R is the car and the 94 GT can't compare with it at all.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    drm4869, does your S/R have the Roush intake or is it a Ford copy of the Roush piece. Does the B&M shifter feel unusually stiff to you or is it pretty smooth? I put the S/R shifter in my ZX2 and as much as I like the shorter throw, seems like it takes a little too much muscle to get into 3rd and 5th.
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    Define Cheesy. It may be cheesy, but its a cheesy car that outperforms most of its competitors.
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    Now that I've replaced the rims and rubber, the only beef I have with this car is the lousy 106mph speed limiter. I may not go that fast regularly, but when I do it irritates me when the car just stops accellerating at that relatively modest speed.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Well, the Z sits up so high on its chassis that it detracts from the cars appearance. Springs are too soft. Shiffter throw is too long and shifter is too far forward. The seating position is truck-like. Brakes are not crisp. Steering ratio is too slow.

    The S/R addresses most of my complaints. Would love to get one.

    Little by little I am hanging S/R goodies on my Z and I am getting very fond of it.

    The Z is one of the most underrated cars on the market today - with just a few tweaks, it is a very respectable sportscar (don't tell shifty I called it a sportscar).
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    Heh, shifty's like God here, his eyes are everywhere ;-)

    It needs tweaks, thats for sure. But no more then any other car in this class. Go drive a Cavalier and you'll feel better about the Z!

    BTW, what rims and rubber do you have on her? And a while ago you said something about making a mistake with the eboch springs? what was that about, cause I'm considering lowering.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Cavalier isn't worth a tweak. Same for Sunbird or whateve they call it these days. Cheap tweaks on Z give big results.

    I put a set of 7" rims on but still have the factory rubber with about 17,000 miles on it. Figure those tires will go another 3,000 before they're shot. Oddly enough, I like the RSAs. They don't stick very well, but they are unusually predictable. They let you know when they have reached their limit.

    My tire budget only has about 400 bucks in it, and I want somethin that will last a couple or years.

    Eibachs???? Best mod you can do on the Z! For one thing the car takes up less sky now and looks much sharper. They are only about 8% stiffer, so you can actually get by with your original struts. You will notice a little bounciness though from lack of rebound dampening. Seems to me that the combination of the 8% spring rate increase and dropping the CG down 1.5 inches does wonders for the car. With good rubber, it will be as sticky as the Miata. Not as well mannered, but as capable. Does that make sense?

    Do the Eibachs first, then the struts, then the rubber, then the shifter, and finally the motor (chip, intake, etc). Screw the exhaust - its fine as is. End result - excellent Honda Eating GT that many would consider a FWD sportscar. I'd really like to go to the rear disks as well, but at some point you have to wonder if you are putting a silver saddle on a mule.
  • dunn3dunn3 Member Posts: 29
    and I don't see how you could have beaten a Civic unless it was a DX. My ZX2 is ok, but I know that the Honda is a better made automobile
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    I agree the Honda is "better made" but the Z is geared low, light,and has an unusual engine. Fords 2 liter 16 valve Zetec not only produces 130 or 140 pounds of torque at about 4200 rpm, but 80% of that torque is available all across the rpm band. You don't have to be doing 5,000 rpm to get strong pull. I'm amazed at how many V6s there are out there that can't keep up with the little Z. Of course they are pulling heavier cars with automatic gearboxes, but nonetheless, in real world driving situations the Z is very respectable performer.
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    dunn3: I agree with you, Civics are much better made. But the ZX2 performs better then any civic except the 160 hp SI (SI R in canada) which a couple grande more, and the ZX2 can be modified to match the SI for that money. Stock, it accelerates, brakes, and steers better then any other stock civic. replace the tires and it does almost everything better. Civics have a smoother, quieter engine, and is more refined overall though.

