Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Don't Tempt Me!!!!!!! ;-)

    I must confess, I started washing the inside of my rims this weekend. ;-)

    tom
  • moutbackmoutback Member Posts: 39
    <<I'm getting a sound like rattling aluminum sheets from the center pod above the trip computer. Anyone else the same? I guess it's my next sound deadening project. ;-)>>

    I've had that in my OBXTL since day 1, but it comes and goes. I haven't heard it in weeks, but when I last heard it I thought it was coming from the auto-dimming mirror.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Yeah, I had noise from the mirror too. Guys, when you hear the noise, reach around the back of the mirror and fumble with the large connector going into the mirror -- put a little pressure on it, and see if the noise goes away. If so, it's the same exact noise I had. I wedged some foam in with the connector and it seems to have fixed the problem temporarily. The real noise is coming from inside the mirror, probably parts flexing differently, but putting a little pressure on the connector seems to limit the movement.

    CRaig
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    foam, bungie cords... geez, you engineers. :-P

    hehe

    ~Colin
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    You should see what I can do with duct tape...

    bwah-ha-ha
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Bungie cords are incredibly useful!!!

    Actually, if I tap inside the center cubby I can reproduce that aluminum sheet sound. I know there is some metal framework inside there- just don't know how to damped it yet. ;-)

    Maybe a little duct tape? LOL!

    tom
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Funny reading these comments on squeaks. It was just last night that I commented to my wife while driving that my 05 XT Ltd seems to have numerous squeaks and rattles. My 00 OB did not make a peep in the 4.5 years I had it. Somewhat disappointing.
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Craig,

    Received my subwoofer from subaruparts.com yesterday. Having reviewed the instructions, one would think that this is a very straightforward process. Well, experience tells me different.

    From your experience, can you provide any useful tips/tricks to quickly resolve any probs I may encounter? Also, can you approximate the time required to re/re the console and install the sub? This would help me determine if the install is doable one evening after work or requires a more time during the weekend.

    Thanks in advance.

    Cheers,
    Jay.
  • rwoodsrwoods Member Posts: 129
    You should go to some of the classic car shows and you'd really see some serious detailing going on. Talk about fussy. These guys shine their carburators, dust everything. I love seeing a car from the 50s or 60s looking better than new. They seem to stop time making their cars seem ageless.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Do the install during the day on a weekend when you're bright-eye bushy tail.

    Evenings + afterwork[especially weekday] usually = impatience and breaking or scratching something up. It's a proven equation for me.

    -Dave
  • rob_mrob_m Member Posts: 820
    Definitely not on a Sunday afternoon, either.

    Two weekends ago, I had the heating panel removed to change the bulbs on my 99 GT, and wouldn't you know that I broke the little e-clip that holds the hot/cold cable to the unit. I found one at the local hardware store 10 minutes before they closed. Cost 11 cents. Of course, it was bigger than the original. I could not face taking apart the unit again, or going without heat for a week, so I made it fit. At least I can laugh about it now!
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I would plan on spending 3-6 hours when you have plenty of light. Take your time, and have some thick towels around to cover the seats and center console to protect them against scratches.

    The instructions will have you pull up the entire center console including armrest, but that is not necessary in my experience -- just remove the trim panel around the shifter to get started -- it pulls up (if auto trans, start by pulling up the chrome ring around the shifter and then hook something in the gap to pull the panel up / if manual trans unscrew the shift knob and then pull the panel up by putting your fingers under the edge where the boot ataches). From there work forward.

    You can also remove the boot around the parking brake for more access to the center console. The boot just clips to the console along the bottom and left edge of the brake.

    The radio/hvac stack is heavy and clumsy, so take your time lifting it out. You may be able to pull it partially out, rest it on towels (maybe have a helper hold the stack in place), and then connect the sub harness and ground screw without totally disconnecting and removing the radio. Just depends how much slack is in the harnesses for the radio and hvac. Sometimes they tape the harness into a bundle and you can untape it for more slack.

    Just plan to take your time and, wherever possible, minimize squeaks and rattles when putting everything back together.

    Thankfully, there is an abundance of room behind the radio/hvac stack (especially behind the hvac portion) so you don't have to worry about crowding wires/etc.. back there. Makes it easy to put the radio back in.

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I have a 6 pack on bungies and use them all the time. A must-have.

    -juice
  • stimuluststimulust Member Posts: 8
    Thanks to all for the tips, comments and suggestions. This forum rocks and is SOOOO helpful to one entering the subaru world. Both myself and my new OBXT thank you.

