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Sulfur Smell from Toyota 4Runner

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  • tacovivatacoviva Member Posts: 116
    gator, ditch the toyota. I did and feel much better. I know how you feel, go back and read my post.

    shifty, I think it's the O2 level and fuel. Remember, sulfur isn't the issue. Toyota has a design flaw here.

    aflster, good question.

    Zues, where are you?

    No smell in the Honda.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    alfster---just about 10,000 miles on the odometer, and I drove it about 300 miles.

    Only defect I noted was a bad electric window channel that was binding.
  • user777user777 Member Posts: 3,341
    an outsider looking in, what's the justification to doubt the reports by these posters?

    like the TSB bulletins on the board of the dealership. i don't doubt them either - but presumably the other vehicles from other manufacturers don't have an issue with the windows rolled up.

    i posed the question before: is it possible these cars are either running rich, have a defective cat convertor, or there's a genuine issue with venting and a vacuum pulling gasses into the cabin??? how about a poor connection in the piping somewhere between the engine exhaust manifold back to the cat, and onto the muffler???

    rcgator - i'm no car mech, but i imagine a shop that does mufflers could provide a small length of pipe for the purpose of a test. i imagine you'd look for something of slightly larger diameter than your exhaust pipe and maybe 8-12in long.

    then i'd stand it up on end, and use a hack saw, and cut down the middle of the tube (blade across the diameter) about 2-3in so you have something to crimp with a clamp when attaching it to your exhaust pipe.

    then i'd use an exhaust muffler "C"-clamp, and i'd carefully attach the temp piece of pipe over the existing exhaust pipe with the clamp, with just enough gripping / crimping to keep the temp piece in place without damaging the exhaust pipe.

    another thing i'd try is locating the drain for the sunroof that's been discussed, and also the cabin vent to determine the proximity to the muffler exit. i'd try one or both experiments to either (a) block airflow back up the cabin vent, or back up the drain for the sunroof or (b) a perfume or cologne or essential oil swabbed in the unblocked vent or drain to see if that scent made its way back into the cabin while driving.
  • watson12watson12 Member Posts: 3
    I live in the Milwaukee area - not sure if we have the reformulated stuff or not...the map I've seen is not clear outside of the Chicago area. I'll probably fill up at the end of the week - will post once I have additional info. From the posts I seen on this board, fuel octane/type doesn't seem to have much impact on the smell factor.
    Build date - 6/03
  • zueslewiszueslewis Member Posts: 2,353
    "Zues, where are you?"

    I'm in front of my computer.

    Originally from Texas, moved to PA three years ago - I live and work (from home) in Lansdale, 25 miles NW of Philly.
  • alfster1alfster1 Member Posts: 273
    Hmm, I wonder if with higher mileage there is a lessening of the Sulfur smell. After some "ponderous pontificating," I hope Toyota will look into whether the catalytic converter can be a cause of the problem.

    Tacoviva, I love my problem free 4runner. I like Honda's as well. Unfortunately, I don't think that an accord will be good offroad or pull my boat. HeHe. Congrats on the Accord. It's a million mile car.
  • coranchercorancher Member Posts: 232
    rcgator, I'm happy to hear you're willing to look into this. user777 has offered some specific suggestions, but I think there are easier ways to experiment with a temporary fix. I'll offer a couple here.

    By the way, I hope you (and others) are not under the impression that I doubt the existence of this problem or think it's no big deal. I've experienced the smell on the outside of my vehicle and others a couple of times and if you've got it bad, it's really an ugly smell. One can argue about whether you should have to tolerate it outside of the vehicle and whether it's a health hazard inside the vehicle, but getting any significant amount of that inside the vehicle on a regular basis is just unacceptable.

    You've got a Sequoia, but I'm assuming for now that the situation is pretty much the same as the 4Runner. Perhaps the simplest thing to do is to go to an auto parts store or two and ask them about a short tailpipe extension of 6-8" or so. The tailpipe on the 4Runner is a little under 2-5/8" in outside diameter, or about 65mm. The folks in the parts store should be able to sell you a tailpipe extension, straight or angled, that will fit this and clamp on with a set-screw. Many of these folks will be happy to accompany you outside the store with a ruler or calipers to measure your tailpipe.

