Subaru XT Turbo Forester

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I remember that, Dennis! Fond memories.

    512s are just $49 a pop fron Vulcantire.com, add shipping and mounting and you're still well under $300.

    Plus - they ought to last longer than the all terrain tires you have now. I have a set on my Miata and they grip very well.

    -juice
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    How are the 512s in the snow? Can I get away with them here in the Northeast? I really don't want to switch to snow tires in the winter.
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    My '01 Forester came with the same Yokahama Geolanders that my '04 XT has. I got rid of them at 54K and they could have made it a bit longer. I drive mostly twisty-turny mountain roads. I think you got some time left before you need to spend a couple hundred dollars on tires! But check out the tread at the tread wear indicators to make sure the grove there is not flush with the top of tread.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The Falkens are on my Miata and I never, never, ever, drive that car in the snow. Waaaay too light and not nearly enough protection to play bumper cars with the overconfident Excursions out there.

    They're good in the rain, though.

    -juice
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Member Posts: 501
    Thanks. I think my problem is that I had gotten used to driving trucks and SUVs with really deep tread. I am nowhere near the wear indicators, but looking at my tires with 11k on them made me wonder how long they might last, especially after having been told by several people that one disadvantage of AWD is that it really eats up tires. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, depends. I got 28k out of the OE Desert Duelers (a lousy tire they thankfully discontinued), but my Nitto NT460 tires have 36k miles on them and they're still on the Forester! :-)

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Like Elissa, the tires on my 01 Forester lasted more than 50k miles. Also, I don't agree with the statement that AWD eats up tires. I'd never have gotten to 50k if that were true. I think someone is confusing AWD with part-time 4WD (which will chew up tires on dry pavement). The only other way AWD could be responsible for increased tire wear is as a secondary byproduct of aggressive driving (which AWD could arguably encourage).

    -Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What you do see is more even tire wear.

    On a FWD car, especially a powerful one, the front tires will wear much, much quicker than the rears. They're doing 100% of the acceleration, 90% of the stopping, 100% of the steering, and carrying 60% of the weight.

    AWD actually evens out the burden a little so you should see more even tire wear. You should still rotate your tires regularly, of course.

    -juice
  • frankiextfrankiext Member Posts: 6
    So, I just got back from camping in the Sierras and logged my miles v. #gallons. I'm kinda a geek that way. I got 22 MPG just like Brian, used the AC a little and some irregular speeds, windy roads, had the tire pressure at 30psi. I guess I'm satisfied with the 22 MPG but thought that I'd get 23-24 since the engine is broken in (1500). Any sound advice on how I can improve my mileage even more? When should I use the 1-2-3 gears, on steady uphill roads? Don't have my owners manual handy.
    Do I need to change my oil soon, my saleperson said something about an initial oil change the day I bought my XT but that was a looong day and I forgot exactly what he said. A little help please?
    PS. I guess now that I've had my XT for 5 weeks, finally have an idea for improvement. On auto trans, the ride would be even smoother if it was 5 spd auto instead of 4! Oh, and the "armrest" should really be called an elbow rest, needs to move forward 2 inches!! Move the butt warmer buttons to in front of knobshift area, you know, that deadspace next to lighter outlet. That's pretty much my dream "SUV".
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    1500 miles is past the break-in period, but the engine is still very much green. Mine kept loosening up until about 15,000 miles, when I started reaching peak fuel efficiency.

    Just for fun, I chart my mileage. My best ever only occured after 3 years of use! And my first year average was 2mpg lower than what I'm getting now.

    Basically, you don't even want to lug the engine, put a load on it below 2000 rpm. Beyond that drive smoothly and try not to waste momentum. Any time you use the brakes, think of it as lost energy.

    Drive safely though! :o)

    Also, the Forester is boxy, and wind resistance increases with the square of speed. So mileage will drop the faster you go on the highway. You'll do better at 55 than you will at 65, or 65 vs. 75.

    But you got a turbo, 22 mpg is already high for such a high-performance engine! Count your blessings...

    -juice
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    To get the best MPG, don't baby the car - with the auto trans, make sure to give it enough gas that the tranny downshifts when you're accelerating, otherwise the engine will be bogged down and the turbo will kick in more often than necessary. When driving on the highway, cruise control will help boost the MPG.

