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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Talk about pigs, I had an 83 Ciera with the iron duke 4 - loud, crude, gutless, but decent mileage. The car was a lemon and I got rid of it in a couple of years. Came to find out the iron duke didn't seem to have a good longevity record either, so I'm glad I dumped it early.

    I had a 76 Cutlass with the Olds 350 while my wife had the Malibu with the Chevy version. While the Olds was nice on the highway, in town the thing had a huge hesitation problem. You could count to 4 or 5 before acceleration kicked in. It may have been the 4bbl carb. I preferred the Chevy engine and wished my Cutlass had been one of the Chevymobiles because I would have gotten a $500 rebate from GM and a better driving car.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    To go with that E-class evolution, here's S-class evolution:

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Nice. Pretty much every new model is radical compared to the last one, except maybe for the last W221.

    I think the biggest jump was from the W108 o W116.

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  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes Member Posts: 1,019
    My dad had a '84 Firebird with the iron duke 4 and a 4-speed. To drive it, pop the clutch, floor it, wind it up 'till the vibration got real bad, shift, repeat. They had the Firebird, and the 260 Cutlass until they traded it for a '84 Voyager with the smaller of the 4 cyl. engines.

    At least I never got a speeding ticket until I saved enough to buy a '76 Trans-Am with the 455-4 spd. :shades:
    2012 Mustang Premium, 2013 Lincoln MKX Elite, 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Let's Talk DEPRECIATION

    This Bentley T probably sold for around $250K with T&L and all the options....and the price in the ad isn't right...it's just been lowered $10K for a quick sale, so 8 year depreciation is $182K.

    What? Did I just type that? :surprise:

    At 34,000 miles, how much was that per mile?
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Got to be honest, I like the back row better. I think those M-B were more unique cars.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited June 2010
    W116 is an overlooked significant car - probably because the US spec models have ugly bumpers and lights. It's a very modern car for nearing 40 years old - production started in 1972. As seen in Euro trim, it looks much more trim and modern...a good 10 years ahead of its time, just as the W126 was also a decade ahead ...it's also the car marking the transition to the period when MB started chasing the US market in earnest. And they succeeded.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    It all changed with the car at far left, rear. The theme went from traditional to modern.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Cool car, shame about the color. Lots of raw dollars lost...but as a percentage of retained value, maybe not too bad. Go price out a late 90s MB V12....you'll be lucky to hit 10%. Still as you say, enormous cost per mile, just insane.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Was walking today and spotted this parked not far from where I live:

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    Unusual to see one without wires.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Looks like a Jaguar XK120 drop head coupe, about a 1953. Valuable car. Looks great without wires because it has wide whites. This was how most of them first came out. If it had wires, it would be an SE version, also with dual exhausts and special cams and worth an additional 10% or so.

    Quite the sensation in its day, and quite the bargain, too. People went GA-GA over this car, all over the world, in 1949---especially when you compare it to whatever else was usually seen on the road back then.

    About the same price as a Cadillac convertible, but probably the fastest production car in the world at the time.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Yeah, they had one on Top Gear last season...May called it the 1949 equivalent of a Bugatti Veyron for the price of a 5-series. I think I like the hubcap look more than wires...might also look good with blackwalls. It was parked at what I call a "cosmetic maintenance facility" where trophy wives and similar go to trendy workout regimes and such. Maybe a woman drives it...that would be respectable...like the woman I saw driving a freakin BMW 507 a month or two ago.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    They really look nice without wires and without white walls, but that takes the self-confidence to understate one's classic car (not an inherent American trait).
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited June 2010
    I think it depends on the car and whether or not the application is period correct. And even then it can look funny...I have seen period photos of new E-types with whitewalls, silly. My fintail is going to need new tires eventually...and I hope to find a nice set of period correct whitewall radials for it. I wonder how many XK120s had wide whites when new.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Maybe the owner/operator of the cosmetic maintenance facility parks his car there to attract customers. ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I don't know if 60+ year old men are his target market :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    That thing looks to be in fantastic condition, but I have to imagine keeping it on the road could be expensive and dramatic. A good one to detail and take to shows, maybe...you'll be the only one. Where would Audi be now without Quattro?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited June 2010
    The 100LSs big buga-boo was overheating. Doesn't it get warm in Germany or were they in an Ice Age in the 1970s? Their AC sucked back then, too.