    You can try this and see if your problem improves sufficiently. If so, you can keep this solution or just go to a muffler shop and tell them you want them to weld on something similar. I assume they'd cut several inches off the existing tip and weld on a short extension that goes (preferably) farther back and to the side, getting the exhaust out of the stagnant/negative pressure area at the rear of the vehicle.

    Instead of a commercial tailpipe extender, you could go to your local home center and tell them you want a short length of plastic tubing that will fit over the existing tailpipe. I think the exhaust is not too hot by the time it gets to the end of the tailpipe, so you could use CPVC or even PVC or electrical conduit (whatever is cheapest). You just need 8-10" of the stuff, and it needs to have an inside diameter of 2-5/8 or bigger. Many places will cut a length for you, for little or no charge, though you might have to buy a whole 10' length. If you want to try diverting the exhaust to the side, also buy a matching 45 deg. elbow and some pipe cement. Maybe a dollar for the elbow and several dollars for the cement.

    For a temporary/trial solution, just wrap some tape (I'd try the blue masking tape or black electrical tape) around the outside of the existing tailpipe, to make it big enough so that the extension fits over it snugly. You might try adding or subtracting 1-2 wraps at a time until you get something that's not too loose. Then fit the extension on and use more tape on the outside to fix it in place. See what happens, and if you like it you can get a muffler shop to make something permanent. It'll be a small job for them, and not very expensive.

    My previous posts in this thread have discussed the location of the cabin air exits and sunroof drains (and how to find them), so I won't repeat them here. Whether it's from one or the other, I think this is probably how the smell is getting inside the vehicle, and diverting the exhaust farther away from these locations, especially to the fast-flowing air on the side of the vehicle, should be a real help. Also, using the fresh instead of recirculate air position and keeping the blower going a little, should help.

    user777 brings up a good point about these vehicles maybe running too rich too much of the time. They are supposed to run rich under heavy throttle (and that's the only time most of us get the smell at all) and perhaps something is wrong with one or more of the oxygen sensors or the engine computer. That would explain the generation of the smell, and the badly-placed exhaust outlet would explain how it gets inside the cabin. So far, though, nobody has reported their smelly vehicle failing an emissions check or activating the "check engine" light.
  • renshorensho Member Posts: 42
    If you go to your larger autoparts store, you'll see these chrome tips in different lengths and diameters. They usually have a set screw that you tighten against the end of the existing muffle tip itself. Very easy, no tape, welding, clamps etc. And they are around $10. Some people might just want to keep them since they dress things up a little bit.
    You'll need to decide if you just want to extend the tip 6-12" or divert to the side via an angled tip.
  • vman05vman05 Member Posts: 7
    Just wondering why you didn’t hear much about sulfur smell problems until this new version of the 4Runner? If it’s the gas that is the problem like Toyota claims, why aren’t 2001 and 2002’s having the same problem?

    Since the same gas goes in both vehicles I think it must be a design flaw if only the 03’s are causing a problem.
  • user777user777 Member Posts: 3,341
    FWIW: some suggestions to go and buy a pre-fab extension at an auto supply store...but the ones with set screws, while easy to install and decorative, might actually create turbulent flow at the exit of the exhaust / interface to the extension...specially if the match of pipe diameters is very far off. i guess if you go this route, make sure you're not far off in diameter.

    an experiment is an experiment...the point is to do it. functionally, both SHOULD work, but like I said, if the pipe diameters are mismatched...in my mind, there's still a possibility the fumes might not exit the pipe as intended.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I was looking at the tailpipe on the rental 4 runner I was driving, but I can't say it looks any less well-positioned than any other car. It sticks out a bit.
  • coranchercorancher Member Posts: 232
    Mr_Shiftright, it does stick out a little but personally I suspect that the main issue with the tailpipe position is its proximity to the cabin air exit and/or sunroof drains (see my previous posts and experiment) and the likely stagnant or low-pressure air in that location. The exit is high off the ground and close to the bottom of the body (perhaps for off-road departure angle reasons) and does not stick out to the side at all.

