Nissan Armada

llajumpvid

2 Hours? Mine took 10 minutes. They will flex quite a bit. They are one of my favorite accesories so far. I'm not sure what you mean about them fitting in front of the seal though? They are suppose to slide into the channel (the outside face of the window will rub against them the last inch of all the way up). I hope thats what you did and didn't pull your seals out.....Anyway I feel for you. I've only had to make one trip to the dealer and an waiting for the replacement sunroof to come in as mine rattles like crazy. My only other complaint is the driver seat memory only working part of the time. I may of stumbled on something today in that I didn't unlock the door with the FOB until I was standing right there and when I opened the door I saw the green light on the momory on and when I got in it worked fine....so I'm wondering if there is something with the distance away you unlock with the FOB. I'm going to do some testing.

dtags

I had the same problem with overhead console sqeaking. It took 7 wks. to get the parts. It a bunch a styroform pads. It seems to work so far. I was number 84 out of 200 waiting for the part.

ksloan77

well i'm leaving in 30 minutes to pick up my armada from the dealer. the inspector came to town on tuesday and i had a long convo with him. the "parts" that are being developed for the roof will be available june 15th (according to him, which is a different story from what the regional guy told me)...but they apparently fashioned the brackets here locally that mimic the ones being developed, according to the inspector. the service manager called to tell me yesterday that 99% of the vibration is now gone and that they are now working on removing the rest of the rattles, squeaks, etc. SO --- we will see in about an hour what the status is of this vehicle. my only hope is now, that it is "repaired enough" that i can go trade it in on a navigator without being reemed to bad. i can't tell you all enough (without taking up the next 3 pages of posts on this board) what kind of ordeal this has been. the customer service i received is as bad as it can get. as i said in an earlier post, this is the 5th nissan i have purchased over the years....and this is the last one ever. i understand about a new model having some "glitches" but what many of us have experienced with this vehicle is not merely glitches, but just plain poor quality, and flat-out bad design....that none of us expected with a nissan product. and then to top it all off, "scripted" customer service reps that are suppose to be helping their customers out, never vary from their scripts, and are useless in actually solving the problem. my wife and i hate this vehicle, have lost confidence in it, and have experienced major, multiple proplems with it....but nissan holds their coarse and will MAKE us keep the vehicle rather than make it right by buying back the peice of junk. so they may win the battle by not buying it back, but in the end they loose the war because they've lost a good customer forever. and they've made an enemy that will now go out of my way to stear everyone i can influence AWAY from nissan. i hope someone from nissan reads this post and passes it along to someone in authority, because i would pay big money to see the look on your faces a few years from now when nissan goes bankrupt!

bowke28

ksloan...

"my wife and i hate this vehicle"

then why did you buy it?

i can understand frustration, disappointment, even anger...but even the completely anti-armada people dont "hate" it.

i truly understand why you are upset, but there is nothing more to it than bad luck. you got a bad unit from a bad dealer. dont hold nissan fully to blame...heck, they sent someone to the dealership to make sure it got done.

also, if you are paid minimum wage to field phone calls from people like you, wouldnt YOU want a script provided?

my bottom line here, is that, while you are justified to be upset, i think you are unreasonable in your attitude with the last post.

chasmanz28

i think ksloan77 has every right to say what he did, if you were in our shoes im sure you would act "cool" yeah right, investing this kind of money on a product thats flawed beyond flaw is sad, i only hope he gets a fair trade in when he buys a new suv, ksloan77 be prepared to be shocked what the trade in value is worth on these so called high resale value armada's. good luck

bowke28

he has the right to say it...but having the right to say it and being reasonable are 2 totally seperate things.

tidester

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rosie726

We had our rotors "machined" at about 3500 miles and completely replaced at 8100 miles with new brake pads. Hopefully the new ones will be better. The dealership was wonderful, gave us a ford explorer (which we hated, didn't compare to the Armada in any way)for 3 days , free oil change, and they completely detail ed Armada, inside and out!! No complaints about service!!

