2013 and earlier BMW 3-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience

kyfdx

1) The residual for 12K/year lowers the residual by 1%.. at your MSRP level, that is about $13/mo. more... If you want 15K/yr, lower the residual by 3% and add around $40/mo to the 10K/yr. payment...

2) I thought that selling price was a pretty good discount also... although, I didn't check the lease numbers..

regards,
kyfdx
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tn0105

Yes, that's the final price. I ordered it at Fairfax BMW in Fairfax, VA. If you plan on stopping by....I can give you my salesperson's name too.

pingmyday7

2006 325i
Premium Package
Heated Seats
Automatic Trans
Sat Prep
MSRP ~ $36,345
Price Paid ~ $34,345

Finance Numbers ~ 4.9%/60-months

kyfdx

Thanks!!
kyfdx
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kenyon

First, of all it was an '05 and there was a 4000 rebate at the time. List was 43,795. Car had premium and cold weather packages, pre wired for Sirius, auto transmission, xenons, BMW Assist leather seats etc. The rebate is not available on '06s. The message I responded to had the same dealer discounting an '06 by only $1000. My feeling is he should be able to get $2-2,500 off without much problem and this dealership will negotiate extended maintenance and warranty at the time of sale. I got the extended maintenance at 1/3 off. Didn't get the warranty and now that I have the car they won't discount the warranty price.

flyinbrian

I have been test driving cars for the last two weeks and I have made my decision. Here is what I decided on. By the way the Lexus IS350 was nice but just doesn’t compare to the BMW

2006 330i Sedan 36,600
Destination Charge 695
Sparkling Graphic Paint 475
Black Dakota Leather
Burl Walnut Wood Trim Included
Premium Package 2,200
Sport Package 1,600
Heated Front Seats 500
On Board Nav w/ IDrive 2,000
Comfort Access 500
Satellite Radio 595

Total MSRP 45,165

I am looking for a 3 Year Lease (12,000/yr) with zero down. What sort of pricing should I pay for this vehicle and/or what have others paid? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone has the residual and money factors on this vehicle that info would be great to know also. I live in Michigan so tax would be 6%.

david22

I am looking at a 2006 330i or 2006 330xi...the xi is only 1300 more. Do you think the xi will handle as good as the 330i? I noticed the xi weight distribution is different and it has steel sub frame etc...I like the idea of AWD but will it out handle, match, or be inferior to the regular 330i? I am getting 18" and Sport Pkg on both. Other question, is 3,000 off MSRP for either ok? I can get the xi for 41,250 with:

Prem Pkg
Cold Wthr Pkg
18" Upgrade
Power Rear Shade
Sport Pkg
Sat Prep

Thanks for any help...

gadawg1

Thanks 8sperstar8. I found the same pics after some hunting. They're of the new M3, but if the coupe looks basically the same, then it should be nice. I found some other M3 pics from www.autobild.de and they are REAL nice.

Check this out: http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050228.001/bmw/1.html
The pics are down to the right.

kyfdx

Well... I can guarantee you that the 330i with sport package and 18" wheels will run rings around a 330xi... no matter if it has sport pkg and/or 18" wheels...

Though.. you might ask other member's impressions on the subject here:

BMW 3-Series 2006+

regards,
kyfdx
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P.S.: $3K off MSRP sounds like a good deal.

kyfdx

'06 330i.....

3yr/36K lease

63% residual.. .00225 money factor..

regards,
kyfdx
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sr4b1

Please tell us the dealership where you've gotten (or seen) the best price on a 2006 330i. That is, how much above invoice (I don't think anyone has gotten invoice or below, but I'd love to find out...)

The cheapest TEXAS dealer is Autoplex bmw. I've emailed all of them for a quote on a fully loaded 2006 330i.
sport
premium,
nav
comfort access
park distance
auto

This is autoplex bmw's reply:
"Thanks for the inquiry. We will discount a vehicle equipped the way you have specified $1000 from the MSRP including the floormats. This vehicle would have to be ordered. Give me a call if you have any additional questions."

I was seriously hoping to find a place no more than $500 over invoice. I figure even if it's out of state, then it might be worth the hassle and cost of having it shipped to me. (Hopefully, the dealer will split the cost...)

calif65gm

You can try Costco pricing.

atom987us

Does any body know what is a good price to pay for the following Car
2006 BMW 325i
Automatic
Metallic Finish
Heated Seats
Satellite Radio Prep.

I spoke to couple of dealers and the best I got was

The MSRP is close 33,845, the dealer quote close 32,500 ( including the floor mats)

Appreciate your responses

bdr127

I was seriously hoping to find a place no more than $500 over invoice.

