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Sam
Ours took about a week after leaving the factory in Canada. But they even told us at one point the truck broke down, etc. So it was delayed delayed delayed. But, in the end, it showed up only one day later than they originally quoted.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Thanks
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Elliot
Since I'll be buying it in July and the new models come out soon after that, should I be negotiating a better deal since in a matter of a month or two, my car will be "a year old" when the "05's come out. Thanks for any advice on this.
EXACTLY. For that price, I'd get a newer one, no question about it. I'd be willing to spend quite a bit more on a newer one, as a matter of fact. Why buy something that, when you drive it off the lot, would have one year more of deprecation? It would have to be a significant discount to make up for it.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Yes, that Pilot may be "a year old", but it won't have any miles on it either.
So, four years later when you go to sell it, it'll have a years less miles on it than most similar ones making it worth more.
And that's not even getting into the possibilites of what changes they may make in '05. May be no changes, but may be big changes.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
As far as new features, I don't care about a sunroof. The only thing that would make a big difference would be side curtain airbags but that's not going to happen in 2005 I understand.
By the way, does anyone know what a reasonable price would be for the towing package including hitch, oil and transmission coolers? They get about $950 which sure seems like a lot!
Something the dealers in jersey should learn.
Since they are built in Alabama, I wouldn't expect more than a week for transit once you have the VIN.
They're built in Canada. Ontario, to be more specific.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
The financial person mentioned extended warranty to me but I trusted Honda's reputation. He didn't explain anything more and didn't try to sell anything else to me. I wrote him a check and told him to charge $2500 on my discover card. This buying experience was almost as pleasant as my last buying experience when I bought my BMW 325i -- no haggle -- settled a price over the internet then get a little bit better depending on the car you would like to get on site.
I didn't trade in my old car. I got the Edmund dealer suggested price (the highest one) on my car through a private party deal. It was easy and pleasant on the net since I didn't have to post anything and showed many people on my old car.
I just wish the state I lived (WA) wouldn't screw you on the sales tax. Only dealers are allowed to charge tax on the delta, so if you sell privately, you effectively end up paying sales tax on whatever your old car is worth.
- Mark
I used internet dept to get the quotes and emails to bargain...
Sam.
As you pointed out, you only pay tax on the difference. In a lot of other states,you will pay tax on the entire price of the new car!
We are actually lucky we have this considering how we get taxed to death on everything else!
Oh yeah...I have to keep reminding myself...we have no state income tax!
The net effect is that selling privately rather than trading with the dealery carries a tax penalty of about 9% of the value of the trade.
Several states have tested this type of law in courts and found it illegal to reserve this tax break to dealers only. In these states, you can file paperwork to show you sold a car within 90-days of buying a new car and get a tax credit for the value of the car you sold.
If you are negotiating a deal and mention you are considering selling privately, dealers will typically mention this tax consequence. This break allows them to reduce their trade-in offer because they know you will have to pay extra tax if you sell privately. It also discourages shopping at non-local dealerships because of the difficulty, time, and expense of driving your trade-in to distant dealerships for a deal that may or may not be consumated.
This special break to dealers is maintained in the WA legislature at considerable expense by the dealer lobby and with generous contributions to legislators' campaign funds.
In short, it's a crock.
- Mark
thanks - jess
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I had never heard of states doing what you say. I know, in California buyers pay the FULL sales tax based on the price of the car. The trade makes no difference.
Also, trades are worth what they are worth. If we don't offer enough, the shopper will either sell it themselves or look for another dealer willing to pay more for it.
Nothing sinister here.
How can I find the information related to this matter?
Thanks in advance..
For example, here's the FAQ for New York that spells out how NY collects car sales taxes.
Steve, Host
State sales tax rules are available on the net, but are hard to find in one place.
isellhondas, I you can certainly look at a dealers-only sales tax break as better than no break at all. OTOH, if the break were to be eliminated all-together tomorrow, states would presumably see their tax revenues rise so that tax rates could be lowered for everyone, or at least, a sale tax rate hike could be postponed. It is, after all, a zero-sum game when the day is done. Every tax break has to eventually be paid for by everyone.
