I took mine into the shop about 3 weeks ago for the creaking noise. GM had them take down the headliner and tighten some of the srews. Anyway has hopeful that this would help, however, it only MADE IT WORSE!!!! So now I'm even more frustrated. Have been talking with a customer service rep from GM and they don't have any answer, will not give me a different vehicle. My car has been in for numerous other things also, have had 2 months and been in the shop 28 days total!!!!
This is starting to sound like deja vu all over again! Yikes, maybe I will not go back to domestic cars. It make ya think. Was thinking about getting a Mustang some day, or even one of these G6 cars, used in a couple years for half price, but I don't like lemons to drive. So far, the best luck over the years has been with Japanese cars. That is just personal experience, and not influence of any magazines, or Consumer Reports data. I do know that some people have had very good experience with the late model Mustangs ( not talking about '05 ) and some I am sure like the GM products. I like the GM V6 for gas mileage. It is just he crazy problems you have with the cars. GM had such cool cars in the 60's and into the early 70's, it is sad to see it all unravel. People just wanna believe again in GM - it is not easy. If I had the money to gamble, I would consider a GM in a year or two, but I somehow fear it is not a safe bet for those that can not afford to lose. Well time will tell, and hopefully someone will lead GM to better days.
I've had a GM car for 3.5 years and I had one real repair made during that time. My parents have a GM car that is almost 7 years old with over 80K miles and it has had few problems in or out of warranty. The panoramic roof was a risky option but you can't take bad experiences with one option on one car and decide that the only way to get quality is to buy Japanese. I just read a review of the Avalon where parts of the interior came off in the reviewers hand.
I have never owned a domestic make of car which was trouble free. But miracles may happen, and GM may be making trouble free cars now. If so, it only took them between say 1974 and 2000 to get the bugs out. Now that is pretty fast. I can think of a few cars which may be pretty good bets for reliability which are USA makes, but it is not as safe a bet as an Japanese make. Some cars, like the Mustang, which are rear wheel drive, have a hood which can be seen my the driver, and some other old time good characteristics to them, may be a good buy just because they are unique. my experience with GM FWD cars is that most are better after about 8 trips in to get things fixed, with the exception of the Olds 98 Regency, which had issues to last a lifetime. My Olds Starfire, while fun to own, in some odd way, was a total wreck by the end of the 3rd or 4th year. I got all of $290 for it after owning it for around 5 yrs. My '85 Mustang was so-so, with some trips to the shop. It was a 4 cylinder, slowwww car, which did not handle worth a dang. Good for freeway travel. My Olds Achieva was fairly good after about the 8th trip in to get things fixed, but later developed a water leak on the driver side. So in 1998, I decided to go back to Japan make car show rooms, where my Dad and I have had the best luck in cars with, to buy a car. I was thinking lately about getting a Celica, but they seem overpriced, and some of the interior is prone to wear. Yes, some of Toyota product is showing some signs of 1980's Fix Or Repair Daily syndrome. But for the most part, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, and such are still rated higher than domestic and still hold the resale best. It IS possible the new GM product will be just fine, but why not let others try it out, then buy the car used in a couple years for close to half price? Dollar wise, it is a good deal. Thanks to poor resale, Pontiacs and Buicks are outstanding used car values. The cost is lower, the depreciation slows after the second year or so, and the insurance will be lower. BTW, the new Avalon is about as exciting as an Olds Delta 88. The first Avalon, while tame in looks, sure looked rich and very tight. A beautiful simple design. The 90's had some good designs for the first three or so years. GM's best was say 1968 and 69. Just awesome stuff back when!
Its a really sweet ride, and I thought a good value for the money. The interior is nicely styled, and luxurious enough without sacrificing sporty..
and the Panoramic roof - which doesn't make any loud noise during operation - is really something to see. With the roof open on the highway the wind noise is fairly loud, but you can still maintain a conversation in the open cabin at a normal speaking voice.