Pretty unheard of to get $500 over invoice.... The best people are getting is $1000 over on in-stock cars. For your rare configuration, the dealer is right when they say they'd have to order it.... I can't imagine they'd take a short deal on a loaded, special order car like that, either.

rroyce10

.... **I was seriously hoping to find a place no more than $500 over invoice .... **

Food for thought .....

The average Bimmer dealer sells 50/60 vehicles a month, some a little more, some a little less .. the average Ford store sells 150/200 vehicles a month ..... trying to get $500 over invoice on an 06 that has limited numbers and limited ordering capabilities isn't very attractive to the BMW dealer, it's actually a loser for the store ... but if you look long enough and far enough anything is possible ..... keep in mind, it's a Bimmer - and having the local service manager on your side is always a good thing ........ what price glory...?



Terry

urnuts

I'm confused by this current discussion.
I, too, need to order my car- why, I don't know, but I can't seem to find one- nor can my dealer(s). I am fairly particular, so it's not too surprising.
'06 330i
6-Speed
Premium
Sport
Arctic w/ either Terra or Beige leather
My logic would dictate that a special order car for a customer- money down, financing all set, etc is a no-brainer for the dealer. The damn thing is sold before it even comes off the truck!
Why is this scenario less attractive to a dealer- and why would a dealer not "do a little better", knowing it's an easy deal?

calif65gm

Well actually it's not all set. You haven't paid for anything (only a deposit which is refundable in most cases) and you can walk on the deal anytime.

Especially if the ordered car has unusual specs and then you don't like it when it arrives then the dealer is mostly likely stuck with a more difficult to sell car.

Also keep in mind you can keep negotiating with another dealer the whole time that you're waiting and cancel and re-order if you don't mind starting over. So there's a lot more to it.

Anyways good luck.

bdr127

I'll also add that if you have your "financing all set" (I presume you mean you are financing somewhere other than through the dealership?), then the dealer knows that they aren't going to make any money through the finance department. With that in mind, why would they lower the selling price even more?

ad42197

Just drove the sport 330i and the std 330i. The sport has a better feel of the road and handles sharper. The difference in stiffness was not felt much by me or my wife. A slight difference but nothing we could noticeably tell. The car has great pickup and sounds awesome when punching the accelerator. The steptronic is easy to use. The sport seats were a bit smaller since I am a big guy but nothing to defer me from getting the sport pack.

Tell me if this is a good deal:
Sparkling Graphite Metallic
Automatic, Htd Seats, BMW Assist, Sport Package
MSRP 41,895
Price Paid 40, 095
.63 residual, .00225 MF $5000 out of pocket for taxes, cap cost red, first month, sec deposit, title & reg. Monthly Pmt 483.94.

Thanks. Cant wait till it arrives in early December!

rroyce10

..**My logic would dictate that a special order car for a customer**

**money down**: What money down.? .. $500/$1,500..? .. a dealer needs to get a non-refundable security deposit just in case a buyer switches to another vehicle like an Acura, Prius, they get transferred or they get tired of waiting and buy a blue one with green stripes from another dealer - and it happens everyday.

**financing all set**: That means nothing to the dealer .. they lose their reserve of $150/$250

**no-brainer for the dealer,
The damn thing is sold before it even comes off the truck!**:

Until it's sold, delivered, they scratch off the MSO and get their money from the lender, the dealer has nothing but a "maybe" .... in the meantime, the dealer starts paying floorplan on the vehicle the day the "dated" invoice hits the dealer and thats usually around 1/3 weeks before the vehicle actually hits the ground - at that time they are paying a quarter point over Prime, so the clock is ticking away the profit before it hits the lot ....

When it gets off the transport the customer is notified, it's PDI'd (serviced) and detailed .... usually as an average, the dealer is looking at 48/72 hrs by the time the customer gets time off work and they get their final $$ ... and you would be **amazed** how many times a customer will have a personal check, credit card or something of unacceptable means that the dealer has to wait for .....

I understand, and "you" understand that you're going to spend $35k ... but the dealer only see's $500 of it .. but you want the dealer to make $500 - and then pay his service, sales staff and the lights ..... think about it, how often would you do it..? ....





Terry.

clborl

Hi Chipzar. I also recently purchased a 2006 325i and I love the car - but my dealer can't figure out how to get my Treo 650 fully functional.

I can accept calls through the bluetooth in the car, but I can't dial out unless it's from the phone and my address book will not download.