    This may be just an unfortunate combination of factors, which conspire to bring the smell in. Hopefully if we change even one, the situation will improve significantly.
  • rcgatorrcgator Member Posts: 22
    For your very helpful suggestions regarding the tailpipe extension. I will definitely give this a try and let you all know how it goes.

    On another note, I was at Toyota again yesterday. They checked the car again, drove it for five miles and did not get the odor (or so they claim), and then suggested that my car has a distinct odor in it caused by dirty diapers (I have an infant seat in there, but no dirty diapers were there at the time and the car does NOT smell of dirty diapers!!). They still claim that they have never heard anyone complain of this before, but they did give me some numbers of people to get in touch with. The regional technical advisor said one of the engineers will be in Miami next week and that he will get in touch with me so he can drive around in it and see if he can figure out what the problem is.

    Lastly, I spoke to Mr. Rich at the EPA who says the problem is caused by a buildup of hydrogen suflide in the catalytic converter that is released under certain conditions. He will send me a copy of their form letter regarding this issue, so I will at least have that backing me up when I meet up with the Toyota rep. He also said that they have had numerous meetings with Toyota, and that they sent several engineers from Japan who are trying to come up with a fix. He says not to worry too much about the health threat because sulfur dioxide is easily detectable at very low levels at which toxicity is not yet a problem. Of course, long-term exposure at these levels could still be problematic.

    Anyway, sorry to ramble so, but I thought I'd let you all know where we are in the whole mess.

