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Any details on why it handles so poorly? I didn't want to register, but my guess is it's the tall, skinny, cheap (bad combination) tires, since the suspension design is top notch.
The underpowered part I can understand. 20 lbs/hp is a bad power to weight ratio, especially when peak power is way up there at 6400 rpm. They would have been better off using a detuned version of the 3.5, which probably costs less to produce anyway (2 cams instead of 4). They probably used the 2.7 for EPA ratings.
"That was a 300Z sir?"
"No, a 300C"
"Yes, a 300Z"
"No...a 300 - C, as in C is for cookie, Si senor, Oh say can you see...."
"Oh, OK,the one by Nissan, here's your quote!"
"...Gieco is out of thier minds."
ALL insurance companies are out of their minds and so are the state departments that regulate them! KEEP SHOPPING!!! You'll find something "reasonable". Try this site-
http://insweb.com/
fastdriver
Isn't it sad? WHY they EVER call these people "customer service reps" is BEYOND me! I think they need to give IQ tests before hiring for a job where someone has to deal with the public on important issues!
fastdriver
He blamed it on the tires: He said "the sidewall deflection gave the car a squirmy feeling, a tail-wagging hysteresis (the mechanical difference between cause, i.e., steering input, and effect, sidewall loading and unloading). On a straight bit of road, I tugged the wheel left and right and the 300 sashayed like Veronica Lake through a hotel lobby".
In his opinion, it was "unsafe at highway speed". I wonder what Ralph Nader would say?
Good for you! All is takes is PATIENCE and PERSISTENCE! I got those qualities from my FORMER car ownership! ;-))
fastdriver
from what i understand, the base and limited have a softer suspension....the touring and C are firmer. i recently drove a touring model and it seemed just fine to me...
I gave up waiting for the silver 300C I ordered January 13th to be scheduled for production, and bought a black one out of the dealer's inventory.
stephen
Is different everywhere! For everyone! The car itself doesn't have that much of an impact anymore. Now days 90% of insurance company's base it on your credit. You have good credit you get better rates.
The on line tire guys do not, YET, have any plus Zero sizing information and there are no 55 series tires -- and, as I recall, no 50 series tires that would maintain the proper rpms. 225 x 60 x 18" "ought to" translate into ABOUT 245 x 55 x 18" -- which in a UHPorMAX performance summer only tire, should improve the handling without seriously degrading the ride or road noise.
Or, will buyers be foreced into aftermarket wheels and tires and possibly forced to 19" wheels to maintain proper geometry?
My point, even the 300C seems "under - tired". . .
The car does matter, apparently more than your age. My wife was told that the rate on our Mercedes-Benz C230 is high because of the car, despite our ages (41 and 46).
I agree. 245/55-18 seems like a much more reasonable size (and it would fit on the factory rims), but even then that's not wide for a car this size. BF Goodrich makes the g-Force T/A KDWS in this size, and they don't cost that much. I would check the clearance before I upgraded though.
The base/Touring/Limited is a much harder problem to solve. 215/65-17 is something that belongs on a minivan! There are currently no good alternatives that I know of. The best I could find is the Goodyear Eagle LS (which is not that great of a tire) in 235/60-17. Again, I would check clearances.
The problem is that with a diameter of 28" (base/Touring/Limited) to 28.6" (300C), these tires are really up in the light truck category, so it's hard to find high-performance rubber.
Now, back to the 300 ...
Yeah, you would probably have to go to 8" rims with a different offset to get those to fit. It might tear the suspension up too. Still, 255's -- that's a 10" patch of rubber on the road. :-)
the reviewer over at usatoday said the base and limited had a softer suspension...and that touring and C were firmer...that's what i was basing my info on.
225mm divided by 25.4 = 8.86" X 60% = 5.31"
5.31" X 2 = 10.62" + 18" wheel = 28.62" tall tire.
245/55R-18:
245mm divided by 25.4 = 9.65" X 55% = 5.31"
5.31" X 2 = 10.62 + 18" wheel = 28.62" tall tire.
They are the same height.
Not too bad.
Yes, I special ordered it, has my name on sticker "Made Especially for...".