    My 100LS was a great road car---very comfortable, a trooper in the snow and aside from the engine getting hot enough to smelt iron ore, pretty reliable.

    My friend Rhonda had one, just like mine except it had no reserve gear---so she'd put a lug wrench with a long lever on a front wheel to leverage it out of her parking space. Clever. I think finally the studs broke off so she had to push it out.

    We thought once about combining the two cars since hers had a great interior and a strong engine, and mine a good trans, excellent body.

    Then we had another couple beers and forgot about that stupid idea.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    I wonder how many XK120s had wide whites when new.

    Probably most of the 120s sold in the US had them but only a minority of Euro-spec models. Same applies to wire wheels I think. Many early XK-120s came w rear wheels skirted which IMO looks cool.>

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    Practically every E-Type sold in the US before 1970 came on wires w whitewalls.
    The white stripes got skinnier as the years progressed.

    I remember trying to talk my buddy into going w blackwalls on his '67 XK-E Coupe (to no avail).

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The skirts looked cool but were a bad idea, as they retained heat on the rear brakes---and the brakes on the early 120s were bad enough as it was. The car was quite under-braked for its power.

    This is a "man's car"---heavy steering, very clunky gearbox---you had to put some muscle into the car to move it around. The manhole-sized steering wheel helped a lot with leverage.

    Batteries were in the fenders I believe, which made for great fun on cold mornings when you had to jump start.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I actually saw an E-type roadster with whitewalls today. Also an MG Midget, a late 50s-early 60s VW cabrio, a late 60s Beetle driven by a young woman who flashed me a peace sign (I was in the fintail) a mid-30s Dodge coupe with a rumble seat, a couple of 70s vintage Porsches, and a weird replicar of a Ferrari 250 California...was proportioned well enough, but wearing wheels and having a sound that betrayed its looks.

    I also had my old beast out, yesterday it received its yearly deep cleaning.

    50 years difference in design

    Still photogenic after so many years
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336
    was chatting yesterday with a guy I know, who happened to be wearing a Porsche club T shirt. I knew he had one, but not which one.

    Turns out he has a 1988 944 Turbo S. With 244K on the clock, so no garage queen! Still takes it to the track events too.

    Now I just have to figure out a way to go see it!

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  • martianmartian Member Posts: 220
    An IMMACULATE 1967 Rambler Ambassador (33,000 miles), showroom condition.
    The car is almost new..only new seat covers added. It also has the 1920's technology vacuum powered wipers!<img src="
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    A 944 Turbo, properly set up, equipped and well-driven, is still a formidable car and would give many a new sports car fits on the track.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Still looks great!!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Thanks. It got a bit of attention when I had it out too, probably due to the (finally) nice weather. Several waves and nods and such. It's running as well as I can hope for, but I think time is coming for some valve work, the brakes and tires are also 10+ years old, so that will be on the list eventually too.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited June 2010
    Today's oddity - early 90s 240SX convertible. Also saw an earlier NSX.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    56 Chevrolet 4-door, maybe a 150? Blue with a white top, and one white door, bondo in rear fender, no front bumper. Driven by a man about 90--140 years old, with thick glasses and straw hat, about 15 mph entering a California freeway ramp.

    I did not look back.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    I learned in CA last Fall when after having a flat, my tire was too old to repair. The manager of Discount Tires in Dublin said it was a federal regulation & he couldn't touch it.

    After arriving home, I bought new tires so when one of them goes flat, it can be repaired.

    They were only 12 year old Michelin X's. :confuse:
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    edited June 2010
    There's a 1988 Porsche 944 for sale on BAT with only 28K miles which has to be pretty obscure.