shark715

I, for one, don't blame ksloan for how he feels. I had a '87 Pontiac Grand Am with an engine that pinged as loud as a diesel, and GM was never able to fix it for more than a few days at a time despite more than a dozen attempts including having it trucked to what they told me was a GM Technical Center. It's now 17 years later, and even though I realize that the quality of GM products is dramatically better, I would never consider one of their vehicles. The reason is because of the attitude of their employees. Instead of trying to help me, they treated me like a pest, and just hoped I would give up and go away. Despite the potential impact on our economy, if GM went Chapter 7 tomorrow and all the employees and retirees lost their jobs and benefits, I would have a smile on my face. Revenge is sweet. Of course it will never happen. If GM was going belly up, all of us taxpayers would end up footing the bill to bail them out. I guess they really do get the last laugh.

indy93

This forum is very interesting... notice how Nissan's PR ops monitors this chat.... every time some disatified Armada owner reports problems our friend bowke28 and others issue counter comments very quickly...! Saw this on carsurvey also...

nwarmada

Called my dealer today and the TSB is out. They did not provide me with the TSB number. They said the bulk of the work involves dropping the headliner and spraying a foam/adhesive between the roof and the cross members that support it. I asked about specific parts and they stated the only part they were waiting for was the gun/tool needed to properly apply the foam adhesive. I will be scheduling the Armada in for the work and will let eveyone know how it turns out. Also....had the front rotors turned at 5500mi. Now have 8800mi and they seem to be warping again. Will also have rotors replaced when in for the roof fix. My dealer had provided A+ service and even with the roof and rotor problems I LOVE my Aramada. I would buy another one without hesitation.

rshe

It sounds like everyone is really talking about the same fix for the resonance. The "parts" that are called for in the Infiniti TSB are wedges. These wedges are plastic throw away pieces that are just used to separate the roof skin from the spar, to allow the adhesive to be placed between the two pieces. They are then removed and tossed. There are no structural pieces being added, at least that I have seen anywhere.

dodger22

I agree with your last line. I have a smoke LE 4x (10k miles) , dvd, nav. Had some repairs; 2nd row seat latch (probably abused by people who were looking at the vehicle prior to buying it), tire pressure sensors acting up, front seat bracket replaced due to squeaks. The main issue has been brakes. After having them turned at 4k miles, they were recently replaced. New rotors (front and back), new pads, tires rotated and balanced; all handled under warranty (vehicle detailed also). Service was excellent, free rental every time. I understand some of the frustrations owners are having. When the rotors were bad, it felt like I was driving on square tires. No resonance here. Love the truck and for me, it's the end result that matters. Truck drives like a dream now. Yes, the interior quality could improve, compared to other brands but I knew that when I bought it. Only took two seconds to see that BUT it'll definitely fare better with my kids. Let's see, if the brakes stay good and the resonance issue stays away (which I have no doubt it will); what would I rather have? Cheaper quality interior or engine/tranny problems as is prevalent in Ford/GM etc. No question I'm a happy Armada owner!

offroadnarmada

You should have seen the weather seals. I never noticed until I was installing the rain guards, but my driverside front seal was partially shoved into the groove where the window rolls up! And like I said, the window is actually outside of the seal. That's what broke the rain guard.

And about it taking two hours, yeah I know. After I got the first one on, it really only takes a little bit of shoving and that's it.

klondike_x5

I don't think it's PR job as to the fact that maybe they love nissan cars. Some people just have horrible times with certain dealerships.... mine is DODGE. I would rather walk from cali to NY before I would buy a piece of crap dodge car. I think there are a few happy armada guys who read these post and don't like others saying that their car is crap, I know I wouldn't.
I love my armada and would never trade it for another.
 
I think if you are an aggressive customer then you will rarely get screwed.

driftracer

bowke doesn't work for Nissan PR....he's just not so fast to condemn and get so darned dramatic. People act like the truck is going to blow up and burn their whole family in a raging fire because it has an annoying rattle.

