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They go way out of their way just to try to create "The Next Aztek" to draw attention away from that bomb.
Look at this photo and tell me the Tribeca looks more like an Aztek than it does an Alfa Romeo.
Tribeca sales continue to grow and it's been far from a bomb for Subaru.
-juice
Now if you want to see a publication biased favorable to domestics (yes, there's one that actually exsists), that would be the Free Press' reviewer Mark Phelum.... Ironically, all the vehicles tested that other publications rate lower in the scales, they happen to love, prize and sing praises over it. In fact, reading his "Top 10 in each segment", reads like a GM brochure.
A very small number were affected, there are recalls on domestics that create fires all the time yet you don't see huge front-page layouts like that.
They see blood, they jump at the opportunity.
-juice
Or the "Wave up, wave down" approach....
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0509/07/01-307006.htm
First they mention the Ford recall (understandable since it covers more vehicles), then briefly mentions a Toyota recall of almost 1MIL vehicles...just 2 paragraphs which hardly detail which vehicles specifically it covers, just a vague general statement (eh, some 4Runners, Pickups, old T-100s, etc).
Then picks up again on the Ford recall and goes on and on.
And this coming from the same publication that is supposedly biased, when it gave a good review on the Fusion and it seems to contradict the perceptions some have about other automakers of choice.
Now on another story...there's many other recalls announced as well days ago which didn't even make it into the headlines of other publications, nor Detroit News.
http://www.cars.com/go/news/Story.jsp?section=news&subject=recent&story=090605storybAN&ref- erer=&aff=national
A bunch of Hyundai's (including the new 2006 Sonata which receives 2 recalls... and Tucson) already being recalled, some Kias's thrown into the mix as well. Nissan had one as well on the Murano and the Maxima...Some Inifiniti models also affected.
Even Toyota joins in with a recall on the Tundra as well the prior story posted today didn't even mention the 2nd recall...(and a few other resources I have been following as well didnt' even mention the 2nd recall). And that earned it just 2 sentences, at the end of this article. Of course, Toyota public relations will brush it off and call it a "Consumer Satisfaction Advisory" and not a recall.
Now in relation to the CRV's bursting in flames, a small number HAVE exploded, but it affects ALL the CRV's, not just a few. It's a design issue, it's just a problem IF/WHEN the oil isn't replaced in the exact methods as described by Honda's technicians. Meaning, years after when it's paid for, and chances are people are not going to the dealership to replace their oil because they just don't care or don't wish to deal with the expense, will take it upon themselves to replace it (like most of us do), then we'll see a rise and more reports of it.
Nevermind expensive things like navigation and bluetooth.
Other things needed are optional VSC and a sportshift automatic so you can control gears better then just Drive and a Low gear that's really multiple gears you can't control.
But anyway, a lot of companies today mimic the design of other vehicles. Examples? Look at the taillights of a Grand Cherokee, and then a Torrent. Or, better yet compare the taillights of an Azera with an Accord. The Accord will be refreshed for 2006 with new taillight design, so that's going to change.
And the Hyundai Sonata's designers wanted to mimic the Audi A6, and The Five Hundred designers probably wanted to go for a Passat/A6 look as well, with the curved roof.
And take a look at the new 2007 Mercedes S Class. The interior is a virtual clone to that of the BMW 7 Series.
Bottom line? Sure the lights do look similar, although since the overall look of a Fusion is so much better than a Prelude, I don't think most people are going to care or notice. Thanks anyway for that pic, I would never have noticed otherwise.
On top of all that, those are two different generation Preludes!
So really all you have is the basic front headlight shape.
-juice
The designer is actually the same person. J. Mays moved from Audi to Ford.
-juice
My point is that the new Fusion looks like it wanted to blend in with the Hondas and the Toyotas, just like Hyundai and some others are doing. Could you blame them? When you ask the avg person what they think about Accords or Camrys, they'll probably tell you build quality and reliability. The domestics (along with Hyundai) need to change that perception -- real or not.
Ford's been doing New Edge for a while now. Their light is more tapered, flaring out towards the outer sides, and the detail of the light is also quite different up close. The tails are Altezzas, so that might have been going for the import look in general, but I still don't think they copied Honda.
For the USA, it's a new look, but look at the euro Ford Mondeo, profile looks similar. Also look at the (new) euro Ford Focus and Ford Fiesta. There is a family resemblance there, we're just not used to seeing those models.
