Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • vtdogvtdog Member Posts: 163
    I have just turned over 10k miles on my CRD without any EGR issues. Since about 90% of my driving is hiway (with a "hot" engine) I am wondering if local driving and a "cooler" engine might be causing the EGR issue from cool oil vapor deposition on the valve body rather than recirculation as designed.

    Just a thought
  • hmartini1hmartini1 Member Posts: 11
    I have a 2005 Liberty Sport CRD and it has 4:10 gears. This is only available in the Sport model. (why? I have no idea) Wish they offered a manual trans.
  • mtbcrdmtbcrd Member Posts: 5
    I do around 85% highway driving and I had the EGR valve problem. The light actually came on near the end of a 3 hour highway drive in July.
  • vtdogvtdog Member Posts: 163
    OK, guess I should go to plan "b"
  • tbriggstbriggs Member Posts: 1
    My experience with EGR and dealer.
    * Engine light on 1 1/2 weeks ago
    * Dealer diagnosed as EGR - ordered EGR & 'gasket'
    * EGR being installed today

    Hopefully with positive results. I have also experienced the 'apparent' overheating while towing 2,500# boat / trailer and brake drag while backing out of driveway in AM. Had TSB for temp gauge and brake pads adjusted at initial service (6,250 mile).
  • vtdogvtdog Member Posts: 163
    I was reading another forum and came across the following link which has an excellent, if technical explanation of oil:

    http://www.boss302.com/oil.htm

    I realize that some here love/hate different brands and may disagree, but for someone like me, the info on the web was good for a basic understanding of oil weights. viscosity, dino vs. syn, etc.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    How many keys did you get with your 05 Liberty?
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! Two keys came with mine. 032108

    LK
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    WHY? :confuse:
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    This is the first Diamler product I've purchased. Other vehicles I've purchased were delivered with 3 keys. Wanted to make sure I was not shorted one key. Replacement is around $125.
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Ok! Cool, I think the keys are available on Ebay and are much cheaper. My "96" Cherokee also came with two keys. :(
  • willysjeepwillysjeep Member Posts: 107
    How many keys did you get with your 05 Liberty?

    I got two (2). I then bought another one. THe purchased key was a little cheaper than the $125 price quoted above. The third key does not have the radio controlled paraphernalia. It is slightly larger than a normal key, still starts the Jeep and cost around $50.00. I'm not too lazy to use the doorlock and rear doorhandle so it suits me just fine.

    Has anybody modified one of these to run straight vegetable oil yet? As fuel prices rise, this does pose some attraction. After the warranty expires, this may happen with mine depending on my circumstances. It may encourage a love of junk food.
  • farmdieselfarmdiesel Member Posts: 9
    Hmartini,

    What makes you think you have 4.10 gears? If yours is a US CRD, they are only...ONLY...only available with 3.73s. There were no options and no other ratios available, whether Sport, Limited or other.
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Where did you find the key blank which you mentioned?
  • hawk521hawk521 Member Posts: 19
    If I open the door using a key on my Liberty Limited CRD w/o unlocking via the remote control - the factory alarm sounds off. I then have to use the remote to silence it. Unless this can be disabled I don't see how a key w/o the remote functionality would work for me.

    Or perhaps if you lock the door using a key then the alarm is not turned on?

    Also - does the factory alarm have a motion detector?
  • patentguypatentguy Member Posts: 45
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Will that work (purely as a "blank") for a 2005 (just to open the door)?
  • patentguypatentguy Member Posts: 45
    You will need to get it cut at a local shop (e.g., a hardware store). Then you need to follow the key programming proceedure in the manual. It is a fairly easy proceedure. It will then work like your other keys.

    If you only wanted it to open the door (and set off the alarm) do not program the key. Just have it cut.

    I have a key like this and use it as a valet key. The key itself is locked in a cylindrical housing lock, so only the plastic part of the key is showing. I then place the key outside on the windshield wiper. My parking garage at work requires that I do this. But, the valets can unlock the housing and move the car, but no one else can grab the key and get inside.

    eBay sometimes has the OEM keys (i.e., transponder keys with buttons) for sale for about $50.00. You just have to wait for them to show up.
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Great! Thanks. I think I'll try it. I always like to have an extra key hidden under the body "just in case".
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Has anyone tried one of the K&N air filters? If so, what was the effect on performance and fuel mileage?
  • willysjeepwillysjeep Member Posts: 107
    Where did you find the key blank which you mentioned?

    The dealer.

    It looks just like the key in the link provided by patentguy except it says Chrysler instead of Jeep. I do not have a car alarm so I don't have the problems noted by Hawk521.