All and all I'm very pleased with my choice.
I admit - before I walked on the dealer's lot - I hadn't been considering a G6 (in the commercials I don't think they look that good) .. but once up close and personal - the lines of the vehicle are really appealing. Its a different (more understated and elegant) look for Pontiac - but a nice one.
One semi-negative ---- the head room in the backseat is compromised due to the slope of the rear windshield. Since I generally don't have many passengers in the backseat .. I don't care. (Your comfort in my backseat is not MY problem) ..... but if this were a family car for a family with tall teenage boys - it could be an issue.
All and all - if you're thinking about one - take a test drive and see what you think for yourself.
I got my base model G6 with the drivers' package or whatever (power pedals, seat, alloy wheels) for about $15,900...and some dealers in the area (Northwest Indiana, right outside of Chicago) are offering them as low as $12,900 now! It says that's with the $5000 GMAC DPA....but I'm guessing that's one hell of a deal. But I agree that the sales of the G6 are being hurt by the initially far-too-high sticker price.
My only complaint so far is that the car's 3 months old, i have about 3,000 miles on it, and the windshield still makes cracking noises when I turn the front defogger on warm or hot. It doesn't seem to like temperature changes. Also, the windshield seems to stay quite foggy no matter how long I leave the defogger on...
Anybody have any products they can recommend? And will this windshield cracking thing go away?
venus : "so it's the media's fault for lackluster sales of the G6". It's only the media and you saying they are lack luster when in fact the 4 cyl, coupe, convertible and GTP models have not even arrived yet.
m1miata : My 91 Cavalier never had one issue in 8 years other than a ruptured hose I caused myself. Amazing car.
herotakesafall : Congrats! High sticker isn't all that high, problem is there is no 4 cyl model. That said most GM cars have inflated stickers to make room for incentives. I have been saying for months that needs to change and I see now with the $20K Solstice and a cut in Envoy / Trailblazer MSRPs, maybe GM is listening.
The noise you are experiencing could be with the upper dash pad. Have read that with build variences the top clips are not tight in the dash holes. This casues the panel to move and create noise during the warm up stages. Fix is for the dealers to put anti-squek tape on the legs in the top. I haven't heard it in our G6, which was a January build/March bought car.
And as far as the $5000 GMAC money, it is for a lease/balloon deal. It is there for buyers who may be upside down in their current cars. The money is a trade off for lower residuals and I think even higher rates. So it is not a great deal.
Ooh. How can you tell when the car was built? Ours is a very early model, I think -- we bought it on New Year's Day, actually. My mom (I'm a college student...I'm allowed to still live at home!!) was the one who just insisted she get the G6 right away, even though it was a brand spankin' new model. No other problems as of yet, though! Can you really tell when the car was built?
:mad: Words can not express how VERY disappointed I am with the G6. I took a test drive of a G6 GT about 2 weeks ago. It had 5 miles on the odometer. When I went to adjust the seat the power height adjustment seemed sort of loud so I asked my salesperson if that was normal (this was my first experience with a G6). She reassured me that it was normal. Too bad hindsight is 20/20 - I should have immediately gotten out & demanded a different test vehicle. Turns out the sound of the power height adjuster was NOT normal (and my salesperson should have known that) - it broke as I was driving the car. This dropped me down to the floor & injured my back. I am only about 105 lbs & the car was brand new, so this definitely should NOT have happened. My back was very sore for about 5 days - spent plenty of time at my chiropractor or on my couch with an ice pack. I still have some inflammation & pain & my back feels weak when I am not supporting it with a chair back. I continue to see my chiropractor every 2 days. My bills are really starting to add up. I've spoken to the dealership in Farmington Hills Michigan to get them to pay my medical bills. They turned it in to their insurance company (and we all know how often insurance companies actually pay out claims). We'll see what happens. Either way, I will not purchase a G6. I've been a loyal Pontiac customer for 11 years now, but no more. If they don't care about me as a customer, why should I ever consider caring about them enough to buy their cars?