    Mine is a 5-speed and I have 12,000 miles on it. The MPG has been improving little by little - I started out around 20-21, now it's closer to 22 overall. Highest I ever got was 25.8, lowest was 19.5 on the initial tank from the dealer. That was the only time I ever got below 20.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I wouldn't even count that because you can't be sure the tank was completely full.

    -juice
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    Nor can you be sure the tank was completely empty. Which might explain some outlier mileage reports.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    True, one tankful by itself isn't very significant, but a running average is. I've actually filled up my tank 131 times since I started tracking it.

    25mpg on my '98 Forester L.

    -juice
  • frankiextfrankiext Member Posts: 6
    Juice- thanks for the advice. I needed to get a realistic idea of how long it could take to improve MPG. Count my blessings? OK 1,2,3. . 23,24.
    You guys know that at this music festival I went to, there was a bluegrass band that toured 8,000 miles filling their van with vegetable oil??! Really! Hmmm, wonder what their MPG is? Though I wouldn't try it on my turbo engine but it's great what the near future can bring! Cheers everyone!
  • miamixtmiamixt Member Posts: 600
    IS required at 3000 Miles or 90 Days. Then in increments as specified by the Manual depending on what Climate Zone you are in. My Salesman had also told me about the Initial Service, and I forgot what he had said.
    My XT is coming up on a Year, who here (and I know I won't get an answer) takes their Subaru in for the Annual Safety Inspection, and how much does the Service Writer Smile when he tells you the Price of this hidden Maintainence requirement?
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I know some states require an annual safety inspection but Florida doesn't. I sure hope someone at the dealer didn't bamboozle you into thinking that Subaru requires one.

    -Frank
  • miamixtmiamixt Member Posts: 600
    and yes Frank, you are correct about Florida, they gave up on any Safety Inspections (including Food & Infectious Disease) about 3 years ago, however on Page 39 of the 2004 Warranty and Maintenance Booklet it says...

    "In furthering our continued interest in Highway Safety, SUBARU of America, Inc. Urges each SUBARU owner to have an Annual Safety Inspection made on his or her Vehicle. The Safety Inspection is to be made in addition to the reccomended periodic Maintainence Services. The safety Inspection is a Maintenance Service and is not covered under the SUBARU limited Warranties".

    I have a 2 Year Pre Paid SUBARU Scheduled Maintenance Plan and the Gold Plus Service Contract and yes, the Answer is no, not covered!
  • ugly2ugly2 Member Posts: 22
    I'm about to purchase a pop-up trailer and was wondering if any of you all have had any experience in towing with your FXT 5-speed. Any comments are appreciated but I was trying to figure out the GVWR. I believe the brochure says 2500 and the owners manual says 2400. Which is correct? Also I'm putting on a 7 wire adaptor cable to be able to run the fridge off the alternator while driving. It doesn't appear that the wiring on the FXT is the correct gauge. All of the wiring looks to be 18 gauge and I've been told that that wire needs to be 12 gauge. Any thoughts? Do I even have the right group of wires located? I'm looking at a rather small white female connector located in the right rear back corner just under the edge of the floorboard.

    Thanks
    John
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    In furthering our continued interest in Highway Safety, SUBARU of America, Inc. Urges each SUBARU owner to have an Annual Safety Inspection made on his or her Vehicle

    Well I agree that performing regular safety inspections is a smart idea and I would "urge" everyone to take that advice. HOWEVER, unless a safety inspection is "required" by your state, it's not mandatory but a recommendation only. And in any case, it's something that many people can perform themselves or have their local mechanic do. You certainly don't "have" to go to a Subaru dealer but if you choose to do so, you've no reason to complain.

    -Frank
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    With all the hoopla surrounding the new turbo Legacy and Outback, I thought it was time to revisit the Forester turbo, to see how it stacks up against the newcomers. It's been over a year since I last drove one, so I'm due for a test drive anyway...

    A few things:

    • The new Legacy and Outback have certainly clouded the issue, no doubt about that. Trying to decide between these three is not an easy job. No wonder there are so many people here on the "fence."

    • One thing they have corrected with the '05 model is that it now has a "cruise" and "(cruise) set" light on the dash which brings the Forester in line with all the other Subies.

    • The other thing, it didn't seem as outlandishly fast as the last one I drove. That could because of two things: (1) I've driven several turbo Legacys and Outbacks, so some of the luster of the turbo Forester has been lost, and (2) the salesman who accompanied me was close to 400lbs., if not more.

