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"...because NO vehicle is worth MSRP. Period!"
is incorrect. Just because YOU wont pay msrp has no bearing on someone else's buyer behavior.
bowke- you caught me in the middle of an edit. I hit return while still in the title box. DOH!
Vehicles are worth what they are worth. For most it's only a few hundred over invoice. For some it's more than MSRP. It's all in value for price. The Odyssey is a good example - for MSRP it has better features AND is cheaper than an equivalent Chrysler Town and Country. Try telling me it isn't worth MSRP.
do i sell cars because im not smart enough to do anything else? no. i sell cars because i like cars and the money is good.
getting back on topic, with that attitude, its likely you dont have the people skills to succeed in the real world. understanding this, its quite likely you cant afford a nissan titan anyway, so please leave this conversation.
As a fleet manager, I was responsible for product training for three dealerships. Including me, who won the first competition, we had 6 guys who went to national level product knowledge competitions. I won a Rolex - I guess I knew my product after all.
"When I know more about the product they sell than THEY do, it's hard for me to have any respect."<.i>
I doubt it. Not me, you don't.
"Lots of testotsterone, endless babble and slicked back hair, that's about it."
That's t-e-s-t-o-s-t-e-r-o-n-e, by the way. I have very little hair, certainly not enough to slick back and don't recall ever babbling.
I have a master's degree in automotive engineering and two bachelor's degrees - criminal justice and psychology. I got into the car business after I got out of the Air Force in 1992 and within 6 months, was in management. I stayed in management until I got out of the car business in 2001 and started my own business.
I'm really sorry if a car salesman dissed your sister or you mom and gave you that huge chip on your shoulder - I dare you to explain, honestly, what YOU do for a living and we'll see what folks think about that.
I don't golf, but thanks for the suggestion. Between my job and community charity stuff, I don't have time for hobbies.
I guess I will walk out to my 2800 sq foot work shop behind the house and think about that. (-;
As for the Titan crewcab, I will wait to see how it looks in person. I have seen the xtra cab in traffic and not impressed yet.
I waited for the 2004 Ford F150 and I do not like it. The wife and I will travel to the SEMA trade show in Vegas next month and see what the customizers have done with the 2004 Ford.
Regarding car sales people.... I like it when they ask what payment I would like. I usually get odd looks when I say "none" , since I don't look like I can write a check for the vehicle( and it will clear).
Now back to MSRP. Nobody should be paying MSRP for this vehicle when it comes out. Spread the word. The Armada is already being purchase for invoice +$750, check the Armada board. And if any sales person tries to sell you at MSRP, WALK!!!!!!! And, fire up your internet connection, email dealers, and you will get a deal.
I agree completely. I work with 21 PhDs and most are great, but some can't walk and chew gum at the same time - there is a direct connection - as formal education goes up, common sense goes down.
Now to MSRP -
bmwdoug - if I have 10 vehicles that are selling for MSRP and I have customers coming in that are willing to pay MSRP, selling one at a $2k discount doesn't make sense.
As a dealership manager, my job was to maximize profit for the dealer. If I have 6 people on the lsit for a vehicle that are willing to pay MSRP, why should I sell a vehicle to a grinder for $500 over invoice. I shouldn't.
When the market on that particular vehicle calms down, of course, things will change.
Look back at the new Dodge Ram (1994), the VW Beetle (1998), the PT Cruiser (2000) and the Mini (2002). They all sold strongly at MSRP, but now, that's not the case.
The Dodge Ram has a $4500 rebate and the PT has $3000.
KarenS/Senior Host
Remember folks, the internet gives you access to hundreds of dealers and hundreds of opportunities for the best price. Their is NO need to put up with rude, inconsiderate, and unrealistic salespeople. I love competition, the internet makes every dealer compete!
you still dont get it after i told you 3 times?!?!?!
internet departments that are tied into the fleet dept. are the exception rather than the rule. 49 out of 50 replies you get off the internet will be from salespeople JUST LIKE ME!
I have never paid MSRP and will not. As mentioned in previous posts... if you do not like the car deal, walk away. If the vehicle is market driven price wise, I don't need it.
When the Titan hits the show rooms I'll go look at them.
I hope Nissan has not taken the cheap quality route with the interiors .
The Titan seems to be a good bang for the dollar.
I am impressed with the early reports - but at the end of the day - I'll buy the brand that gives me the most for my money.
Thanks,
Dusty
In order for a car or truck to be yours and you be an owner, you have to BUY it first - isn't that arena a reasonable discussion topic in ANY vehicle discussion??
I have read a few articles on the subject of discounts from the OE manufacturers and how to phase them out with out hurting sales for a long period of time. The OE folks do seem concerned about the buyers expecting discounts or very low finance rates on every vehicle now.
I noticed Nissan ran several Titan commercials on Speed channel recently.
There was large lettering about the december 2003 introduction.
I just checked on a new Mini a few weeks back and I was told there is a premium above MSRP.
So I bought a 2004 Honda Goldwing motorcycle. I received a discount from MSRP on it.
I must admit that I am not a truck expert. But, as a regular car/soon to be a Truck or SUV owner, I love everything I have read about the Titan. I can't wait to see one in person.
Regards,
Dusty
Some of these new p/u's are SUV's with little "trays" in the back, a novelty box, at best. Aren't they cute?
This will be my first truck purchase and I want a truck that rides comfortably, is safe, and will offer the ability to haul my family, which means a comfortable ride in the back seat. And, gives me the ability to use the bed once in awhile to haul things. Also, the ability tow a boat.
If the Titan is comfortable in the back seat, it fits the bill. And, to be honest the current F150 is trying to attract buyers like me a well.
Funny thing, they aren't going to be building the Titan exactly like I think everyone else should be looking for in a truck, either. In fact they never even bothered to call me!
Dusty
Its definately not a manly ride however. But if you are sure of your manhood and don't need "enhancement" of a vehicle, it works fine. I can even drive through a lot of mud and snow.
The Nissan looks like a nice truck however. Curious how it will be seen, as guys like the "tough" brands - the assocation of the F350 helps the perception of the F150.
WE have four full-blown, beefed up, downhill and BMX racing mountain bikes. I have a motorcycle - there is no way that either of these chunks of cargo will fit in ANY minivan.
And the point of owning a vehicle is to take all four bikes (bicycles).
The Titan will have all competition beat if Nissan did a good job with the rear seat setback. Does anyone know about the rear seat setback of the Titan?