At this point you don't know how serious this injury is or how long it will take to recover from it.
>> >>> Don't sign anything the dealer, GM, or their insurance company presents to you. <<<<<
They may try to settle this as quickly as possible by offering you a monetary settlement. Don't take it. Don't sign anything. Talk to a lawyer and don't do anything unless he/she approves it first.
What is the point of posting this??? And on multiple forums too... interesting. If you're trying to scare people off from buying this car, you seriously need to find something better to do with your time. I guess we should all avoid contact with a G6 because it is obviously a death-trap and will cripple anyone who attempts to go near it. (note the sarcasm).
If we mine oil in alaska, not only will gas drop to 1.80 or so, but we will be less dependant on foreign oil.
Yes, we need to develop new technology, but people need to get to work now. And there is no point living like a european, driving car with sub 1-liter engines and having to go on a diet just to fit in the car.
Oil is going up b/c of china and the developing world really developing. I don't want that to mean no more v8's, its just not right. The g6 is great, but you should have the ability to buy any car YOU want, not a car that some high brow snob tells you to.
Alaskan oil isn't won't be nearly enough to offset rising world demand and falling production in North America. I guarantee, cheap gas is gone for good this time.
For me, no one is telling me what to buy. I just don't want to be spending $80 to fill up my Trailblazer in 2007.
Here on the sometimes sunny California coast, gas is now $2.66 a gallon and climbing for regular. I think we will see $3 this summer, and perhaps $3.50 or $4 next summer, but it is impossible to predict, even for the pros. More drilling in Alaska will help supply a little, but nothing significant in the way of gas pricing. What would bring it down is the USA dollar rising against the Euro. Anything short of that, forget it. Cheap gas is more likely gone, than it is ever to return to our pumps here in the States. This is not that I would not like to see cheaper gas, and may move out of California, to a promised land of cheaper gas. I have not owned a V8 car since '73 when I traded in my Mustang. Love the Mustang V8 sound, and if I bought one again, it would have to be several years old. I mean to tell ya, something would have to make up the extra cost of gas!. As for Pontiac and GM, they do well gas mileage wise on V6 cars. That is the one good selling point. I liked the gas mileage on my GM cars. And yeah, the i4 would give you better MPG. The Corvette can manage to get 28MPG with a stick and that monster engine, if you do not put the foot into it. I guess it is not as bad owning even a V8 Stang or Vette as to owning an SUV where you are really eating up the gas. I wish they would bring back the i6, as it is smoother than the v6. No, I doubt I can afford a BMW, at least this year Loren
The car I own now needs premium fuel, so I have not seen $1.50 gas in almost two years. I live in NJ and they may be raising the gas tax another 15 cents. Ouch. Fuel economy will be a big issue for me, when I purchase my next car. Anyway thanks for the info on the 4cyl G6.
Looks like the Pontiac with a 4 banger should get around 32 to 34 MPG on the freeway. Or am I wrong? Seems as though you gain little over the V6. If you want to be tighter on the gas expense, Honda Civic HX can get you over 44 MPG on the freeway, and a Toyota Corolla better than 40 MPG. Seems like the least expensive way to go. Was thinking of selling my '98 Corolla at one time, but it may be a hot item to own now with gas around $2.65 per gallon. It has an automatic, and is still getting some 36 to 38 MPG, or even more on the freeway without a head wind.
Highway numbers won't be much better but the city should be an improvement. I agree though, the 4 cyl won't be a huge gas saver over the 6. Cost will be less though and 165-170hp is lots for most people.
Anyone know if a 5 speed will be optional on the 4 cyl? That would add a few MPGs.
