Subaru Crew Problems & Solutions

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  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Even my Outback never did that. I think it will only do so if it's really hot. In fact, I think I've only heard the fan come on once during driving (well, actually *parking* at the Brewer game).

    As long as the temp is kept where it's supposed to be by normal air movement, the fan shouldn't need to come on.

    -Brian
  • j955j955 Member Posts: 2
    Our nearly new Forester got hit with some moderate hail (pea or marble size). Looks like the steel roof is OK but the hood has one noticeable ding and about 5 more that can only be seen if I look hard in the right light conditions.

    Have not filed a claim with the insurance company yet. Not sure if it's worth driving up premiums since I have a $250 deductible.

    My old Ford Crown Vic also has an aluminum hood and didn't appear to ding in the same storm.

    Anyone else have experience fixing hail damage to the new Forester hood? I think they changed to aluminum with the new body style. If the metal is ultra thin and prone to dents maybe it's not worth filing an insurance claim now just to get a new set of dents in a few months.

    Sounds like dry ice works on steel but not aluminum, although I haven't tried it myself.

    The rest of the car has performed well so far.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    Try one of those Dent Doctors or similar places - they should be able to get the small dings out without a problem for $150 or less.
  • alyosha73alyosha73 Member Posts: 35
    What do you guys do for stone chips? naval jely and touch up paint? Do those stoneguard kits work?
  • snarkssnarks Member Posts: 207
    I just purchased a 2004 WRX wagon. And shortly thereafter I noticed a slight to moderate vibartion at 65-75 mph at 273 miles (not really in steering wheel though). The water inside water bottle bounces around a bit. The dealer has investigated by rebalancing tires, it still shook, they put another WRX's wheels it still shook. Now they have ordered new axles to attempt to repair. Anyone else experience such a thing?
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    I use a tiny screw driver to chip any "lifted" paint away and scrape clean and smooth down to the sheet metal. I file with gritty sandpaper if I need to smooth it more then I put touch up paint on. If there's no lifted paint and I noticed the ding immediately and do not suspect rust or moisture got in then I just use the touch up. I do a very chicken-pox like job on the car personally - it looks a bit bumpy usually but keeps the rust away. When I have a larger area and want it to look better, I do more sanding and then break out the polishing compound after the touch up paint dries.

    On my new Subie I decided to forgo the touch up paint in lieu of a plastic hood protector. Well worth it.

    Elissa
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    Has anyone replaced their cooling fan motor that I can get some advice from? See post 3640.
    Elissa
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    I can't help, but I'm VERY impressed by your dealer!

    Jim
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    Elissa,

    We have a 2001 Forester and a 2003 Outback, each with the 2.5 and 5 speed manual. The cooling fans do not run on either one when the ignition is switched off, even if they had been running as they were switched off. I hope this helps.

    Len
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    I do believe that the cooling fan can cycle after engine is turned off, but only if the engine is really hot... at least my '98 OB and '99 OBS. Haven't gotten my '03 WRX to do it though.

    -Dave
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Sorry, Elissa, just saw your posts...

    In most cases, the parts come with the appropriate connectors on the ends. Do you have bare wires, or gold plated needles already crimped onto the wires?

    If you have the 'needles' attached, you will have to remove the old ones from the Molex (or whatever brand of connector they used), and replace them with the new ones. If you examine the new ones, you will probably see little 'one way' tabs that lock them into the plastic shell when inserted. You will need to depress these in order to slip the old ones out. You can buy the tool, perhaps bring the assembly to a parts store that can do it for you, or search for some thin walled tubing to slip over the pin to depress the tabs. Once out, push the new ones into place (insure the correct orientation - pos & ground).

    The other alternative would be to simply cut the existing fan wire a few inches above the connector and use Scotch or other crimp connectors to attach the stubs from the new fan to the old connector.