    Ralex: I've replaced the factory rims with 16"x7" and the rubber with 205/45 HR's. The only other mod I want to do is lower it and I'm done. That will cover all the cars problems except top speed without having to sink too much money into it (I've checked, I'll be able to transfer the rims onto the miata when I get it in two years) I've never had a problem with the shifter other then the long throw.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    The 16s probably look pretty good. Initially I wanted to go that route, but decided to get a 15 in wheel so I could use up my stock tires, then go to a 205x55-15 tire. I though the 45 series tire would liven up the steering. Did you notice a difference in steering response?

    Seems like I only paid about 229 for the Eibachs. Well worth it - you will definitely like them.
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Member Posts: 376
    Roadgrip is the most noticable difference, being several ratings higher then the stock, and I find the reduced sidewalls seem to have increased stability around corners. I find the wider tires make the steering seem a little tighter and more accurate, which I like.

    You paid $229 total for the springs? Did you install them yourself. I'll have to pay someont to do it.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Actually its the reduction in sidewall flex that makes the steering seem tigher.

    Turns out the Eibachs were $219 + shipping. Here is the link:

    Nice guys!

    A friend of mine owns a good garage and he gives me good deals from time to time. He has a good spring compressor, so one Saturday I gave him a hand and he changed the springs for me for nothing. Next week I will get the struts done the same way. Should have done them at the same time! I don't recommend doing the springs yourself - can be dangerous without right equipment, but there are a lot of people who "do it in the driveway."
  • drm4869drm4869 Member Posts: 4
    ralex2,my shifter seems a little tight going into second and third gears ,but i think that`s because its so will probably loosen up in time,overall i like that short throw,sweet.when i blew that honda off it wasn`t from a start it was on a twisty road which i love to open it up.the driver either couldn`t drive or the civic just didn`t handle good.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    Interesting. I wish I knew more about the linkage on transaxles. The Tiburon has a very sweet shifter for FWD, the Neon R/T was a joke, the ZX2 is ok but long and the B&M mod is short but stiff. Looks like there would be an asjustment that could be improved. Mine was super stiff when I installed it, but freed up with time. Still stiffer than the Tiburon though. Oh well, part of the charm of the car is it's peculiarities.
  • photog0264photog0264 Member Posts: 314
    I agree fully with you the Hondas are much better made. They run smoother and are a credit to the Japanese who designed them. However performance wise the ZX2 can hold it's own against most of them. And it not a dime a dozen on the road. As intrigued as I am by all the mods being discussed here; for my part I will have to hold off on any upgrades until I have paid off and financialy recovered from my accident.
  • twig93twig93 Member Posts: 38
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    MAZDA - Most Always Zipping Dangerously Along

    OLDSMOBILE - Old Ladies Driving Slowly Make Others Behind
    Infuriatingly Late Everywhere
    Overpriced, Leisurely Driven Sedan Made Of Buick's Irregular
    Leftover Equipment

    PINTO - put in new transmission often

    PONTIAC - poor old Neanderthal thinks its a Cadillac

    SAAB - Send Another Automobile Back
    Swedish Automobiles Always Breakdown.
    Sorry Arsed Auto Builders

    TOYOTA - Too Often Yankees Overprice This Auto

    VOLVO - Very Odd Looking Vehicular Object Vehicles Of Low
    Velocity Owners

    VW - Virtually Worthless
  • edswordsedswords Member Posts: 47
    I dont think there is any comparison.

    The ZX2 comes standard with 130 hp engine which probably beats all but the most powerfull Civic. What is up with all of thos Civic models anyway? (DX, EX, HX, CX, they seem to be endless and the base engines are useless).

    I dont think comparing at 14,500 ZX3 S/R to a 17,500 Civic SI is an unfair comparison. I am an S/R owner and I was actually able to purchase my $15,400 S/R for $13,000 after dealer discount and and 1500 cash back. The SI is more like $18,000 with delivery. Just try negotiating with any Honday dealer to buy an SI at invoice. They will politely show you the door.

    With out considering price, the edge goes to Honda for their silky smooth refinement, but for the money (which is the most important factor for all of us in the real world) the S/R is the better buy.

    I think the only competion to the S/R is the Hundai Tiburon. The Tiburon is supposed be a very sporty car but I cant get past its appearance.
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