I know that there will ba a optional 5-speed on the coupe so I would probably guess that it will be available...although I wish it was an option on the 6. I am not sure why GM has been notoriously hesitant with giving manuals as options with any "large engine" sedans. Many of the competition does and I believe that is one reason people purchase them. My neighbor and his family only drive manuals. They liked the looks of the G6, but bought a Mazda 3 4-door when they found out they couldn't get a manual with the Pontiac. There is new info on the G6 coupe and convertible on the Pontiac web site. The convertible and coupe have 2+2 seating standard and the drop-top has a double hinge trunk to open one way for the hard top and can also open conventionally for the regular everyday use. They also mention that the hard top stores in a special pocket. I assume this means that there will be some trunk space available with the top down....I wouldn't expect much though. :P
Does anyone know if there is anyway to take out the factory stereo deck without hurting the car (by taking out the DIC). I have found a fit kit that has the DIC in it (from the new catalog of metraonline.com) but I can't find it anywhere (except on a website that looks really crappy that hasn't emailed me back after my question 2 weeks ago). So basically any information that anyone has about removing the factory deck would be much appreciated. Thanks.
I must say the G6 looks OK, and the coupe will be pretty sharp. I'll keep'em in mind as used cars. Will be very interesting to see how they do in the Consumer Reports survey. It is interesting to note that the Mazda3, which is a cool little car, did well survey wise, yet on the message boards here it seems to have problems. I guess if next year still shows a good report, something is wrong with the image presented by some on the board here. I did ask about a couple of issues, and Mazda does know about them. It is a puzzle to me that people did not complain about them much to Consumer Reports. :confuse:
I'll be curious to see what Consumer Reports says, too. In the meantime, it's worth noting what JD Power and Associates says. Their study of initial vehicle quality rated the Orion plant where the G6 is made as being tied with the Ontario plant where Toyota makes the Lexus RX 300. Apparently, there has been a genuine turnaround because of better labor/management relations and better supply chain. As for Consumer Reports, I do see as a subtle bias against American cars. Evidence their rating of '04 Durango vs. '04 Pathfinder. Both received only one demerit (both electrical), but somehow the Nissan gets a check, and Dodge a dash. Though I (and perhaps they) forget Dodge is now Daimler. http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0405/31/e01-164366.htm
Yeap, everything is better is what I was told in 1987, after experiencing a crappy quality car in the previous decade - wrong! And then in 1993, it was that the cars have improved since the 80s and they are just as good as the Japanese makes - well mine was not the worse car ever, but certainly not as good as my '80 Datsun 510. When '98 rolled along, I went back to a Japanese model = Corolla. Now I do not know what to think. In looking at the Consumer Report survey data, it appears that much progress has been made. There are a couple - three cars I would consider. As a whole, I still wonder. As for bias at Consumer Reports, it does look like they favor Japan models. I give the most weight to data on the pages which show the consumers survey and do not pay the check mark thing as much attention. You can also cross check with JD Powers, looking into previous year models on their website. MSN auto has a good reliability section which lists the major problems in more detail and give the repair costs involved. As for buying a new car from GM or Ford, I guess it is a leap of faith, then a great wish for a decent resale value. So far it looks like the Mustang by Ford is not too bad in resale value, though I think, as with more domestic makes, it makes sense to also look for used car buys. I am just not overly excited about the American Car Revolution at Chevy. Starts out interesting with a Corvette, but descends into Aveo doldrums. The Cobalt is an evolution, the Malibu is an evolution of the econo box, the Monte Carlo gets an attaboy for looking different, but is an evolution of a FWD basic transport ion, and the Impala is well, it just is. As for Pontiac, most look like an evolution and not a revolution. Kinda liked the older GTP. The G6 looks pretty good, hope it is a good car. They need to start making new cars. The coupe looks good. I would drop that stupid sunroof thing. I am sure that will be nothing but trouble. RWD may be something to consider, as well as, a neat - smooth straight six to go along with the changes. Do that for $20 to 21K and people will take note. Please, no electric assist steering and throttle-by-wire crap. Current G6, in a coupe, for say $17,500 (i4) to 19K (v6), may be a cool deal.... better yet for $12K used in a couple years! A coupe with a fine short shifting tranny - oh yeah!
