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As I said - the tire choice bothers me the most ("touring all seasons" for the top of the line Hemi-C - they are what you comes on family sedans!). This makes me worry that the suspension/brake upgrades are still not quite sports package stuff. However, some of the early reviews (Autoweek,....) were extremely positive on many fronts so there is hope that the "C" option upgrades work.
Hopefully, the next reviewers will push them on the regard - as to the tire choice/lack of performance package. Seems like a simple PHP like option for tires/wheels, brakes, suspension upgrade would do it - but if they didn't put it together for this major launch when will they?
So for my guesses:
1. Saving for Dodge Magnum w/RT Sedan - 50%
2. Will add PHP option to 300C - 10%
3. Bless an aftermarket tuner package - 10% (dare I think AMG! Would be very cool, but probably many $$$)
4. Saving for Dodge Charger - 10%
5. None will be offered on this model line - 0%(hope not)
So I'm afraid I think #1 is most likely but its odd in that they would then be positioning their 300 series performance heritage car as the high end luxury car but cede the performance top end to Dodge?
is listed, along with a statement saying "Late availability". Meaning the early buyers won't have it equipped on their vehicles, meaning that when it will be available, the Hems C's price will need
to be adjusted upward. Okay, I guess that's plausable.
Also, we had kicked the battery placement here already, but the catalog reveals that the battery is indeed "in the trunk". Back in the 70's the Vette's had their battery in the rear,
not sure if they still do, but how did / does Chevy vent the battery case to prevent hydrogen buildup??
Best Regards,
Shipo
My 96 Buick Riviera had the battery under the BACK SEAT! Don't know how it was vented because I never had a problem.
fastdriver
Has anyone heard anything as to if they will ever plan to offer laser cruise control?
I love gadgets, and as far as I can tell, these are the following items the new 300 will not have, however the only places you can usually get them are on outrageously expensive cars:
1. Laser cruise control.
2. Parking radar in the front.
3. Rear looking camera.
4. Adaptive suspension(s)? (does the new 300 do
anything in that department, or is it
a normal suspension straight up?)
5. Massaging Seats
6. Keyless entry and drive (ya know, just
walk up and it unlocks)
7. Air bladders in seats that adjust to
help you take the curves (mercedes has that)
For the new 300c to only be missing these
ultra fancy options, is a testament to how
incredible this car may/will be. $37,000 maxxed
out? Incredible. I would love to go into
all the features that car DOES have, but
everyone here already knows!
P.S.-If anyone else can think of any other
fancy pants features (they are cool of course),
that already exist in the world, it would be
fun to hear them.
Does anyone know about how long it takes for the cars to ship from Brampton to the Detroit area? Going through customs and into the local distribution system. It is a half day drive from Brampton to Detroit but we all know that is the easy part of the trip.
I often wondered why Detroit never thought of the use of a fuel tank-like access door mounted flush on the rear of the hood to provide an easy way to refill the windshield washer tank.
"I love gadgets..."
Have I got a car for you! :-)) My cousin stopped by yesterday with his new black BMW 745Li. Talk about gadgets. Now I know why all the tests I've read about this car talk about how complicated it is to "operate". You almost need a co-pilot! ;-) I don't want to get yelled at for being off topic here, so do a Google search and read about all the gadgets this thing has. One quick one- push a button on the bottom left part of the steering wheel if you are in bumper to bumper traffic and every time you stop, you can take your foot off the brake and the car will stay. Touch the gas and off you go. Stop again and it repeats itself.
Glad to hear that the 300's are ROLLING now. Maybe all those who ordered one will be on the road soon.
fastdriver
To fleet sales only.
He claims he was told (salesman's honor) that the JS coded cars for customers and dealerships will not begin shipping until March 29th.
How they could possibly calculate any specific date when there is a rail strike on is beyond my level of BS purchasing power.
I have to say, the more I see it, the more it grows on me. It's different that anything out there and if I were to buy a car, I kind of want that. Plus, this one ad is about as many as ever saw for the 300M. And, they got rid of that stupid Drive=Love slogan.
Above is an article about the Magnum and 300 that is completely devoted to how these two vehicles handle in bad weather. It appears that AWD on the 300 and Magnum may not be necessary.
I don't work for any car company. And pictures tell me enough to know this car angers the design senses. There is nothing good looking about it. The grill area is huge, the car is boxy and doors to glass ratio is totally out of whack. Its just ugly, not much more I can say.
I don't think it looks bad, I just wish Mopar would take a good close look at those awful choice of colors being offered to the public.
My dealer was able to give me the last 8 characters of my VIN and told me it was D status.
I told him about the March Event Letter.
He told me he heard the date was April 21st and that was when they would receive their first 300's.
I told him I heard they were storing built units for release to coincide with a marketing event.
Of course I am hoping my car will be shipped by then as well.
How long has it been taking to get from D to JS?
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The 300c has a distinctive style. Some people will
think it is obnoxious, many will find it attractive.
As styles change, some times what initially appears odd becomes a classic beauty.
In the case of the above link however we have classically hideous.
To each his own.
http://www.cars-on-line.com/50merc14151.html
Yea, if you had a 50's MERC it would be nice!
fastdriver
As for how long it took for my vehicle to go from "D" to "JS", I posted both, so I do have the actual dates when I inquired about it. It doesn't truley represent the actual build time, but you can use it as a guideline. My VON# was:12157108
Placed the order: Jan 16th
In "D" status by: Feb 9th
In "JS" status by: Feb 26th
My dealership is planning an unvailing of sorts, complete with brats & coke, on April 22. So, they need to have a few vehicles in-place by that tme, so guessing that I should have mine on, or around, April 15th.....
Next they will tell us we don't need the enlargement supplements if we drive a 300c.