So when it replaces the Taurus, sure, it looks like no other Ford to Americans.
-juice
The more I look at it the more I like the look, hopefully it means it won't get old so quickly???
Paul
-juice
That was a great review. I have been less interested in the Fusion due its weird styling, considering instead one of the other mid-sized cars, but I am really intrigued by the handling reported by the review - and by the quietness of the car. I love my Focus for its great Euro handling, but wouldn't mind a slightly quieter car. The Fusion with a stick shift and 4 cylinder engine might fill the ticket for me. I wish they included ABS and side airbags, though.
Does anybody know? perhaps ANT?
"My point is that the new Fusion looks like it wanted to blend in with the Hondas and the Toyotas"
Trust me when I tell you, the design team did not at all use anything in relationship to Honda/Toy for even one micron of influence when it went for styling inspiration. Audi/VW, MBenz, Ford of Europe vehicles, Pinifarina were the major influential brands.
http://tinyurl.com/c9728
I think Ford got the styling just about right. Some will complain about a bit too much chrome "bling", but be assured the critics would be howling if Fusion came out more understated. Then they all would be howling about how Ford introduced another anonymous rental special, and the rants would go on for years.
They should make it big, they have to distinguish it from the Escape.
-juice
The 3.0 V6 seems just right for this car - 221 HP and 205 Ft. Lbs in a 3,280 Lb. SEL is plenty, and 21 City and 29 highway MPG on regular is good and right for the times. By the way, it is an efficient engine:
2006 Accord 3.0V6 - 81.3 HP and 70.3 Ft. Lbs. per Liter
2006 Fusion 3.0V6 - 73.67 HP and 68.33 Ft. Lbs. per Liter
2006 Altima 3.5V6 - 71.4 HP and 71.1 Ft. Lbs. per Liter
2006 Sonata 3.3V6 - 71.2 HP and 68.5 Ft. Lbs. per Liter
2006 Camry 3.0V6 - 63.3 HP and 65.7 Ft. Lb.s per Liter
2006 Malibu 3.5V6 - 57.4 HP and 63.1 Ft. Lbs. per Liter
Did anyone else notice that the dealer ordering guide indicates that Ford expects half of the Fusions sold to be equipped with the V6? Based on my observations, that is a far higher percentage than for the competitors sold in California. Anthony (ANT14) - isn't that a far higher percentage than for the Altima, Accord, and Camry?
You also said will on September 9. Wasn't that yesterday?
Engine power and torque are good for a 3.0l, but remember competitors are for the most part using bigger engines. Plus you have to account for weight and gearing.
So far 0-60 estimates are in the low 8s range, that's certainly not slow by any means but most competitors are quicker. Accord, Altima, and even Sonata are now down near 7.
-juice
ABS
Traction Control,
Side Curtain Airbags.
The fact that this equipment is optional is going to give Ford dealers a kind of back door advantage.
The window sticker markup on the base MSRP without options is around 7% and the window sticker markup on optional equipment is 13%. (not counting holdback)
So if a customer comes in and wants a car with a lot of options, there is more markup in that car and hence more room for the dealer to move to "make a great deal"
It doesn't bother me that equipment is optional if the dealers actually order it and make it available.
I just get mad when its impossible to find a car with the options that I want. For instance try to find ABS, Traction Control, or Side Airbags on a new Focus.
Very difficult.
I think Fusion is going to be very successful with pushing the Value for the Dollar.
It is my experience that Ford shoppers get very adamant about not having to pay for equipment they do not want. This IMHO is why there are no Ford models with Standard Moonroofs.
Some people are griping about some options that are not available at on all the Fusion.
Manumatic transmission
Navigation
Stability Control
mini-plug for iPod
Rear Seat DVD
The last 2 I dismiss completely because they are easily installed aftermarket. Navigation is also available aftermarket. I think people need to keep in mind that this is still a Ford.
Ford has the best selling SUV 14 years and counting, the Explorer, and 2006 is the FIRST year for factory navigation. Do Ford customers really want a $2,000 navigation system in the $18,000 car? (over 10% of the total cost of the car)
Most of the Ford customers I get look at a manumatic transmission in one of my pre-owned cars and go "what the heck is that?" not COOL, but "Oh I don't need that."
As for stability control, you just try to explain that to someone.