I know this is not a Consumers Report Discussion, but I have always wondered about them. For example, how can the Mazda truck be rated more reliable than the Ford Ranger, when they are the same thing? If it's based on consumer surveys, then maybe it proves what I have been thinking for a while -- people expect foreign cars to be more reliable so that is what they will see when it comes to their experiences. Another, personal example. My friends '04 Accord has had problems with the front brakes (new rotors twice in 25,000 miles -- a TSB has been issued), the sunroof has broken, the fuses have blown twice, and now it needs new motor mounts (another TSB). Yet when I asked how she liked the car, she said she loved it. I asked her if it was reliable and she said yes. But when the speaker in my 2004 Malibu went out, her comment was "Chevy's aren't as good as Honda's." Then we talked about the problems my car has had versus hers, so she said she "never thought about it like that."
Anyways, my point is, I think people are more harsh on cars with domestic nameplates than those with foreign nameplates because that is what we have been conditioned to think.
There's no question that the ratings people submit to CR are skewed sometimes. But in the exact same manner, you know you have just as many people writing in about their Ford pickup or whatever swearing up and down that it's the best, most reliable vehicle on the planet. So it's not just people like your friend (although I have an '04 Accord too, and that's an unacceptable amount of problems, unless she's an insanely rough driver). So I think averaging out everyone's responses works out as best as it can. CR told everyone to avoid the Volkswagen Beetle due to tons of electrical problems, but my sister ignored them (and me!) and bought it anyway. Eight electrical problems later.... As for the Mazda/Ford pickup difference in ratings, sometimes you have to read the fine print, because sometimes their reliability is for one model to be manual/automatic, 2WD/4WD, or 4-cylinder/V6. I know CR averages certain models now like the Tribute/Escape. Also, the reliability ratings are very sensitive - which is why a car could seem to get all red circles, but isn't recommended for that year. All red circles could still mean 1% problems in all areas, which is practically nothing. But when you add them all up, it doesn't "total" a reliable car. I'm a fervent believer in checking with CR, but I still think some people don't analyze what the data really says. That's CR's fault in not really explaining certain things that seem like they could be discrepancies.
Please, don't tell me Honda is now the new GM and GM the new Honda. I guess anything is possible. Certainly would make a G6 a buy since they will be around half price in a couple years. Can't do that with a Honda. The G6 and the Buick La Crosse look pretty good. Maybe if I am in the market for a car with front wheel drive again, I may consider one. Will be interesting to see what quirks show in the first couple of years. And it is indeed interesting to note some people having problems with Hondas. I had a couple motorcycles, but never the car. I did have a good experience withe Datsun and Toyota, so far. Looking for service bulletins is a great idea. As far as conditioning of thought goes, for me anyway, it was actual experiences over time with domestic cars. I have had a few along the way. I like some of the older models of American cars, for their style, yet we all forget from time to time how they over heated, and needed tune-ups and such. Anyway, that was off subject I guess, the new GM cars, like the G6 may be better. My Corolla and Miata just seem to run with little fuss, so I always wonder if it is too much a leap of faith to sell them some day and get a Mustang or G6. Somewhere is the back of the mind, a voice says don't do it, it will bite you! What I may do is buy used. US makes are better deals used anyway, and all the bugs get worked out by the first owner -- you hope. Maybe that will be my next Ford or GM experience. One other thing is technology I would rather do without, like throttle-by-wire and electric steering. There is said to be a humming sound which is produced, like in the Mazda3. I will have to hear that one for myself some day. I hate strange noises. Maybe it is no big deal. Some cars do not have good feel to the steering with that electric assist. Too much new junk on these cars. I bet ya even the new Japanese cars with electric everything on them, do have problems. Looks at German car electrical problems. Love them roll up windows!