Give a break already!

ksloan78

what is TOO FAST to condem in your world there drift? 4 months of lies, mis-leading, and NON repairs is too fast to condem???? wow, you must be a REALLY laid back person....one that will let anyone steal $45k from you with a smile on your face. $45k is a lot of money for us, maybe not for you, but it is for us. the dealer is 35 miles away, 70 miles round trip ...7 trips there for "repairs"....you do the math (so 1/5 of the total milage is to the shop). the repairs STILL HAVE NOT FIXED THE PROBLEMS....so tell me....when should it be ok for me to condem nissan? perhaps after it does explode and kills my whole family, then and only then would it be ok to condem nissan?

to those of you who are happy with your armada, i am very happy for you. you are the lucky ones. i wish i were in your shoes! i bought this truck with pride. i had faith in nissan. i currently have a 2004 maxima sitting in my garage also. but calling me dramatic, or being quick to condem nissan is way off base. none of you have been through the exact process i've been through. or if you have, you haven't posted about it on this board. it seems i'm the only one posting that has been all the way to a nissan inspector visiting to see my truck. nissan didn't offer that folks...i demanded it as part of the buy-back process. bowke28 made it out like nissan was going above and beyond the call of duty by sending the guy here! sorry, no, that's not the way it was. perhaps i'm more picky about my vehicles than most, and rattles/squeaks/vibrations drive me more nuts than the nest guy. we aren't talking about something you can spary a little wd-40 on and it go away!!!

so there is your brake you asked for drift.

ksloan78

do you work for nissan? are you serious when you said "then why did i buy it?" do you really think we hated it BEFORE we bought it? gesh!!

are you suggesting that we should have asked the following type of questions BEFORE we bought the vehicle?
1. when we pay $45k for this vehicle, will we have to bring in back to the shop 7 times in the first 4 months of ownership?
2. will we be told a different story by EVERY single person involved in the matter?
3. will our frustration be met with "scripted" responses, and hand-holding, rather than actual action to make it right with us...in other words, give me my money back? btw-- the person we dealt with was not minimum wage, she was the top of the food chain according to her "there is no one above me in customer service"
4. should we be ok with the roof vibrating/sqeaking, the windows rattling/not working right, the entire truck shuttering when you hit a bump in the road? sqeaks in the dash, rattling from a seat in the second row....you see bowke28, it is a LITTLE more than a few rattles and squeaks....and the latest thing yesterday, the air pressure warning light going off with full air in my tires.

i could go on and on, but i think i've made my point as to bowke28's remarks.

now for the bigest update of all....i have my armada back AFTER the complete repair with the parts....and yes people, there are parts. they are steel brackets installed in the roof along with the epoxy everyone is talking about. now the big question....DID IT FIX THE ROOF???? well, i will say this -- it is in fact much better. gone is the compreshion you feel when the roof would skake so badly that it would hurt your ears. is there still some vibration? yes! and i could (and apparently will have to) live with the amount of vibration still in the roof. why will i have to live with it? because i went straight to a lincoln dealer after i picked up the armada from it getting repaired and tried to trade it in on a nav. you know what i was offered on trade for my $45k armada le with 5,200 miles? $34k!

don't hold nissan fully responsible you say there bowke28? then who should be held responsible? the dealer didn't build the piece of junk, nissan did! the dealer is not a bad dealer....they did everything they could do. so because of NISSAN and NISSAN alone...i am now stuck with a junk vehicle that still is not right...still has a roof vibration (although better than it was before), so many rattles and squeaks i can't list them all, the brake problem to look forward to, and lord only knows what else is to come.

those of you who have a bad roof problem like i did will be somewhat happy with the roof repair, as it does make a noticable improvement. but go get into any other suv you want to and test drive it and look at and hold your hand on that roof and notice the difference...there is a big difference in any one you drive over the armada.

to those of you who are researching an armada and read my posts, and ignor them and go ahead an buy the armada (as i did) because of it's power, drive, features, etc....remember that i told you so, and you will have no one to blame but yourself after you are as dissapointed as i am ...and many others are as well.

dodger22

Okay. We got your point. you never know who you're talking to on a forum anyways. For all we know, you work for GM. Now that you can't trade (unless your satisified with 34k) what are you going to do now? Post forever or start looking at the positives...Saying your peace is one thing but deep, dark warnings to future owners is another. As another poster said before, there are thousands of happy Armada owners out there, myself being one of them. P.S. Who trades in a new car anyways? You lose your a-- buying a new car in the first place (a voluntary decision) and then you trade it in? (Double whammy?) Detail it and sell it private party. Not enough time to sell it..then don't complain about the trade-in value. On the flip side, I am sorry you are going through tough times. In the future, I hope things work out for you.