Well, there is a yaw sensor in the vehicle that measures actual cornering force and then compares that to expected cornering force based on speed, steering input and throttle position and uses that to determine whether the vehicle is experiencing understeer or oversteer and then activates the brake for the appropriate wheel to counteract said over or under steer and can even reduce the throttle.......
I usually just get nodding heads.... and I can almost hear the customer thinking..(ok how much is this going to cost me for something I can't understand?).
Incidently, if anyone can explain how stability control works better than that without sounding to simplistic, please let me know.
The bottom line is that THIS IS JUST A FORD! A midsize family sedan for people who already own a Ford F-150 or Explorer (thats alot of people), for one of the 50,000 people per year who trade their Mustang for a midsize, or a for one of the people that trade up from their Focus.
This car will be successful if it just conquers FORD/CHEVY CUSTOMERS switching Cam/Cord customers will be GRAVY.
Ford has the BEST dealer network in the country and we will sell the hell out of these cars.
Mark
It would have only cost a tiny amount of money per car in mass production to add an AUX input at the factory during assembly vs the cost and labor required to attempt this after the car is built and delivered. They can't say that the cost of a simple AUX jack during the design and assembly would have priced the car out of the market.
There is no need to try to explain VSC in the detail you did to people who don't want to understand it in that detail. You can just say it stands for vehicle stability control and it helps to greatly reduce the chance of the car skidding out of control or rolling over. If they want to know deep technical details, then they can ask or look it up.
It doesn't even need a super-fancy manumatic, but it does at least need more than just Drive and Low so you can hold a gear without the transmission hunting back and forth unable to "decide" which gear it should be at certain speeds especially on hills. At least an overdrive lock-out plus Low 2 and Low 1 should be on all and a full sportshift would be "nice to have" at least on the top of the line model.
Every review I have read on the Fusion comments on the the transmission and how you have zero control to hold any gear since the car will still shift several gears even when you put it in Low.
As for an aux imput on a 2004 F-150, here is a link to the page ath crutchfield.com showing the first 20 of the 83 aftermarket head units they carry with AUX jacks that fit the 2004 F-150. Prices start at $79.99.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pbT6Q2bgMGd/cgi-bin/prodgroup.asp?g=300&avf=Y&nvpair=AG_Gen- eral%5FFeatures%7CYCAUX%5FInput#see_all
Mark
Even if an AUX adapter were available now for the new F-150s, it was a 2 year wait for it now and $79 and up hardware costs plus time and labor to install vs maybe less than $5 if the car had been designed with it to begin with.
The same or worse problems may exist with the Fusion's radios.
Why make excuses for them? It would have been so cheap for them to have just made an AUX input a standard feature on a brand-new design.
You know how ABS helps you stop and traction control helps you go...Well this is a safety feature that helps prevent losing control of the vehicle (or it helps prevent skidding/sliding and rollovers). Like traction control it also helps you go in the snow, only it is better because it also helps you maintain control (so you don't slide off the road like all those 4WD vehicles). It actually works by using a number of sensors and applying the brakes to individual wheels in a way that will stop the skid and help you maintain control of the car.
In addition to reading about it, one thing that sold me on the value of this is a guy I know who has always said "gotta have 4 wheel drive" admitted that his new honda minivan with stability (and with only 2 wheel drive) was better in winter conditions than his 4WD SUV.
I
1) Paper maps / map books
2) A laptop with a map DVD and/or a cellular internet connection, which also has the advantage of having a radically larger screen than any navigation unit, all for less than the cost of teh navigation unit (making all of the other computer functions free)
3) An aftermarket navigation unit, which has the advantage of being easy to move from car to car, but the disadvantage of having a tiny screen
If you need navigation, those alternatives are poor and dangerous, not "excellent."
The laptop and portable units will go flying around in a crash, possibly impaling or killing you when the airbags go off and paper maps are extremely dangerous to try read while driving.
It is much more difficult for me to understand why antilock brakes are optional, since no human can stop a car without them as well as a car with them.
If the Ford dealers are flexible, and are willing to obtain or order cars equipped as people want them, the additional flexibility will be an enormous advantage over Toyota and Honda.
This one's last line bears quoting:
"If you are looking at a Camry or an Accord or a Volkswagen Jetta or a Nissan Altima, add a Ford to your shopping list for an infusion of American car-building at its finest."