I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today! (Archived)

fintail

The Eldorado Eldorado Touring Coupe and Seville Seville Touring Sedan, always amusing

andre1969

uplanderguy said:

Had the car into the dealer for a few days because the gap on the right side of the tonneau was bigger than the left, which bugged fussy me. Considering they don't have a body shop, I was pleased with how they finessed it to be better. I asked if they'd wash the car as when I'd dropped it off, I'd driven 30 miles in rain. I'm used to dealer car washes being rather spotty (no pun intended), but I was pleased to see the car washed, dried, and tires blacked. I'm still liking this dealer.

The 'Vette is looking good, Uplander! Glad you're enjoying it! I did a grocery run this morning, and decided I'd dig the Charger out. I figure, I bought the danged thing, might as well use it!
It was 6 months ago yesterday that I bought it, and it only had 593 miles on it when I took the pic this morning. I think I'm up to a whopping 611 now. I just checked the app on my phone and it says 601, but maybe it just needs to update. Anyway, today was the first time this year that it has left the yard! I figure at this point, most of the brine and other treatments are off the roads, and winter is pretty much gone with the wind. I probably baby this car more than I should. I drive so little these days, sometimes I forget it's even out there, unless I happen to walk past it in the garage.

fintail

andre1969 said:

The 'Vette is looking good, Uplander! Glad you're enjoying it! I did a grocery run this morning, and decided I'd dig the Charger out. I figure, I bought the danged thing, might as well use it!
It was 6 months ago yesterday that I bought it, and it only had 593 miles on it when I took the pic this morning. I think I'm up to a whopping 611 now. I just checked the app on my phone and it says 601, but maybe it just needs to update. Anyway, today was the first time this year that it has left the yard! I figure at this point, most of the brine and other treatments are off the roads, and winter is pretty much gone with the wind. I probably baby this car more than I should. I drive so little these days, sometimes I forget it's even out there, unless I happen to walk past it in the garage.

Still a great color on the Charger. I have to say, if it was mine, I would be a little worried about it being stolen. Do you have a tracker or immobilizer for it?

I feel the no mileage thing - I'll have had the wagon 5 years in a couple weeks, and I am just under 30K miles still - the new world that started a year after I took delivery really changed things. WFH for a bit and hybrid since, I live close to normal shopping errands, even with a road trip or two I just don't drive a ton, and for summer weekends like to get the fintail out too for around town, which might be 750 to probably under 1000 additional miles.

andre1969

Yeah, I found out after I bought the thing, that the V8 Charger is the second most stolen vehicle in the United States, on a per capita basis. #1, was the Hellcat! At least, according to this source: https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/dodge-muscle-cars-once-again-top-hldis-list-of-most-stolen-vehicles

Apparently, the Hellcat is 60x more likely to be stolen than the average car, while even the regular Hemi is about 20x more likely! The app that came with the car does track it, and I think it can immobilize it. But I haven't bought anything aftermarket for it. FWIW I just checked the app again, and it still says 601 miles, and the map is showing the car still over in the parking lot where I went to Aldi this morning, so it's definitely not updating like it should!

tjc78

My Covid Ram doesn’t have the module for the connected services app. I kind of miss it, as I’ve had on several cars prior.

uplanderguy

I have 1,331 miles on mine; took delivery Oct. 7 with 3 miles. Our winter’s been quite mild so we’ve enjoyed it.

explorerx4

My Ford app displays how long since the last update. Sometimes, it is many hours.

explorerx4

It's probably already too late, but cheap!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6dowtbV2s

xwesx

Seems like a reasonable buy for somebody! Is this a northeast car? I didn't catch the location, but the seller's accent sounded a Boston-ish.

explorerx4

@xwesx,
He's in New Hampshire. Car was originally sold in Rhode Island.

stickguy

@tjc78 said:
My Covid Ram doesn’t have the module for the connected services app. I kind of miss it, as I’ve had on several cars prior.

Must be going back soon then.

uplanderguy

At the time I sort-of liked those Lucernes. I liked them better than the Lacrosse which to my eyes had some Taurus-like styling.

Whatever model Lucerne got you the chrome molding along the bottom of the decklid, I'd have had to have that. The back of the car looks so plain without it.

uplanderguy

On FB tonight--many of the cars (almost all Chevys, but an Excalibur as well), 1964-71, from "Bewitched":

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3703833483220953&set=pcb.3703833573220944

roadburner

tjc78 said:

My Covid Ram doesn’t have the module for the connected services app. I kind of miss it, as I’ve had on several cars prior.