We're way off topic with respect to how much people are paying for Pilots, so I'll bow out on that.
- Mark
Good Luck.
The low mark-up surprised me. There are about 5 or 6 Honda dealers locally, and initially they were all talking in terms of small amounts off MSRP, and two had dealer ad-on stickers that grossly inflated the price. So I called Costco to see if their auto buying service could do better. Turns out that no local Honda dealers were participating in the Costco program, but Coggin Honda in Orlando did. Their price was "only" $900 over invoice, so I was prepared to drive the 100 miles to get the better price.
Before I did, I emailed each of the internet salesman at the local dealers, and to my surprise, they each offered to match the Coggin Orlando pricing. I went to Duval Honda, and they had the exact car I was looking for. If I was willing to sign that day, they would do even better, at just 2% over invoice. Obviously I jumped at the opportunity.
So, today, I'm a happy camper with new EX-L at a price I could afford.
*Accepted quote and they had my car via a swap in one week.
*Sent me pictures of my EX with VIN. Did not even have to ask for it.
*Finaced thru MP, got a good low rate through Chase Bank.
*Sent me ALL the paperwork (with stickey arrows to show me where to sign) via Airborne Express with a PRE-PAID return Airborne Express envelope.
*Flew out of LaGuardia at a cost of $70 on Air-Tran and guess who told me about it... Mike Pruitt.
*Was picked up at the airport by Mike Pruitt driver.
*Arrived at dealership. Car was already.. walked me through the particulars of the car. Was in and out in one hour!! Even suggested a great hamburger place close by.
Drove home in 7 hours with 2 stops.
Pilot drove great!!
Total cost savings including airfare and car service to airport $1400!!!!!
Thank You Mike Pruitt. NJ Honda dealers take notice on how to do business....
We then tried to get a deal locally and struck out. Every Honda dealer within 100 miles wanted MSRP, the best internet deal we could do locally was 300 under MSRP.
During our research I found some folks getting great deals in OH, but OH was 450 miles away. A quick email to Mike Pruitt Honda in Akron, OH confirmed a price of $400 over invoice and that they would find an LX or order 1. The search was a bust so the internet sales manager ordered a Silver LX and honored the agreed upon price. 2 weeks later the car was in and we picked it up yesterday.
The internet sales manager and the finance manager at MP Honda were stellar. In and out in under an hour. It was by far the easiest car puchase I've ever done, and this is our 3rd car purchased over the net.
While we were in OH we visited the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but that's a story for another post.
I cannot say enough about our out of state purchase, I'd do it again in a heart beat. Mike Pruitt Honda is the best!
I got to tell you the internet manager in Mike Pruitt was so honest, professional and helpful. The way they treat their customer is unbelievably well. I truly respect the way they conduct business.
The 7+ hours drove back was little long to me. But for $1600 of savings, I have no problem with it at all.
I also received my VIN number but no picture. I keep asking the salesman to send me one and he says that they are really busy and doesn't think he can get around to it. Who did you deal with at Mike Pruitt? If you can't mention people's names on this discussion initials would be fine.
I'll post my full experience once I get my vehicle.
Also, how does it work if there is a problem with the car after devilery. Will any New York Honda service department handle issues that come up with an Ohio purchased car. Sorry if these questions seem so basic but I really have no clue. Thanks for any help!
As far as service issues... if it is a warranty issue any Honda dealer will service the car.
I saved $1400 and think it was well worth the litte extra effort I put in... e.g. the 7 hour drive from Ohio to NJ
I purchased a Honda Odyssey EX-L on April 28 with Burnsville Honda in Burnsville, MN. I paid invoice - $500 (Honda mkting support incentive?) for the van. I could not get a Pilot for less than MSRP - $500. We love the van and we could not justify the price difference between Pilot and Odyssey at this time. We liked Toyota Highlander but it is a bit too small and it was hard to get kids in and out of the 3rd row. Liked Sienna but again, hard to justify the price difference. Good luck with your search/purchase!