    Seller reports the following issues:

    Needs tires-still rolling on originals currently.
    Needs timing belt/water pump replaced-never done apparently.
    Left front fender "replaced."
    An inop passenger window and leaking windshield washer reservoir, plus...
    "a speed dependent noise from the right rear but no vibration &#150; it may indicate a wheel bearing needing repair."

    Seller wants $11K. Lacking the performance of your friend's Turbo S, any fun left in a car like this?
    A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I wonder what the cutoff age is for repairing a tire? The tires on my '57 DeSoto date back to the summer of 1993. I doubt if they even have 1,000 miles on them, but at 17 years of age, I don't want to take a chance of one of them blowing out once that car gets on the road again, so new tires is on the to-do list for that car.

    The spare tire could be original, for all I know! When my 2000 Intrepid got junked, I held onto its compact spare. Maybe I should throw that in the trunk of the DeSoto, just in case. It uses the same bolt pattern, although I'm sure a tiny compact spare would really throw off the handling.

    The tires on my '67 Catalina were at least 14 years old when I finally got them replaced. They were on the car when I bought it back in 1994, and truth be told, they didn't look so hot back then!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Not only no fun, but lilttle value. Sounds like a neglected pile that's only good either for parts donation or for some big bucks $$$ to shape it up. His asking price is....well...the nut does not fall far from the tree....is all I can say.

    I could flatbed a nice 1988 Porsche 944 to your house for about $5500 delivered.

    If it were a clean #2 1989 S2 model, maybe $11,000.

    Geez, the last thing you want in a Porsche is one that's been sitting around. A Porsche is not discredited or much devalued by high mileage, and low mileage is, IMO, considered a liability to most Porsche buyers.

    Just looking at the list I'm seeing $5K in repairs, and that's what we DO know.

    Value? Parts car, at least in terms of the formula of "cost to repair vs. cost to buy one already done".

    As for fun, I dunno--opening up an old crate like this is scary---what if the engine is NG? Car's totalled right there.

    This isn't a Celica. This car is a *b--h* to fix right.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    I wonder what the cutoff age is for repairing a tire?

    My understanding is that the rubber degrades to the point where tires are no good after seven years. Been thinking about replacing the 10 y/o (never used in regular
    rotation) spare in my trunk.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yep, 7 years is pushin' it.

    It's not only safety----they get very hard and inflexible, and give a lousy ride. I suppose for an old farm truck, this doesn't matter, but for a daily commuter, old tires can really ruin the ride. Sometimes people get used to the harsh ride and don't notice the degradation until they get new tires---then, the revelation occurs! :shades:
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    I can't believe people think it is a "screaming deal" at $11K. If the service was up to date and the problems fixed, it might be worth $8K to the right guy. $11K is Turbo money.

    This one for example.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited June 2010
    it's not even worth $8K. It's not even worth $2500 dollars. People aren't reading the ad...this car needs ENGINE work. YIKES! And really, have Porsche brake calipers EVER failed to freeze up from non-use? And body damage? Yeah, matching red paint on a 22 year old car should be real easy.

    The turbo you listed is TWICE the car for 2/3 the price. (actually a bit of a steal if it's really nice).

    Here's one---clean, professionally rebuilt, chipped, custom wheels, new water pump and timing belt, for $7500 asking price.

    http://cars-on-line.com/35056.html
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Surely it is worth $2500, maybe not to you.