The Wrangler has the connected services; I was spoiled by the 2er and C43, so I really do find it useful.

andre1969

uplanderguy said:

On FB tonight--many of the cars (almost all Chevys, but an Excalibur as well), 1964-71, from "Bewitched":

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3703833483220953&set=pcb.3703833573220944

I have "Bewitched" on in the background right now. For some reason, with this latest cycle, Antenna TV started showing the colorized versions of seasons 1 and 2, rather than the original black and white. They just started doing that with "I Dream of Jeannie" as well.
Seems to me, if you're going to go through the effort to colorize Season 1 of Jeannie, couldn't they have spent a few more bucks to edit out Mount Hollywood, looming behind the "Bewitched" house?

tjc78

@stickguy said:

@tjc78 said:
My Covid Ram doesn’t have the module for the connected services app. I kind of miss it, as I’ve had on several cars prior.

Must be going back soon then.

16 months to go….

tjc78

@uplanderguy said:
At the time I sort-of liked those Lucernes. I liked them better than the Lacrosse which to my eyes had some Taurus-like styling.

Whatever model Lucerne got you the chrome molding along the bottom of the decklid, I'd have had to have that. The back of the car looks so plain without it.

Way back when in 2006 I was heavily debating the Lucerne V8 vs the Avalon 2GR V6.

It was a very tough decision. Ultimately I felt the Avalon was the better car and yielded a better lease at the time.

I ticked off a lot of Edmunds posters at the time in one of the discussions here. I think most if not all of them are no longer with us. If I can find the exchange I’ll post the link. Good banter

tjc78

I know TikTok links are frowned upon but has anyone ever seen one of these? I’ll post a screen grab below.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLNXUkS7/

tjc78

andre1969

It's funny thinking about 2006 being "way back when" but I guess it was! I liked that generation of Avalon, right from the get-go. At least, that's how I remember it. I'm hoping I wasn't one of the ones who gave you flack for it, and I'm just remembering it wrong!

As for the Lucerne, I liked it, but it just never really wowed me. One thing I didn't like about it is how, in my mind at least, it sort of split the difference between the old LeSabre and Park Avenue. In base form, I think it was nicer than the base LeSabre, but fully decked out, it just didn't seem as upscale as the Park Avenue did...even if it had a V8 and was better built.

Also, while the old 231 V6, which had around 200-205 hp, was enough engine, at the time at least, for a LeSabre, and even adequate for a Park Avenue, the Lucerne was a bit too much for it. Going off memory, the LeSabre was good for 0-60 in about 8 seconds, maybe 9 for the Park Ave. I think the supercharged engine cut that down to about 7.5. But in the Lucerne, I think it was pushing more like 9.5.

Once upon a time, 9.5 seconds seemed adequate enough. That's about what my 2000 Intrepid was good for. But in my mind, a Lucerne is supposed to be a step up from the Intrepid, and by this time it was 6 years newer, so I just thought it should have a better base engine. It's almost like you were forced into the V8, if you wanted any performance.

I'd imagine once they made the 3.9 V6 standard, that probably was an improvement over the 3.8.

Looking back, it made sense for Buick to replace the LeSabre and Park Avenue with one model, as the market just wasn't big enough anymore to support two different cars. Even if they made two replacement cars that were world leaders, I don't think it would have been enough to draw buyers back to the dwindling market segment.

fintail

That MB is a L319 microbus, kind of resembling a maybe 6:5 scale VW especially when having roof windows.

Maybe 20 years ago I "found" this one - it was another neglected "I'll restore it someday" piece, but I think it eventually found a responsible home:

sda

I still had my 01 Aurora 4.0, fully loaded in 2006. A very nice car I remember fondly. I soon inherited dad's 95 Cutlass Cierra SL with 65k which I made my daily driver. I found I wasn't driving the Aurora much, it stayed in the garage, I sold it. Who knew less than a year later I traded the Cierra for a low mileage (19k mi) 2003 Acura TL.

andre1969

I thought I might have spotted one of those Mercedes vans, in some kind of delivery form, on an episode of "Barnaby Jones." To be honest though, I was paying more attention to the ever-alluring Lee Merriweather, who was hitching a ride. So, upon looking again, this thing is much larger, more medium-duty. The van, that is, NOT Lee Merriweather!
It got me curious, so I tried looking around to see if I could figure out what it was. Apparently Ford made some delivery vans back in the 50's and 60's that looked kind of like that. But, while close, it didn't look like a perfect match. Near as I could figure, this thing is something called a DuraVan Wholesaler.

andre1969

That final-gen Aurora also seemed like one of those "kill two 'possums with one rock" type of cars, in that it sort of replaced the 88 as well as the first Aurora. And, to a degree I guess, carried the torch for the Ninety-Eight, although that one was gone after 1996.