    I waxed my '05 silver OBXT over the weekend. I looked all over for Klasse and then came back to the forums to realize I needed to order it online. I am doing that now based on the numerous recommendations. Instead I used a three stage mother's approach - cleaner wax, sealant glaze, carnuba finish. It came out very nice but my arms were sore from waxing the car three times in the 3+ hours that it took. Needless to say, I love my OBXT and even waxed the door jambs. I thought it would be good to wax the rear step but realized too late that it was not a good idea, as 1) it was slippery to stand on and 2) the black plastic formed a white glaze that was difficult to wipe off. Thankfully, it came perfectly clean with a little Dawn.

    Many threads have debated the use of cables, chains, etc. and gone so far as to recommend the scc z-chains due to their low profile, but no one has seemed to use them. There is the issue of the R2, R3 and the CHP (I live in California) and the fact that the OBXT comes with all season tires (potenza RE-92) AND is AWD so you just need to 'have' chains in your possession and not necessarily use them. If I get something and actually do get stuck, I would like to have something that actually works and is not just a trunk ornament that allows the CHP to let me pass. Sooo...

    Has anyone heard of or used spider spikes, aka spikes spider? A friend in Big Bear said that they were the best, but were expensive. Google and you will find a swiss company that offers a premount to the hub (through the lugs) and then a snap and lock piece that sort of grabs the tire but does not go around the back side. Their thing is that they attach easier and faster than chains and that they are low profile as they do not reach around to the inside of the wheel. From what I can tell from their website, aside from the lugs there is no touching the rims, ergo, no scratched or marred wheels. They sound nice aside from the price tag, but I would rather get something that was easy and actually would add traction in the case that it ever becomes a necessity. Comments?

    thanks,
    -jer
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    I've not personally used them, but a friend used them for years on his Saturn and liked them. Aside from the ugly plastic thing that remains on the hub all the time, I really like them. When it's time to use them, they just snap onto the hub and you're off in seconds.

    Brian
  • itseditsed Member Posts: 17
    I agree with the other guys. I got my sub as part of the deal on my car, and yesterday it took the dealer over three hours to install it. So it does take some time and care.

    BTW, I also got the Momo knob for the 5EAT and really like it. Feels much better running through the gears manually.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Aha! So that's what those ugly things are that I see on Saturns all the time! I had no idea that they were for these "Spider Spikes". I have to admit, I have *only* seen them on Saturns, not on any other make.

    Another mystery solved. Thanks!
  • hilberthilbert Member Posts: 103
    You are right Stimulust. The forum really rocks. Some really knowledgable people here. I am really impressed with what all you guys can do. I am the complete opposite. I have my OBXT for about 5 days now and I have not even installed the all weather mats which are lying in the trunk (is that what you call the cargo space in a wagon, I don't know). I should do it soon.

    Hey any of you guys have got the windows tinted? Does the dealer provide this kind of service. I think I should get them tinted.
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    I used to ONLY see them on Saturns (in fact, the Saturn dealer was the only place I ever saw them for sale) because Saturn discouraged the use of any cable or chain on the wheels due to lack of clearance. Since then, I've started to see the Spiders on other cars, too, but they are not common. If I found a need to chain up regularly, I would buy them for the sheer convenience compared to regular chains. Alas, this is why I bought a SUbaru in the first place -- so I could be DONE with chains!

    Brian
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Thanks Craig. Much appreciated. I might give it a go this weekend.

    Cheers,
    Jay.
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Weird. I started my OB XT yesterday, and the seat belt chime did not stop ringing!! It would seem that somehow, the electronics were reset. I had to under go the procedure to deactivate it again. Things are back to normal now. Very strange.
  • wslkwslk Member Posts: 1
    Now that the Legacy GT is close to $30k, the Sportcross looks like an alternative to consider. Anyone driven both of these?
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    The whole Lexus IS series, including the Sportcross, is pretty outdated at this point. I would wait for a refresh before even considering that car.

    Craig
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Also AWD vs RWD. The Lexus is really small too.

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I drove the sedan and thought it compared poorly to the Outback sedan. I drove both on the same day.

    Here is my review:

    ateixeira "Town Hall Test Drive Team" Jul 8, 2004 10:35am

    Honestly the Sportcross would only fare worse because it doesn't offer much more room than the sedan, while the Subie does.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I'd recommend not getting Spider Spikes since you will most likely not have to use them if you are simply going up to the Tahoe area in the winter.

    CHP does require all vehicles to carry traction devices, but I have never seen them enforce that rule. They do check to make sure that 2WD vehicles have traction devices, however, but they will wave 4WD through checkpoints.

    Given the price of the Spider Spikes and the fact that you need to keep them on your wheels all the time, I would just go ahead and buy a set of Shur Grip low profile cables and be set.

