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  • chiplambchiplamb Member Posts: 2
    The structure of the doors is wood on that car. The door hinges from the steel bodyshell go into wood.

    BTDT,
    Chip
  • chiplambchiplamb Member Posts: 2
    Scarabe Green. It's a 1992 9000 Turbo. I think I used to own the car, the fellow who bought it from me sold it to someone in Alexandria or Arlington. If I'm right, I'm pleased to know it's still in primo shape. It took 1st place in the 9000 class at the 2000 SAAB owners convention with 100k on the clock.

    Chip
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Nope, Yaris has more legroom in front. You can look it up :P I jumped right from the 5 series into a Subaru and the Subie had more legroom and arm room for me. Bimmers are tight, especially 3s. Lots of people b**ch about this. It's not just me. A 3 is impossible for me to drive any distance. Never owned one for that reason.

    WOODIES: -- oh, my lack of clarity--- I meant that the doors aren't framed in wood all the way around in that Packard, near as I can tell. next time I see one I'll look closer at it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    German cars do tend to have bigger/firmer seats for those big boned bodies, that might make the car feel larger. My old W126 felt like it had huge seats, I am not petite yet I had room to spare. Something I notice in BMWs is that the ergonomics tend to make it feel like the car 'wraps around' you, where in a MB and most others the dashboard and other trim is pretty flat. BMWs have a more intimate feeling, especially in a 3er.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Nope, Yaris has more legroom in front. You can look it up

    Just did and according to the specs, sure enough the Yaris comes out ahead 42.2" of front seat legroom versus 41.5 for the 5-series. Still, I have trouble believing that. 42.2" is what my Intrepid is rated at, and I have a heckuvalot more stretch out room for my legs in the Trep. And yet, I find the Trep to be a bit tight. My '79 New Yorker is rated at 42.3", yet it feels like there's a lot more legroom up front than my Intrepid. I seriously doubt if most people would be able to feel .1" difference.

    I wonder how they measure legroom on cars with power seats? Back in the day, it was easy to just put a seat all the way back, and then measure the distance from the base of the backrest over the front edge of the cushion and down to the gas pedal. But with the myriad of up/down/tilt adjustments they have these days, there are some cars where I can get the seat into such an obscene angle that I can barely reach the pedals!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Something I notice in BMWs is that the ergonomics tend to make it feel like the car 'wraps around' you, where in a MB and most others the dashboard and other trim is pretty flat. BMWs have a more intimate feeling, especially in a 3er.

    One thing I've noticed with Benzes versus BMW's, is that the Benzes seem to be designed to have a more useable back seat. For instance, I fit fine, both front and rear, in a C-class sedan, which actually surprised me for such a small car. But with the 3-series, while it's fine up front, the back seat becomes non-existent once I get the front to where it fits me. A similar thing happens with the next size up. The E-class just feels roomier to me than the 5-series, both front and rear. However, the 5 seems much improved over the older models.

    Now with the S-class versus the 7-series, it's hard to tell. They both seem huge in the back, with the standard-length models feeling about as good as an early 80's Electra, or maybe Lemko's Brougham, while those stretched models probably out-do the old Fleetwood Sixty Specials!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I wonder if how low the bottom of the dashboard sits plays into that at all. I have noticed a dashboard that seems like it would smash your knees in a crash makes a car feel a lot smaller. I know someone who must be 6'5" or so and drives a Jetta...his knees are almost touching the dash, which seems to sit too low. That also worried me in my C43, that in a hard frontal crash the dash would be pushed up and break my knees or legs. Now that I have a slightly larger car, those few extra inches seem to make a world of difference.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I'm 6'1"...and I couldn't fit in the back of my old C-class with the front seat back to my driving position. In the E-class, I can get back there just fine. Mercedes was I think also a pioneer in designing front seatbacks with indentations at the sides to aid in rear legroom.

    MB has had only the LWB S-class in the North American market since the 2000 model year with the exception of the oddball S350 which I have seen only once and I think might have been only offered for MY 2006, I think that car was 5" shorter than a S430/500....but back in the day when it had both each year, those LWB cars were noticeably larger inside. My W126 was not particularly roomy in the back, especially given how big the car looks. BMW still offers a SWB 7er, which I understand is not the best performer at resale.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I think with me, sometimes I can fit better in a car with a lower back seat. For instance, with the Honda Civic, the seat is kinda low, so my butt is lower than my knees. Therefore, I don't need as much fore-aft room as I would in a car with a higher back seat, where my legs would be more straight-out. Also, the back of the front seat is shaped so that if I sit with my legs splayed, I can actually fit back there, straddling the front seatback.