But, it seemed like a more serious effort than the Lucerne was. At least, whereas the cheapest Lucerne was probably rental car fodder, I didn't get that same feeling, about the Aurora. It's really a shame that Oldsmobile got the axe, just as they seemed like they were getting interesting and unique again.

explorerx4

I seem to remember seeing those Mercedes vans in movies at airports.
Maybe Argo? Raid on Entebbe? Don't hold me to those.

tjc78

@andre1969 said:
It's funny thinking about 2006 being "way back when" but I guess it was! I liked that generation of Avalon, right from the get-go. At least, that's how I remember it. I'm hoping I wasn't one of the ones who gave you flack for it, and I'm just remembering it wrong!

As for the Lucerne, I liked it, but it just never really wowed me. One thing I didn't like about it is how, in my mind at least, it sort of split the difference between the old LeSabre and Park Avenue. In base form, I think it was nicer than the base LeSabre, but fully decked out, it just didn't seem as upscale as the Park Avenue did...even if it had a V8 and was better built.

Also, while the old 231 V6, which had around 200-205 hp, was enough engine, at the time at least, for a LeSabre, and even adequate for a Park Avenue, the Lucerne was a bit too much for it. Going off memory, the LeSabre was good for 0-60 in about 8 seconds, maybe 9 for the Park Ave. I think the supercharged engine cut that down to about 7.5. But in the Lucerne, I think it was pushing more like 9.5.

Once upon a time, 9.5 seconds seemed adequate enough. That's about what my 2000 Intrepid was good for. But in my mind, a Lucerne is supposed to be a step up from the Intrepid, and by this time it was 6 years newer, so I just thought it should have a better base engine. It's almost like you were forced into the V8, if you wanted any performance.

I'd imagine once they made the 3.9 V6 standard, that probably was an improvement over the 3.8.

Looking back, it made sense for Buick to replace the LeSabre and Park Avenue with one model, as the market just wasn't big enough anymore to support two different cars. Even if they made two replacement cars that were world leaders, I don't think it would have been enough to draw buyers back to the dwindling market segment.

I think I would rather have a final run Park Ave with the SC V6 than a Lucerne of any flavor.

I loved my 06 Avalon. I almost got another one in 09 but the new Genesis had my eye. Didn’t keep that one too long.

andre1969

Those DuraVan Wholesalers were apparently pretty common, once upon a time. Here's a bunch of them complied on the IMCDB: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-DurAvan_model-Wholesaler.html

Unless there was just one, and the studios kept it around all those years and repainted it, as needed. I notice that a bright blue one that was in several episodes of "Barnaby Jones" also shows up in "Cannon" and "The Streets of San Francisco." I can't remember if "Streets" was a QM production, like Barnaby Jones and Cannon?

fintail

Those MB microbus/vans were also sold maybe in greater numbers as panel vans, and even pickup variants - but I suspect very few came to the USDM as official imports (although no doubt a handful did in that free-wheeling open late 50s-early 60s import market where maybe Stude took the gamble to show off a few). I think I may have seen one in a movie too maybe as an airport or ski bus kind of role.

One came to mind, but it is the more modern looking replacement, from On Her Majesty's Secret Service:



By this time, basic federalization standards were reality, and I suspect few to none of these came over as official imports.

uplanderguy

Sorry for the 'Photobucket' interruption in the pic, but here's one of those M-B vans out at the Studebaker Proving Ground in Indiana, unloading a bunch of wives of the divisional V-P's. This was taken from a bound booklet of photos called "A Visit To Studebaker", August 30 and 31, 1962. I've been in that house in the pic several times, the last time about two months ago.

fintail

That makes me wonder how many of these that came over via Stude (likely about all that are here) had official duties like that before making it to the open market. They couldn't have been cheap, and were a very niche thing.

uplanderguy said:

Sorry for the 'Photobucket' interruption in the pic, but here's one of those M-B vans out at the Studebaker Proving Ground in Indiana, unloading a bunch of wives of the divisional V-P's. This was taken from a bound booklet of photos called "A Visit To Studebaker", August 30 and 31, 1962. I've been in that house in the pic several times, the last time about two months ago.

uplanderguy

BTW, that's Studebaker president Sherwood H. Egbert in the center of the pic, largely facing the camera.

uplanderguy

Besides that I'm a Studebaker buff, whenever I see a pic from about that time period, I think how much the world changed, only a little over a year later. The Beatles came at a time when we needed cheering up, and styles and so much changed. I think the early sixties were generally still a bit of an extension of the late '50's.

ab348

uplanderguy said:

Besides that I'm a Studebaker buff, whenever I see a pic from about that time period, I think how much the world changed, only a little over a year later. The Beatles came at a time when we needed cheering up, and styles and so much changed. I think the early sixties were generally still a bit of an extension of the late '50's.

If you haven't checked out the NASS channel on YouTube, please do. The fellow takes old newsreel/stock motion picture footage from years ago, colorizes it, makes a background soundtrack that sometimes sort of fits, and gives you a look back. I was watching a couple of his newer ones last night. Downtown LA, and kids walking home from school in San Pedro, CA, both apparently just post-war. There is also a third one from that era that he just put up of D.C. in the area around the Capitol building. His stuff runs up to the 1960s though most of it seems 1920s to 1940s.

fintail

Out on the road in the old car today, spotted a much cleaner late 80s/early 90s Camaro convertible, Fiat 124 Spider, 77-79 Caprice/Impala coupe, maybe a 57 Chevy pickup, mid 60s Ford pickup, wild custom maybe based on a 39-40 Ford.

fintail

uplanderguy said:

Besides that I'm a Studebaker buff, whenever I see a pic from about that time period, I think how much the world changed, only a little over a year later. The Beatles came at a time when we needed cheering up, and styles and so much changed. I think the early sixties were generally still a bit of an extension of the late '50's.

I've noticed that for awhile, the first 2-3 years of a decade seem to carry over a bit from the one prior, but by year 4, the new decade seems to be in full swing. I notice that a lot when watching 80s episodes of TPiR where the late 70s appear visible well into the 80s, and in my own memory, the early 90s had a lot of late 80s styles/graphics etc.

andre1969

Yesterday morning, while running a quick errand, I spotted a '94-97 Chrysler LHS, in that really deep green that was popular for awhile around that time. It never got close enough for me to get a pic, but it looked like it was in great shape. I also spotted a first-gen Solara coupe, also in a dark green, and a final-run Town Car, in a two-tone, light gray over dark gray.

One other thing I noticed, is that there still seems to be a good number of Toyota Sienna minivans out and about, of the same generation as my deceased uncle. I think I spotted three of them, just yesterday morning. His is a 2006. I don't really follow minivans (heck, I'm losing track of most modern cars and trucks these days!), so I looked it up, and apparently that style ran from 2004-2010. I don't know if I'm noticing them more now, simply because my uncle's is on my mind, or if they really do have that good of a survival rate.

I just looked up sales, and it looks like 2006 was an all-time sales record for the Sienna, with 163,269. In 2004 and 2005 it also did well, at around 159K and 161K, respectively. In 2007 it slipped to 138K, and then the Great Recession took a pretty big hit in 2008-2010. It's had better years in the wake of the Great Recession, but never did get back to those 2004-2007 numbers. 2015 came close, with around 137K.

This is probably damning it with faint praise, but I guess you could say this thing is "Peak Sienna?"

sda

andre1969 said:

Yesterday morning, while running a quick errand, I spotted a '94-97 Chrysler LHS, in that really deep green that was popular for awhile around that time. It never got close enough for me to get a pic, but it looked like it was in great shape. I also spotted a first-gen Solara coupe, also in a dark green, and a final-run Town Car, in a two-tone, light gray over dark gray.

One other thing I noticed, is that there still seems to be a good number of Toyota Sienna minivans out and about, of the same generation as my deceased uncle. I think I spotted three of them, just yesterday morning. His is a 2006. I don't really follow minivans (heck, I'm losing track of most modern cars and trucks these days!), so I looked it up, and apparently that style ran from 2004-2010. I don't know if I'm noticing them more now, simply because my uncle's is on my mind, or if they really do have that good of a survival rate.