Did your dealer have to get special instuctions to hook yours up? Would you mind sharing whatever your dealer did to get yours up and running?

Thanks so much,
clborl

dl7265

You might try the Dealer in Temple,. but to be honest there are no "great" deals to be had in TX. Its just a fact . IF your willing to drive to NJ or Cali you might save another 1k, if its worth it too you..... Good luck

DL

danny6996

Drive to another state?????????? No offense but what are you thinkin? Thats when you really need to ask yourself how much is your time worth? I'm not a millionaire or anything like that and nowadays car buying is more of a pride and principal thing, but I'm not gonna spend more than a few hours dedicated to buying a car. I refuse to go from dealer to dealer and waste time to for a measly few hundred dollars and be able to say, "damn I got a great deal, I lost an entire day, but hey I saved 200 dollars. Granted I will have done some homework but come on, this isn't some dingy old used car lot where you can't trust anyone. Take into consideration BMW has no hold back, check for factory incentives, see the difference between invoice an MSRP and meet somewhere in the middle.

Maybe thats just me.

kyfdx

ad42197..

It is kind of hard to evaluate your deal, when you have a big chunk upfront like $5000, and it isn't broken down... You say you have a cap cost reduction involved, but you don't say how much.. It looks like about $1500 of it went to a cap cost reduction..

That said, you got an $1800 discount from MSRP, and the dealer is using the base rates (we think)... I always like to roll the taxes and fees into the lease... but, if there is nothing extra in your deal, it looks fair..

regards,
kyfdx
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dl7265

Dude take a breath.. that was the point....

DL

ad42197

Thanks! They did use the base rates .00225 MF and .63 res. that I found here in this forum. I was sure of that. The $5000 included the cap cost of $1540 just as you indicate. I figured this was a good deal since I had a good friend of mine call the dealer since he is family with the sales manager. It worked out to be $1800 off and the sales person made it clear that this deal would not be done unless I knew someone. He said these cars are so poulare that the most they would consider discounting was 800-1000 depending if the car was on the lot, etc. Here in LI there is a lot of demand for the new 3 and all BMW's in general and everyone seems to have the money to keep buying them up. He did say in other parts of the country you can get better deals but not here. I thought of doing ED but figured I'd wait until I buy a more expensive car and my wife and I are ready to travel to Europe. I was happy with the price and but I wanted to see what everyone thought.

blueguydotcom

5k down is quite a bit for a lease. You do realize if that car gets totalled or stolen the day after you take ownership of it you're out that dough?

Part of the draw of leasing - you've got no capital tied up in the leased vehicle.

silver17

Just wondering how other people in this area are doing on their deals. I was quoted $1K off sticker from West German as an opening offer, but I know I can do better. Is anyone getting down to roughly $1500 above invoice? Thanks in advance!!!

Also, when do the November MF and Residuals come out? Anyone have any thoughts on whether they will better, the same, or worse than October? RE

sonnykaran

Folks,

I got a quote of $38900 as the OTD price for 2006 BMW 325i in Middlesex County, NJ.
This includes
06' 325i -- Metallic Paint Black Sapphire
i Drive/On-board Navigation System w/Voice Recognition
STEPTRONIC 6-Speed Automatic Transmission
BMW Assist
Comfort Access
Destination Charge
...and TTL
Delivery Time 6-8 weeks.

Please advise

Thanks

Sonny

power2k

The price for xi looks pretty good. Could you tell me where did you get the quote? I want to talk my wife over to 330xi from the Lexus IS250x and this quote could definitely change her mind.
Thanks

jersey1977

Can you all give me some opinions on this deal?

In Los Angeles CA
325i - Monoco Blue Metallic
Premium Package
Automatic
Heated Seats
Sat Prep
$34,800 + TTL

How does this rate? Opinions are greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

ckm1515

I recently ordered a 2006 330xi due to arrive in the port in NJ mid Nov. I spoke with my CA yesterday and the LRF's for 330xi are currently .00265 (down from .00275) and the resid increased to 61%. However, now in NJ, you are taxed on the total amounts of your payments vs. the depreciation, therefore, this savings is offset. I'm pretty sure the LRF for a standard 330 is .00250

kyfdx

.00265 is a marked up money factor... The base money factor for the 330xi is only .00225 ..... The 330i has the same residual and money factor as the 330xi for this term, this month...

The 61% Residual is correct for 3yr/45K...

regards,
kyfdx
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ckm1515

is a LRF of .00265 to high? How can I get the .00225 rate factor?

kyfdx

You have to ask for it.. just like you ask for anything else in a car deal.. It is all part of the negotiation.. Some dealers won't lease at the base rate, and some will..

