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BMW 6-Series



  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I drove the new six this weekend. Many of the same characteristics as the 545 which of course shares the engine and chasis. Reduced visibility out the rear, cushier seats, no armrest for your right arm are the major differences. I think the coupe looks great in the front and terrible from the rear. Most dealers here in SF are asking $10-20 over MSRP and they are discounting the 5 series, so this makes the choice a little easier.
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    And I was hoping for 10-20k under list! lol

    No right armrest???
  • I drove a mineral silver ragtop, and it was quite impressive. Handled like a BMW, and had a big car ride. My only disappointment was the lack of room in the back. The headroom in the back was ok in the convertible, but not in the coupe.

    There was a center armrest. You could raise the top of the console about an inch.

    The personal luxury car returns!! BMW builds an Eldorado!! :-)
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    There is a center console but to use it as an arm rest requires a stretch only a monkee could find comfortable. There is no way a human can rest his arms on both the door arm rest and the center console at the same time, which is something you can do in the 5 series.
  • 6fanatic6fanatic Posts: 16
    Anyone have a 6 ordered for ED? Did you have to pay over invoice? What's the lead time for picking up in Munich? I hear about 3 months from time of order.
  • caltricaltri Posts: 5
    Initially, I was really looking forward to the 6 Series. But, that enthusiasm quickly waned once I actually drove one. While I loved the handling and excellent steering feel, its sport suspension is way too firm for a high end luxury coupe that is supposed to compete against the CL Class. It's bumpy noisy ride can't even compete against a CLK500. I know that since it's a coupe it is intended to be sportier than the 5 Series, with which it shares the same platform. But, this is a car that costs as much as a 7 Series sedan and is supposed to be a luxury car. BMW is well-known for being the automotive leader in successfully blending sporty performance handling with a quiet smooth luxurious ride. Unfortunately, they missed the target with this new coupe and should really soften the suspension and make it more aerodynamic. I think the 6 Series should sit in between the 5 and 7 in terms of luxury. Right now, it's worse than my 330Ci.
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    Did the 6 you drove have the sport suspension? You could get a softer ride without the sport package.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    You have to have the sport package set up to get the active suspension and the variable ratio steering. The sport package on the 545 is pretty supple- have you tried that?
  • 6fanatic6fanatic Posts: 16
    Anyone have a 6 ordered for ED? How long is the wait? Paying over invoice? Know when the 2005 will be available for ED? Can I ask anymore questions? :)
  • saniksanik Posts: 1
    I do not know how they came up with "Ultimate Driving Machine", 3 series is the "THAT MACHINE".
    and when I first saw 6 series coupe and the reviews by our biased auto journalists (well known fact),
    about its beautiful design (one of the most ugliest coupes produced) I was surprised. Lucky for BMW, I guess they do not care much about these reviews ( if they do they won't have 7 series now), immediately they came out with convertible. And in fact it could be one of the most brilliant and significant move for any single product. Some how it transforms it self from an ugly coupe to one of the most beautiful and elegant convertible among current automobiles.
  • garrygarry Posts: 3
    Bangles has given BMW a long term future in his contemporary designs, aka 5, 6 and 7 series. The finished product for the upcoming 3 series sedan and 4 series coupe/convertible will be along the same lines.
    A few years into the model life of these new BM's, they will be developing this same new model lineup. Why? Because they will still be modern and stylish. Mercedes are coming up with some great new designs, too, aka CLK and SL series, but even these new cars, let alone the current A, C, E, S, ML and CL class are quickly becoming uninteresting, stereotyped and dated. Merc may have nowhere to go in a few years time - design-wise, if they soon don't take the plunge like BMW. The 7 is being facelifted in the last quarter of 2004 and it does need a little tweaking, remembering that this was Bangles first "contemporary" design. The 5 and certainly the 6 will grow on us all quickly, you watch. These cars will hasten the aging process for a lot of the others like MercBenz, Audi, Lexus (who badly need new designs). The first RHD 645Ci's arrive in Australia in May. I cancelled an order for a CL500 in favour of the BMW coupe. Why? Brand new, fresh design, state of the art interior, excellent up to the minute engine/transmission combination and chassis/suspension design. New body and trim colours, unique to the range. Being based on the 5-series it is not as large as the CL which is based on the S-class and which seems to be dating quickly now. I have some reservations about the build quality, paint and trim finish of Mercs of late, too. Whether this a Chrysler influence or not, I don't know. BMW are becoming more Lexus-like in the way they build and finish their cars. My car is slated for May build and July/August delivery. Can't wait!! To Edmunds, love your format and newsletters - thank you. Garry
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Interesting views. I really think Mercedes is doing the right thing by sticking with what works for them. That being classic design and evolutionary changes. There is nothing wierd or ugly (7-Series) or jarring (6-Series' trunklid) about any of the current Mercedes designs. The current E and especially CL are just sooo classic Mercedes-Benz in their looks.

    If anything these new Bangle BMWs will appear dated in a few years, imo. Especially their interiors. No Mercedes has undergone such a facelift so quickly because of styling complaints.

    That said I do give BMW credit for trying something new. The 7-Series was first so it was the trailblazer in the worst way. I think the 5-Series looks a lot better especially in darker colors (excuse). The 6-Series has all the menacing BMW shark-like features of the best BMWs, but I can't stand that trunk lid!

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I've been out of town for the last three weeks, and today as I was slogging through my pile of mail, I found a big black envelope from BMW that said "The new 6 -- Driven by excellence." Cool!

    Inside was a nice letter from BMW-NA wishing me to enjoy the 40 page brochure, and suggesting that I would enjoy it even more if I were to go and experience a 645Ci firsthand.