    Thanks again for all the help!
  • lpm141lpm141 Member Posts: 14
    Rcgator, Mr. Rich's comment is real comforting "Of course, long-term exposure at these levels could still be problematic." So I guess the first year I own my 4runner I will be ok but on the 2 and on years of exposure I better be concerned. :( I did my research before I bought my 03/V8 4ruuner Limited and decide I would take the chance. But now I am like a lot of other folks mad that I spent 36K for a vehicle that has I would state a major issue. My experience had beenn intermintet times of heavy sulfur smell. Sometimes it is so bad that I can actually taste it. I never experience the smell with heavy acceleration or with the rear window down which sounds like a lot of the other users experience. I thought it was in the mornings for me. Right when I first started the runner and a couple miles of driving. But it really is inconsistent. What I love the most from reading a lot of posts is how the dealer takes a 5 mile test drive and states "I don't smell anything" it is to interment to detect that way. Bottom line does Toyota not trust what their customer are saying to them. I mean how many other Toyota owners have complained nation wide. Maybe the service manger needs to check his e-mail's from corp. or other dealers. My parents own a Lexus and I have been with them at the service department and they treat them like gold. My dad asked me if Toyota treats their customers the same and I laughed. For an example my Dad told the service manager that his tires he felt were not very good they replaced all 4 and the spare with new ones. The old tires had 30K already on them! The other issue is you can not rent a 4runner for a couple days and expect to experience the sulfur smell. I owned mine for months before I got hit on regular basis. Bottom line is it is not right and very unacceptable by Toyota and they should be ashamed of themselves for not owning up to the problem.
  • reddfishreddfish Member Posts: 54
    I have not been 4 runner owner since I won my Lemon case against Toyota several months ago on this sulfur smell issue. My case was in Ft. Lauderdale. If you want the case number, e-mail me at Tarpony@aol.com.
  • lukeglukeg Member Posts: 32
    I see that everyone is complaining about the smell with 2003 model. Does anyone owns or heard about 2004 having the problem?
  • alan88alan88 Member Posts: 7
    I test-drove both V6 and V8 04 model, no smell at all. And none of the 04 owners I know of complained about it. I kind of believe that Toyota has secretly fixed this problem on 04 model, maybe even those late 03 models. If you go to Corolla forum, the same is happening there. For all the potential 4Runner buyers, I don't think sulfur smell is the problem anymore, Toyota's attitude toward their own mistakes is the real problem now. Think about it, what if something else goes wrong on 04 model and Toyota takes the same approach and attitude? I've owned nothing but Toyota in my life, and am ready to buy a new 4Runner. If Toyota stand up to their reputation and correct this problem, they'll not only win my business but also my respect again. However with this happening, I think I'll just take my time and look for better choices. Can’t take the chance to risk my family on it.
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Member Posts: 189
    I have an '03, build date 2/03, with the V8. While I have encountered the sulphur smell on occasion, after flooring the vehicle with the back window open, I have NOT noticed any obnoxious smell in over 8000 miles. Take the sulphur warning that people have stated as unusual, isolated and determined by the grade and brand of gasoline used. Toyota recommends 91 octane for the V8, everybody keeps claiming how proud they are to run 87 and 89 octane, coincidentaly, these same people are probably complaining about the sulphur smell. Don't not buy the 4Runner because you are afraid of the sulphur smell, you would be doing yourself an injustice for not purchasing the best SUV on the market.
  • lukeglukeg Member Posts: 32
    sacstate1 you have mentioned that Toyota recommends 91 octane for the v8. I thought that you need 91+ octane for the v6 only. I cannot find in manual anything about this requirement for the v8. Can you tell me where you found this. Thanks.
  • lukeglukeg Member Posts: 32
    Thank Highlander7. Looks like that changed for 2004. I haven't seen that on 2003. Also there are no comaplains from 2004 owners about sulffur smell. Maybe Toyota made some changes... ooops, I think that the secret is out... ;)
  • dodgeguy1dodgeguy1 Member Posts: 8
    We had a terrible and consistent sulphur smell coming from our Mazda 6s. It did not matter what type of gas we used, it simply would not go away. I was given a copy of the TSB blaming "bad gas" but refused to accept that as a valid explanation. I contacted MazdaUSA and requested either a fix or a buyback. Behold, Mazda, to their credit, agreed to replace the catalytic converters with new ones that are supposed to have a different chemical formulation to deal with the sulphur smell. Mazda airfreighted the converters to my dealer. Not only were the converters replaced, but also the exhaust manifolds and the O2 sensors. We have now driven the car for three weeks since the repairs and so far it seems to have done the trick. So, at least one company (Mazda) has recognized that at least in some instances, the problem is a lot more than "bad gas." Toyota should do the same.
  • vaughn4vaughn4 Member Posts: 106
    Just goes to show what decent car companies are willing to do to satisfy their customers. I had the same experience with Honda back in 1992. They actually sent out a Honda district representative together with a company engineer to look at and fix the problem I was experiencing with my vehicle (it wasn't sulfur related). They kept the car for three days to make sure it was fixed right. I currently own an 03 Acura and the service and attention I get to any problem is phenomenal!!! Take for example the transmission problems on some of the 2001 - 2002 Honda cars - Honda has extended the warranty to 7 years/100k miles on the affected vehicles. Why doesn't Toyota do the same? Toyota could care less about customer satisfaction! They probably have already fixed the problem on the 04 Runner and those with the problem in their 03 Runner will just have to deal with sulfur smell. Very discouraging indeed!!!
  • swschradswschrad Member Posts: 2,171
    somebody with access to the parts numbers might check to see if they are using the same cat, for instance...
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Member Posts: 189
    Same thing with the grey cladding! Even though I like the cladding, I was pissed that Toyota made a major mid-model year change to their just introduced new vehicle. Now I have a vehicle that is obsolete and it is only six months old.
  • swschradswschrad Member Posts: 2,171
    not for nothing does 15 to 20 of a car's value fall off as soon as you drive it off the lot. it ain't new any more. we all know that they aren't going to make them after some date in ( april, june, july, depends on when released ) because they have something new coming out.

    consumer goods are obsolete as soon as you buy 'em. that's the nature of the market.

    grin and bear it, just because it has wear and Blastfire will have a new model on display next week so yours is "behind" doesn't mean its a junkpile. polish it and drive.
  • lukeglukeg Member Posts: 32
    It is official. My 2004 v8 4Runner has the lovely smell of rotten eggs. Looks like that Toyota didn't fixed the problem on the 2004.
  • mylasttoyotamylasttoyota Member Posts: 10
    I first bought the car the dealer told me the smell was from the additive put in the gas tank during shipment.