But, if you are leasing, the total cash outlay is the most important thing.. Just know that the .0004 bump in the money factor is adding $25-$30 per month to your payment..

regards,
kyfdx

ckm1515

Appreciate the info. Dealership knocked off about $1,900 off MSRP on a fairly loaded 2006 330xi - payment at an LRF of .00265 is currently about $670 at 3 years/45K. Total money down is approximately $1,300. If I can get payment down to about $650, more money in my pocket.

kyfdx

Yeah.. that is a pretty healthy discount from MSRP for a car that has only just come out...

You have to balance everything.... If they only knocked $1000 off the price, but gave you the base rate, you'd be in the same place....

But, it doesn't hurt to ask for more..

regards,
kyfdx

ckm1515

MSRP was $45,395. Gave to me at $43,595.00. You are right, if I don't ask, I'll never know. Will consult with my CA tomorrow. Can't be any worse off than I am now. Overall, think I got a pretty healthy deal for a car that just came out. Total DP was $1,700 which included 1st month payment, bank fee, DMV and doc fees. Payment roughtly $678.00 - no sec deposit as this is my 3rd BMW. I've consulted a few friends and appears I have a pretty good deal.

ad42197

I actually was informed that the taxes are covered, but my cap cost of 1540 is not. In order for me to live with my MP I needed to do it. Cant see paying over $500 for the car. Im going to ask the insurance rep again for all of the details. Im just happy the car is in the process of being ordered, cant wait!

max63

Could you please evaluate this lease deal: Good/Fair

Ordered a 330i with a sticker of $46,290
Price of car: $44,138
Driveoffs: $1102.24/Cap Reduction $2,897.76
Term of 48 months, 12k per year money of .00226 (Outside leasing company and was adjusted up from .00206) He indicated the finance department would not let him negotiate this. Did not get the residual.
Total payment: $582.63 including tax. The one part that was confusing is he added the acquisition fee back on to the price of the car, and did not include that in total driveoffs. Would I be better off going the other way. Did the good price I get on the car go out the door because of the higher money factor.
Thanks for your time and help!

sr4b1

UPDATE.

I've been looking at various BMW enthusiast sites and what people have been saying is that the dealers in Northern California are particularly aggressive. Apparently, BMW of fremont is willing to deal at $500-750 above invoice. If I have to order the car, perhaps he can have it shipped directly to me?

Realize:
msrp: 45,695
invoice: 41,870

The difference is $3,825. The best I can get in TX is $1k off sticker. If I can get $500 over invoice. I'm saving $2300+.

I agree with the other poster, urnuts, it should be easy for the dealer to simply order my car. I think for processing my paperwork, $500 is a pretty good deal. Some of the other poster seemed like they work for BMW dealerships... I mean, come on, what's the logic : if they don't sell too many cars, they wouldn't want to make an easy profit off a pre-sold car? I don't know, but it seems unlikely. Esp. b/c it seems that all the dealers I've asked about ordering seem to require nonrefundable deposits of at least $1k. And not many walk away from that.

For my money, I want the best price, period. Let the dealership make its money off the other impulsive shoppers who overpay, but not me.

Just for reference, I've helped family buy at different times, a loaded passat and a loaded escalade esv for well under invoice. ($2.5 under for the passat, and $1.5 under for the escalade).

After all, while it's great to have a new car. It's also important to feel that you got a good deal. It'd make me upset to know that I paid only $1k off sticker, but if I had been a little bit more patient and thorough, could have paid $2300 less. I think it's entirely feasible not to pay more than $500 over invoice for this car. One dealer will want the easy money...

kyfdx

Well... not knowing the residual, it is hard to make an educated assessment of your lease.. But, I'm not surprised they went with an outside leasing company, as the 48 month BMWFS leases aren't very good....

1) Nothing wrong with adding the acquisition fee into the cap cost...

2) Generally, you are better off not making a big cap cost reduction... I realize it lowers your payment, but it really doesn't do much to lower your total cash outlay over the four years..

