Subaru XT Turbo Forester

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  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    OBW XT w/ 250hp/250tq, 17" wheels, available 5EAT SportShift (w/ steering wheel buttons) w/ VTD. AND a 5MT w/ a moonroof.

    Price ?????

    DaveM

    P.S. Oops, wrong board. Thought I was posting at nabisco. ;-)
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    Ballistic - if you're worried about the aesthetics,

    I was pulling your leg. My father was amusingly famous for installing "enhancements" into his cars with zero regard for how they looked.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    Turbos work by compressing the air into the cylinder. High compression engines also simulate that, but to a much lesser extent. The total acceptable compression inside the cylinder is based on the octane rating of the gasoline used to prevent severe knocking (known as detonation). Turbo cars usually require premium gas. So do higher performance N/A cars with high compression engines. Lower compression engines can easily run on regular 87 gas. You CAN have high compression AND a turbo, but, you'll have to fill it up with racing gasoline - something around 98-100 octane, otherwise the engine would generate too much compression and would knock heavily.
  • overtime1overtime1 Member Posts: 134
    ...basically a much heavier Forester XT with a 5spd auto? :-)

    I got $5 that says the Forester smokes it off the line ;-).

    overtime
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    You're just jealous. ;-)

    DaveM
  • overtime1overtime1 Member Posts: 134
    ...I waited to hear the specs on the new Legacy/Outback (after Jan 5th) before going ahead with my purchase. I wasn't overly impressed (280hp would have had me reconsider hehe) and I expect a hefty pricetag so I went ahead with the Forester.

    If I wanted a truly high performance AWD wagon with a hefty pricetag I'd have to consider the S4...

    overtime
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    It'll be awhile before we see actual curb weights for North American Legacies, but Subaru claims to have shaved 200 net pounds or so compared to the previous ones. If they actually achieved that, the Legacies won't be much heavier than the XT...
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    Is the pricing on the Legacy available yet? I've heard that the base is $27K or $28K. Several grand more than the XT.
  • overtime1overtime1 Member Posts: 134
    ...I'm not holding my breath on those curb weights. That would be GREAT if they don't exceed 3500lbs on the Outback but even then its quite a bit more than the Forester.

    I'm not saying the new Outback/Legacy won't be amazing vehicles...but I love the bang-for-the-buck provided by my Forester.

    overtime
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    a Forester XT vs. Outback XT topic in the future. :-)

    I'm sure both have their pros and cons ( Forester XT has swampy ;-) )

    Maybe it will be more civil than the other Forester XT vs. ??? topics :-)

    DaveM
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    Why would you expect that? I'm already preparing for the "less filling - more taste" diatribes!
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    Could it be that the Legacy GT will have the identical engine the XT has but with the correct power rating published?
    I am holding off getting an fxt just to make sure the lgt isn't nicer.
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    It's possible that the Legacy turbo will have slightly different tuning and might develop some additional power compared to the XT, but I'd bet that its advantage won't be anywhere near as great as the difference between its claimed HP and the XT's claimed 210.
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    has a different intercooler. It's supposedly more efficient.

    DaveM
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    250/250, yes, but Forester XT is already 250/265, so what's the real output for the Legacy?

    Weight will be only marginally more. Sportshift is a biggie. But having it means the XT might get it next.

    Moonroof is very nice, but you can't get one without forcing you into leather also.

    So nice to have choices, but my ideal car still does not exist. I want a moonroof but no leather, on a turbo 5MT or Sportshift.

    -juice
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    Forced to choose, I'd rather have leather than moonroof (leather wears like iron compared to most cloth). But I'd happily take both. And if a 5-speed automatic had been available in the XT, I just might have opted for that instead of the MT.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    At least the stuff in the Outback XT is perforated.

    Still, my concern was holding down costs. They made leather standard on the Outback turbo, that won't help.

    -juice
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    If it's true I can go buy a cloth FXT this evening.
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    I've never owned a car with it. No doubt it's more comfortable, but doesn't it kinda defeat the wipe-up-the-spills ability of the unperf'd kind?
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    From pictures it looks like the hood scoop on the gt isn't so 'loud'. If the big scoops aren't needed I wonder if the 9-2 will get a scoop that'll be interchangeable w/ the wrx's.

    Anyone know if the moonroof in the legacy will be big like the xts'?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    False alarm. One site only mentioned the OB-XT Limited's contents. The OB-XT base will get cloth.

    See Future Models, loads up juicy info there.

    -juice
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    now we will all have the envy bug.

    John
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Hey Jack, thanks a lot for posting my email address ;-) FYI: I deleted my original post after getting Sam's email.

    -Frank P.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    RunSilentRunDeep@MissleDude.com
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Smaller Forester makes some bigger SUVs look foolish (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)

    Steve, Host
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Any news on possible (minor) changes to the Forester XT? My dealer is running out of 04s and is not that keen to give one away close to cost, and I may wait to the end of winter and 05. Sounds like

    - slightly taller gearing to help the gas mileage
    - better auto climate control

    are about all the FXT needs.