cjs2002

saw in my newspaper today an Armada lease for 399 a month... but it doesn't say how long its for... anyone else see or know of this... and is it a good deal or no? (12K miles a year with 1200 down)

04armadagalaxy

Purchased my Armada Galaxy SE 4x2 on 4/27/04 - build date was 3/1/02. Logged 1,900 miles since then. Drives great and I get asked about it constantly. The radio/cd system is nothing to write home about, but I plan to upgrade the system soon.

tloke1

I have to agree with ksloan78, he has every right to be ticked about getting jerked around by Nissan. Even Nissan admits that it used cheap parts on the Armada and the the people assembling them in the new plant did not have prior vehicle assembly experience. It would be foolish to buy a new Armada at this time. Anyone considering one should wait until the 2006 models come out, that's not that far away.

ksloan78

"what are you going to do now? Post forever or start looking at the positives...Saying your peace is one thing but deep, dark warnings to future owners is another." --- unbelievable! what am i going to do now, you mean since nissan won't stand behind their product? or give me my money back? hummmm, good question....kinda makes it hard to start looking at the positives though....don't you think!!!! and let me tell you, had someone been giving me "deep dark warning", i wouldn't be in this mess now! so i will keep preaching the message and keep other poor suckers from being reamed by nissan.

and who trades in a new car??? i would say someone who has been sold a lemon, who has had it with the manufacter, and who is completely unhappy....that's who trades in a new car.

ksloan78

you're right about nissan .... the sad part is though, i doubt seriously whether the armada will make it to the 2006 (perhaps 2007 if their lucky) model year. with the way they are selling now, and with the fact that many of them, if not most of them, are a notch above pure junk, by the time they fix all the problems, use better quality parts, and have a trained work force....it will be too late for the armada. all we can hope for is that toyota comes out with a bigger engine in the 2005 models.

dodger22

Sorry ksloan78. I'm not going to war with you on this forum. I enjoy reading about various armada owners with their individual updates on what happened to their vehicle..pos or neg. If you want to re-name this forum after you so you can do your preaching, that's fine. Your responses seem a little on the "fanactical side" and I expect the HOST to come on soon anyway to redirect. Relax...There are thousands (as I said before) of armada owners that took a gamble, like you did, on a new vehicle and fared extremely well. That being said, good luck to you and your preaching/warnings....as to all the other armada owners with interesting, unique updates, I and the silent majority appreciate your posts. Bowke28, it's nice to hear your conservative (other side) posts that are without emotion. You only live once.

big0147

Before I bought my Mada I visited this site and almost did not buy it due to all of the problems that some of the other Mada owners were having with their vehicles. I must say I am glad I took that chance because not only did I get it at a good price (which is almost unheard of in Hawaii) but so far it has been problem free. I have not heard of any resonance problems and have not experienced any shakes rattles or rolls

peaaace

big0147

How can I find the build date?

ksloan78

no one is asking you to go to war with me, you're the one that seems intent on silencing me on the problems i've had (and countless thousands of others)....and tell me one thing, what exactly do you enjoy reading about "individual updates on what happened to their vehicle..pos or neg" are you saying that you want to hear someone say "i drove to wal-mart today in my black le armada and nothing broke on it? that sure is quality reading and informatitive. you need to face reality...people post on this board for pricing info, and problems. yes the "newbie" will post to say what they bought and how they love it at that moment (just as i did months ago).

perhaps you and bowke28 should start your own board where you 2 can talk about all the posititive things about the armada (which will take you about 60 seconds) and not worry so much about us "emotional" people on here who can use this forum to rally each other against nissan and perhaps get something done about the junk vehicles we have been sold.

tidester

If you see postings you don't care to read you aren't obligated to respond and you may scroll pass them.