    In any case it is still a kick-butt fun car to drive. I love now having a moonroof available on the 5-speed turbo, and the leather was nice too. Now if they could only tighten up the suspension and steering just a tad...

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They've also re-tuned the throttle-by-wire, so you might have to really floor it to get the same response as before.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I think the Vegas ride and drive left you "velocitized"!

    LOL on the 400lb. salesperson.

    Or, they may have tweaked the ECU programming too.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    That guy was huge. He was so big it affected my shifting as his left thigh hit the shifter when I was going into 5th gear!

    Bob
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Not so fast XT?? Maybe the 05 really does have only 210 hp???

    Any other 05 differences of note, besined the obvious (3 spoke steering wheel)? Have they fixed the blue flecks in the cloth interior. What about the climate control/HAL?

    Figure the second year XT is a good buy, all the bugs ironed out...only problem is that there are none yet in western Canada, no brochures, no Canadian specs yet on subaru.ca. All I know is that there is a $400 price increase.

    Crystal gray FXY MT by winter...JP
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    It's fast, make no mistake. it's just that I've driven a bunch of fast Legacy & Outback turbos, and they feel faster. Also, I wasn't kidding about having to tug along a super-obese passenger. That certainly didn't help matters.

    Bob
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    That's hilarious. I'll bet that guy doesn't sell any WRX's.
    "Dude, I thought this car was supposed to be fast, but I can barely get it to accelerate!" LOL
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    They indeed redesigned the AC controls for 05 but we've yet to hear from an owner to find out if they're satisfied that HAL has been tamed ;-)

    -Frank
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    I see swampy hijacked Ed's screen name again. :D

    DaveM

    P.S. Congrats Ed on ordering an F-XT.
  • corkfishcorkfish Member Posts: 537
    Strange, I've heard others on NASIOC say that the Legacy's and Outbacks don't feel as fast as the XT ( they thought the gearing might be why).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, consider that he hurt your power/weight ratio by well over 10%.

    -juice
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    >>>>>
    I see swampy hijacked Ed's screen name again. :D
    <<<<<

    LOL
  • ugly2ugly2 Member Posts: 22
    Not to be rude or anything but can anyone please reply to my post on towing, #4655? Or are we stuck on the fat guy subject for an few more days?
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Can anyone help John out?

    tidester, host
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    John

    All '05 Foresters can tow 2400lb if you have trailer brakes, that's for both automatic and 5-speeds. '04 XT automatics are rated for 2000lb IIFC. If your trailer does not have trailer brakes, your Forester and all Subarus are only rated to tow 1000lb. Sorry, I can't answer your wiring questions.

    Bob
  • kev_xt_ownerkev_xt_owner Member Posts: 41
    I'm also interested in the wiring for towing.

    I recently ordered a small cargo trailer that I'll be using occasionally to carry my motorcycle and sometimes cargo. I thought it would be best to order the Subaru trailer kit and had it installed by the dealer. Unfortunately, the trailer kit doesn't have any type of brake controller even though Subaru recommends trailer brakes for towed weights greater than 1000 pounds. The local trailer company where I ordered my trailer also was unsure about the wiring. I've done extensive searches on the internet for the Subaru wiring and emailed Subaru but neither were successful in locating the wiring assistance necessary to install the brake controller with existing wiring.

    Has anyone else had a brake controller installed?
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Thanks!

    tidester, host
  • steve7steve7 Member Posts: 5
    Hello Subie fans,
    My wife has a 1996 Legacy L which I find OK for local trips, but not very peppy merging on to the highway. I have been thinking about the a Forester turbo or a Honda Accord V-6 for the past several months, and it seems that the 2004 models are bargain priced right now. For example, a NH dealer has several Forester XTs with auto, leather, and sunroof for about $24,500. I believe that the invoice on the comparable 2005 model is about $26,800. If these figures are correct, the 2004 leftovers look like a steal. My questions:
    1) Have the "bugs" in the 2004 model year been bad enough to pass up a bargain price?
    2) Are there significant new features on the 2005 to justify paying about $3,000 more? From what I've seen, a power driver's seat is the only new feature on the XT.
    Thanks for your help!
    Steve
  • miamixtmiamixt Member Posts: 600
    now is a good time to purchase the XT, but your Prices seem somewhat off? In answer to your questions, the 2004 Model has a few Bugs, and a few Rattles, I would not pay an extra $3K for the new features, but if I had to do it again, I would not of gone with the Premium Package, and might not of bought the Forester. It's great for going Straight, and pulling away from others at a Green Light, however it's a trade off at other Speeds, and who here needs to bolt through an Intersection?
  • ugly2ugly2 Member Posts: 22
    When I purchased my trailer hitch off a web site I also purchased the 4 wire connector which they said hooks to the connector located in the right rear corner of the Forester near the spare tire. I've found a somewhat small connector but can't confirm if it's correct as I haven't received my hitch yet. I also purchased a 7 wire adaptor. One of the extra 3 wires is for the electric brakes, another is for the charging of acessories in the trailer and I forget what the third is for. Maybe that will help with your brake wiring question. I'll know more after I receive my hitch and see my trailer dealer to see if I've got it wired right.