    Chances are tehre will be no changes with the focus on legacy/OB???
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    James- No news yet but that hasn't stopped us from speculating :-)

    You're right though that any changes will probably be minor. Like offering the PP with the MT (which Canada already gets) and maybe a little tweaking of the color choices. I seriously doubt we'll see any changes to the gearing or climate control (welcome though they would be).

    -Frank P.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    check out Craig's rpm vs mph graph over in future models. Impressive.

    John
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    Didn't find it.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    It is one of the 204 posts from yesterday! Probably somewhere around #12970.

    -Frank P.
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    There are scores of Future Vehicles discussions. Which one? I looked in the one for Forester, and several for Legacy etc., and never found one with as many as 12,000 messages.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    The post is # 12962 in Subaru Crew Future Models II. Sorry, I don't know how to post a link and it won't let me copy the image either :-(.

    John
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Jack- There's only one "true" Future Models discussion :-)

    Actually, I rarely venture out of the Crew neighborhood so it never occurred to me that there were other Futures discussions :-)

    -Frank P.
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Go to the Subaru Crew Owners Club topics (in the Owners Club section). Then find Subaru Crew - Future Models II.

    Or go to the main TownHall page and look for the Top 10 Discussions section. We're #1! ;-)

    -Brian
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Or click here:

    Subaru Crew - Future Models II

    Steve, Host
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Lol, another blue highways fan!

    I bet your commute has doubled now that you look for all the curvy routes. (the commuting mileage that is, not time <g>).

    Steve, Host
  • johnnyxtjohnnyxt Member Posts: 15
    I wanted to run this by everyone to see what everyone thinks about my problem. I have had my XT AT for about two weeks. Noticed on cold starts (go right out start the car and drive) that the transmission appears to slip when brakes are applied/when the car slows down. The transmission slips usually once or on a rare occasion twice. Now its been pretty cold up here in the northeast but today it was 45 degrees and the transmission slipped. The slippage does not occur once the car is warmed up. Could this be the start of transmission problems?? Has anyone else experienced this problem?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    or he's still dragging from yesterday. :-)

    DaveM
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    first, don't hit the browser refresh button after posting, you'll double post. you should be able to delete the extra one. Use the Message Center button to see new posts.

    second, check your tranny fluid level. The procedure is in the owner's manual :-) IIRC, the engine should be warm and on (and in park or neutral with the brake on). Gotta rule out that the fluid isn't low.

    -Brian
  • johnnyxtjohnnyxt Member Posts: 15
    Brian. Sorry for the double post. Thanks for the advice. I did check the tranny fluid yesterday. I thought the same thing. Level is ok.
  • akasrpakasrp Member Posts: 170
    Did another 200 mile loop in to/out of L.A. yesterday.
    Is it my imagination or is my suspension (now ~700 miles) becoming just a tad more forgiving/compliant?
    The road just didn&#146;t seem quite as harsh.
    New &#145;metallic&#146; tint is amazing at cutting down heat and annoying glare. Dampens headlights in the rearview nicely too.
    FWIW, saw one other Forester (Gen1 Silver X) and several Scion boxes (wild colors - dark tinted glass - one kid even had a - highly illegal - tinted windshield) looks like these things are becoming the new Civic. All driving like fools, of course...

    -srp
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    Is it my imagination or is my suspension (now ~700 miles) becoming just a tad more forgiving/compliant?

    Offhand, I say it might be time to check your tire pressures!
  • stuhallstuhall Member Posts: 59
    Just got back from the mountains....a few random thoughts....

    -Drove great in the twisties and completely owns any incline.
    -After 400 miles in 3 days I still want to go for my nightly joyride.
    -Am also loving my new metallic window tint.

    -I am completely astounded that any car maker put out a car that has a speedometer this hard to read. In bright sunshine coming down the mountains I couldn't read any controls with my sunglasses on. That's unsafe.
    -HAL2000....It's 21 freaking degrees so HAL feels I need some A/C. C'mon. Even just changing the fan speed kicks in the AC? Another unsafe distraction on mountain roads that were demanding my complete attention. I felt like HAL2000 was fighting with me (or at least mildly mocking me).

    Got back to town and did some car shopping with a friend. Sat in the Volvo XC90, BMW X5 and Toureag. The Toureag is hands down the nicest of the three. Saw an X3 on the lot....looks like a $40k slow Forester. :-)

    After 4000 miles and my first long road trip I find my urges to joyride mixed with looking forward to my next car that definitely will have a well behaved climate control and easy to read gauges.

    I wonder if the dealer can chip the climate control. Maybe a frontal lobotomy for HAL 2000 is in order?

    For everything Subaru got right, I still find myself hung up on the shortsighted design of the climate control and the gauges. (did I make that clear yet? :-) )
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    I'm no fan of the CD/Radio display - the illumination is too dim even in regular ambient light. They could really stand to make that better.

    Have you tried sunglasses with a different colored tint (colored tint - oxymoron?)? In any event, colors get filtered differently depending upon the tint. Green tint totally obliviates the radio - I can't tell if its on or not by looking at the display.

    Larry
  • bobshere1bobshere1 Member Posts: 59
    After you turn on the radio/CD, etc. push the volume dial IN for a second or two. The display will brighten (if, like me, you drive around with your lights on all the time).

           Bob
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