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#1 - Go to your Honda dealer to sit in the Odyssey and
the Pilot and test drive to get a quick idea of the
seat comfort.
#2 - The Odyssey and Pilot's seats are very comfortable.
Most Hondas do have very well paded seats, and are
very cushiony.
#3 - When you go to the Ex Fabric trims the fabric
quality is a little better.
Hope this is useful
That said, I still like the vehicle, Hopefully, after driving my salesperson crazy test driving, I'll find one that is relatively quiet (I drove one that was, but was not the color I wanted) doesn't shake, and has a moonroof that will close. Then we can start dealing.
I think you're in for a rough road, but if you ever resolve your noise issue, PLEASE write back and tell us how it was done.
Will
Ironically, the driver's seat on the LX, which has a spartan, manually adjustment, seems to naturally set in a more suitable position to see the guages, so I may opt for it, and add the missing features as needed.
Had the same problems with a BMW 318i and Infiniti G35x. Had the 318 in Germany. 3 visits to BMW service shops there netted zero results. 5 more years of rattling. Then one day I just theorized the window wasn't sitting in the frame properly. I tested it by pressing on the window and noticed the rattles would stop.
Anyway, all I did to cure the problem for the first 2 cars was roll the windows down, open the door, brace my knee against the door panel, and pull the top of window frames SLIGHTLY (careful here) towards me. You can feel it flex just a little. In the BMW, I had to pull outwards. The Infiniti was tricky because I bent it one way and that made the rattle/click WORSE. So then I had to bend the other way (to about the original spot, then further). I had to watch not to dent the door. Was bending this way and that, but the frame held.
So my reaction today was a smile while thinking "Why can't manufacturers get this right?", and yet another chance to do my low-budget, left-field fix.
I pulled over and stopped in a parking lot and bent the two window frames IN all but about 1/8". Took about 30 seconds per window. Gave it a "bumpy" test drive. So far, it's working like a champ.
Thing is, if the rattling returns, I'll have to decide whether to bend the frame in further and risk wind noise/door closing issues/window closing issues/frame weakening or bend it the opposite way. BTW, it looks stupid when it's being done. My wife isn't happy about the bending, but heck, those frames are attached strong right? Right??!!
Certainly not recommended fix (although a buddy who scoffed at this fix went ahead and tried it on an old 745i and it worked), and my theory could be way off, but so far I'm 3 for 3 in curing the rattles/clicks.
I better not read here there is a TSB for this! LOL.
The manual recommends 91 octane when towing--does this mean I could also get better gas mileage if I use a higher octane gasolene? Has anybody tried it and made a decision? Thanks in advance.
While Honda does reimburse dealers for warranty repairs, they are fairly stingly with the amounts; this is to prevent dealers from doing unnecessary work to keep their service bays humming. There is a constant push/tug between the dealer and the mfg to keep their warranty costs "in line with expectations". Thus, dealers are under consistent and relentless pressure to reduce their warranty claims to a minimum and are icented to do so by a wide variety of programs. And this is why a certain dealer on a certain month whose claims are down for a period may be quite happy to do a borderline repair while a different dealer on a different month will fight tooth-and-nail to deny problems and keep their warranty work down.
Dealers would much rather fill their service bays with $1200 brake jobs and $600 30K inspections where they make $150/hour rather than the $50/hour they effectively get from Honda's warranty repairs at Honda's sharp-pencil flat rate schedules.
- Mark
if they've swapped the radio, and if your vehicle isn't incurring some terrible vibration, the cause of station skips => could be use of the search function?
ok - presuming you are not using the unit incorrectly (consult your owner's manual), i'd be inclined first to believe you have an intermittent supply of power to the radio/CD. the wierd thing is you are saying this also occurs with the cassette... (?) i would be looking in the owner's manual for the location of the fuse that handles the radio and i'd make sure it was inserted firmly in it's position.
now then - I don't own a pilot nor a NAV configuration in my Odyssey. Do you have steering mounted controls? Do they have a search button on the steering wheel? If so, I might suggest someone examine the "clockspring", the device that is mounted on the shaft of the steering column, and maintains electrical continuity between the vehicle's electronics, and the steering wheel mounted controls (cruise, radio, horn) and air bag as the wheel is turned from one extreme to the other. maybe there is an intermittent short on the contacts for the "search function".
I read about front seat complaints in this forum before I made my purchase ,however, I find that the cloth seats are wonderful and even on a recent 2000 mile trip I experienced no lower back pain like I have had in most other cars and suv's I have owned. Mileage is less than expected and I find varies wildly with conditions (a low of 14MPG and a high of 23MPG)
One complaint is that the steering wheel has never been straight. It sits at a slight angle. The car drives so nice and tracks straight so I opted not to re-align and just live with it.