Ah, the frailty of human nature. People tend to be very forgiving of the first few problems if there are intangible qualities they like, and merciless if their goodwill has run out. After testdriving the G6 this afternoon, I beleive I could be quite forgiving of the occasional squeak or hum (which I did not detect in the slightest) or numbness of handling (noted, but not nearly to the extent that had been prepared to experience). My '02 Stratus is not nearly as lucky in escaping the ire of my wife. Interestingly, we testdrove an Audi A4 this weekend, and I beleive that the G6 drives as well, if not better, than the $40k A4. Another factor is that I will be more forgiving of Pontiac-priced repairs than Audi-priced repairs. Starts and stops were superbly smooth in the G6. The engine and transmission were buttery smooth. Instant passing power was something I thought was mythical in American cars (at least in those getting better than 15 MPG). Aside from a somewhat low-budget dash and door panels, it is one of the most impressive cars I have ever driven.
Having owned both Japanese and American cars in the past, I have had no more or less issues with either. I think we have been lucky with no major repairs on any car we have owned but all cars have little issues here or there. I doubt you would regret a Mustang or a G6, especially if you wait for a 2nd year car where the little bugs have been ironed out.
I own a Chevy Equinox and I am very unhappy with it. I knew to expect problems with a first year model, but not like this. I am trying to get my Equinox bought back or do a lemon law. Anyways, I test drove a G6 over the weekend and I loved it. However, I am worried to buy another 1st year model. Can all you G6 owners tell me what you HONESTLY think about your cars (any major problems?) and if you would buy it again.
One needs to do their homework these days. As for the manufacturing quality in general, American, Japanese, and European cars have all been steadily improving for decades. The rate of improvement has been greatest in American cars, which surpassed European cars overall for the first time last year and narrowed the gap with Japanese cars. See:
Regarding the G6 specifically, it's tempting to put a greater weight on individuals' experiences because the data isn't out yet, but would suggest looking more at the the few relevant stats that are available. The facility where the G6 is made has a very good track record over the past couple of years, as mentioned before. The chassis is from the Saab 9-3, which is among the most reliable European cars. Lastly, and this is a neutral statement, GM tends to produce either good or bad cars consistently. There is not as much variation between the first year model and following years as there is with Fords, for example. It's a calculated risk with any car, but I don't see any reason to be especially worried about the G6.
Of course, I would also like to hear people's experiences, as I am in the market as well.
G6 has much of the same technology as the Malibu which has been pretty good. Seems like the main issues I have read about is the European panoramic roof which is noisy.
Hey vanman1, I was wondering exactly which "noise" you've read about in regards to the panoramic roof on the G6... The mechanical sound of the roof opening/closing or ? I test drove a G6 over the weekend and noticed that with the roof closed at highway speeds, there are slight wind/road noises. However, with the sunshade closed, it was totally quiet. Obviously, driving at highway speeds with the roof fully open is not going to be completely silent - I hope that's not what people are expecting!!! Overall, I thought it was a really nice car... at least more so than what a lot of the Pontiac-bashers on this forum seem to think. Oh, and I did survive the test drive without being critically injured by pieces of the car falling apart... (see earlier messages if you don't know what I'm referring to here)
Thanks for your comment. Amazingly enough, you were one of the few who understood why I posted my comment. And I love your ID (mazda6s) since that is what I ended up buying instead of the G6. I assume you have a 6s also. What color is it?
If you look a few pages back there were 2-3 complaints of noisy panoramic roofs. I have no idea how bad it is, just that seemed to be the only re-occurring complaint. I think the G6 would likely be a very reliable ride.
I can sympathize. My previous car, an Accord V6 EX, belched out a noxious burning electrical-type smoke through the air conditioning, making me feel sick. Service manager looked at me like I was smoking crack. At this point, though, you might consider the Mazda 6 forum.
