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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well don't get me wrong they are wonderful cars in their own way, but yes, Rolls lived on its reputation for way too long, since the 1930s. Naturally, estate cars given fastidious maintenance from the richest of owners did just fine but once used and passed on to second-hand owners the Rolls has been a real nuisance to keep running for any length of time. By the 1970s they were mere ghosts of their former selves.

    They were beautifully made but not necessarily well-made by modern robotic standards. That custom coachwork of the 30s 40s 50s and early 60s tended to shake apart, and the cars did not weather well.

    You have to remember that until the Germans bought them, Rolls was a severely under-capitalized company that made do any way it could, to survive. Constant revisions and modifications, and under-developed engine technology, and rather complex and untested engineering results in many mishaps.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    WA state has issued combinations like "SUX" "DUI" and "CRP" etc :P
  • merckxmerckx Member Posts: 565
    I was really surprised to see them mentioned here......can you buy these in America? I've always wondered if there was some drawback to ownership.....They've apparently been popular for decades in England, but I've never noticed one here.
    I'd think one would be a superb alternative to a convertable....I think my dreamcar would be a Fintail with one(I do think I've seen one or two of these in America over the years).
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I think a fintail with a full length sunroof would be cool too. I think a handful received this mod back in the day, I swear I have seen a couple too.

    I'd settle for the factory sunroof too, which on old MB is a nice piece of work, with the handle you pull down and turn to open.
  • seattlep1800seattlep1800 Member Posts: 3
    This is Natasha,
    Great idea about the Webasto su roof. Jeremy and I are talking about it now.

    I wanted to post a link for everyone to look at the style of convertible top Jeremy and I have sort of fallen for. ..
    it isnt a direct link because of the way the site works but if you go to

    volvo1800pictures dot com

    and click on the cabriolets....
    it is the second from the bottom.
    It is dark green car... 1966, Holland. ID:439

    hit the little blue dot to see more pictures.

    It is a very custom job as the guy that owns the car had desigend the top himself. Jeremy and I think we are willing to put the money into havint it done, because this is going to be our first baby together.. and nothing but the best for our baby, right? hahaha.
    But really, we wouldn't ever expect to sell the car and are looking at it as more of a project, recreation, etc... we would likely just spend the money elsewhere, so why not for a beautiful car that is exactly what we want.

    So , let us know what you think about of the top. I think it really preserves the look of the car. Also, What do you know about putting power steering into this car???

    Natasha
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670

    So , let us know what you think about of the top. I think it really preserves the look of the car. Also, What do you know about putting power steering into this car???


    I can see why you like that particular top, it preserves the look of the original coupe when up, very nicely (I'd have gone with black fabric to mesh better w the dark green bodywork.)>

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    Good luck finding someone to replicate that style, there's a reason why most convertibles do not have tops that so closely replicate their coupe brethren.

    As for power steering, I recommend strongly against it. P/S is a neccessity in a modern car because of the vehicle weight and tire size but those skinny old 165-14
    radials worked fine with a direct mechanical linkage to the steering. Save your money for the conversion you'll need it. ;)

    I Googled "custom convertible conversions" and got 249.000 hits :surprise: Adding
    "for Volvo" gets it down to 23,4000, adding "1800" gets it down to a mere
    8300.

    Good luck!

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That top does look infinitely better than most.

    I guess my main concern is a) costs getting out of hand and b) that you are going to end up with a real rattle trap of a car.

    As for the steering, the P1800 is an extremely nose-heavy car that is true. Like everything else, you can make any modification work if you want to spend the money, but I have no idea how you'd adapt a Volvo 240 series steering post, rack, pump and steering linkages to the P1800---which is based on a 122 series cars. Once again, you never want to be a "pioneer"---you want to find someone else who's done it, and ask them how!

    "the clever woman learns by her mistakes, the really smart woman learns by other people's mistakes".

    I'd just learn to live with what you have here regarding power steering, if I were you. Once the P1800 gets rolling, it's not so bad. It's only parking that's a hassle. You might try harder tire pressures and a stock size tire (nothing too wide, that's going to enlarge your biceps if you do).

    By all means, explore the Webasto idea. In this way you'll get that "open air feeling" without turning the car into a flexi-flyer.

    I'd tend to put your $$$ into the Webasto, some IPD performance parts for the engine and suspension, and corrections to the car's weak spots, such as the timing gears, u-joints, instrument panel gauges, and oil cooler, all of which cause trouble and all of which are correctable.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    "... the yellow '47 (?) Buick Roadmaster convertible in the movie Rain Man."

    Not that anyone seemed to notice or care, but I looked up the Buick that Tom Cruise drove in the 1988 movie Rain Man, with Dustin Hoffman as passenger, and it was a '49 Roadmaster convertible.

    Is it just me, or was that really a beautiful classic car?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You may not believe this, but I actually got to appraise that yellow Buick Roadmaster from "Rain Main". It was involved in some sort of restoration dispute. From down the block and on camera it looked great, but underneath it was a rust bucket I'm afraid. Bad frame rust, very bad.