    I had a blank made up to open the car door. It will not start the car but you can get into the car. I had intended on hiding one of the big keys inside the car and using one of those magnetic hide a boxes to hide the blank outside the car. I never did and someday when I lose my keys, I will probably regret it.

    I like carrying the little key instead of the big clunky ones with the buttons.

    I'm still wondering about other people's experiences with alternate fuels. I like the idea of thumbing my nose at OPEC and hurricanes and this vegetable oil thing sounds like a way to do it.
  • playgabeplaygabe Member Posts: 31
    If you go on line you can build one with 3 options of gears, 3.73, 3.55, or 4.10. Guess you would have to ask the dealer as the brochure states only 3.73.
    Best to check your window sticker when u bought the Liberty.
  • hmartini1hmartini1 Member Posts: 11
    This is how I configured the vehicle. Hope this helps.


    - 2005 LIBERTY SPORT 4X4 C Pkg. $21,785.00


    modify
    - Primary: Bright Silver Metallic Clear Coat Included
    - Interior: Medium Slate Gray Included


    modify
    - 2.8-Liter Turbo Diesel Engine Package $2,560.00
    - Selec-Trac Full-Time 4WD System Included
    - Corporate 8.25 Rear Axle Included
    - 4.10 Axle Ratio Included
    - 5-Speed Automatic 545RFE Transmission $825.00


    modify
    - Cloth High-Back Bucket Seats Included
    - P225/75R16 OWL All Season Tires Included
    - 16" x 7.0" Luxury Aluminum Silver Wheels Included
    - Trailer Tow Group $245.00
    - 6 Speakers Included
    - AM/FM Stereo with CD Player and CD Changer Controls Included
    - Air Conditioning Included
    - Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc Brakes Included
    - Engine Block Heater Included
    - Smoker's Group $30.00
    - Fog Lamps Included
    - Speed Control
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    I have already tried the K&N filter on my euro-2003 CRD.
    I get a faster rise of the engine speed at the low end side, and then it makes no difference any more. Since the tranny's computer doesn't know it could lock faster the result is a waste of fuel and risk of frying the thing!
    I would also avoid using this filter when there is fine dust or pollen flying around. Another point is the 'special' red oil that catches the dust particles on the K&N doesn't last long on the filter. Mine went dry after 2 months, so I have my doubts about compatibility of filtration between the turbo diesel and the gasser :confuse:

    You can clean your standard air filter with a vacuum cleaner every now and then. Diesel engines suck much more air than the standard gassers, and a larger filter would have been better for this truck.
  • farmdieselfarmdiesel Member Posts: 9
    Hmartini,

    I see the problem. You're assuming (somewhat justifiably) that the order information is correct. :P I also have a 2005 Liberty Sport 4x4 C Package. The 4.10s showed up as an option on the computer, but were not available in the jeeps. It was a programming error in the computer. If you actually check what ratio you have in the jeep, you'll find that it is 3.73, and not 4.10.

    I'm not sure if they've corrected the computer error yet or not, but they're still only available with 3.73s, AFAIK. For 2005, I am positive that they were only available with 3.73s, notwithstanding what the computer said. ;)
  • vtdogvtdog Member Posts: 163
    Got CEL light at 10,200 mi. Checked codes on odom-showed EGR problem. Called dealer and was told-yes it is EGR code, but part is back ordered and DC will not let them order without putting car on test at dealer. Went today-guess what, it is a bad EGR. However, DC requires them to do a flash tsb (18007-050) before ordering new part. They did the flash, but EGR still bad (TSB is for boost pressure problem). Long story short-10 working day +/- for new EGR. Tech told me virtually all CRD need EGR replaced. He said '06 models are supposed to have newer version of EGR installed.
  • smilie1smilie1 Member Posts: 21
    Yes I have had several extended visits due to the EGR problem as well as check engine lights.It took five or six days back in May to get the EGR valve,and lo and behold the gasket set had to be ordered separately since it wasn't part of the valve.I just got back from the dealer after three hours of waiting to get the temperature gauge TSB done,and being told that there are more TSB's to be done on my computer.That will have to wait for next week since they think between downloads and installation it will require a whole day.I have noticed that the service writers are at least listening as if I may know what is happening to the vehicle these days.At first they seemed a little skeptical when I named all the strange side effects of the EGR malfunction.I won't even get into my trips to the dealer concerning the transmission problems .
  • smilie1smilie1 Member Posts: 21
    I put one on back in May,mainly to save on replacement costs for air filters.I clean and respray it about every 5-6k miles.I didn't notice any major difference in mileage or performance,but I have a tradition of using the K&N's on vehicles with good results.I've gone about 15,000 miles since I put it on [@6000] and figure I would have needed two regular filters during that time.I think I paid near 40$ for it.
  • kyjeeperkyjeeper Member Posts: 31
    Just returned from dealer , went to dealer because of a picture of a motor light was on Egr was bad 3,000 or so miles on Jeep. Said it be a couple of weeks, drive it. There was another Jeep in shop just had tork convertor replaced this was also a new Jeep CRD. It did have the Brigdestone tires on it they look good its a shame most of these Jeeps wantn't run long enough to wear a set of tires out.
  • suzyussuzyus Member Posts: 3
    Any comments from those who purchase if you would recommend my buying this diesel for my adult daughter along with a 7 year/100,000 wrap-around Chrysler zero deductible extended warranty, since she keeps cars at least 10 years?
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! Get her a VW, Jetta TDI wagon, She'll love you for it! :D
  • frostyyfrostyy Member Posts: 52
    The CRD Liberty has a towing capacity of 5000 lbs (versus about 1000 lbs for the VW Jetta diesel Wagon). In addition, the CRD Liberty is a 4 Wheel drive vehicle (versus the Jetta Diesel wagon which is front wheel drive). Thus, if your daughter needs the Jeep to tow something, or drives in winter snow, or off-road, she may prefer and/or require the performance of the Jeep CRD.