3) Not knowing the exact lease numbers... I'm still surprised they didn't try to put you in a BMWFS lease for 3 years... From what I can tell, they could offer you a slightly lower payment, if you went with the three year term.. It makes me wonder if they are hiding some large profit margins in that 4 year lease..

regards,
kyfdx

urnuts

Glad I'm not the only one who wonders who among us works at a dealership, and who does not.
Whoever replid to my post assumed every scenario possible that would not favor the dealer- from my financing, to my down payment, to my intention to complate the deal. Wow.
Anyway........... How about a non-refundable check for $10,000 & I finance through BMW and the dealer (!)- now can they order me a car and cut me a better deal?
I'll make my offer tomorrow on an ordered 330i; Leather, 6-speed & sport. Arctic w/ beige or tan. I'll shoot for $2K off sticker- that seems pretty good, but not unheard of. If they can find the car somewhere, great. I was told that the delivery time if I order now will be 4-6 weeks if they have a slot in production.
I'm in business- and an easy deal is, well, an easy deal. Make my life easy, and I'll make it worth your while. I sell pizza, makes no difference. A pre-sold car means you start the month out with 1 car already sold.

urnuts

And, to jack my own reply. Good point about the "other" morons with more money and impatience than brains- let the dealers make their MSRP (or MSRP+) on them and a few less on us, or me.
Dealer once said- "I'm only making $XXX on this deal" Fine- you nailed the guy who just drove out of here for full sticker, and the foolish old lady last week for MSRP, plus paint, fabric and rust...... You should have NO problem making just $500 on me!
I sell large Pepperoni pizzas to people for $14, $10 and $8. Same pizza, same service.
$14 is when you walk in and say "large Pepperoni" (menu price).
$10 is when you walk in, grab some coupons, look them over and say "I'd like the $10 deal, please"
$8 is when you actually look at the offers I send in the mail, put on pizza box, etc.
I'd like to sell the pizza to everybody for the same price- doesn't work that way, though. So, the $14 is subsidizing the $8 guy, to a certain degree. Rest assured, I'll take your $8, smile and say "Thanks, have a nice night".
If the difference in price is not important to you, may god bless you! And there are people like that- I suggest they look at the coupons. "no, that's ok" God bless!
Well, when I get my 330i, I want the $8 car, and I'll look for the coupons, 'cause the guy who just left the lot paid $14! Yes, I'm done!

blueguydotcom

That, sir, is a fantastic post.

I'll never get why people come in here and ask what others are paying for the car. My private valuation is all that matters...the first 200 buyers may have paid 3k over invoice. I still want the car for $100 over (unless there's a rebate and then I want a better deal).

bdr127

How much does it cost to make a pizza? (i.e. What's your profit margin?)

kyfdx

Oh... lets not talk about pizza... I'm getting hungry...

Anyway... urnuts (nice handle.. ), most BMW dealers get an allocation... If they sell your car in an "easy" deal, they don't get an extra one to replace it, even if your car is ordered...

So, if they get 1000 BMWs to sell this year, and they need to average $1500 profit on each one to make a return on their investment, then if they sell you one for a $500 profit, they have to make it up somewhere else.. It isn't like a Chevy, where GM will give them all the Impalas they can sell....

That doesn't mean you won't get one for $500 over invoice, it just makes it unlikely.. And, of course, you should try to get one as cheaply as possible... whether the dealer makes money or not is not your concern..

Just a reality check is all... At the beginning of the model year on a popular car, $500 isn't much of a mark-up, and in this case, you are buying a unit that the dealer can't go out and replace.. he only gets so many... Shopping with unrealistic expectations is extremely frustrating..

regards,
kyfdx
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max63

Thanks for your response. I should have had him run numbers on the 36 month lease when I was in his office. I ran the numbers on a lease program and came up with a lower payment. For my own reasons, I want to put a total of 4k down. Could you give me a payment, including tax (So cal.) using BMWs drive-offs including 825 ac. and whatever is left of the 4k as cap reduction. I know he will use .00250 as a money factor. Thanks again for your time!

rroyce10

.... **Shopping with unrealistic expectations is extremely frustrating.. **

Bingo .............!

Thats why you see them still posting 8/9 months later ...



Terry.

PS: plus, we never hear about that trade figure ...l.o.l......

urnuts

The allocation does make sense to me- sort of like hotel rooms; once the "night" is gone, and the room was empty, that opportunity is gone forever. So, why sell me a 330i & make $500 when you are pretty sure that you can sell the same car next week and make $2,000? Good point- and something only a dealer can answer. I was told by the salesman that all BMWs have a 7.8% markup- so on my 330i, w/ a MSRP of $41K (+/-), that would be $3198. Has anybody else been told this- the 7.8%? I was going to ask for somewhere between $1500 & 2000 off sticker-. With $1750 off sticker, that leaves a "profit" of $1448. Fair, I think. But again, not if you can nail someone for MSRP.
Pizza? Large Pepperoni costs me about $3 in food cost. Food cost is not the problem, or expense to worry about - it's $100,000/yr in worker's comp!