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purnell...quite frankly, the only way i would worry about pricing for the next few months is if the dealer marks it up over MSRP. other than that, just enjoy the easy buying experience and the great truck! ;-)
The cloth is not really cloth. Nomarian, you may have thought it was leather. I almost made that same mistake. It is a cool microfiber type apolstry. It is similar to the material in the Xterra, which is supposed to be easy to clean.
* Unbraked tow rating is only 1000 pounds, same as the Sequoia, and most mid-sized SUVs. Not great for a full-size SUV, IMO. The Chevy Tahoe and Suburban both have a 2000 pound unbraked tow rating, and the mid-sized Chevy Trailblazer has a 1500 pound unbraked tow rating.
* Roof rack load rating, if you use the full length is 200 pounds. If you use the back section only, that section is rated for 125 pounds. I think those ratings are quite respectable.
* As I've mentioned before, I wish the 3rd-row seat had a split fold. Also not a lot of rear headroom for third row passengers. I'm 5'9" and my head was close to hitting the roof. Rear leg room was OK, not great, but OK, and the 3rd-row seat was only so-so in terms of comfort. If my memory serves me correctly, the Expedition's 3rd-row seating is better in all those respects -- and it has a split-fold, to boot.
* Other than the third row seat issues, the interior is flat out great.
I'm looking forward to driving one soon.
Bob
The Murano has 2 ingenious levers, by the hatchback opening, to remote fold either side of the rear seat. Why couldn't that feature be incorporated for the Armada's 3rd-row rear seat? I don't know if those levers will raise the the seats, however; but for lowering them, it's a great idea.
Oh, and while your at it, add a split-fold to that rear seat too.
Bob
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was $5000.00 higher than the sticker price.Thats like what the Volkswagon dealers did when new "BUG" came out several years ago,look what happen to "VW".
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Bob
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/nissan/pathfinderarmada/index.htm- l?tid=edmunds.n.mmindex.content.num7.0.nissan*
Armada and the Titan. I was going to purchase a Tahoe or Dodge Ram, or F150, until I read about the Armada and Titan. I am buying either an SUV or Crew Cab. I have it narrowed down to a Tahoe, Armada, Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab Hemi, Ford 150 Crew Cab, Titan. If anyone has any input on these choices, any opinions are welcome.
But, my major question is: What do you think is the better choice an SUV or Crew Cab? If you were going with Nissan would you get an Armada or a Titan? The Titan seems to offer a lot of room for four to five adults or family, yet retains the versatility of a truck. And, it looks comfortable. The Armada seems impressive with its roomy interior. Any opinions on any of these issues?
As to the Armada vs.Titan: The Armada has an independent rear suspension, so it should ride and handle better than the Titan, all things being equal. Also the Armada has an Auto-4x4 mode (on-demand full-time 4WD) on the transfer case, the Titan doesn't. The Armada is also a bit shorter, so it should be more maneuverable and nimble than the Titan.
The Titan can tow a little more, if you need that much towing. It probably also has a higher payload rating.
It really comes down to what you're going to use the rear 25% of the vehicle for. That you have to decide.
Bob
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Not quite sold on it yet, though, with no particular reason. The Armada is a really impressive SUV. Still attached to my '99 Expedition I suppose, even though it has it's issues.
I visited our local dealer this Friday and drove an SE (2x4) base model. Here are the salient points!
1. Outstanding performance: Having worked in the powertrain development of one of the largest auto manufacturers, I was certainly impressed by the engine – transmission performance. Very good for a vehicle of this size. Well-done Nissan! If I have to be very picky (which I am! J) the shifting from 1st to 2nd under heavy acceleration was a bit abrupt.
2. Approach angle: Just by looking at it the approach angle felt to be not as good as the competition (Toyota Sequoia & Ford Expedition). Since I use my vehicles off the pavement quite a bit, it is of concern to me. But I have not seen the specs yet to confirm. Can anyone help in this?
3. Interior: The interior room is reasonable for a person of my size & height (6’-6” & 260lbs.). The front row has more room than ’03 Expedition. The older Expedition has arguably more room in the front row. Second row room is the best in class I could sit behind myself! Now the flip side: The plastic stuff (knobs, switches, etc.) is way too cheap for a vehicle in this category. All seats have little thigh support. The third seat is for the kids only (Expedition is better in 3rd row room). Interior, definitely, could use some improvement. Standard sound system was bearable. Glove box cover is made of very cheap plastic it was loose and a potential candidate for rattle.
