Turbos work by compressing the air into the cylinder. High compression engines also simulate that, but to a much lesser extent. The total acceptable compression inside the cylinder is based on the octane rating of the gasoline used to prevent severe knocking (known as detonation). Turbo cars usually require premium gas. So do higher performance N/A cars with high compression engines. Lower compression engines can easily run on regular 87 gas. You CAN have high compression AND a turbo, but, you'll have to fill it up with racing gasoline - something around 98-100 octane, otherwise the engine would generate too much compression and would knock heavily.
...I waited to hear the specs on the new Legacy/Outback (after Jan 5th) before going ahead with my purchase. I wasn't overly impressed (280hp would have had me reconsider hehe) and I expect a hefty pricetag so I went ahead with the Forester.
If I wanted a truly high performance AWD wagon with a hefty pricetag I'd have to consider the S4...
It'll be awhile before we see actual curb weights for North American Legacies, but Subaru claims to have shaved 200 net pounds or so compared to the previous ones. If they actually achieved that, the Legacies won't be much heavier than the XT...
...I'm not holding my breath on those curb weights. That would be GREAT if they don't exceed 3500lbs on the Outback but even then its quite a bit more than the Forester.
I'm not saying the new Outback/Legacy won't be amazing vehicles...but I love the bang-for-the-buck provided by my Forester.
Could it be that the Legacy GT will have the identical engine the XT has but with the correct power rating published? I am holding off getting an fxt just to make sure the lgt isn't nicer.
It's possible that the Legacy turbo will have slightly different tuning and might develop some additional power compared to the XT, but I'd bet that its advantage won't be anywhere near as great as the difference between its claimed HP and the XT's claimed 210.
Forced to choose, I'd rather have leather than moonroof (leather wears like iron compared to most cloth). But I'd happily take both. And if a 5-speed automatic had been available in the XT, I just might have opted for that instead of the MT.
From pictures it looks like the hood scoop on the gt isn't so 'loud'. If the big scoops aren't needed I wonder if the 9-2 will get a scoop that'll be interchangeable w/ the wrx's.
Anyone know if the moonroof in the legacy will be big like the xts'?
Any news on possible (minor) changes to the Forester XT? My dealer is running out of 04s and is not that keen to give one away close to cost, and I may wait to the end of winter and 05. Sounds like
- slightly taller gearing to help the gas mileage - better auto climate control
are about all the FXT needs.
Chances are tehre will be no changes with the focus on legacy/OB???
James- No news yet but that hasn't stopped us from speculating :-)
You're right though that any changes will probably be minor. Like offering the PP with the MT (which Canada already gets) and maybe a little tweaking of the color choices. I seriously doubt we'll see any changes to the gearing or climate control (welcome though they would be).
There are scores of Future Vehicles discussions. Which one? I looked in the one for Forester, and several for Legacy etc., and never found one with as many as 12,000 messages.
I wanted to run this by everyone to see what everyone thinks about my problem. I have had my XT AT for about two weeks. Noticed on cold starts (go right out start the car and drive) that the transmission appears to slip when brakes are applied/when the car slows down. The transmission slips usually once or on a rare occasion twice. Now its been pretty cold up here in the northeast but today it was 45 degrees and the transmission slipped. The slippage does not occur once the car is warmed up. Could this be the start of transmission problems?? Has anyone else experienced this problem?
first, don't hit the browser refresh button after posting, you'll double post. you should be able to delete the extra one. Use the Message Center button to see new posts.
second, check your tranny fluid level. The procedure is in the owner's manual :-) IIRC, the engine should be warm and on (and in park or neutral with the brake on). Gotta rule out that the fluid isn't low.
Did another 200 mile loop in to/out of L.A. yesterday. Is it my imagination or is my suspension (now ~700 miles) becoming just a tad more forgiving/compliant? The road just didn’t seem quite as harsh. New ‘metallic’ tint is amazing at cutting down heat and annoying glare. Dampens headlights in the rearview nicely too. FWIW, saw one other Forester (Gen1 Silver X) and several Scion boxes (wild colors - dark tinted glass - one kid even had a - highly illegal - tinted windshield) looks like these things are becoming the new Civic. All driving like fools, of course...
Just got back from the mountains....a few random thoughts....
-Drove great in the twisties and completely owns any incline. -After 400 miles in 3 days I still want to go for my nightly joyride. -Am also loving my new metallic window tint.
-I am completely astounded that any car maker put out a car that has a speedometer this hard to read. In bright sunshine coming down the mountains I couldn't read any controls with my sunglasses on. That's unsafe. -HAL2000....It's 21 freaking degrees so HAL feels I need some A/C. C'mon. Even just changing the fan speed kicks in the AC? Another unsafe distraction on mountain roads that were demanding my complete attention. I felt like HAL2000 was fighting with me (or at least mildly mocking me).
Got back to town and did some car shopping with a friend. Sat in the Volvo XC90, BMW X5 and Toureag. The Toureag is hands down the nicest of the three. Saw an X3 on the lot....looks like a $40k slow Forester. :-)
After 4000 miles and my first long road trip I find my urges to joyride mixed with looking forward to my next car that definitely will have a well behaved climate control and easy to read gauges.