After reading many post that people ordered in Jan.
Wondering why I got mine in only 3 weeks?
Pick it up tomorrow, looking forward to it.
Magnesium Pearl/Dark Slate/Medium Slate Leather.
Regarding car insurance. I also have "Geico".
When I read someone paying $1,200 + for 6 months.
I for sure was ready to not buy this car.
I called "Geico" today to be sure & only $85.00 increase per 6 months.
I guess being 46 is finally paying off, as I will
only pay $820.00 per year for this 300C. 200 deductible.
Good luck to all buying this great car!
It had a quick 30 second introductory video with 2 Silver 300Cs - one obviously with the ESP off as it was oversteering throughout the entire video with the second right behind it.
Also, there was a three minute video talking about the 300's ABS/ATCS/ESP systems and how they work in poor conditions. And one of the cars they had in the video was in Lava Red - I liked the color - it is very close to black and depending on the light either looks dark maroon (almost brown) or a deep red (similar to the Wilson Golf Driver).
In addition, there is also the opportunity to order the Road & Track 64-page supplemental on the 300 (already have two so I didn't order).
TT
Come on SRT version...I want a borderline harsh suspension, if necessary, to get .85 G or more on a skidpad. Plus, at 5.3 sec 0-60, I wonder how much tweaking would be necessary to get it into the coveted 4 second area....
I am very very impressed with the build quality of this car; best yet in my now 63 new cars that I have purchased since 1950, including 2 Benz's. I had been very unhappy with Chrysler's build quality on my previous 3 but this on is very well screwed together.
Got a big kick out of driving back home to Ashburn during the evening rush hour from DC, etc.; quite a few other drivers did a double take and hovered around, checking it out. If that is any indication of prospective sales, Chrysler should have a winner. Car drove and rode well, engine is very strong, and the suspension and tires are taut, firm, and QUIET.
I'll be happy to answer any questions; either here or via e-mail; have pretty well gone through the manual.
So far as I can tell at this point, the exhaust system is NOT stainless steel as was on the LH series, but it is a true dual system.
Looking forward to driving this one.
While looking over (actually under, lying on my back) a 300C in the parking lot of my local CarMax / Chrysler dealer it appeared to me that there is a very (!) large single muffler located roughly under the back seat area, and then the system splits into dual rear mufflers and tips.
Did I miss something?
- Ray
Wondering what this hemi would sound like through MagnaFlows . . .
How big is the gap between the hood and the grill?
some parts are indeed shared with mercedes. i understand the seat frames and steering column are shared with e class merc. suspension is based on the e class but no parts are interchangeable between the two. the LX cars are wider and longer than the e class. also, the five speed automatic in the C model is a mercedes designed, but chrysler built unit...
I love the MB cruise control stalk, but I have trouble with the power seat adjuster. The recliner button is placed directly over the rear part of the seat adjuster button, so it's easy to raise the rear part of the seat, but very difficult to lower it, since there's no way to get at the top of the button. Has anyone figured out how to do this? Maybe I'm doing something wrong...
> suspension is based on the e class but no parts are interchangeable between the two.
I crawled under the car to have a peek. :-) Front is short-long arm, with seperate lateral and diagonal links on the bottom. Everything appears to be cast iron in front.
The rear has large stamped-steel lower lateral arms that carry the springs (inboard) and shocks (outboard), and cast aluminum diagonal links. There are also dual cast aluminum upper lateral links, and what looks to be some sort of compression link in the upper-rear. I think this last one is for toe control during heavy braking.
OT: The puddle lamps in the front doors are cool too!
;-)
You'd think, on a big, pretty, special deal like this, they'd have had a team of proof-readers. I'd like to volunteer, if I get to drive, of course....
Kelly
I'm actually glad the new C has a higher seating position, as it's been harder and harder for both of us to get out of the Intrepid since a really bad motorcycle accident three years ago.
The lower trim levels don't have chrome mirrors/door handles, the tail lights seem different, and the headlights are definitely different. This is just from looking at pictures, I'm sure there are many more if you get to see them next to each other.
Kelly
hoping an SRT version has the 6.1L motor and is an AMG-terrorizer on the cheap