    Also, the Jeep Liberty has more storage capacity behind the front row seats (and has a taller opening) than the VW Jetta diesel Wagon. She may also prefer the styling of the CRD versus the Jetta wagon.

    If none of these advantages of the Jeep over the Jetta appeal to your daughter, then perhaps the Jetta is the better choice given that it will get better gas mileage than the CRD.

    Personally, I don't believe you need to purchase any extended warranty. It may be a waste of money if your daughter drives normally and proceeds with the recommended maintenance outlined in the manual.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    1. VW Jetta TDI Wagon is no longer manufactured and no longer available.
    2. VW dealers are second to last in customer satisfaction and service. There are some great VW dealers, not many!
    3. I've owned 4 VW TDI over the years and they were enjoyable vehicles. I did not have many problems with them. The problems I did have were ridiculous and if I had to depend on the dealers to solve the problems I would now be broke and crazy. VW TDI is a great car for the right person. VW is now selling fewer vehicles than Kia in US, there is a reason.

    The Liberty - made in USA, many dealers, 4WD and towing capability, employee pricing on the 05's, reliability should be decent (not as good as Toyota and better than VW), good mpg compared to vehicles with similar capability, can use renewable fuel,.....

    If someone asked me what 50 mpg car I recommended I would say 06 Honda Hybrid, for a fuel efficient small SUV that can tow and go off road, there is only one and it is a Jeep.
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hmmmm...Maybe I didn't make a mistake... I just hope my Libby don't let me down. I have no faith at all when it comes to my dealer.

    Thanks....LK
  • martyzmartyz Member Posts: 21
    Here's my $0.02:

    If she wants a small/medium sized SUV with "real" 4-wheel drive and a diesel engine, then it is the only game in town. I'd go for an '06 model if you can - maybe they will have some of the bugs worked out in those (i.e. EGR, software patches). An '05 is going to be in the shop a lot, at least at first. The warranty is a good idea.

    When it's running right, it is a fun, comfortable vehicle to drive. I haven't done any serious off-roading, but it does well on gravel/dirt logging roads. The back end jumps around a bit on big bumps and washboards - not as much as the average pickup, though. The brakes have an annoying tendency to grab pieces of gravel and start squealing; more than any other vehicle I've owned. I think it will be good in the snow once it has some decent tires. It seats four adults comfortably. Cargo space is okay. The mileage is good - great for a 4WD SUV. Price on diesel varies a lot, though. I've paid 12 cents less than regular unleaded, and I've paid 25 cents more than regular unleaded. That will probably get worse in the winter months.

    Other - possibly more reliable - options exist. If your daughter can live with a lighter-duty powertrain and doesn't care about towing or the diesel, you might want to consider a Subaru Forester or Outback. That new Toyota FJ Cruiser for 2007 looks interesting, too.

    I apologize to the hard-core Liberty fans for mentioning alternatives. I like my CRD, but Chrysler should have done a better job building it.
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Do all of the Liberty CRDs come equipped with a block heater? If so, where the heck is it?
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    What's the consensus of opinion regarding the Goodyear Wrangler ST tires? I've only got 1,100 miles on my Liberty, and am already noticing some "chunking" of the tread at the outer edge of all four tires. I'm considering a switch to Firestone Destination LEs.
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    If your not satisfied with the ST's ,you could bring up to the dealer.
    I am not sure if they are warrantied,but you may get replacements,if they are falling apart.
    Most tires have a warranty these days.