    Hope that helps,

    Steve
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    your dealer rocks
  • subiescoosubiescoo Member Posts: 1
    Ok, I need some help please!! I have a 2000 Subaru Outback Legacy wagon that has a clogged drain. I know the drains are somewhere within the dual moonroofs area, but don't know how many there are (someone said 4..), and am having trouble figuring out where the drains go to exactly. It doesn't show in my manual, and the dealership is quoting $300 to take the headliner out and check it, etc....I am hoping the we can handle this without a repair shop, but it's looking bleak. Someone has mentioned blowing out the line to clear it and that one of the drains goes down behind a back wheel, but my son can't see it under the car...I took it to a shop (non-dealership) and he could not see it either. I've also been told you might dislodge the line by trying to clear it this way. By now, you may be able to tell I'm a woman and have no idea about this type of thing, but if anyone has had this problem, I would sure appreciate any advice you can give. Thanks alot, Subiescoo
  • troop2shostroop2shos Member Posts: 235
    My experience with other vehicles is that there are generally 1 in each corner - haven't needed to check for them on my XT. I used a long stiff small dia. wire as a snake to fish for the holes towards the rear with the moonroof fully open.
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    Steve,
    Thanks so much for the info. I had an aftermarket motor with bare wire ends. I had to splice them to the wires coming out of the connector. :-( Took a little bit to figure out which was positive - the blue wire or the black and yellow one! Yikes! Had to get a 12v tester and turns out the black with yellow stripe was power afterall! Anyway, spliced, covered, installed, working! What fun! Thanks! -elissa
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    Any chance of comparing the "good" side with the clogged side to locate the drain holes under the car?

    Jim
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Good job!
    Please take this as a strong positive, and not a negative: I am impressed... Even in my lab environment - filled with male and female engineers and technicians - not many of the women will even pop the hoods on a car, or consider fixing/installing equipment at work. I am trying to teach my daughter about things mechanical, and hope that she will be independent and capable.

    Steve
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I'm sending it all in one shot and I'd rather it went to a good home than throw it away. No charge, not even shipping.

    I have the following that were purchased a long time ago for my '99 Impreza 2.5RS:

    - thermostat
    - upper radiator hose
    - lower radiator hose
    - cam seals
    - a few plastic trim fasteners (handy if you've lost a few installing mudflaps, why I bought them)

    hopefully you would never need the cam seals but they're included. anyone with over 50k miles will need the radiator hoses and t-stat eventually.

    even though it's free, please only take this stuff if you have a 2.5L SOHC and you do your own work. email me at the address listed in my profile.

    oh, I also have a stock 2.5RS shift lever that I could throw in. yes, Ken, I found it again. LOL. it's shorter than a stock Legacy/Outback/Forester shifter.

    ~Colin
  • crashton6crashton6 Member Posts: 245
    Sorry, but the parts are gone. Thanks to Colin I have some new parts to keep my old Forester running. Man this is the first time I've won anything. Better go out & buy a lottery ticket while my luck is so good.

    Chuck
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    You actually found that shift lever!? LOL!

    Ken
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    I also tried to instill in my daughter how to handle mechanical "things" on the cars. She learned on a 5-speed, jack up the car and change tires, how to check the oil, how to do handbrake turns in the winter, etc.

    She rides her own motor cycle, has worked at a motor cycle place as an occasional mechanic/parts person. Currently drives a 1970's Comet (I think that is the name).

    She also does her own house repairs and builds fences, etc..

    Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

    MNSteve
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    please tell an uninitiated California driver what a "hand brake turn in the winter" is. I do "foot brake turns" in my tractor but have never heard of a handbrake turn.

    John
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    Steve and MNSteve,

    Thanks for the compliments - I am also pretty proud of the handy-work I do! I don't know how I got so interested in cars but I'm glad for it. I can remember my step father talking me through checking the battery, tires, oil, etc but that's as far as he got, I taught myself the rest. Hopefully your daughters will be equally intrigued. :-)

    By the way, once I got the motor installed, I realized why the previous one blew - the switch or relay is stuck in the closed position apparently and the motor runs continuously when the key is in the ignition. I tried to change the switch but the old one was stuck on too good. :-( So now I have to pay someone to change it for me - very frustrating when the skills for the job are well within my reach but the tricks/muscles for doing it are not. Oh well. At least I know how to do it.