    But then with a larger car like an Aura or Malibu, which actually has a recessed area for your knees, it just doesn't line up with me. My knees are too high for the recessed area. And the seats are just big enough that I can't just splay my legs.

    My knees just barely touch the seatbacks in my '79 New Yorkers, but at least they're padded, so it doesn't bother me. I hate it when some cars put hard plastic on the seatbacks. My buddy's '04 Crown Vic is like that. I've also seen some car where they'd put an ashtray in the seatback, right where your knee would go. I think that was mainly a GM fetish, though.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I bet you would fit in the fintail, maybe even sitting directly behind me. That's one car where I don't need the seat to be all the way back as I do in so many others. The front seats are low back buckets and are usually angled to give a lot of rear room. I remember back in my school days I'd have several passengers in the car all the time, no complaints. The old car has good space efficiency.

    I remember a car with an ashtray in the seatback...maybe it was our old Ciera. Sounds familiar somehow.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    Gen 1 M3 (red). Oddity was, a woman driver, and a rear facing baby seat up front.

    ALso got stopped behind 2 3'ers. An early 325 (90ish? Late 80s?) next to a last generation model. The newer one absolutely dwarfed the old one from the rear. Much taller, higher decklid, wider, etc. Amazing the difference.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    The old car has good space efficiency.

    A lot of cars from that time had lots of headroom, no thought to aero stying - my pet theory for one reason SUVs were so popular...the lower the roofs went on cars, the more popular SUVs became. It's one reason we'll be looking at a Highlander-type vehicle...
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    A lot of cars from that time had lots of headroom, no thought to aero stying - my pet theory for one reason SUVs were so popular...the lower the roofs went on cars, the more popular SUVs became. It's one reason we'll be looking at a Highlander-type vehicle...

    Oddly though, I have more headroom issues with modern vehicles than I did with older ones. Main problem is the way newer vehicles curve in on the sides, and with those thick roof pillars, and now even moreso with those side airbags.

    It also seems like you sit closer to the outer edge on modern vehicles, which is only going to amplify that problem. I find myself having to lean inward when I drive my uncle's '03 Corolla. The Yaris and Fit are pretty bad in this regard, too. But it's not just smaller vehicles.

    I've also found some pretty big vehicles where I have to slouch down to keep from hitting the ceiling or rear window in back. For instance, GM's W-bodies. Oddly, even the '96 Caprice was like this!

    I think the best vehicle I ever had with regards to headroom was my '89 Gran Fury, which dates back to the 1976 Volare. I think, with domestic makes at least, that was what signaled the return back to shorter, taller, more space-efficient cars. The 1977 GM B-bodies actually tend to get credit for that, although Volares and Aspens did have more headroom, in the sedan models, at least. The sedans also had fairly big door openings for the time, which made entry/exit pretty easy. That's one improvement I've noticed with many modern cars, the bigger door openings. For instance, while I might find my uncle's '03 Corolla to be horribly cramped behind the wheel, and I have to lean inward while driving, it's actually a very easy car to get in and out of. The door openings themselves are probably larger than those on many older full-sized cars!

    Dart and Valiant sedans always had good headroom too, although I remember Shifty once say that he bumped his head in a Dart. The hardtops were more low slung, though, and the Duster/Demon/Sport variants even more so.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Saw a '92 or so SAAB 900S convertible...being taken somewhere on a flatbed :sick:
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    "Oddly though, I have more headroom issues with modern vehicles than I did with older ones."

    Exactly - that's what I was trying to say. I was talking about the recent (but now declining) popularity of SUVs. I also find the inward tilt of the windows a problem - the last Taurus was bad on this. I like the new xB because of the good headroom, partly resulting from the near-vertical doors/windows.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I also find the inward tilt of the windows a problem - the last Taurus was bad on this.

    That's one thing I always found a bit odd about some of those overblown cars of the 70's. Even though the inward tilt of the windows got downright obscene on some of them, it just didn't bother me the way it does with newer cars. I guess it could be that the cars were so wide, even with that tilt, it kept the sides away from my head.