I just looked up sales, and it looks like 2006 was an all-time sales record for the Sienna, with 163,269. In 2004 and 2005 it also did well, at around 159K and 161K, respectively. In 2007 it slipped to 138K, and then the Great Recession took a pretty big hit in 2008-2010. It's had better years in the wake of the Great Recession, but never did get back to those 2004-2007 numbers. 2015 came close, with around 137K.

This is probably damning it with faint praise, but I guess you could say this thing is "Peak Sienna?"

My sister had an 06 Sienna. I don't recall the trim level. It was charcoal gray with medium gray interior. She had it for years. The only issue she had with it was the driver's door hinge on the a-pillar cracked and required repair. Apparently it was a know issue as Toyota covered the repair. The door had to be removed, some welding, paint and reinstall. My sister has only driven Toyota products since her 1990 Celica STX. She currently has very nice Lexus RX in dark blue with ivory and mocha interior.

tjc78

I had a first generation Solara Coupe. SLEV6 with all options checked. Loved that car.

fintail

Those Siennas are easily 300K++ mile vehicles if maintained, no doubt.

On foot today: saw a house with 3 Corvettes (mid 70s, late 70s/early 80s, late 80s), an 87-88 T-Bird, a Suzuki Kizashi, Suzuki SX4 notchback, and the Topaz I jog by once a week appears to be actively on the road, as I noticed it has current registration and is wearing winter tires.

uplanderguy

My younger B-I-L had a Sienna of that gen. He had problems with the power sliding door on the right side, where he just ended up turning that off. It ended up overheating at about 160K miles. He's a fair shade-tree mechanic and subsequently got tired of adding coolant when he couldn't figure out where it was going. He apparently liked it enough to buy a newer one, a 2014.

andre1969

My uncle bought this Sienna back in September of 2019. And in a way, I'm partly responsible for him buying it. There was one time, that he had to squeeze himself and two passengers into his Colorado. One of my elderly relatives, who was about 96, was in the hospital. He took her daughter, his cousin, and another elderly relative who was 94, to go visit her in the hospital. It was a really tight squeeze. After that, he said he wanted to buy a second vehicle, in case he ever needed to "haul the family around" as he put it. And I was like, what family. We're either dying off or moving out of the area!

And, sure enough, that 96 year old ended up dying before Thanksgiving of that year. Her daughter moved to Florida. The 94 year old made it to 95, but then died a few days before the end of 2019. I remember the first Saturday in 2020, there was a service for her.

Anyway, my uncle had taken me used car shopping, and was using me as some sort of test as to whether a vehicle was roomy enough. He was having me sit in the driver's seat, get it to where I'm comfortable, and then seeing if I could fit comfortably in the back seat. Well, there aren't too many vehicles left, where you can put one 6'3" person behind another, and have them both be comfortable. And I'm usually not comfortable in the back seat of anything truck-based, anyway. Usually the floor is too high, which means the seat is too low, so there's no thigh support. And while SUVs and crossovers usually don't have this issue, in trucks the backrest is usually too upright, as it's shoved against the back wall of the cab. I told him that for what he wants, he probably should look at a minivan. Well, the first lot we went to, happened to have this Sienna. We both drove it, and honestly liked it more than we thought we would. We went to a couple other places, but for the price he was looking at, around $7-9K, most of the vehicles were either too small, or too junky, or there was some other issue. I remember looking at a Lincoln Town Car at one place, that I had high hopes for. But upon actually squeezing into it (it was sort of buried in the back of the lot, had been sitting, battery was dead, and I had to go in the passenger side because there was a car too close to it on the driver's) I just didn't get a good vibe from it.

We also looked at a 2006 Buick Lucerne that didn't look too bad in the pics online. But in person, it had this really bad repaint. It was way too sparkly. They also had a 2006-2012 era, W-body Impala on the lot, but I told my uncle that if he wants a useable back seat, it's going to be as bad as my Regal, where I couldn't fit in the back, with the front seat adjusted for me.

So, a few days later, he ended up coming home with that Sienna. It had about 160,000 on it when he bought it. I forget what he paid for it, but in my opinion it was way too much at the time. I know he also put some money into it. The paperwork is somewhere stashed around, but I haven't found it yet. It has about 179,000 miles on it now. There are some things about it, that impress me. For instance, it has a solid feel to it. And no squeaks/rattles, engine seems smooth, responsive, performs pretty well given the size of this thing. I think in 2006 they used a 3.3 V6? It's funny, but it feels more hiqh-quality at 179,000 miles than my uncle's 2016 Colorado does at around 36,000, but it's not fair to compare a unitized minivan with a V6 to a BOF pickup with a fairly large 4-cyl.