4. NVH (Noise Vibration Harshness): I don’t think it would be fair to generalize on this considering that the one I drove was “upgraded” by the dealer by adding 20” chrome wheels and low profile tires. In my opinion, it not only looked ugly, but also added to NVH. The steering was excessively responsive and communicative. The ride was harsher than normal. The vehicle was very noisy at highway speeds with a noise similar to the noise from a rear window open at high speed , exceedingly disconcerting! (All windows were closed , we stopped to double check!)
Would I buy this vehicle? Probably not in the first year of manufacturing That is when the bugs are being worked out. Right now, I think a pre-owned (’01 Navigator) would make a better economic sense My only gripe with that is the lack of independent rear suspension and completely foldable third row bench.
Sincerely,
Shair Khan
Bob
Model Code Descrip MSRP includ D&H
49214 4X2SE 33,950
49314 4X2SE OR 37,100
49414 4X2LE 38,450
49614 4X4SE 36,750
49714 4X4SE OR 39,900
49814 4X4LE 41,250
As for dealers who add mark up over MSRP--call them out and lets avoid them as a group.. There is a dealer in Manassas, VA i've been talking to that will cut $200 off MSRP and no deliivery fee.
HO1 Bose Pkg 750.00
JO1 Sunroof Pkg SE 3350.00
JO2 " " LE 1600.00
JO1 " " SE OR 1000.00
PO2 Upgrade Pkg LE 600.00
SO1 Journey Pkg SE 3950.00
SO1 " " SE OR 1600.00
TO1 Tow Pkg 650.00
UO1 Tech Pkg LE 3900.00
VO1 DVD 1500.00
XO1 Leather Pkg SE 2350.00
A96 Sat Radio XM 400.00
A97 Sat Radio Sir 400.00
now...sometimes it happens where a marked up vehicle does not sell quickly. then we mark it back down...but usually its about a 2 week process. after 2 weeks, the fervor of the "i want the first one" buyers settles down a bit.
Here's my issue, I would like to have the new Armada but when compared to the Sequoia at invoice, it's not worth the $4k extra that I would have to pay at MSRP.
Knowing that, would you let me walk or be willing to sale at $500 to $1000 over invoice?
As to answering bowke's question: No, I have never paid an ADM, and never will. No car is worth that. Plus I'll never give a car dealer that satisfaction.
Bob
Please let me categorically state that my remark about the Nissan Dealers was not in anyway a personal attack on you or anyone. It was out of sheer frustration based on my general experience with them. I sincerely think that Nissan products that are so well designed and executed deserve a more sophisticated sales. I was merely pointing out the fact that Nissan needs to pay serious attention in this area.
As far as marking above MSRP is concerned: I can understand your point when you say “but every dealer knows that SOMEONE will pay over sticker. someone always does when a new model is released from ANY manufacturer. if someone is going to spend that extra money, why would i allow my competition to get it instead of myself?”
BUT I, and a lot of people here, don’t necessarily agree with that practice but it is a free market!
Furthermore, I held off my decision of buying the vehicle because I believed in Nissan’s product and wanted to see what they had to present. I had been following Armada since the idea was released. In fact I was surprised why they did not tap into the North American full size SUV market, since they have a fairly well competing model in overseas markets , which in some areas is more popular, than Toyota Land Cruiser. Anyway, I would not pay outrageously high price to encourage a trend that I don’t agree with in principal.
I was going to further get into the economics and sales strategy, but Coryms states it so well in very simple words (Post # 357). Thank you, Coryms.
Sincerely,
Shair Khan
Bob
have you folks ever wondered why the honda odyssey held at sticker price for almost 5 years? because dealers and buyers knew the van was WORTH that price. honda is very good at pricing a vehicle at or near its true value. up until about 6 months ago, the accord and civic were the only models commonly discounted. nissan is trying to go the same direction. instead of pricing a vehicle $3000 over its actual value only to offer a $2000 rebate, they just price it near its actual value out of the gate.
consider these questions:
if the dealers all got together and agreed to never discount a car again, would you stop buying cars?
if invoice was $300 under MSRP, would you still negotiate?
Would I pay MSRP if it was only $300 above invoice? Happily, however, that's never the case.
Dealerships are still living in the 80's assuming that buyers don't have free access to pricing, etc. As you pointed out, they hope for the chance buyer to stop buy and fork over top dollar + when they could purchase the vehicle for much less. I say that you should stream line the process and make everyone happy. In the end you would sell many more cars lessening the pain/fear associated with new car purchasing.
Also, bowke, please answer my question from the previous post. Thanks.