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Let me know if they fix yours and if it works.
Feel your frunstation! :lemon: :lemon:
Loren
Loren
and the Panoramic roof - which doesn't make any loud noise during operation - is really something to see. With the roof open on the highway the wind noise is fairly loud, but you can still maintain a conversation in the open cabin at a normal speaking voice.
All and all I'm very pleased with my choice.
I admit - before I walked on the dealer's lot - I hadn't been considering a G6 (in the commercials I don't think they look that good) .. but once up close and personal - the lines of the vehicle are really appealing. Its a different (more understated and elegant) look for Pontiac - but a nice one.
One semi-negative ---- the head room in the backseat is compromised due to the slope of the rear windshield. Since I generally don't have many passengers in the backseat .. I don't care. (Your comfort in my backseat is not MY problem) ..... but if this were a family car for a family with tall teenage boys - it could be an issue.
All and all - if you're thinking about one - take a test drive and see what you think for yourself.
:shades:
I thought the G6 would do better. This is a big issue i think, since if ppl didn't want a backseat they would buy a coup or roadster.
Does anyone else who owns a g6 think the backseat is too small? Is it smaller than the GP?
the media picking on poor gm - what a shame. so it's the media's fault for lackluster sales of the G6.
But I agree that the sales of the G6 are being hurt by the initially far-too-high sticker price.
My only complaint so far is that the car's 3 months old, i have about 3,000 miles on it, and the windshield still makes cracking noises when I turn the front defogger on warm or hot. It doesn't seem to like temperature changes. Also, the windshield seems to stay quite foggy no matter how long I leave the defogger on...
Anybody have any products they can recommend? And will this windshield cracking thing go away?
m1miata : My 91 Cavalier never had one issue in 8 years other than a ruptured hose I caused myself. Amazing car.
herotakesafall : Congrats! High sticker isn't all that high, problem is there is no 4 cyl model. That said most GM cars have inflated stickers to make room for incentives. I have been saying for months that needs to change and I see now with the $20K Solstice and a cut in Envoy / Trailblazer MSRPs, maybe GM is listening.
And as far as the $5000 GMAC money, it is for a lease/balloon deal. It is there for buyers who may be upside down in their current cars. The money is a trade off for lower residuals and I think even higher rates. So it is not a great deal.
Can you really tell when the car was built?
While you can blame Pontiac or GM or the dealership, accidents happen sometimes.
At this point you don't know how serious this injury is or how long it will take to recover from it.
>> >>> Don't sign anything the dealer, GM, or their insurance company presents to you. <<<<<
They may try to settle this as quickly as possible by offering you a monetary settlement. Don't take it. Don't sign anything. Talk to a lawyer and don't do anything unless he/she approves it first.
Late summer is when I heard the 2.4L will be out.
Yes, we need to develop new technology, but people need to get to work now. And there is no point living like a european, driving car with sub 1-liter engines and having to go on a diet just to fit in the car.
Oil is going up b/c of china and the developing world really developing. I don't want that to mean no more v8's, its just not right. The g6 is great, but you should have the ability to buy any car YOU want, not a car that some high brow snob tells you to.
Here is to v6's and v8's.
And SUV's.
For me, no one is telling me what to buy. I just don't want to be spending $80 to fill up my Trailblazer in 2007.
Loren
Fuel economy will be a big issue for me, when I purchase my next car. Anyway thanks for the info on the 4cyl G6.
Loren
Anyone know if a 5 speed will be optional on the 4 cyl? That would add a few MPGs.
What did I miss? Did someone pass a law?
I must say the G6 looks OK, and the coupe will be pretty sharp.
I'll keep'em in mind as used cars. Will be very interesting to see
how they do in the Consumer Reports survey. It is interesting to
note that the Mazda3, which is a cool little car, did well survey
wise, yet on the message boards here it seems to have problems.