    I figure mine is worth $2500 and it has 146K and isn't as nice cosmetically. Of course it has less than 10K miles on the clutch, the water pump/timing belt, injectors and the tires. That is $4K or so of maintenance right there, all of which this other car probably needs. I wouldn't be surprised if it needs motor mounts too among other things.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    But c'mon, "The sole owner of this 1988 Porsche 944 is a true sports car enthusiast, having owned MG and Triumphs in the 50&#146;s and been deeply involved with the Sports Car Club of America in its infancy"

    That, by itself, apparently is worth at LEAST $8,000 :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I remember soon after I bought the tires on that car, I got a flat (hit a piece of nearly invisible rebar on the road, which destroyed the tire), and limped to the shop on a spare. The spare in the car is an ancient early 70s (I don't think it is the original) bias ply...the guy at the tire shop almost lectured me about it not being safe. I didn't take it too seriously though...it's still in the car :shades:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I don't think it's worth $2500 to anybody. I mean, do the math. You have a car that, if clean and running well, might be worth $8000. It needs engine work and body work. A Porsche 944 is among the most maintenance-intensive cars in the world, short of a Ferrari or an exotic. A timing belt and water pump is $2000 in any good shop. A clutch is part of a torque-tube, front-engine/rear transaxle arrangement. That ain't cheap.

    In my humble opinion, a person would have to be flat out nuts to pay more than $2500 for this car.

    The tragedy of it all is that when you are done, you just have a non-turbo 944, rated a "D" investment in Sports Car Market, with a current yearly depreciation rate of 22%.

    I mean, common sense has to prevail here.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    edited June 2010
    I plan to keep driving mine on the weekends until something major breaks and then I'll put it on eBay and see if I can get $500 or so out of it. I've resists the temptation to put any money into it other than some $69 seat covers. It has given me $2500 of driving pleasure. It even did admirably when pressured into daily driver use for a few months last year.

    My "good luck" is largely because the guy before me took a bath on it. He paid $5400 for it and put more than $4000 of maintenance into it in a little over a year. So, I've been coasting on his $7000 loss.
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    edited June 2010
    Value? Parts car, at least in terms of the formula of "cost to repair vs. cost to buy one already done".

    That's the way to look at it: The Money Pit Calculator or something. :sick:

    edited to add: Went back and found posts #12660 and #12662 regarding a 944 discussion 3 years ago in this topic. "Yeah it never ends. A 944 is a car you want to buy only one way, and that is MINT."
    A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...light green 1957 Ford Fairlane two-door sedan at the corner of Bingham Street and Martins Mill Road in NE Philly.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    I saw a TR-3A on the way into a supermarket parking lot. You'd be lucky to get more than a six pack into that tiny trunk.
    The car was in good shape but unfortunately was painted a very non-period medium metallic blue that did nothing for it. It had wire wheels and good chrome (not the wheels, those were painted silver gray).

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I also saw a Triumph today, a TR-6...on the back of a flatbed tow truck. Natural setting for a period British car...

    Today I also saw a maybe late 70s-early 80s Alfa Spider with what seemed like a larger than normal rear spoiler. Also spotted an AWD Tempo in a BHPH ad in a used car rag.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Speaking of Tempos, I recently saw a Topaz two-door that looked like it had just rolled of the showroom floor. :confuse:

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Back in my pizza delivery days, there was one house in the area that had THREE Tempos in the driveway. Either the owners got a bulk rate on the things, or they didn't learn from their mistakes. :P

    About a week and a half ago, I was in that area and drove down that street, to see if any of them were left. No Tempos to be seen, but there was an older Windstall minivan and an Aspire in the driveway. Dunno if that's a step up, down, or sideways?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I suspect there are still some pristine little old lady Tempos and especially Topaz out there.

    From Tempo to Windstall and Aspire...sideways at best. A Tempo might actually be more durable than one of those vans. Ford has certainly improved right along with GM.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Back in my pizza delivery days, there was one house in the area that had THREE Tempos in the driveway. Either the owners got a bulk rate on the things, or they didn't learn from their mistakes.

    Funny you should mention that, as a few weeks ago while on delivery duty I saw not one, but TWO, Land Rover Freelanders parked in a driveway.

    Masochists? Perhaps the homeowner is a LR mechanic? There's gotta be a good reason why that is.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    I suspect there are still some pristine little old lady Tempos and especially Topaz out there.

    The woman who got into the Topaz I saw looked to be 50ish.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

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