    These types are only summer tires. You might want to consider getting new ones at a tire store,and return them to the dealer,stating that you are not satisfied with their quality.

    In most cases you 'll get a rebate on them.
    I have 2 sets of rims,one set for winter and one set for summer.

    I have been using Michelin LTX M/S and found these to be an excellent all season tire,that is comparably priced well. I have been getting 4 years use out of these. Quieter than the Firestone.
    I have also found the BF.Goodrich All Terrain T/A KO to be more grippier.But I only use these for winter weather.Slightly more expensive. I have had good longevity with these as well.
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! The "Tire Rack" has evaluations of most tires and the Bridgestone REVO is at the top of the list. I will be getting them in the 245-70-16 size. With this size the speedometer will only be off by 0.7%. When it reads 60 mph you will be going 60.4 mph. It would pay you to check them out on Tire Rack's site. The Michelin Cross Trails on my Cherokee are rated #4. Right now Bridgestone has a $75 rebate on a set of 4 tires!

    LK
    ST's are ok if you NEVER drive in the rain!
  • gerbsgerbs Member Posts: 11
    Yes the CRD does come with a block heater. I found my cord, for the heater, tie strapped to the oil dipstick tube.
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Thanks, Gerbs.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    How may I disable the seatbelt chime?
  • sailormonsailormon Member Posts: 48
    I just got our new lib from IN. and noticed right away that it stays in high gear right down to 53 mph, easily loafs along at 55 staying in 5th. At close to 53 it wants to go in and out. This is diferent than what I have read on the the forum so far. Also the guy who delivered it up to Grand Raby told me the car was doing great on fuel as he averaged 24 mpg which was unusual for a new car. I wonder how fast he was going? After we topped it off if you can believe the comp read out of fuel consumption, we got 29.6 for the rest of the trip traveling at 60 mph. I throw this out as I find these items to be a real good thing. While here, I will mention that I did a little experiment with the suzuki. I researched militec 1 and treated the engine with it (i would not use it in a tranny however without further research). I went from 28 mpg to near 31 whic is close to the 10% gain claimed for the treatment. This type of thing needs to be based on personal research however as I plan to use it in the lib once broken in. They advised it would be ok for immediate use but I am concerned about stretching out break in period. I hesitated to mention this as additives seem fraught with emotion for some very good reasons.Cheers BR
  • towwmetowwme Member Posts: 52
    Bucket the belt around you. It's a lot safer to wear your seat belt. I wouldn't have part of my family if they weren't wearing them. Plus it won't chime....
  • spetespete Member Posts: 73
    Last weekend I had about 150# of cargo in the rear plus 4 people - the two guys in back were 180 lbs+ - and I found that every vehicle I met was flashing their headlights at me - as if I was running my lights on hi-beam. Anyone else think that the rear suspension should be a little "beefier"? Their was really nothing I could do except flash my headlights back to let people know I did have my headlights on low beam. (suppose I could have let the guys out in back and let them walk 30 miles!) Does anyone have any sugeestions on an air lift suspension - or such?
  • farmdieselfarmdiesel Member Posts: 9
    The procedure is outlined in the manual...turning the key on and off and buckling/unbuckling the belt. I agree it is very annoying for some uses (such as slow-speed, flat surface, off-road crop scouting).
  • playgabeplaygabe Member Posts: 31
    I found that the chime is on a timer. If you can stand to listen it will go off in about 2 minutes. Other suggestion is to get a spare buckle clip and insert it while u are off road or when seat belt is not needed.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Thanks. I do not have a manual. My Liberty is a dealer trade and it arrived with no owners manual, the dealer ordered an owners manual for me although I do not have it yet.
  • chuggachugga Member Posts: 11
    I just got back from a 2000 + mile trip and am happy to report that on the first tank I got 605.4 miles ! Cruise control only used 25 % of the time . In the future I will use cruise as much as possible . We started with the tank so full you could see clear liquid fuel right up to the brim of the filler neck . It took me about 15 minutes to squeeze every last drop of fuel in . We had 4 pitstops and traffic was flowing very good . You gotta love these things...
  • lakelvrlakelvr Member Posts: 21
    After 3 tanks of fuel the mileage on my new CRD is still 22mi/gal. Flat Dakota interstate driving, cruse varied 60-75 mph, no A/C. All else was normal. This doesn't match other reports and am curious if this is break in or what? Less than 1k total miles.
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