    Elissa
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    "hand brake turn in the winter"

    Under slippery conditions, it would be a good way to immediately rotate the back end around.

    -Frank
  • ozman62ozman62 Member Posts: 229
    the emergency brake activates the rear axle. My '84 GL had front emergency brakes, so 'handbrake turns' in the winter were in reverse only. Similar to a 'Rockford'. Hee hee.
    Owen
  • pillowsplat1pillowsplat1 Member Posts: 2
    There are two drains and they go down the rear pillars via a plastic tube on each side. they start at the rear most part of the sunroof tracks. Mine were plugged up with grease from the tracks. When it rained it would leak and come out near the child safety seat shoulder strap origination point. I removed the pillar inside covers. then the moulding below that is about 2' above the rear floor. Then remove the moulding where the rear interior light is mounted. Go slow put some tape on your screw drivers or putty knife and keep your hands clean. Once you get that stuff off you can pry down the head liner and see what is going on. pour some H2O in the tracks and watch what is happening. The end cap on the sunroof track seemed to be leaking I put some caulk in their. That solved the problem for me. I spent a good four hours on it and was ready to quit. If you don't have a stick to it attitude don't mess with this project. It is not technical but it is like a puzzle.
    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If you can spare one of those fasteners, I could use one for my passenger side rear mud flap.

    -juice
  • alyosha73alyosha73 Member Posts: 35
    If you were to search on the internet, you would find that black - is always ground, yellow/red - power (yellow 12V, red 7V or 12V) and blue on the fan is control (information about RPM's). It is the same for most electrical circuits.
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    John,

    On low traction conditions (great on snow...), a turn of the wheel and a sharp pull up on the handbrake (assuming it locks only the rear wheels) will induce incredible oversteer. The car will just about rotate on axis. I used to have to deal with a particularly dangerous spot some days at my old home. Down hill with a sharp turn at the bottom. The front end would tend to plow (understeer), and threaten to put me into the rail. Modulating the handbrake would make the car track exactly where I wanted it to go!

    The down side is that it is relegated to emergency use only on an AWD car. Locking only one axle puts terrible wear on the center diff as it fights back.

    Steve
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Minor note of caution - that color coding only applies to DC circuits. On AC (house wiring), black is HOT (as is red or blue on multi phase wiring), white is Neutral, green is Ground. I once saw someone try and electrocute themselves thinking that what they knew about cars applied to their home.....

    Steve
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    I noticed gear oil smell in my 03 wrx w/ 02k coming thru the vents this morning. Stopped at a light I could smell gear oil. No smell while moving and a slight smell with hood open. I have not added gear oil. The level is halfway between top and bottom and I see no leaks. Car drives like it always has. What do I check next?

    Thanks,
    Don
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I get the "hand brake turn in the winter" operation. Betcha this plays heck with the VTD and traction control systems too.

    Now that I think about it, I used to do the same thing on a dirt bike when I wanted to point in a different direction in a nano second time frame.

    John
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    A handbrake turn (my term) is where you want to make a sudden, slow speed (<15mph or so) in one direction. If you want to go to the right, turn the steering wheel to the right and "pop" the hand brake on, then off. This was mainly done on front drivers. Only tried it once on the Subie. If you look closely at the rear wheels in some of the care comercials you will notice that the rear wheels momentarily stop for a fraction of a second. That brings the tail end around a wee bit faster. The longer you hold it, the further the rear end will "go out."

    Was that a good enough explanation?

    MNSteve
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    You can also do a hand brake turn in warmer weather on a gravel/dirt road. Ya gotta remember to have the clutch pedal depressed to have the engine not engaged with the rest of the vehicle. Otherwise you could kill the engine. I'm not sure how this works with automatics. But I'm sure someone on this forum has tried it with an automatic.

