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Brian :shades:
I think the engine is crap, personally. The gas prices though, seem to make it look better. Why not just put the 275hp engine from the Trailblazer at least as an option. That would be nice too.
Second, for anyone in the Northeast, try Karl Hummer in New Canaan, CT. They are great to deal with and will accept Supplier, GMID, etc. We bought my wife a beautiful red H3 and they were absolutely great to deal with. Did everything by email and phone and only went there for delivery. Mileage is about 18.5 so far with almost all frewway driving on the dreaded I95 in CT.
Steve, Host
I just started looking at the H3 and like it a lot!! Looks like the Jeep Commander on steroids!!
Bill
Yakima as of yet does not have a system specifically for the H3, or any other for that matter.
any suggestions?
Clark
Clark
I purchased my H3 about a month ago and just topped 2,000 miles on it. For the last 500 miles I noticed a loud whine coming from the front and some serious vibration at the gas pedal when I was cruising at around 25 MPH. I also had a few instances of the H3 actually shutting off while I was cruising down the road, and I had to shift to neutral and restart it.
I took it into Hummer of Orlando and after several hours of looking at it they found a problem with the Transfer Case. I honestly don't know what the problem was, but it was severe enough that the transfer case has to be replaced. They don't have any parts since H3's were just released so for now until the forseeable future I am in a rental pick up truck.
I don't know if this is a production issue etc since this is the first year of issue....but if you have noticed any of the problems I described, or something doesn't feel right....I would advise you to take it in and get it checked out right away.
I drove H3 with all three addons. It was auto and mine is 5 speed, not the same. I like manual better. Good luck
It's a good looking vehicle, but there just doesn't seem to be much difference between the H3 and a Cherokee, except the back quarterpanels. Heck, even the front grill is hardly discernible without counting the spaces. Jeep owns the four wheel market. Jeep's been there done that before the H-whatever was a twinkle in somebody's grandfather's eye. Jeeps are engineered better, and built stronger. I'm not gonna disrespect the H1....that is a POWERFUL :mad: beast of a machine, but Hummer sold out with the H2 :lemon: .
Heck, you lost god knows how many inches of clearance when they switched to a straight axle from that transaxle.
YOU DRIVE A PRETTY, OVERSIZED, LUXURIOUS BRICK! My Wrangler is shaped like a brick, but I can go ANYWHERE! Anyone interested in a little contest? Come to VA, and let ol' JeepHead take you muddin'! We'll introduce you to the HRT, and that's not the Hostage Recovery Team, it's the HUMMER Recovery Team :P .
Sincerely,
JeepHead
I was planning to buy a Jeep, but pound-for-pound, the H3 is simply a whole lot more vehicle for a little more $$ and has a few features actually developed after 1970. BTW, do you troll on the 4Runner and Pathfinder sites too?
I happen to like Jeeps....used to own a Grand Cherokee and my father has an old beat up wrangler from the early 80's that is still going strong. So I won't return the favor of bashing jeeps.....no real reason too.
I will tell you that I bought my H3 for 1 very good reason.....I wanted one. I am not the type to go off roading so frankly I could care less whether your Jeep could outperform the H3..........though I think you are selling the H3 short as far as offroad performance......I have no reason to believe you Jeep won't out perform it.
I do like the fact that if I ever want to sell my H3 the resale value will be considerably more than your Jeep......I also like the fact that just about everyone else on the road breaks there necks to get a look at Hummers.....I am sure you get plenty of looks driving in your muddy Jeep....NOT!!!!
Anyway.....enjoy your Jeep.....we'll keep enjoying out H3's......and everyone will be happy
Thanks,
Bill
I was in a bad mood, it'd been a long day, etc....Whatever, I hope you guys can forgive me...I've got MAD respect for the H1, but the H2 I can't say anything good about.
Take care,
JeepHead
So, your wife drives it to work? Does she carpool several other people in it? If not, what a waste of fuel! Why doesn't she get herself a nice hybrid and do something to save the planet? I bet they are offering sweet deals on hummers now, with gas around three dollars a gallon. Sure, they are great fun to have on an off road adventure, but vehicles like the hummer use so much gas that it costs the rest of the country more to fill up their more economical vehicles because large vehicles create more demand. Thank you!
Congratulations on being the post that angered me enough to get me out of lurking and finally open an account. People like you are so incredibly short sited, and I don't really know why you are wasting your time posting in a forum on the H3 where people are legitimately interested in the vehicle and don't want to waste time reading your junk.