One thing I really miss that I had on my 99 blazer is the tailgate glass opening seperatly from the hatch. No need to open a big hatch to throw in a soccer ball.
i have honda pilot 2003, and its giving 18-20 mpg. so far the only problem it has had is that the AC died. honda dealership charged me the labor costs and honda provided AC without charge even though the car was outside of warranty. dealership said thats its unusual for AC to die that early in the course of life of car (50 K), so thats why honda replaced it without cost.
its due for 67500 miles service. so far i have been getting the service at honda dealership. should i get the service only at honda dealership or are there other solutions available. problem with honda in my area is that they wont open on saturdays, and on weekdays they open only 9 to 5 when i am working.
what are some other choices available are they as good as a dealership. how bout oreilly, sears auto center, walmart? or any others. Thanks for your responses.
I can probably live with this intermittant problem, as we are not in cold weather often. We live near San Francisco. However, if this is a sign that the audio will fail more often in warmer termperatures or that this is a common problem that the dealer should fix, then I would like to find out what anyone else's experiences are.
Thanks
I have had many automatic transmission vehicles over the last 30 years and have never found it hard to move the shift lever from drive to a lower gear.
Does my Pilot have a problem that the dealer does not recognize or is everyone else with a 2006 Pilot experiencing a similar difficulties moving the shift lever down from Drive to lower gears?
If you're in the mode where the dealer is saying something is "normal" that you feel it is not, there's an easy solution - drive another model on the lot and compare.
- Mark
tom
My dealer made sure to tell me 3 times, and sign a statement, that they would charge me $99.95 for diagnosis time if they couldn't find the problem. This was despite knowing the check engine light had been on (off when I brought it in) and the problem code was still stored in the car's memory (see #1458 and related posts). Fortunately they found the problem (TSB 04-007), but there I was at the Service counter, the car wasn't showing the uncontrolled revving problem at the moment, but I also didn't want to risk my wife being surprised by uncontrolled revving when she least expected it - like at a busy intersection.
The Navi is fantastic!
- Mark
fluid changes, etc..........
- Mark
Deedee
- Mark
system, so maybe I got spoiled. This one is
garbled and the speakers rattle. Question to
the forum, are just the speakers bad and maybe
I should have them all replaced or I am wondering if XM provided a cheap radio to Honda to get subscription business and it needs to come out too. Any advice?
The folks who have made improvements think the place to start is the speakers, but the head unit isn't great either. But the speakers are a good first step. I'm looking for drop-in/minimal-mod recommendations for speaker replacement also.
- Mark
Replace the speakers first. It doesn't matter what amp you're using, if the speakers stink so does your sound. If it's still not enough, you can install a Line Output Converter and replace the stock amp and still allow you to use the headunit and the steering wheel controls. If that's still not enough, then replace the headunit. And remove the thrid row seats to make room for your amps, 4 Subs, neon, etc.
Good luck!
tom
Do you live in a state that has a lemon law? Check it out.
Also, you probably need to work with the dealer to correct the problem. I am not a lawyer, but I would FIRST try to get the dealer under the warranty to fix it for you.
Here in Ca, er. Disneyland, we have a lemon law.
Good luck to you.
Good luck to all and stay safe.
jensad
By the way, the sound system in the LX, as basic as it is, does not sound bad. Nor is the seat covering cheap feeling. I'm really leaning toward the LX, with lots of the accessories that I want, without the things I don't. Might not be a bad way to go.
Will
I doubt undercoating will make any significant difference. Instead, I'd try a different tire that is known for being relatively quiet. If the noise is still unacceptable, I'd trade for a RX350.
- Mark
There are two other messages in this forum that had the same problems - message 1171 & 1504. Seems that Honda may have a safety issue on their hands. The smoke that pours out of the radio is going to get someone killed.
1.) While 27k miles on the odometer, it was summer time in North East of US, I was playing a CD at a pretty high volume....approx one hour into the session when smoke started to bellow out from the stereo and the LCD display got all browned out. I immediately ejected the CD and turned off the radio and took it to the dealer in the next couple of days. They checked and even took me for a drive with the same CD playing at full volume and no smoke. I haven't seen this issue after that. I didn't have to pay a dime as it was still under warranty.
2.) At the start of every summer (ever since I bought my Pilot), I have to take it in for an Freon recharge. The dealer told me that there was probably a pinhole leak somewhere in the line which caused the Freon to escape during Winter (the funny part is that I do use AC during winter with the heat turned on). I have had to do this for two years now. The dealer has supposedly fix the leak for good. Lets see what happens in summer of 2006.