    I remember the 1986-era Taurus as being the first car I ever sat in where I had to lean inward in the back seat in order to fit. But then the '96+ design took it to a new extreme!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...white 1973 Pontiac Catalina sedan in about average condition.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    No doubt that Saab is going in for its annual head gasket?

    I know, I'm only a database of ONE, but I never owned worse cars than my three Saab turbos. Loved 'em but god almighty, they never quit breaking. Low miles, high miles, coupe, convertible, stick, automatic---it didn't seem to matter.

    No wonder the company is in the ditch, like Jaguar.

    "It's awfully nice to have pretty and fun
    But now and then I'd like it to run"
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    "I never owned worse cars than my three Saab turbos"

    I only know of three cars that dealers have bought back, and two of them were SAAB 900 convertibles :sick:

    (the other was a mid-90s Range Rover)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    oh Range Rovers---don't get me started.

    Didnt' they make the absolute BOTTOM of the various reliability lists published every year?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    My mom and grandma both have last-gen Taurus. Even at my non-excessive 6'1" height, I don't find them comfortable to drive or ride in. The back seat, as you mention, is the worst, and driving the car I feel the windows are too short - not too high at the bottom, but too short at the top. And I find it noteworthy that it's not really a low roof vehicle in the dopey latest trend, it's just clumsy design.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That's one reason I don't think I'd ever go for a MB CLS - the slit windows and low roof would drive me crazy. I like lots of visibility when I drive, and I often park in narrow dark parking garage spots, so being able to see is a necessity. I can see why people buy soft-roaders, just to see.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    I noticed that at the car show (new cars). I loved the Infiniti G35, but there was not an abundance of head and torso room. I could fit, but need to adjust the seat down all the way, stuff like that (same as most any other car!)

    But, I also saw the new E35 cross over. Basically a G35 wagon. Much more headroom, and seemed to be roomier overall for the upper body. Really liked that, more than I thought I would.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    At my office, someone just got an Audi (has the temp tag on it still).

    a 1997 A6 3.2Q. Actually a very attractive car. Just hope they can find parts for it!

    I am just not brave enough to shake hands on paying my money for an 11 year old Audi. Don't know the owner, because I really want to know how much they paid for it!

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    "But, I also saw the new E35 cross over. Basically a G35 wagon. Much more headroom, and seemed to be roomier overall for the upper body"

    Hmm, I'll have to try that out - I had the same problem in the G35, and the back seat was a joke! Did you try out the back seat of the E35?

    Also, re the '96 Audi - my neighbor has one, seems like it's been reliable...maybe he's been lucky :confuse:
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    seemed to be pretty roomy. Better than the sedn, since you are more upright. Also more headroom.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Audis are great and attractively priced as used cars...until you get the bill for the first major repair and stumble to a chair, ashen-faced and sweating and wondering how that is possible.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    I've had a couple of used Audis, they were very reliable in fact the '98 A4 Avant 2.8 Quattro was the most reliable car I've ever owned, including a couple of Hondas.

    I wouldn't say it was cheap to maintain cuz parts are dear and Quattro drive goes thru tires every 20K but I might buy an A3 before too long.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Hey if it has a warranty, no worries.

    Yep, Audi parts are very expensive. If you got out of a '98 Avant without your hair on fire you were damn lucky IMO.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    1971 Toyota for $12,500? Owner went over the top too many times I think. But he does have an offer on it of some kind. I'm thinkin' $5K is all the money here.

    Stutz -- nice, I like it.

    Edsel -- rare but who cares?

    Fiat 1100-- cute as a puppy but unless I can crawl underneath and look for tin worms, no way I'd bid on it. Love to have it though.

    74 Electra -- looks pretty clean. Bid is fair so far. Bet you could squeeze a good 8 mpg out of it, too.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    Here's an excellent Mercedes for you, and it's in your neck of the woods-

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-Diesel-1997-Mercedes-Benz-E- 300D-SILVER-DIESEL-only-49K-MI_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6335QQihZ022QQitemZ350- 024121223QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

    I very rarely see this body style in the diesel version, and when I see an example it's usually got high mileage on it.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    ...he won't take $180K for the SL replica. It looks like a good replica and it must've been hideously expensive to make but how much is anyone going to pay for a fake.