    Later and thanks for the help,
    John
  • edunnettedunnett Member Posts: 553
    I have the '04 Forester XT and if I could go back I too would buy the XS. I love the green light race, but I pay for it at the pump! I miss the moon roof though! I'd trade my turbo for a big moon roof. Don't get me wrong - I do LOVE my new car! I would not have paid more than $300 extra for the 2005 model. Unless I felt they made the automatic climate control reasonable to negotiate with. I shopped for this car for a full year and if I had 25K in my pocket again, I'd go with the Subaru Forester or Outback without a second thought.
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    I'm assuming its a 12 vdc fridge or does it run through a DC>AC inverter?

    If it requires 15 amps it will be fine with #14 wire. If 20 amps then #12 wire. This is the same gauge used in most residential wiring. There's a chart of wire gauges vs current handling capacity that you can probably find on the web.

    If its straight DC, and you don't know the amps, but do know the power required, the amps can be back calculated. The same is true if you're powering a DC>AC inverter, except you have to take into account the power loss the inverter adds to the system.

    I'd be surprised if the current is as high as 15 amps. Figure that's enough to run the average side-by-side home refrigerator.

    If you have any of the specifics, post them and we'll see if we can't refine the information a step or two.

    HTH - at least as a starting point.

    Larry
  • ezshift5ezshift5 Member Posts: 858
    .....is a pretty gutsy admission..and I respect that.

    Looking hard at the '05 FX with the 30 EPA HWY rating.......and concurrently saving my Naval Reverse pay.......

    any '05 FX fuel efficiency feedback avail? B, ez
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    John: only a few Forester owners tow, and XTs are only a small subset of Forester sales.

    I have towed, but only with my 1998 L model. It handled about 1500 lbs well. Had to slip the clutch a little more, but my clutch is still the original at 65k miles, even my brake pads are still the originals.

    I got the OE hitch, which I believe has changed now, they use a different supplier. Subaru also provide a harness that plugged right into the wiring in the spare tire well (yes, that's it).

    But you're right, it's just the 4 connector type. I have not tried a 7 connector harness because the trailer I borrowed (Bob's) has 4 connectors.

    Braking distances took a little longer, and it acclerates from a stop like the '96 Honda CR-V I test drove - i.e. slow.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    are for trailers without electric brakes. They will work if you have surge brakes. 7-connecor wire are for trailers with electric brakes.

    Bob
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    I went from a '96 Legacy L which was comfortable and reliable, but couldn't get out of its own way, to a 2004 Forester XT which is less comfortable, and has some idiotic features (brainless climate control, choking seatbelts), but is FAST.

    The Legacy averaged 25MPG on regular, the FXT gets about 21-22 on premium.

    In hindsight, I should have waited another year or two, and got the new Outback or Legacy. But as far as overall utility, the Forester is hard to beat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Remember the 2005 XT is rated for better mileage. Small improvement but still, let it be noted.

    -juice
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I had a '00 Outback wagon and loved it. Replaced it with a '04 F-XT MT and love it even more than our Outback. I actually think the F-XT rides better and quieter than my Outback did, but both are comfortable in my book.

    -Brian
  • ezshift5ezshift5 Member Posts: 858
    .....is a pretty gutsy admission..and I respect that.

    Looking hard at the '05 FX with the 30 EPA HWY rating.......and concurrently saving my Naval Reverse pay.......

    any '05 FX fuel efficiency feedback avail? B, ez
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