Soozpk, thanks for the info. It appears I started a month behind you with an order on Feb 16th.
I'm not sure when I hit D status but it was on or before March 12. If I extrapolate your timing, mine should be built by the end of the month and perhaps a delivery on or before the April 22 event.
I hope they don't let the coke drinkers into your or my car.
If I see a bunch of strangers in my car tweaking with the bells and whistles, maybe I can get the dealer to knock off a few hundred as it would then be classified as a demo??? LOL
"The battery was moved to the trunk to assist weight distribution."
How MUCH could a battery help with weight distribution. I think it's more because there's no room under the hood! Just a guess.
fastdriver
Can I assume that the "trip computer" would include things such as inst and avg mpg? Has anyone got any info on the functions that will be available in the VIC? Thanks..
I was quite impressed with it too. I guess this might be a replacement for our Grand Marquis. Oh, she wants the Hemi!
I have the trip computer on my '94 Lebaron. I use it generally to see the average miles per gallon I'm getting. It also shows distance to empty, and can be set for kilometers. It also has a digital compass, and outside temperture reading. It has a few more goodies, but I don't use it enough to remember. Like I said, I pretty much use it just for the mpg.
The VIC is where you will set the his & her things, such as steering wheel height, power pedels,
mirrors, seat adjustment, radio settings, and whatever.
Brats and coke?
Your dealership has a Bobby Brown daycare onsite?
As for the "trip computer", it is surely the same one they've been putting in Dodge's, Chryslers and Jeeps for the past six years. Temp and direction, a running tally of current fuel MPG average, a couple other options I can't recall because I never needed them, and the DTE indicator.
Damn Tank Empty indicator. It supposedly tells you how many more miles you can push fate before running out of gas. On my Durango the unit will claim "0 miles" until I run out, when in fact the tank still has five gallons left in it (this is because Durangos cool the oil pump in the gas tank and it needs five gallons to do so, so they tweaked the guage...scary yes). I discovered quickly however that my Jeep's DTE indicator is spot on perfect.
We ran out of gas the second day we owned it....cause I'd grown accustomed to the Durango's innacurate readings on the same issue.
Actually, after shelling out about $38,000+ after the smoke clears, it would be nicer to take all the new owners out for steak !!! LOL
They did have the big format 300 C brochure and a smaller one with a mail-in interest card. I agree with whoever mentioned the waste of premier large format pages. Geez, at least 4 big pages were wasted with a picturre of a pile of clay, and two with the Chrysler logo. They could have used a couple of those pages for more of the specs, pics of the trunk area, etc. And because of the reflective lighting when they took the pictures the exact colors of the cars were difficult to ascertain except for one shot of the titanium silver color. Another great plus for the marketing people. Geez...
The Pacifica's grill is not attached to the hood either and it garnered a five star crash rating. I'm guessing that the crash tests have something to do with the decision. Well, that and the fact that anyone over 5'2 would have to duck just to check the oil if they had attached the rent-a- fence grill to the hood.
Personally I would have preferred a full tilting front end, ala Corvette, but I am assuming that they will include that option, five point harnesses, roll cage, and factory supercharger when the 300C SRT-12 is introduced later in my dreams.
http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=40037
fastdriver
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0403/15/autos-92110.htm
As long as people keep populating the roads with more of these very large vehicles, designers are going to respond by raising the height and sides of the cars that need to share the road with them. I just had the experience of having a full sized truck come over the top of the bumper of my 98 Camry. It did no discernable damage to the truck and 2K$ to my Camry. This was in a 5 mph collision. In a higher speed collision, the taller vehicles will tend to cause severe upper body injuries to the occupants of the lower-slung vehicles as they plow over the top of them. Taller cars with higher steel sides may not be the most esthetically pleasing solution or the best handling solution, but they address the present reality of sharing the highways with a still increasing percentage of tall/massive vehicles. Everyone is preparing for urban combat with their ride.
The domestic makers also seem to have addressed many of the worst quality issues. I have been riding in foreign cars for 20 years, but I now have 2 serious domestic options for my list for a new daily driver: the 300C and the Cadillac CTS. Frankly, I would have preferred a slightly more modest grill on the 300, but both they and Cadillac seem to sense the need to make a bold statement with their latest cars. I just hope the grandiose grill doesn’t get perceived as something like a woman of modest means wearing too much costume jewelry. Realistically, nobody with any knowledge of cars is going to mistake the 300 for a Bentley or a RR. I just want a “premium” brand with good performance, quality, comfort and safety at an attractive price-point and I could certainly live with a less flashy look. I want to see the 300C in person before I buy.
of cars is going to mistake the
300 for a Bentley"
Those of us that like the grille aren't Bentley wannabees. We like the massive grilles of the 1960 Chrysler 300F and the 1960 DeSoto.
http://www.moparpicturebook.com/newpage64.htm
http://www.moparpicturebook.com/newpage73.htm
stephen
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287429343
fastdriver: While "Inspiration Comes Standard" might not be the catchiest tagline, I think the new commercials are very well done. Perhaps not as beautiful as the black and white Celine ads, but certainly much more informative. Either way, I really like the new campaign.
-- Mark
I think the grill will draw negative reactions from some people who would otherwise buy the car. Some people may love it for differing reasons. This car, like any other car, isn't perfect, but I am still thinking about spending my hard earned money for one. I wouldn't take any comments about cosmetic design personally unless I was part of the design team.
Re: the BIG grilles from the past; after looking at the photos of the 300F and the DeSoto from 1960, I'd like to see Chrysler just retrieve the tooling for the '60 300F and make more of them, of course with updated engine/transmission/suspension, etc.. Those cars made a STATEMENT..! (OK, now there's an open ended lead-in for you pundits!)