    Ken
  • masteryodamasteryoda Member Posts: 41
    Hey everybody, I was just wondering if anybody has custom ordered a car through manufacturer. I'm somewhat interested in Legacy Wagon 2.5i, but want to have the sunroof, which is only available on the LTD, which I don't want. Is it possible to just order regular 2.5i with a sunroof?

    Thanks
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    No, it is not. You could have an aftermarket sunroof installed... Juice has had good luck with those.

    ~c
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I ordered a Forester XT MT and had a moonroof installed aftermarket. The Forester only gets a moonroof in the Premium package (and up until the '05 models was only available with the AT here in the States).

    Mine is an ASC moonroof, I'd recommed it for sure!

    -Brian
  • khallockkhallock Member Posts: 63
    Has anyone had snowtires put on yet? I got a set of Cooper Weathermasters online for my LL Bean. I just need to bring the car in to have them put on. I thought I read something on here about switching tires & the tire pressure system? Is bringing the car to a regular garage to have the tires changed going to be a problem? Will it affect the pressure monitoring system?
  • hilberthilbert Member Posts: 103
    How many of you guys out on snow tires here. I thought Subaru's with original tires were good for winter driving. I know AWD does nothing to help the car stop and helps only in acceleration and perhaps turning. But I had heard that with Subaru's you did not need snow tires. Do you people recommend it?
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    I put a set of Firestone Winterforce on the 03 OBW and the 04 Forester XT. Cheap snow tires but work very well. Some people have been very happy with the OEM tires - Potenza's on the OBW and Yoko Geolander's on the XT. I wasn't. The only complaint I have with them is that they're a little noisier than the GEO's.

    We live north of Boston and I had plenty of driving time with the tires's last winter, about 5k miles on the Forester, 2.5k miles on the OBW.

    Larry
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    Depending on where you live, you will probably never get stuck with a Subaru, even though the OEM tires suck.

    But if safety is important to you, and the roads occasionally ice up where you live, then I recommend the best winter tires you can afford. 99.9% of the time you won't really need them. But that one time when you get caught by a suprise blizzard or freezing rain, and cars with A/S tires start spinning out of control all around you, those winter tires might just save your life.

    Sometimes just 10% more traction is all it takes to make a world of difference.

    Sly
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    The RE-92s are aweful tires in the rain- I can't imagine they do well in the snow, but maybe they do. Didn't really get a chance to try before I replaced them. But I had snow tires when I lived back in Boston and they were great in the snow and driveable when there wasn't any (kinda noisy though).

    I agree with sly, if you live in a heavy snow area then good snow tires can make you feel much less nervous, and in a Subie you'll never get stuck (if you don't do something stupid!).

    If you live in an area that doesn't see much snow, any decent M & S rated tire (even the RE-92s) should do just fine.

    tom
  • hilberthilbert Member Posts: 103
    Thanks everybody. I live where it snows a lot...in Rochester, NY. In fact, this is one of the big reasons I bought a Subaru because I had heard they are great in snow. The OBXT has Bridgestone Ponteza (I do not remember the model number). I guess I need to think about this seriously.

    Thanks for your input.
  • snowbeltersnowbelter Member Posts: 288
    Sly's comments are on the money. We live 100 miles east of you where there is even more snow. The Bridgestone's on my 02 VDC were fine the first two winters, but last winter with only 26,000 miles on them and lots of tread left, they failed to grip and were dangerous. I replaced them with Nokian WRs for all year use. They were great last winter. My wife has an 04 VDC and is sticking with the Bridgestone's. If you live out in the country with twisty roads, dedicated snows might be the way to go.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    with full tread depth and unaged rubber, RE-92s do OK in the snow... same as just about any all-season. AWD will help you start, amazingly so, but it won't help you turn or stop.

    nothing short of a true winter tire will help on ice.

    I've had Dunlop WinterSport M3s mounted for about 2 weeks now. No news on snow or ice yet, which I can't say I'm sad about, but the noise is fairly low and the dry road grip & handling is very good. Even still I wouldn't drive this H-rated performance winter tire year round.

    ~Colin
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    For Rochester NY, definitely consider winter tires! You're definitely in the right area for them.

    For me, living in coastal VA where it rarely snows and taking ski trips into the mountains every couple weeks where I encounter a lot of snow, all season tires are perfect.

    BTW, as Colin said, RE-92 are decent in the snow when new, but not very good once they wear down a bit. Then again, the RE-92A on the 05 models are entirely different tires than previous versions of the RE-92, so hard to say (and the RE-92A on Legacys and Outbacks are even different). Hard to say how these new tires will do.

    Craig
  • tickmantickman Member Posts: 16
    My hitch arrived yesterday, and I installed it last evening. About a two hour job. The instructions say to remove the two heat shields under the mufflers, but it looks like that is not needed.