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popinjay

Are 'countless thousands' of people really having major problems with their Armadas? KSloan, could we see some hard data to back this up? I'd seriously like to know how many Armada owners are having problems...but 'countless thousands'?
I also find you comment about the 60 seconds worth of positive comments a bit insulting to those of us that are enjoying this vehicle. Believe me, you have my sympathy if you are having the problems that you say you do, but it is my guess that you are in the minority rather than the majority. At least until I see some conclusive data otherwise.

bowke28

i am not, by any means, condemning your POV about your disappointment with your vehicle. i just dont agree with going emotionally overboard about wishing people out of business and livelihood.

i will state it once again. YOU were the unlucky one...not the ones with good trucks being lucky. you are, unfortunately, the exception.

i work for a nissan/ford dealer in the midwest, and having driven dozens of armadas...one for over a month...i love the big gallute. ive never heard the famous resonance for myself, and i take issue with people saying its rampant when, between the sales and service depts., noone has heard about it.

i am the only one in the dealership that knows about it, because im the only one here that reads these posts.

i hope you can more thoroughly understand my POV now.

p.s. if you buy that $60k navigator, not only will you lose the $8k on the armada, but you will lose about another $20k on the navigator over the next 12 months. (we have a 2003 with 15k miles on it for $38.9k).

vmccaul

Ksloan. I understand your frustration,anger, and even wanting everyone to HATE Armadas so no one will buy them. If I had the problems you did I’d probably feel the same way. But saying all our NON problematic Armadas will be worthless sets off animosity and you must understand this also. Please state your case, so others will know of your problems and make an informed decision, but refrain from using inflammatory comments (even though you want to vent).

I will let people know that in my case I have had no major problems, other than a sunroof leak, which is now fixed. I now have 7500 miles on the car with no rattles, resonance, or brake problems (the most frequent complaints here). Negatives are dismal gas mileage (unfortunately to be expected with this size vehicle), and too much vibration, in my opinion, of the overhead DVD console. No noise with the vibration but I think I would get sick watching it…luckily, kids don’t seem to notice a problem though . I did have some window noise early on, but this seems to have worked itself out. No problems with that for the last four months. Still very happy with my Armada, and I will let others know of any other problems in the future.

cjs2002

well I posted above but got ignored so maybe putting this here again will get some answers....
I don't know if its a deal or what because I haven't been able to get a dealer to actually talk with me over one... so can anyone please offer advice?
saw in my newspaper today an Armada lease for 399 a month... but it doesn't say how long its for... anyone else see or know of this... and is it a good deal or no? (12K miles a year with 1200 down)

offroadnarmada

I have yet to see anyone save myself post about bad window regualtors, but my dealership claims that these are a "known issue." They insisted that I have all four replaced, and blamed my window going off track three times on the window regulators. To be honest, I can only go off of context clues as to what these actually do, but it is still odd to not hear anyone complain about excessive window groans and clicks... Fortunately, though, I have not had the rotor issue yet. Probobly a good thing, since I have every other problem.

vmccaul

before my last post. Obviously, from my post, I agree with Bowke's point of view because I have had no problems. However,I did not think it was necessary to tell Ksloan that he/she would lose even more money buying the Navigator. We are all aware that you lose money with ANY new vehicle the second you walk out the door. Why rub salt into wounds? Inflammatory comments work both ways. What is important is that he/she is happy with the vehicle. Maybe Ksloan can trade on a lightly used Navigator and avoid most of the blow?...although I suppose the risk is getting another lemon, because you have to wonder why somebody traded in any vehicle with such low mileage. Anyway, I really hope Ksloan gets a vehicle he/she is happy with.

bowke28

that if ksloan was happy with the armada at the time of purchase, then having it fixed will cost FAR less in time and attention than to buy a vehicle that will drop 20 large in the first year.

vmccaul

I did have some window groaning early on, but seemed to fix itself before I brought it in for the first service and hasn't reappeared yet. I'll keep watch on it though if it is a known problem. I roll the driver's side window down constantly because I have to put the mirror in to get in my single bay, three bay garage. Which, by the way, would be nice for future owners if Nissan puts the power retracting mirrors on new models. Anyway, guess I better roll all the other windows up and down to make sure the problem is really gone. Thanks for the info.

klondike_x5

I don't see the point of continuing with this guy. Anyone knows that you are taking a gamble with a first year car. You MUST understand that there will be something that will go wrong, you can only hope it's nothing major. As far as the SUV being a lemon you need to find a ford or dodge forum, then get back with us.

cwoferg

Couldn't agree with you more. I got my 04 Dodge Durango and I have a loose wire harness for the climate control, just wasn't completely plugged in. I posted it on the Durango site with a report on the Durango so far. This will be an easy fix, but with Ksloan's case, lemon law only makes sense.