    Love that Fiat 1100, it embodies Italian style.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That dealer has a couple low mileage W210 diesels, he puts them on the local craigslist now and then. His prices are usually kind of optimistic. For 14K that car might not be a bad deal, but I think he's been asking like 22K for it on CL, and that seems a little dear - for 22K, I'd just save a little or spend a little and wait for a nice W211 CDi. Speaking of those, the local MB dealer had an 05 CDi in a nice blue-grey color, with a pano roof - I have never seen a diesel with panorama roof. If it had sport package, I would almost have looked at it. Price was upper 30s though, a bit more than I would want to spend. I do think my next car could be a diesel.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Saw a couple of goodies today...a beautiful 1934 Chevy convertible in a correct-looking red, a decent looking ca. 63 Falcon wagon, a Peugeot 505 wagon, a nice looking silver-blue 65 Mustang convertible another W210 E55, and the fintail now has a new roomate (the guy who owns the garage where I park it is renting out the other half) - a 66 (I think) Continental 4 door convertible. It barely fits.
  • mmcnamarammcnamara Member Posts: 27
    These two weren't seen by me today, but given that it wasn't that long ago, I thought I'd mention them. It's a rainy fall day outside of a Columbus, Oh, mall and I'm walking to the entrance when I hear a rather healthy exhaust prowling the parking lot. Given that this mall is in a neighborhood that favors more the hushed tones of a Lexus, I turned my head to see the unmistakable fastback roofline of a '71-'73 Mustang heading down one of the rows. I wait for it to reach the end of the lot so that I can get a full view, my interest now having been really piqued by the fact that it sounds like it has a manual transmission in it. As it turns the corner, I get the real surprise when I see it is a ratty but complete Boss 351 being driven by a lady in her 40's. There's rust, the dirt of a decade or two, but it sure looks authentic.
    Not too long after, on another gray, rainy day, I'm heading south into town on I-71. I come up on a '67 or '68 full-size Chevy two door, in what I think of as a post sedan. It has a set of duals poking out from underneath a slighty rusty bumper, the body in really good shape, the paint looking very weathered, almost matte in appearance. It's got a little rumble to it, but not much. The car looks to be your plain-Jane stripper, with basically no chrome trim, etc., and is being driven by a woman in her mid-60's. As I pass by, though, I take a good look at the fender and see a 427 emblem there- not a shiny new one from a repro catalog, but one that looks like it's about 40 yrs. old. Original? I don't know, but if I was a betting man.....
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I think the 1974 is my least favorite of those overblown '71-76 Electras, and also the LeSabre. The '71-73 just look so clean and smooth in comparison, and the '75-76 just seemed to adapt really well to those bulky 5 mph bumpers and more upright front-ends that were coming into vogue. I think the main thing I don't like about the '74 is the way they separate the headlights...just looks a bit garish IMO.

    Still, that looks like a nice one. Nice color and interior, and I like those rally wheels on it.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Less than 20k miles on a 12 year old car is just weird! :confuse:
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    "Less than 20k miles..."

    Some people bought these as 'future collectables', so some will be in real good shape, and there is a market, just not a high-$$ one...
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    You know, that is a nice example.

    However, didn't these have something like 260HP?

    You can get an Accord or an Altima that has more HP than that now. Of course, those are FWD while the Impala is RWD.

    How about a Charger with the 3.5L V6? Heck, the Hemi has something like 340HP now.

    Just my .02 on the subject.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    However, didn't these have something like 260HP?

    You can get an Accord or an Altima that has more HP than that now. Of course, those are FWD while the Impala is RWD.

    How about a Charger with the 3.5L V6? Heck, the Hemi has something like 340HP now.


    Yeah, they had 260 hp, 330 ft-lb of torque. 0-60 came up in the low 7 second range. I think the current FWD Impala, with the 5.3 V-8, can actually clock in at something like 5.7 seconds, and the Charger/300C/Magnum with the 340 hp Hemi are around that mark, as well.

    Even something like a 4-cyl Altima is good for 0-60 in around 7.7 seconds these days. I think the 3.5 Charger/300 is good for 7.5-8 seconds, depending on who you want to believe.