    Ah, the magic of the movies.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...unusual beige and maroon two-tone 1941 Packard One-Twenty.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Anything like this?
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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Pretty close, except the top portion was maroon and the bottom beige and it was a sedan.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    That color combo even made the cover of the brochure (upside down, that is)
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    That must have been a pretty striking color combination for the time. Didn't most people go for fairly drab colors back then?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Actually it was fairly common. Those color combinations are often typed as "old fashioned" by the restoration community. It's considered somewhat of a faux pas to do up an old car in combinations like maroon and black, or two tones of brown, etc.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Or what I call "70s-80s colors" on a vintage car. Lots of 20s-30s stuff received high end restorations during that time it seems, many in colors I can't imagine were correct.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Actually that's true what you say, and more accurate than my comments. Many 70s and 80s restos were done in what people conceived of as "Gatsby colors".

    I am often amused, in a nice way, how people dress up in their cars but they get their period costumes all wrong for the age of the car. So, too, apparently, the colors.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I've noticed that too, even when I was a kid. You'd see a Duesy in colors that would look right on a 75 Cordoba, accompanied by a couple in costumes from the Titanic. Or you'd see a bright red 1905 brass car with a flapper girl. Anachronisms always irked me, these are very common in movie street scenes too.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Or guys in "boater" straw hats and women in flapper outfits, driving 30s cars is another common mistake. You can see the whole mess in steel if you look at a Clenet or Zimmer car, which glues together parts from the 1910s through the 1960s.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    "...I actually got to appraise that yellow Buick Roadmaster from 'Rain Man'."

    Interesting, but too bad about the frame rust. That car probably hasn't survived. However, movie viewers will see it in all its glory for years or decades, so in a sense the car has survived.

    Question, unrelated to cars: when is it proper to use brackets and when is it correct to use parentheses around names in discussion titles?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think all that just happens automatically.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That brings up another inaccuracy - in so many movies set in the past, all of the cars in street scenes are always shiny and immaculate, most are convertibles or hardtops, and their whitewalls are gleaming. Sure doesn't look like the real street scene shots i have seen.

    The shoes are the killer :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Just a little while ago a pristine looking bustleback Seville drove by my place, in a tasteful blue-grey color, and it had a full metal roof, no vinyl.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    -Studebaker Hawk- I didn't get a good look at this very nice looking off white coupe but it didn't seem to have the exaggerated fins of the post '56 cars, instead it had smallish fins so I think it was a '56, like this one>

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    Hawks of any kind are rare but I 'spect the small finned '56s are really rare.

    -Triumph TR-3A- Faux Brit front plate indicated it was a '59 (59TR3A). Perfect bodywpork, non-period paint color (bright medium blue) and Minilite-style alloys (Panasports?), top down on a gorgeous summer day, he got a thumbs up from me in downtown traffic.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    That brings up another inaccuracy - in so many movies set in the past, all of the cars in street scenes are always shiny and immaculate, most are convertibles or hardtops, and their whitewalls are gleaming. Sure doesn't look like the real street scene shots i have seen.

    A couple years back, when I had my '76 LeMans in that movie shoot, they actually told us NOT to wash or wax the cars. They wanted them to look authentic! They also didn't care if they had nicks, scrapes, or other body damage.

    I finally got to see the movie my car was in, "Talk to Me", a few months ago. Great movie. However, you could only see my car in it for a split second, and only if you knew where to look. And it was only the rear of the car, maybe the lower quarter panel and the back tire. I think I got paid $250 or $275 for that, but had to be on the set from like 5 in the morning till 9 at night, and it was hotter than blazes that day! It was a fun thing to do...once. I'm not too anxious to do it again, though. :shades:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I caught sort of a cute one the other day, on tv. I was watching an episode of "The Waltons", which I confess is a guilty pleasure of mine. John and Olivia were reminiscing about the old days when they were younger, before they got married. John said something along the lines of "Remember when I used to pick you up in that old DeSoto?"

    One little problem. This episode took place in roughly 1936. John-Boy had been in college for awhile, so he was probably about 20. So that would put those days of reminiscence at around 1915. Maybe 1916 if it was a shotgun wedding. Umm, DeSoto didn't hit the market until 1929!

    I imagine most people wouldn't notice something like that, or delve that deeply into it, but it struck me as odd the moment Ralph Waite uttered that line!

    The other day I watched a bad Roger Corman movie called "Cannonball". One of the car was referred to as a "1971 Dodge". Not to be too anal about it, but does this look like a 1971 Dodge to you?! :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Maybe moviemakers have finally found an eye for accuracy. There were beaters on the road in the past just as now, along with normal 10 year old used cars.