When I lemon law'd my Kia, I posted the problem on the Sedona forum, said what I liked and didn't like and that was that. That is the purpose of this site, give information. I made the mistake of not only getting the first year, but the first production run.

With the Durango, I custom ordered it to get a second production run. This wiring harness is the first complaint on it that I have heard of on the forums and the first time the dealer has dealt with it, lucky me!! They also decided to replace the Climate Control head and the radio just in case the short caused damage. Now, THAT is service.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that no vehicle is perfect, even is Ksloan trades or lemon laws out and gets another vehicle, NO MATTER WHAT MAKE, there is no guarantee it wasn't put together perfect at the factory. Quality Control guys are the same as us, on Friday afternoon, they watch the clock! (Light-hearted kidding there, don't fire back!).

shark715

Back in post #2561 I said I did not blame KSloan for how feels, and I don't blame him for condemning Nissan, but yes, he took it too far by insisting that everyone who buys an Armada will be disappointed. That's ridiculous. He's just trying to get revenge on Nissan, but anyone who has read the last thousand or so posts can see that while many Armada owners are reporting problems, numerous others are reporting no problems or only very minor problems. So, yes, there seems to be some risk in buying an Armada right now. But Nissan is certainly not going to let this go on...they have too much at stake, and they will resolve the design issues. One other thing that often amuses me on these forums (and it's not limited to just Ksloan or this particular forum) is that when people are complaining about the problems with their cars they often cite how much they paid. Do people really think that they are going to have less problems with a $60k car versus a $25K car? I contend that it just the opposite...expensive cars tend to be more towards "state of the art", where often all the bugs aren't worked out yet. What car would you expect to have less problems...a $15K Ford Focus or a $150K Ferrari? One other comment...I don't agree with Klondike that a first year car is certainly going to problems. Yes, overall they probably do, but there have been plenty of first year cars without problems...I've owned several...the ones without problems tended to be Japanese.

bowke28

ive only had 1 problem with my $16k focus...and that wasnt design-related or the fault of ford.

i cant exactly speak to the $150k ferrari...ive only owned 4, and wouldnt feel right unless i own more than 10.

;-)

mrr162

well I posted above but got ignored so maybe putting this here again will get some answers....
I don't know if its a deal or what because I haven't been able to get a dealer to actually talk with me over one... so can anyone please offer advice?
saw in my newspaper today an Armada lease for 399 a month... but it doesn't say how long its for... anyone else see or know of this... and is it a good deal or no? (12K miles a year with 1200 down)

cjs2002…..I don’t think anyone can tell you if this is a good deal or not without more information. If this is a 5 year lease on a 4x2 SE with no options it is a bad deal. If it’s a 3 year on a fully loaded LE, then it could be a good deal. You need to call the dealer and get the details on the length of the lease and MSRP at a minimum. If you can also get the money factor and residual value that is even better. Post these details and I’m sure you will get some feedback.

norbn

All of you who posted that they had no problems seem to have very low mileage. I'd like to see someone with over 20K miles with not problems. I aim to keep the Armada a while, that's my concern. I think I'll wait till the 05's come out then pull the trigger, but it will be a long hard wait as I really want one now. Note to Nissan, you guys better do some upgrades for 05.

bowke28

you said: "All of you who posted that they had no problems seem to have very low mileage."

as do all the people WITH problems.

klondike_x5

Did you test drive your second armada? If the first car had the noise problem wouldn't stand to reason that maybe the second would as well? The first armada I got in had a interior noise( not the way you here on these post) and I told the I didn't want it and test drove another and it was fine. I know "nissan" betrayed your trust but damn you can't be that naive when it comes to first run cars.