    Still, for that era, 1994-96, the Impala SS was quick, especially for something that size. Supposedly the LT-1 Roadmasters, Fleetwoods, and station wagons are almost as fast and handle just as well. I think something like a Fleetwood would be cool, in kind of a wolf in sheep's clothing sort of way. Sure, a lot of cars would still beat it, but most people wouldn't expect something that big, with its padded vinyl roof, to be as fast as it is!
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    There's a garage just up the street from our house, and yesterday he had a Bentley in for some work - this was a T series Mulliner-Park Ward coupe, the predecessor to the Corniche - 1967/8 according to the registration, and quite a rare car, as most of the 2-door models of that era were Rolls rather than Bentleys ( only about 15% were Bentleys on the first Shadow/T-series I think). It looked nice, in black, and was probably in regular use.
    Also saw an Austin Cambridge A60 this week, tatty, but running.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    I spotted a 94 Mazda 929 in traffic, wearing a temporary tag, it looked in fair shape ecept for some scratches on the bumper.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That Peugeot is a very significant piece of automotive history. World's first retractable hardtop, although not the first electrically retractable one.

    Nash-Healeys can be worth some big bucks

    Lancia asking price is silly.

    Old Limos are a hard sell but that Packard is very handsome. Back when "Packard" meant something. I find its formality more convincing than the Cadillac.

    1958---the year that "over the top" didn't refer to World War I

    50 Olds -- I loved that sentence "completely restored except it wasn't taken off the frame"....well then it's not completely restored, is it? IS IT!????

    83 Olds --- GEEZ, I think the high bid is already way beyond value.

    '84 buick Regal --- does anyone really care?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I like that '83 Cutlass Supreme Hurst, although I never cared for the triple-stick gear shifter. I think 0-60 on those was around 8 seconds, which for 1983 was probably toward the leading edge. At that time, the quickest Mopars were probably police cars, or maybe a truck with an optional 360. :sick: Ford was getting around 175 hp out of the Mustang 302 by that time, so I'm sure it was quicker. And among the GM lineup, there was the Corvette and Camaro/Firebird V-8's. Oh, and the Monte SS and Regal T-type.

    Nowadays, I think a 4-cyl Altima is quicker than that, and I wouldn't be surprised if a 4-cyl Camry or Accord is, as well.

    I sort of like that '84 Regal sedan, although I learned to fear that rendition of the 231 V-6 because of an '82 Cutlass Supreme I had. Still, I guess if you change the oil regularly, and maybe change out the nylon/mesh timing gear for a real metal one, it could go a long time.

    GM was also kinda funny about transmissions back then. This one just has a 3-speed with no overdrive, but it could actually be the sturdier THM350C, rather than that lightweight THM200C. I've heard that GM would often put the lightweight tranny with the V-8 models, because it would help out slightly with fuel economy. However, the V-6 models were already passable, so they left them with the beefier tranny.

    This one also has those danged stationary rear door windows that I always gripe about. Interestingly though, the little flip out vent windows are power operated on this one. Sort of a nice touch, although I'd rather have a roll-down window.

    That Peugeot is really neat. I tend to think of Peugeots as beat-up, soot-covered, grimy hulks left for dead along the highway, so it's really cool to see that there's another side to them. Or, at least, there once was another side to them.

    I like that '58 Eldorado, too. When compared to a regular '58 Caddy, Imperial, or especially a Lincoln, I think it looks downright restrained and tasteful!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Lemko, do you mean that white one I posted, with the pimpy red leather interior out in Winchester VA? I'm kinda tempted, but that's at least 2 hours away, and the weather's been pretty nasty here, anyway. My '79 5th Ave is still at the mechanic, just getting a general checkover. I did want him to check the front suspension though, because something just doesn't feel quite right in the left tire.

    The Gran Fury wasn't added to the R-body lineup until 1980. Basically, it IS a Newport, just with the inner parts of the grille blacked out. And the taillights are from a St. Regis, just with the white/gray trim removed. It might have had its own seat pattern, but I doubt it. Dashboard would have been identical as well. However, the Newport used black plastic where the St. Regis and New Yorker used fake woodgrain. I'm not sure what the Gran Fury would have used.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Love both those limos, especially the 1940 Cadillac! Would love the 1958 Eldorado Brougham, but I'm not brave enough or wealthy enough to do the restoration it so richly deserves. The 1984 Buick Regal sedan would make an excellent beater car, but the 231 in this car scares me unlike the one in my 1988 Park Avenue. The guy's $8,900 buy-it-now price is absolutely psychotic.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    "tasteful" isn't a word that leaps to my mind for anything made in '58, but I guess in relative terms there is a spectrum of excesses, that's true.
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