    MNSteve
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    Yup, that's why I only tried it once on my OBW. The Subie didn't like it at all. It also didn't like "dumping" the clutch for a faster get-away. But then, this is my first AWD car and I LOVE my Subie.

    MNSteve
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    if you kill the engine and roll backwards with the clutch engaged, that would reverse spin the engine. Sounds like too many hand/foot functions can go wrong in the process.

    John
  • troop2shostroop2shos Member Posts: 235
    Clutch is in when you pull a handbrake but the trick is being in the right gear to maximize exit speed after you control the rotation.
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    I also had an '84 GL! Loved it! It had the radio ripped out by my parents who gave it to me, the horn had broken and been replaced by a goofy looking "horn button", the speedometer stopped working so I had to guess on the speeds I was going, presumably the odometer wasn't clocking right either, it needed a new clutch, new water pump... but the engine was still gunning hard at almost 200K when I traded it in for a couple hundred dollars! Loved that car! -elissa
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    Thanks for the info but I already knew that black is always ground. And red is always power. But I had a black wire with a single yellow stripe and a blue wire. So it wasn't cut and dry to me. I called three people in the auto industry - parts guy and two honda dealer service techs... they all had a different answers for me
    1) I don't know you'll have to test it
    2) blue is ground
    3) blue is power

    What's a girl to do? So I bought a 12v test light. Blue was ground and black with yellow was power in this case.

    Elissa
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    Hi Alyosha! True - there is usually a difference in price. I couldn't tell if you knew this by your post, but just in case - you are not required to have any services done at a dealer. But, it is a good idea for a few reasons. At the fast lube places, they are usually paying folks with absolutely no knowledge of the technical aspects of your car. Therefore, if something is starting to go awry, your dealer can spot it with their trained technicians. These technicians do have higher pay rates than those at a fast lube place.

    Also, it is a good idea to have some type of servicing history with a dealer. If you ever have a problem once it is out of warranty, if you have a relationship with a dealer, they will be more likely to go to bat for you. In fact, I've seen quite a few dealers eat the cost of repairs out of warranty for good servicing customers.

    Just some thoughts to consider!

    Patti (another chick)
  • alyosha73alyosha73 Member Posts: 35
    Thanks for offering your prospective, it is appreciated. I am still impressed by what dealers are willing to do, after You promise to check out on the progress of repair :)
    In my particular case, I was not talking even about Subaru dealer ( I didnt like shopping experience, untill I got to fitzmall.com folks), but dealer shops in general- since they are making most of money in service and not in sales, it must be not a very good deal to consumers. I still prefer to be told about problems by folks, who cant benefit from them. Like I know that fast service places have no incentive to rip my CV boots, or overtighten my lug nuts, or poke my radiator :)
    To say the truth, I dont like living my car for service and letting it go out of my sight. I once went to pick up my Ford and listened for 5 minutes how the service person in the back was killing my 6-speed Getrag clutch, trying to move the car to bring it around, I can only guess, how much abuse it got over the term of repair from the "highly paid professionals", who didnt fix the problem anyway for another 3 visits. They managed to forget to put back numerous plastic fasteners, tighten the radiator/condenser assembly and other annoying things. They also regularly scratch the car during their complementary wash. I hope Subaru dealers are better :)
    By the way, the dealer next to my house is Isuzu mostly, and has added Subaru cars about a year ago. What kind of training they need to pass to be certified by SOA? They didnt really know much about the car during test drive, for example.
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Don't get your hopes up re: dealer being better than an independent :<(.

    My tally of dealer inflicted damage or sloppy maintenenace with 3 diferent Subies in 2 years (03 Forester XS, 03 OBW, and 04 Forester XT), tallys the following:

    1) They did a great job installing the rear window deflectors on all 3 cars. It took me the better part of a day overall to buff out the scratches they put in from leaning against the sides when they did it. Thankfully they didn't go beyond the clear coat.