    The reason I went with the Subaru hitch was the wiring harness. Not sure if aftermarket wiring would plug directly into the connector hidden behind the cubby on the left rear. I'd hate to fry something in the car if there was a short in the trailer or the aftermarket converter.

    My only gripe is that the drawbar is just a bit small for the receiver, and you hear some clunking as the trailer bounces around. I may try an aftermarket drawbar and see if it fits any tighter.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Cool! Where did you get the hitch from, and how much did it cost? Got any pictures? I have not seen one on an 05 yet.

    thanks,
    Craig
  • tickmantickman Member Posts: 16
    AutoWebAccessories.com. $245. Great service! I left them a technical question, and they replied within 2 hours. Placed the order last Friday, and it shipped the same day. Arrived in Kansas City on Tuesday (from New York). Can't complain about that!

    The receiver is set back from the rear bumper far enough that it is very hard to see. The supports are tucked up behind the bumper, so the only thing visible is the receiver and safety chain hookup.
  • hilberthilbert Member Posts: 103
    Thanks again everybody. It seems that at least this year I can go without the snow tires. They have just 150 miles as of now. It seems next year I will have to buy them.
  • poissonpoisson Member Posts: 49
    I have found the new RE-92A's to be quite good in the rain. I think that people are assuming they won't be based on the bad performance of the RE-92's - unfortunate that Bridgestone chose the same nomenclature. As for snow, I thought about getting snow tires but I figured I would try these out first.
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    Great, I have a set of 4 brand new RE-92A to sell you really cheap.

    BTW, those tires are not even good in the dry, let alone wet or snow...

    Sly
  • cdnp5cdnp5 Member Posts: 163
    I don't understand why you wouldn't want to put winter tires on your car. I don't own a Subie but have driven my friends in the winter (w/winter tires) and it was amazing. Its more than just just starting from a start, its stopping and turning that also matters.
    I remember pulling away from a stop light beside a BMW X5 without winter tires and he was all over the road, sliding around. I know the X5 is not a Subie but I don't think its that bad of a vehicle. I'm sure once you change to winters tires you will never go back, well until summer at least. Remember, winter tires are not just about snow only, they help with the cold.
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    ... in my opinion. Always have had a 2nd set of wheels with snows mounted, and always will. Like Sly said, the extra piece of mind for that one unlikely occurance where an all-season might not do the trick, is definitely worth the cost. Also, the traction is greatly improved in snow and on ice for every day driving. Michelin Artic Alpins will be my OB within the next week or so.
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Craig, I had a Hidden Hitch after-market installed on my OB XT a couple of weeks ago. Approx US$240 including professional install, wiring, drawbar, taxes in, no ball (had one from before...add $8). Tubular frame, and barely noticeable. I'll take some pics and post.

    Tickman, in my experience, drawbars never fit that snuggly. Mine is a bit loose too. It allows space incase dirt and possibly rust accumulate on the drawbar and in the receiver. You don't want to put it in one day, having to use a hammer to pull it out. That said, if you try a different drawbar and it fits more snug, do let us know.

    Cheers,
    Jay
  • michael2michael2 Member Posts: 31
    purchased a set of 4 rubber channeled mats, from www.subarupartsforyou.com, in black for $39.Just got them , they're custom ftted to thlegacy with a cutout for the trunk and fuel door release, subaru name and even a hole for the floor mat retainer.

    by the way my dealer replaced the coat hanger plastic hook that was loose with another that is a plastic stub, much like the one I had in my 2000GT.Next purchase will be a st of pirelli pzero-nero or contiextremes. my back end slipped a little on wet pavement yesterday, hate the re92a's, they're pricey and not very good in my opinion.
  • poissonpoisson Member Posts: 49
    Gee thanks for the advice. BTW - The RE-92A's are leaps and bounds better than the set of Eagle RSA's I had my old SAAB 900 (granted the XT is that much better than the 900 as well).

    They may not be the best tires out there but when I am able to drive down the interstate in the rain and never once feel the tires lose grip, then I don't see a reason to change them in the near future.

    As for snows, I just put a set of Arctic Alpins on my wife's minivan. Depending on how the XT does in the snow with the 92As, I may follow suit.
  • jmtreetopjmtreetop Member Posts: 130
    I have not had any problems with the 92A's. I took my OBXT into the mountains a few weeks ago on some trails that were snow packed and I was impressed at the lack of wheel spin. I even stopped on some steep hills and tried to accelerate to test the grip and it made it up the snowy hill just fine. As for rain, I had an emergency stop situation and I thought that it stopped quickly and seemed sure-footed. I think I'm going to give it a little more drive time before I think about switching for the winter. If you are sliding that much on dry/wet/snowy roads then maybe you need to let up off the turbo - jk!
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