There are a lot of scientific studies that indicate that hybrids may ultimately be a loser in the end. Do we need to do something about gas consumption, yes. Let the market system just do its job though. There are people out there who do need the vehicles. I don't think most work men are going to be able to haul a payload or tow with a honda civic hybrid after all. And, quite frankly, living in the snow belt in New York State, I sure as hell wouldn't want to drive something that wasn't at very least AWD (and having some ground clearance and a low range transfer case has saved my butt big time).
I'll be the first one to agree with you that having a H1 for everyday driving is pretty insane. But, if you can afford a $130K vehicle, you can pretty much probably do whatever the hell you want. The H2 in my opinion is somewhat of a dumb vehicle. And quite frankly, I wouldn't want to be averaging the 10 mpg that most people get out of it.
As for the H3. Is it a little silly? Maybe. But, GM did go with a I5 powerplant for gas savings, and from what I've heard, they are doing better on MPG than my I6 Envoy and my girlfriend's Silverado V8. Yes, we drive trucks. Do we hate the environment? No, quite on the contrary. But, I'd love to see you put 1500 pounds of building supplies in the back of your Ford Escape Hybrid, or tow a boat with your Toyota Prius. And, I bet they'd do fantastic busting through 24 inch snow drifts!
Anyway, thanks for angering me enough to waste my time posting this. For the record also, I'm a big proponent of forced induction and diesels right now for bringing up MPG. And, I don't own an H3 and probably never will (I feel they are a touch underpowered for their weight). Nevertheless, this is a fantastic niche vehicle for certain people. And, if a soccer mom wants to do an urban assault in her H3, at least she's getting around 18 to 19 mpg in the process.
Have a nice life, and enjoy your latte! :P
tidester, host
Thanks,
ok, so it's not a mpg revelation. But it's also flamed for being underpowered for any serious off-roading.
So that just leaves it as a middle-of-the-road SUV with the only thing going for it is it's attention getting looks. (whether they be good or bad attention)
Key word there is MAY.
Do we need to do something about gas consumption, yes. Let the market system just do its job though.
Right, advertise that "attention getting" is the most important aspect of a vehicle.
There are people out there who do need the vehicles. I don't think most work men are going to be able to haul a payload or tow with a honda civic hybrid after all. And, quite frankly, living in the snow belt in New York State, I sure as hell wouldn't want to drive something that wasn't at very least AWD (and having some ground clearance and a low range transfer case has saved my butt big time).
yeah, the housewife commuting to work needs the heavy hauling abilities.
Puh-lease, I live in New England and haven't needed AWD for the past 40 years of my life...what decade did you grow up in?
Anyway, thanks for angering me enough to waste my time posting this. For the record also, I'm a big proponent of forced induction and diesels right now for bringing up MPG.
Yeah, let's talk about the diesel Jeep Liberty and it's 18 mpg performance....not very impressive for a diesel
-Luxury pkg
-automatic
-chrome appearance pkg, chrome wheels, chrome tubular step bar
-side curtain airbags
-roof marker lights
-sunroof
I am interested to find out how much everyone here is paying...they are quoting me with 4k down $544 a month..that seems pricey huh?
The H3 is being flamed for being a gas hog, but quite frankly, it's much less of a gas hog than many competing SUVs. I know for a fact that it takes a small miracle to get 18 to 19 mpg out of most Jeep and Ford engines, even the 3.7L that is in the Liberty. Hell, the new Dodge Durango 5.7L V8, which retards 4 of the 8 engine cylinders for highway driving is still only rated at 19 mpg by the EPA (and, 14 mpg city).
As for it being flamed for off roading. If you read the forum, and have ever been in an H3, you would know that is not correct. Power is not particularly important for offroading. Crawl ratios, approach angles, etc. are what is important. I have been in an H3 through a demonstration course, and the vehicle is absolutely incredible for offroading, especially with the adventure package and a manual. Quite frankly, you really aren't going to be going quicker than 5 mph in most of these situations, so as long as you have gearing, you'll be fine...
As for nitromax,
Yes, the key word is indeed MAY. My point is that we need to look at other technologies also. Everyone is in love with hybrids now and these vehicles may ultimately be losers. My point is that we shouldn't throw out fuel cells, hydrogen power, forced induction, etc. and dump all of our resources into researching a loser. Nissan actually is one company that is refusing to jump on the band wagon because their management feels that hybrids are not the way to go. The only vehicle they are offering in the near future is an Altima hybrid, primarily due to market pressure.