I wonder if the dealer can chip the climate control. Maybe a frontal lobotomy for HAL 2000 is in order?
For everything Subaru got right, I still find myself hung up on the shortsighted design of the climate control and the gauges. (did I make that clear yet? :-) )
I'm no fan of the CD/Radio display - the illumination is too dim even in regular ambient light. They could really stand to make that better.
Have you tried sunglasses with a different colored tint (colored tint - oxymoron?)? In any event, colors get filtered differently depending upon the tint. Green tint totally obliviates the radio - I can't tell if its on or not by looking at the display.
After you turn on the radio/CD, etc. push the volume dial IN for a second or two. The display will brighten (if, like me, you drive around with your lights on all the time).
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Price ?????
DaveM
P.S. Oops, wrong board. Thought I was posting at nabisco. ;-)
I was pulling your leg. My father was amusingly famous for installing "enhancements" into his cars with zero regard for how they looked.
I got $5 that says the Forester smokes it off the line ;-).
overtime
DaveM
If I wanted a truly high performance AWD wagon with a hefty pricetag I'd have to consider the S4...
overtime
I'm not saying the new Outback/Legacy won't be amazing vehicles...but I love the bang-for-the-buck provided by my Forester.
overtime
I'm sure both have their pros and cons ( Forester XT has swampy ;-) )
Maybe it will be more civil than the other Forester XT vs. ??? topics :-)
DaveM
I am holding off getting an fxt just to make sure the lgt isn't nicer.
DaveM
Weight will be only marginally more. Sportshift is a biggie. But having it means the XT might get it next.
Moonroof is very nice, but you can't get one without forcing you into leather also.
So nice to have choices, but my ideal car still does not exist. I want a moonroof but no leather, on a turbo 5MT or Sportshift.
-juice
Still, my concern was holding down costs. They made leather standard on the Outback turbo, that won't help.
-juice
Anyone know if the moonroof in the legacy will be big like the xts'?
See Future Models, loads up juicy info there.
-juice
John
-Frank P.
Steve, Host
- slightly taller gearing to help the gas mileage
- better auto climate control
are about all the FXT needs.
Chances are tehre will be no changes with the focus on legacy/OB???
You're right though that any changes will probably be minor. Like offering the PP with the MT (which Canada already gets) and maybe a little tweaking of the color choices. I seriously doubt we'll see any changes to the gearing or climate control (welcome though they would be).
-Frank P.
John
-Frank P.
John
Actually, I rarely venture out of the Crew neighborhood so it never occurred to me that there were other Futures discussions :-)
-Frank P.
Or go to the main TownHall page and look for the Top 10 Discussions section. We're #1! ;-)
-Brian
Subaru Crew - Future Models II
Steve, Host
I bet your commute has doubled now that you look for all the curvy routes. (the commuting mileage that is, not time <g>).
Steve, Host
DaveM
second, check your tranny fluid level. The procedure is in the owner's manual :-) IIRC, the engine should be warm and on (and in park or neutral with the brake on). Gotta rule out that the fluid isn't low.
-Brian
Is it my imagination or is my suspension (now ~700 miles) becoming just a tad more forgiving/compliant?
The road just didn’t seem quite as harsh.
New ‘metallic’ tint is amazing at cutting down heat and annoying glare. Dampens headlights in the rearview nicely too.
FWIW, saw one other Forester (Gen1 Silver X) and several Scion boxes (wild colors - dark tinted glass - one kid even had a - highly illegal - tinted windshield) looks like these things are becoming the new Civic. All driving like fools, of course...
-srp
Offhand, I say it might be time to check your tire pressures!
-Drove great in the twisties and completely owns any incline.
-After 400 miles in 3 days I still want to go for my nightly joyride.
-Am also loving my new metallic window tint.
-I am completely astounded that any car maker put out a car that has a speedometer this hard to read. In bright sunshine coming down the mountains I couldn't read any controls with my sunglasses on. That's unsafe.
-HAL2000....It's 21 freaking degrees so HAL feels I need some A/C. C'mon. Even just changing the fan speed kicks in the AC? Another unsafe distraction on mountain roads that were demanding my complete attention. I felt like HAL2000 was fighting with me (or at least mildly mocking me).
Got back to town and did some car shopping with a friend. Sat in the Volvo XC90, BMW X5 and Toureag. The Toureag is hands down the nicest of the three. Saw an X3 on the lot....looks like a $40k slow Forester. :-)
After 4000 miles and my first long road trip I find my urges to joyride mixed with looking forward to my next car that definitely will have a well behaved climate control and easy to read gauges.
I wonder if the dealer can chip the climate control. Maybe a frontal lobotomy for HAL 2000 is in order?
For everything Subaru got right, I still find myself hung up on the shortsighted design of the climate control and the gauges. (did I make that clear yet? :-) )
Have you tried sunglasses with a different colored tint (colored tint - oxymoron?)? In any event, colors get filtered differently depending upon the tint. Green tint totally obliviates the radio - I can't tell if its on or not by looking at the display.
Larry
Bob