    2) They mis-positioned the lift on the side rails of the 03 Forester and wiped out the rocker panel molding. The dealer replaced w/o arguement.

    3) They ran one of the "arms" of the lift into the door. Had to have that commercially buffed - the dealer paid for it

    4) Consistently overtorque the lugs - I had the brakes inspected and fluid flushed in the OBW and the XT. After getting both of them home I had to jump up and down on the lug wrenchs to free the lugs so that I could re-torque them before the rotors warped. Or before my wife couldn't get the tire off in an emergency.

    5) Speaking of the brake fluid flush, they overfilled the reservoir on both cars, a little on the XT, a lot on the OBW.

    6) While straighening up the turbo gauge they mis-installed at an angle in the XT, they shorted out the instrument panel lights. Of copurse I didn't know that until the next time I was driving at night.

    7) Oil fills - I let them do one on each 03 and one on the 04. They all got 5 qts. Fine for the XT, bonus quart on the two 03's. I do my own now. Thankfully they're very easy on the Subie's

    8) Noise and rattles - I gave up and now fix my own. Keeps the collateral damage down as well.

    9) I cleaned off the dirty grease of the sunroof rails in the XT and had the dealer apply fresh grease. I almost have all of the stain out of the headliner.

    BTW - for those that might suggest I change dealers, of the 3 within this area, these guys are the best. :<( waaaaahhhhhhh.......

    Any product is only as good as its dealer network. Ford, Chevy, Honda, etc. I would rather have an inferior car with a great dealer than a great car that gets hammered every time it goes in the shop. Granted the dealer fixed most of the damage, but it was still additional time in the shop.

    As Subaru moves its price point up, they might want to think about the level of care that people who spend over 30k on a car expect. It's not the same level that a 13000 Hyundai owner would expect. BTW - I'm not saying the previous statement is fair, everyone should be treated the same, but that's not how it works out IMO.

    I still remember the day my independent mechanic retired, one of the saddest of my life.

    This may be a rant, but its a factual rant.

    Larry
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    You had asked about someone's experience with StoneGuard a few pages ago...I have a full StoneGuard kit on the front of my WRX and, for the most part, have been impressed. I had it installed last July when I bought the car, and now have about 21,000 miles on it.

    Aside from the exorbitant cost (about $750-800 installed) I have a few complaints with the film. While the hood still looks great, the lower bumper looks really pitted up close. It's especially bad after waxing and the little pits turn white. Granted, the actual paint underneath is not pitted, just the film, but it's the same difference. I've also had a couple of rocks penetrate the film on the leading edge of the hood. I guess I was hoping the film would be a bit more resiliant.

    Otherwise, the front of the car looks 1000x better than it otherwise would have after a brutal commute over the snowy mountains this winter. The film isn't perfect, but it has preserved some of the finish on the car...and if I were really retentive about it (and independently wealthy) I could always have the film on the lower bumper redone to bring it back to new condition.

    I have always just used black vinyl bras on my cars, but they have their own drawbacks and you have to be extra vigilant to keep them clean and dry to avoid scratching the finish underneath. Sure, StoneGuard costs about 10x the bra, but I think they are worth it.

    Brian
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Ditto the results with autobahnd (sp?), a type of stoneguard. After 13500 miles and a terrible winter plus a road known for stone throws, its holding its own. Wouldn't get another car in NE without it. Also found the dealer was very negotiable on the price - I ended up paying less than 40% of his original quote.

    Larry
  • brainlessbozobrainlessbozo Member Posts: 36
    I had the same installed on my VW Passat 4 Mo and my 03 Forester, and I am pretty happy with the product. I did not cover the lights, but should have. The last winter was a beast on my car. The windshield is pitted as hell. At the same time, I even had the windows tinted with the Formula 1 film. Its amazing how much heat is cut the moment you raise the window. Night driving is not a problem at all.