My point about the market system was concerning gasoline prices. Saying that SUVs create more demand is downright stupid. As far as I'm concerned, all that oil is these days in another form of currency. You buy a car for $25000 instead of $20000, you just spent up $5000 more that you could use to buy gasoline for it. If gas prices go high enough, less people will want to drive vehicles that get crap for gas mileage. Everything is supply and demand. If I drive my SUV 10000 miles a year for the same price that you can drive a Honda Civic for 15000 miles a year, and for that reason I decide to ride my bike around town for local errands to cut down on my mileage, how the hell am I increasing demand?
Where in New England do you live? The mountains? Are you familiar with the downwind lake effect areas in New York State? Let me give you a picture, it starts snowing here roughly around December 1 and often doesn't really quit until the lakes freeze, usually in February. This is on top of any snow we get from non lake effect weather systems coming through. Do you experience that where you live in New England?
And, when I brought up diesels, I was more thinking about the ability to convert heavy duty pickups to biodiesel (I've seen it done), and also the MPG coming out of turbo diesels in VWs. Quite frankly, if people really want to save the environment, go get a TDI volkswagen that gets near 50 mpg. Screw hybrids in that case...
I don't have any leasing experience, but I thought the idea was to put as little down as possible.
Here's a recent story about Nissan's hybrid position: Hybrid Cars a "Terrible" Business Prospect (Inside Line)
Maybe y'all can take the hybrid talk to the Hybrid Vehicles boards?
Steve, Host
Ohum
Please go back about 200 posts and start reading...it will only take you a few minutes....everything is explained and who to contact!
Steve, Host
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending upon your perspective, image can have as much or more influence on purchase decisions as the actual merits of the product. In the case of the Hummer, this was profitably exploited by the company, using their "conquer the world" advertising theme. My brother in law traded a more practical but ubiquitous Expedition for an H2. His wife hates the rough ride, noise and crappy mileage so much that they use her sedan for frequent weekend trips with their two kids. He even admits that the purchase was a mistake and is now looking at a Range Rover Sport.
The H3 may indeed have a different set of attributes than the H1 and H2, but underlying the marketing theme is the entrenched brand image of Hummer. That's hard to overcome, as GM's failure to convince younger buyers that "it's not your father's Oldsmobile" proved. Frankly, I don't think GM/Hummer should try. Rather, I think GM needs FEWER marketing people and more senior executives, engineers and UAW workers who are truly passionate about building great vehicles and focus upon the "substance". Something that has been lacking at GM for a long time. Do that, and "image" will take care of itself.
P.S. I can't remember the last time a saw a paid advertisement for a Porsche 911S. But I bought one - on its merits - after test driving everthing I could get my hands on.
The H3 is a welcome return to what SUVs were 20 years ago; rugged, offroad capable, economically powered, reasonably comfortable, and affordable. Killer looks too. I haven't owned a GM vehicle in 30 years. But I bought an H3, almost in spite of GMs marketing.
If GM can get prospective Jeep and 4Runner buyers past the strongly negative H2 perception and into Hummer dealers, they can sell a lot of H3s.
Also did you use a GMID to purchase?
Thanks
'baronplt1@yahoo.com
And the Honda Accord Hybrid is rated at over 35 mpg and it gets in the high 20's instead.
Not everything is as it seems. (ratings included)
I always look at Diesels as being dirty but getting good mileage....so what happened to the Jeep Liberty? Maybe 20 mpg is good for a Hummer.
1. SER 4WD display comes on when you start the engine. The display message goes off when you turn the engine off and then back on. Dealer worked on this problem twice, but they did not fix it.
2. Shift Lever stuck in Park. The shift lever can’t be moved to out of Park. Dealer end up replacing a module, but that did not fix the problem. It doesn’t happen all the time. Mostly in the morning. However, the dealer told me what to do if this happens so that I don’t have to tow it to the dealer. There is a release button on the right hand side of the Shift Lever. You can access it by removing a shifter lever leather cover.
3. Air conditioning problem. The AC is on as soon as the fan is turned on (AC on, meaning compressor is on). You don’t need to push the AC knob for the AC to be on. The only time the AC goes off is when the temperature knob is rotated to the maximum heat. As soon as you rotate it CCW one notch, the AC comes on (Compressor is on)