I guess if next year still shows a good report, something is wrong
with the image presented by some on the board here. I did ask
about a couple of issues, and Mazda does know about them. It
is a puzzle to me that people did not complain about them much
to Consumer Reports. :confuse:
Loren
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0405/31/e01-164366.htm
P.S. I also want my $2,500 rebate on that
Loren
Anyways, my point is, I think people are more harsh on cars with domestic nameplates than those with foreign nameplates because that is what we have been conditioned to think.
As for the Mazda/Ford pickup difference in ratings, sometimes you have to read the fine print, because sometimes their reliability is for one model to be manual/automatic, 2WD/4WD, or 4-cylinder/V6. I know CR averages certain models now like the Tribute/Escape.
Also, the reliability ratings are very sensitive - which is why a car could seem to get all red circles, but isn't recommended for that year. All red circles could still mean 1% problems in all areas, which is practically nothing. But when you add them all up, it doesn't "total" a reliable car.
I'm a fervent believer in checking with CR, but I still think some people don't analyze what the data really says. That's CR's fault in not really explaining certain things that seem like they could be discrepancies.
My Corolla and Miata just seem to run with little fuss, so I always wonder if it is too much a leap of faith to sell them some day and get a Mustang or G6. Somewhere is the back of the mind, a voice says don't do it, it will bite you! What I may do is buy used. US makes are better deals used anyway, and all the bugs get worked out by the first owner -- you hope. Maybe that will be my next Ford or GM experience. One other thing is technology I would rather do without, like throttle-by-wire and electric steering. There is said to be a humming sound which is produced, like in the Mazda3. I will have to hear that one for myself some day. I hate strange noises. Maybe it is no big deal. Some cars do not have good feel to the steering with that electric assist. Too much new junk on these cars. I bet ya even the new Japanese cars with electric everything on them, do have problems. Looks at German car electrical problems. Love them roll up windows!
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0408_camp/
One needs to do their homework these days. As for the manufacturing quality in general, American, Japanese, and European cars have all been steadily improving for decades. The rate of improvement has been greatest in American cars, which surpassed European cars overall for the first time last year and narrowed the gap with Japanese cars. See:
http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/article/holding_up.html
Regarding the G6 specifically, it's tempting to put a greater weight on individuals' experiences because the data isn't out yet, but would suggest looking more at the the few relevant stats that are available. The facility where the G6 is made has a very good track record over the past couple of years, as mentioned before. The chassis is from the Saab 9-3, which is among the most reliable European cars. Lastly, and this is a neutral statement, GM tends to produce either good or bad cars consistently. There is not as much variation between the first year model and following years as there is with Fords, for example. It's a calculated risk with any car, but I don't see any reason to be especially worried about the G6.
Of course, I would also like to hear people's experiences, as I am in the market as well.
regards to the panoramic roof on the G6... The mechanical sound of the roof opening/closing or ? I test drove a G6 over the weekend and noticed that with the roof closed at highway speeds, there are slight wind/road noises. However, with the sunshade closed, it was totally quiet. Obviously, driving at highway speeds with the roof fully open is not going to be completely silent - I hope that's not what people are expecting!!! Overall, I thought it was a really nice car... at least more so than what a lot of the Pontiac-bashers on this forum seem to think. Oh, and
I did survive the test drive without being critically injured by pieces of the car falling apart... (see earlier messages if you don't know what I'm referring to here)
Thanks for your comment. Amazingly enough, you were one of the few who understood why I posted my comment. And I love your ID (mazda6s) since that is what I ended up buying instead of the G6. I assume you have a 6s also. What color is it?
Athena15
I can sympathize. My previous car, an Accord V6 EX, belched out a noxious burning electrical-type smoke through the air conditioning, making me feel sick. Service manager looked at me like I was smoking crack. At this point, though, you might consider the Mazda 6 forum.