klondike_x5

Come on, don't give this guy a sales pitch. My sales guy claimed to not hear anything on my first test drive but oddly enough he made this statement: "you need to make sure the back windows are up, because that could be the problem" I know you are going huh... but the noise I was complaining about was coming from the front of the vehicle at that time and the second noise was the low resonance sound, but this guy knew. So for you to claim you or some of the people that work with you don't know is hard for me to believe.
I probably will be that guy with 10k on his Armada, I've had this truck for about 2 months and have 3k on it This truck is nice, my wife doesn't even want to drive her 2003 honda accord any more.... DAMNIT

klondike_x5

I agree we need more info, but if it is for 3 yrs it sounds like a good deal if it's for the LE loaded model.

ksloan78

well, here is one article that you and bowke28 (interesting, very interesting to see he admits he works for nissan!!! kinda makes him a bit biased, don't you think!) might find enlightning as to the countless thousands... http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_20/b3883053.htm

and bowke28, don't you find it a bit interesting that Business Week is hearing about the major defects to the point of not only running the above article, but i along with others have been asked to be interviewed for an upcoming feature article on the "junkness" of the armada, so the problems do exist whether you want to admit it or not.

ksloan78

"i will state it once again. YOU were the unlucky one...not the ones with good trucks being lucky. you are, unfortunately, the exception."

apparently, i'm not the exception, as evidenced by the business week article, and the up-coming feature article. i also just heard back today from Dateline that they are considering an investigative report on how bad the armada is!

so you can take issue all you like bowke with me, or others saying how bad the problems are with the armada. just because your little dealership hasn't had any problems with them (which i find very hard to believe) certainly doesn't mean that the rest of america isn't. why else would they issue a tsb??? for the fun of it?

ksloan78

i am 42 yrs old and the armada is about my 44th vehicle i've owned. i know vehicles. i told the nissan sales guy that the roof had a design flaw before any one on this board posted about it, or before nissan apparently knew about it. i test drove 4 armadas before i finally accepted the one they went to kentucky to get for me...i kinda felt obligated to take it since they had already located and brought in 2 others that i refused. i had given them a deposit 2 months earlier. i went against my better judgement in getting this vehicle for several reasons: 1) no one else had one and i like having something no one else has. 2) the power...i tow a 27' boat that my expedition struggled with. 3) the second row room...2 kids. 4) features/options. i told my wife that nissan would fix the roof and the other rattles and squeaks. i told her that nissan would never allow a a good customer like me (5th new nissan) to be unhappy with their product. wow! have i been wrong! the reason i keep mentioning $45k for a vehicle is because i expect better quality than what this vehicle has...even a ford expedition is put together better than this thing is. furthermore, if i had paid $19.95 for it, then i complain a bit, and throw it away. as bowke28 has explained so concisely, if i try to trade this junk-moble in on a nav, i will loose well over 5 figures...would that make you a happy customer? would nissan not standing behind their product make you a happy customer? would 7 trips to the dealer in 4 months make you a happy customer? and to top it all off, now that nissan is goning to make me keep the !@#$% thing, now i have more trips to the dealer to look forward to. and for what? they can't fix the loose-ness in this vehicle! they might be able to fix one rattle at a time, until you drive it a few more miles, hit a few more chugholes, and then boom!...another brand new squeak. someone said it earlier, all of you who are not experiencing problems with your vehicles, wait a few more miles. we will all be sorry we ever bought this thing...as i am already. no one on this board wishes this truck were as good as it could have been more than me. i have been a loyal nissan customer for 15 years. not only am i shocked at how loose this vehicle is (poor quality), i am even more shocked over how nissan is handling the problem...a sure sign of a company in trouble. afterall, nissan was on the verge of bankruptcy just a few years ago,...this truck, and their other low-quality products will seal their fate if how their making it right by me is any indication. and for those of you who might find it interesting, i have already had 5 people send me emails, thanking me for warning them off of this truck...so nissan has already lost more money by not making it right for me than they would have spent by just making it right. that speaks volumes.