    Juice - I did get Falken 512s put on yesterday. Can't thank you enough. The dealer installed them for $61 each, which is close to what I would have paid had I shipped them from Vulcan tire. Also got rid of the stock Yoko Geos for $20 credit a piece - had about 16K miles with 6/32 tread left on them. I left the store a net $220 shy, a grin on my face, and free lifetime rotations, road hazard, tire checks, etc in place.

    Now, my forester is fun. Minimal lean in turns, and powering into and out of turns is fun, and quieter.

    BB
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    I have a 94 legend that had the clear bra put on 6 years ago. The covered portion now looks so bad that I have decided to remove it. The paint is in good shape but there are dents caused by bigger stones.
    Be aware that the removal of this film is a real time consuming PIA. I think I spent more in adhesive removal products than in the bra itself.

    Don
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    on the 04 Forester X (base model), how do you clean the gray unpainted bumpers? use the same stuff you use to wash the painted sections? do they fade over time? if so, can they be treated with something?

    thanks.
  • devore420devore420 Member Posts: 30
    Hi everyone,

    We bought a MT black XS (premium) a few months ago and are really liking the vehicle, though we needed to have the Hill Holder set to its least sensitive setting. I wish that feature could be turned off - it seems to get in the way of backing up too often.

    Anyway, I have two questions I'm hoping someone can help with:

    1. When we depress the clutch pedal there is a dry squeaking noise that seems to come from the clutch pedal. I'm guessing I can just ask them to lubricate this but has anyone else experienced it, and does it mean anything nasty?

    2. This is really my wife's vehicle, and today, I accidentally scratched it about an inch above the handle of the driver's side door. Deep enough to look white and be impossible to rub out with wax, but not totally horrible (well, that is relative). About 1 inch long.

    Any advice on removing it? I want to remove it 1) because the thing is still almost brand new, 2) it looks like it could become a rust spot, and 3) because my wife will be unhappy with a scratch on her car. I've tried applying some wax and rubbing it out but to no avail. What else can I do, while not messing up the clear coat, and so on.

    Any advice is appreciated, thanks!
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    devore420 - I have no experience with the squeaky clutch pedal but on the scratch....

    If you scratched down to the sheet metal (shiny silver color for the first 24 hours and likely perfectly rust colored thereafter) then you need to apply touch up paint to avoid rust from getting in. If you only scratched the clear coat then you can buff out with polish/polishing compound/compound and wax over that.

    You likely only scratched the clear coat. Wax fills in holes with wax but doesn't smooth a surface scratch like polish and compound do. I usually go at light scratches first with a gentle polishing compound(which removes hazing and swirls and light scratches). You probably want to pick up a "polishing compound" from an auto parts store that is safe for clear coats. Polish and compound remove surface scratches by removing tiny amounts of clear coat down to the level of the scratch. Follow the instructions. Polishing compound will leave the area looking hazy and dull so wax over the area when you're done to shine and protect it.

    If you think you've really gouged the door and are down to sheet metal and are concerned about rust, then you should pick up touch up paint at the dealer for $5 (ask for a discount if they want to charge you $10). The paint should be applied after you have removed residual wax with something like a polish. It won't look beautiful with the gob of touch up paint on it, but it won't rust and it won't cost you $100 for the detailing. You can also polish over the touch up paint when it's dried but it's doubtful it will ever look brand new again unless you spend some real money.

    Hope that helps - elissa
  • devore420devore420 Member Posts: 30
    Thanks for the info. I can't tell for sure if I've only scratched the clearcoat or if it's through to the sheet metal. The scratch has a bit of white in it, but it's not silvery or shiny.

    Regardless, it sounds like I should try a gentle polishing compound that is safe for clearcoats. That'll either work, and then I can wax over it, or it won't work, and the area will be ready for some touchup paint.

    Can something like this be fixed beautifully for $100? That is a hundred bucks, but only a drop in the bucket for the cost of the new car. If I can just pay someone $100 to return it to almost-new condition, that might be a better idea than me taking a stab at it (the touch-up, that is.)

    Thanks again.
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