On the down side, I don't think I've ever seen a dashboard with so many cracks in the padding. I've heard that's actually a common issue with some Toyota models as they age. The glovebox latch is also broken, and there's a little overhead console that's also broken, and won't stay closed. And the other day when I was cleaning it out, I had it backed up to the garage, which is on a slight slope. The sliding door on the driver's side would stay open, but the passenger side wouldn't. It also has a vibration that picks up around 55 mph, but seems to go away once you're above 60, but I think that's just a wheel that needs to be balanced.

Most of those issues can be forgiven, considering the age, mileage, and who-knows how it was treated in its past life. Still, I find the dash cracks interesting.

Oh, and on the subject of coolant loss/overheating...while it seems to be running fine, when I was cleaning it out, I did notice three 1-gallon jugs of antifreeze in the back! So I'm wondering if my uncle did have coolant issues with it, at some point.

From a financial standpoint, it never did make sense for him to buy it. And the only time I can ever recall it having 3 people in it was around Christmas 2019. But, he never regretted buying it. He said it was a LOT easier for him to get in and out of than his Colorado. In his later years, he was having trouble with stairs, and he never did like my Ram because he said it was too hard to get up into. And it was comfortable, maneuverable, and fairly economical.

sda

The dash in the 06 TL has the numerous and typical cracks in the dash. It looks awful. I bought a custom fit fabric (velour like material) Dash Mate from Rock Auto for around $30. It took a bit of minor finessing to get it to fit right but it was worth the effort. It looks tremendously better.

uplanderguy

This era Seville was recently mentioned here. This ad or brochure came up on a FB page today. I think this car is handsome, except for the yellow taillight lense portions.

And the wheels....look like wheels!

texases

I didn't realize that version had the STS option available.

tjc78

I never felt that style of Seville was objectionable but it certainly didn’t have much presence. I’d wager it was the most expensive Caddy at the time

uplanderguy

It's funny, I thought they were so small at the time. As sometimes is the case, in hindsight I like them better than at the time.

fintail

Out in the sun today spotted the very clean 90-91 Taurus on whitewalls I see now and then, another Kizashi, early Suzuki XL-7 (I remember when these launched as a neighbor bought one, the apparent lack of a fender/wheel well liner seemed weird to me) clean 70s squarebody towing a large boat, BMW E32

andre1969

I didn't like the '86-91 at the time, either. But I think it's because, when it came out, there were so many other domestic luxury cars around, either brand-new or slightly used, so it was kind of like putting the S.S. Minnow up against the Andrea Doria. It just had no presence about it, and sort of got lost in the crowd.

But nowadays, they're a rare sight, and stick out from the crowd. Or, "absence makes the heart grow fonder," or something like that. I do think they have attractive styling and proportions. They were a sales flop initially, but somehow managed to gain in popularity later in the run. At first, I was thinking maybe it improved when the Continental went FWD, but looking in my auto encyclopedia, it looks like that generation of Continental was actually somewhat popular, usually good for around 40-50K units annually, during those years it overlapped with this generation of Seville. It did take a dip when the '92 Seville came out, though. The Seville started off at around 19K in 1986, but gradually rose. They actually dipped a bit to around 18K in 1987, but then went up a bit to 22-23K in 1988-89, 33K in 1990, and 28K in 1991.

uplanderguy

Remember when George Costanza was up against the Andrea Doria survivor to get the apartment? "There were only 49 people killed!", LOL.

Off the subject I know, but I was excited for this last season of "Curb Your Enthusiasm", which I normally like a lot. Except for a couple episodes, I've been disappointed. The last one was so dirty (wife said 'filthy') I was embarrassed to watch it with my wife sitting near me!

uplanderguy

I could even like this now. When's the last time you saw one? Shrunken proportions, but American styling. Truth be told, at this point in time, I like it better than the '92.

I always liked thin whitewalls against a polished aluminum wheel, or nice wheel cover. Full-size Chevys with the F41 suspension usually used a whitewall like this.

Not too sure, but I think the STS I pictured above it, might have that, as my Packard friend once called it, "plastic garbage-can trim" along the bottom of the sides. Not really obvious from the pic.

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