    I would love to have my fintail in a movie, even if in a background scene. I would want to be with the car as you were. But, a sky blue fintail is pretty odd and wouldn't have been much more common even 40+ years ago, so that might limit its film use.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Isn't that the Petersen Museum? I visited it last year. They had a cool 1955 Buick Highway Patrol car there.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That is Petersen. I had fun with my new camera b&w settings. I like the street scenes in that museum. It's like you're walking back in time.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Car and Driver has a new feature about the "Most Fun for $25000", and the W210 E55 AMG is listed - I see one of those obscure cars every day

    I am trying to link it, but it doesn't seem to work here.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Seen in London last weekend;
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    OK at a glance this looks like a Rolls_Royce Silver Spirit, but it is a 2-door, and that badge on the rear says Hooper. According to the only reference I can find, they made just one of these for the 1985 Geneva show, but that car is silver in the only photo I can find. Could have been repainted, I suppose.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Well magnette, you surely spotted a rarity then. :surprise:

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    when they make the next blues brothers movie sequel, you can hold out for more money.
    i can see it now, lee iacocca calls them in and tells them they have to go to washington dc to get funding to save chrysler. he tells them, "i did it once, now it's your turn". ;)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Crazy...I swear I actually remember that car from one of the old "World Cars" books or something like that.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    It isn't a Camargue is it? What's with the wheels? The look like they came off a 1987 Lincoln Town Car.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    The Camargue was different looking (in many ways)

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    A weird car, probably really something in the late 70s
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    From that angle, that Camargue really isn't that impressive IMO. Roofline looks sort of like it was lifted off of one of those 70's 2+2 Ferrari's (GT400 or whatever it was called?), or even my old 1980 Malibu coupe! And the rump sort of makes me think of a Chevy Monza notchback!

    I guess that car isn't considered a Rolls Royce high point!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    And it's no better from the front. Granted, it had a 1975 debut so one can't expect much...but still, it's just not their best product.

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    And the funny thing is, as Boomchek and I were discussing...a Camargue was the first large scale metal model I ever had.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    I saw a Camargue the other day, they are still around in West London, as daily drivers, I suppose, and funnily enough, having thought for years what an ugly beast it was, I actually found myself thinking it was not as bad as I remember - perhaps it's just the different look with straight lines instead of all the curvy computer-generated cars we have now...
    Still wouldn't want one though
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That's exactly where I picture those...in the west end of London, bought new by posers with a lot more money than taste or sense. A great car for for motoring at the end of the 70s. Maybe I could see one in Monaco too.

    That 80s coupe you posted is the pinnacle of taste compared to the weird Camargue.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...these were supposedly "aircraft inspired" compared to some ad copy of the time:

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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I find that SCIII coupe to be better proportioned than the Camargue. And those big gawky black steering wheels...not very elegant.

    The coupe looked good as a convertible, in this memorable role:

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I pity the fool who thought they were getting a bargain on that.

    I am very surprised the so-called authorities even knew what it was.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Taking the top off that Olds Ciera must have been easy, compared to converting it from FWD to RWD. Amazing! The person that did that must have been pretty handy with a wrench.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I like that '79 5th Ave. I wonder how much the 4-bbl carb and dual exhaust help with performance? I also dunno how rare the 8-track is. Both my 5th Ave and the base New Yorker have them, and I have a spare one I bought off eBay a couple years ago that supposedly works, but haven't bothered to put it in yet. Maybe he meant to say "rare WORKING 8-track!"

    I even like that '86 Ciera convertible. Normally I hate chopped coupes, but I think that one's one of the better efforts. I like the fact that they worked roll-down rear windows into the design.

    The behemoth Fleetwood is cool, too. Normally I can't stand brown, but that one doesn't bother me. Maybe because it's more caramel than poo? :surprise:

    Kinda neat to see a 1929 DeSoto rat rod (I'm sure some of the perfectionists in my old DeSoto club would have a fit!), but who the hell rebuilds a 305?! Once it blows, don't most people just throw in a 350?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I wonder how many of those Ciera convertibles were made? They were common enough that I've seen several of them. I saw a Century convertible once, too. I don't think they ever converted a 6000 or Celebrity, though. Also, I think that RWD is just a misprint. As far as I know, these things were all FWD. But then, didn't Pontiac offer an AWD version of the 6000? I guess anything's possible.

    One of the most disappointing conversions I ever saw was of an early 80's Monte Carlo. I figured it would be a prime candidate for conversion, because it already had frameless windows, and the fairly short roof should have been easy to make disappear. But this sucker had no side windows in back; it was all top. And it wouldn't go down all the way, sticking up worse than with that Ciera.

    Years ago, the local Pontiac/Dodge dealer had a used Mirada conversion on their lot. I took it for a test drive. It was midnight blue with a white top. It didn't look that good with the top up. It was one monstrous thing that, like the Monte Carlo, did away with any side windows in back, just giving you these little clear plastic slits. But once you put the top down, that sucker was stylin! Just don't try to take it through any railroad crossings, especially if you have loose fillings! :sick:

    Last time I was in the junkyard (about two years ago, getting a new wheel and tire after someone stole one off the Intrepid :cry: ), there was a Mirada convertible in there. For a brief moment, I thought about salvaging it. It looked like it was in good shape and hadn't been picked at yet, but I thought better of it. After all, cars usually go to the junkyard for a good reason, right?
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