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Saturn broke their tradition and started rebates last year. That was the one thing that they had to stand out. Big mistake, I thought.
They could even have just repackaged the cars, offered more standard features for the same price, or something.
-juice
I'm sure invoice goes up also but higher incentive offset I guess. It's all a shell game. I just look at the bottom price line on each car when I decide. MSRPs, monthly payments, interest rates and cash backs are all just part of the confusion when buying a car. Our office admin just tried to buy an Accord and had to leave because of all the games the dealer was playing.
In fact, fitzmall.com, locally, has several brands, and that's how I cross-shop real-world values. Their prices take rebates and discounts into account, and even include freight. Guess where I bought my most recent new car?
-juice
The 3800's achilles heel is the thermoplastic intake manifold.
The 3.4L is actually a little smoother due to its 60 degree design.
They both get rough at higher rpms. More block rigidity and a lighter weight valvetrain would help.
Scion will also be no-haggle, but they'll be more like Saturn.
UBS and Auto-by-tel sound good, too.
Does the 3800 produce similar gas mileage, though?
-juice
Impala 21/32
I haven't sampled one that I can remember. I rented a Venture in Tampa once, but that had the 3.4l. I've driven a Rendezvous, too, didn't seem refined at all. That car is getting a new powerplant though.
-juice
where they have a whole document on the new Malibu Maxx for May. Or check out this picture of the new Maxx:
wsag26 : Couldn't find any Maxx pictures on your site. It seems to take a long time to load also.
Big difference, though. The primary goal of most sales people is to sell you something TODAY. They have no incentive to sell you something next month or year. This is particularly true since many of them will not even be there next month, much less next year!
Sales people are there to sell, not to distribute information about future cars. And, sadly, most customers don't know or care about the cars they buy, either. For the vast majority of consumers, the most important factors are how much is it a month and what color can I get it in!
The Edmunds Townhall is not representative of the market as a whole. The typical Edmunds poster is a very influential factor in many, many purchasing decisions other than just their own. Still, do not make the mistake of thinking perceptions, attitudes and biases seen here are those of the general market. They aren't.
I wish they would have courses like in real estate for people that sell cars. It would certainly help.
I like no-haggle dealers because you don't have to dicker on price, plus the salesmen are usually paid accoring to customer satisfaction levels, not comission. When they sell more than one brand, even better, they're more level headed.
Using that criteria I've been able to find several very good sales men. They're even more willing to talk about upcoming models when you tell them you already know about what's coming.
-juice
But yeah, we could get a clone using that chassis.
-juice
It's funny, I was reading a freebee car magazine yesterday and they said the Maxx will come with a choice of the 2.2L or the 3.5L. Good reporting!
With the GTO, they changed the Holden badge. I just don't get it.
-juice
Then again, at 3400 pounds, I probably would have to do the Fred Flinstone thing to get it up hills.
The interior is cheap, and it's a box, but it's dirt cheap.
-juice
When I had my 1950 lb Scirocco I thought my v-6 Taurus was a tank at just under 3,000 lbs. Cars sure have gotten a lot heavier - and I have still yet to drive one as fun as my '80 Scirocco. Talk about tossable - and road feel was amazing with manual steering. I imagine a first gen miata, or MR2 would be about the same (both available with manual steering), but I have not driven either of those.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosinsider/0305/11/b01-160665.htm
It says in passing that the Malibu Maxx goes on sale in January!
http://www.nctd.com/sneakpreview.cfm?ReviewID=32
I still think the Signum blows the Maxx away in terms of style. I'm trying to move out of the country, so maybe wherever I live I'll see more of these.
I figure its purely accountable to all the clueless product planners and managers that have been engrained in GM culture for so long. They just don't know any better and can't get a pulse on what the public really prefers.
Vectra / Signum fans, there is word that GM may bring the Opels to NA and sell them in Saab dealers. So you may get your chance.
Actually, if positioned and advertised right, Opel could survive anew in the US as the 'reliable Volkswagen alternative' to those who want a Euro type decent priced car.
The reality is that while GM seems to have some bodies who know how to style a truck they still wouldn't know a stylish car if it bit them on the leg. The Saturn Ion?, the Malibu sedan, the new Grand Prix? I saw the Maxx at the New York show and about the best can say for it is that it isn't horrible.
My choice in GM wheels? 05 Equinox.
-juice
ateixeira : Actually all the V6 VUEs go to the 3.5L next year. The thing should be a rocket. That said, mileage will fall.
The whole class is getting more and more interesting. I do think some people will cross shop the Maxx with these.
-juice