    I think that I'll do just that. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    I read a review of the new 6 in Saturday's Boston Globe (5/1/04) which gave the car very high marks. Since the article referred to 19" wheels, I assume it was equipped with the sport package. It also referred to a switch which allowed the driver to chose between sport and soft suspension settings. This is the first I have heard about this. Can anyone enlighten me?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I checked the archive of E63 pictures that I have and found one that shows a "Sport" button at the base of the transmission selector. Initially I had thought it was for the Automatic or the SMG (as in how "Sporty" do you want your shift program), however, in the below picture (linked to the site where I got part of my set), you will see that the button exists on the 6-Speed manual as well.

    Armed with that bit of information, I found the following reference in the web site:

    "6-speed manual transmission with Dynamic Driving Control (Sport button)"


    Best Regards,
  • pvh3pvh3 Posts: 15
    I just purchased my new 645ci a week ago. It is black sapphire metallic w/black interior. Has sport package and SMG tranny. According to my owner's manual, the adaptive steering feature only works in the sport mode. Also, w/the SMG transmission, when sport mode is used, gear shifting occurs at lower RPMs when the tranny is set to shift automatically. Personally, I prefer to use the manual shifter. I didn't know what an SMG was but i have learned to love it...the power of a manual w/the convenience of an automatic. BTW, I had an MB SL500 and an MBE500 before purchasing this car. Gotta say, it's the nicest car I've ever owned. It has it all over MB in terms of performance....and yes, I even test drove the CLK500. It doesn't even come close.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    So, in the case of a three pedal 645Ci (as I would be inclined to order it), does the "Sport" button only change the steering mode and nothing else?

    Best Regards,
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I just downloaded the 6-Series owners manual and found the following on pages 59 & 60:

    Dynamic Driving Control
    The Dynamic Driving Control makes it possible for your BMW to react in an even more sports-oriented manner at the push of a button:
    > The engine responds more spontaneously to accelerator pedal movements
    > The steering conveys a feeling of even better contact with the road surface
    > Cruise control:
    The stored speed you call up is reached more quickly.

    Additionally with SMG:
    > Gearshifts are faster
    > The engine speed range is used optimally in the Drive mode.

    With automatic transmission:
    > The Sport program is activated.

    Activating system
    With ignition key in position 2
    Press the SPORT button.
    The LED in the button lights up and SPORT is displayed in the instrument cluster.

    Deactivating system
    > Press the SPORT button again or
    > engage reverse gear or
    > switch off the engine.
    The LED in the button and SPORT in the instrument cluster go out.

    Best Regards,
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    I spent some time at the dealers lusting over the new 6. The salesman explained that the sport mode changes shift points on the autos and decreases the aperture on the suspension which significantly tightens the feel. On the 3 pedal models it just affects the suspension.

    As this dealer also sells MB, I checked out the CLK 500 (my last car was a CLK 430 and I am now in a 540i6). The CLK looks like an undeveloped teenager compared with the 6 (IMHO). It is also $20-25k less money.

    Hate to be picky, but why can't they offer a dark exterior with a light interior?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Per my previous post, it seems that your salesman failed to mention the change in the engine response. If you talk to him again, you might suggest that he check the manual. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • pvh3pvh3 Posts: 15
    I gotta say, I haven't noticed much of a difference when driving in sport mode. I'm not a gear-head or a high-performance type driver. The car is such a magnificent piece of automotive heaven that it feels right no matter what mode or transmission or whatever.

    Just my two cents!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Thanks for the feedback, I'm looking forward to driving one as soon as I can get my travel schedule under control, and maybe even doing a Spring 2005 ED trip to pick up a 645Ci. My wife and I did the ED thing for my current 530i and had a ball. She's wanted to go back and fetch another car ever since. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • pvh3pvh3 Posts: 15
    LOL...your reference to the CLK as an "underdeveloped teenager" compared to the 6 is right on the money. I have already owned 2 MBs and the experience was horrible so I thought it was time for a change.

    As for the dark exterior/light interior, since I wasn't sure if I wanted to take the car that was available w/the SMG tranny, I asked if they could order me a black one with the cream interior. They said they could. Of course, that means u have to wait. I didn't want to wait so I took the black on black w/the SMG.
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    Black with cream awesome! Maybe I misread the color charts, I sure hope so. Something about a black interior.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Must be nice to have a wife wanting to go to do another ED. :)

    We got our 6 brochure last night. My wife's comments: "Sexiest car she as EVER seen."

    Unfortunately, it is not our budget right now. We may need to figure a way. :)

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    It's not in our budget at this point either, however, things are starting to develop a little here for us, and if they keep going, a 645Ci may fit into our future. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 63,266
    I figure I will be able to afford one in about eight years, IF my ten year old son turns out to be a juvenile delinquent, and goes to jail instead of college.

    My guess is I will be here living vicariously through Shipo.



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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152 that it will be competing with financial resources that I could use to finish my flying lessons and buy a plane, or cede to Mrs. Shipos' desires and get a boat and/or a summer home up in the White Mountains. Or all three! Or none of the above. It kind of makes planning a little difficult. Hell, if things don't pan out, then the 530i may get turned in at lease end next spring and I may wind up driving our old MiniVan. :-/

    Best Regards,
  • pvh3pvh3 Posts: 15
    The color is "cream beige." It's listed in the brochure. Before I bought mine I checked around to see if any dealers here in the DC area had any on hand. At least 3 of them had black with the red interior. They were all automatics and the only option was the premium sound system. (I heard a rumor that these were pre-production vehicles.) IMO the red interior is abosultely ghastly!!!! I have learned to love the black....I guess the upside is that it will be easier to keep clean.
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    I checked BMW's website again and black/cream is available - obviously. I agree with you on the red, looks like a 70's vette.

    Must say, it's sure nice not to have to make the above choices and have a Company car!
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