    After 6,000 miles the smell was worse, the dealer wouldn’t even look at it. Told me to change the type of gas. I did this for 6,000 miles more. No gas was better than the other. Now the interior has a permanent smell.

    In addition, the dealer told me it was normal to smell your exhaust at highway speeds, as the vehicle is not airtight.

    At 13,000 miles they finally agreed to make an appointment to look at it. They found a loose bolt on some exhaust piece. Then told me the smell of sulfur in the seats and carpet was my problem. Believe it or not this did not fix the problem.

    I ran an add in the local paper,” 2003 4-runner, V6, sunroof, power everything, paid 33,000...Must sell cheap due to miserable exhaust smell in the car which Toyota says is normal.” Guess what ....not a single call.

    For all of you people that claim its an octane issue, the 2003 v6 4-Runner manual say 87 Octane, I would not have bought a car that gets a poor 16-18 MPG that only uses 91 octane or higher.

    I am about to start the lemon process on the “finest SUV on the market”

    Oh, what a feeling.
  • asif1asif1 Member Posts: 49
    Before buying my 2004 4 runner SR5, 3rd row seat, i thought this sulfur smell problem is just being exagerated by some people. even after running 500 miles i did'nt notice any smell. after 500 miles i started smelling pungent smell outside when the car was start idle and i was loading some thing from back. i thought it is just a one time thing but since then i have noticed this smell very strongly even right after it is stopped. The smell was really noticeable to all 5 passengers when they were comming out. so far i have not noticed it inside but i am worried as i dont want sulfur smell in my carpet and in interior. toyota claim it to be LEV and it sounds strange that so many ppl r having this sulfur smell. except this sulfur smell every thing else about this vehicle is gr8.
    keep it posted if some one finds any solution through toyota.
    asif
  • highlander7highlander7 Member Posts: 177
    I have driven a 2003 with 5200 miles and 2 new 2004's, all with V8's.

    I took the 2003 dealer demo out for an hour trying different senaros. All windows down, all windows up, fast starts, slow driving, and faster - 75 mph on the freeway. Would occasionally stop, walk around the truck and never noticed the sulfer smell.

    I did not drive the 2004's as hard, they had around 10 miles on them. I did notice the smell of the stuff burning off the engine, maybe it masked the sulfer smell?

    I realize that this is not enough testing to confirm anything so I have started taking a survey of 4Runner (03 & 04) owners to inquire about the sulfer smell. To date I have asked 3 people about this concern, they each had no idea of a problem and never noticed an odor. All used regular 87 octane and all were 2003's. One was a V8, did not ask the others about engine size but will include that as I continue this survey.

    Maybe this is a regional issue? I live in South Jersey, maybe the re formulated gas makes a difference. My 02 Runner has 36500 miles and never, that I have noticed, had a sulfer odor.

    I am concerned after reading post #330. Some folks have responded to this topic and never have this problem. I will be purchasing a 04 Limited whenever the dealer locates one.

    Does Lexus have a sulfer odor with the GX470? Are people complaining about the Sequoia or Land Cruiser with the 4.7 V8? Why the 4Runner and not other vehicles with the same engine?

    If the vehicle I am purchasing has this odor when I test drive, I will keep my 2002 until this issue is resolved. If I do not detect an odor, maybe I will luck out and get one that does not have this problem.
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Member Posts: 189
    I don't have a smell problem. Yes, it seems Runner, Sequoia, LC and Tundra owners are having sporadic issues with a smell. But, then so is Honda and its new Accord.
  • coranchercorancher Member Posts: 232
    Hey mylasttoyota, this problem has obviously been a big one for you for some time, so I'm assuming you've read all or most of the 330 messages that preceded yours in this thread. I'd like to ask if you've tried any of the experiments and/or solutions offered.

    It's been frustrating to me that apparently so far nobody with the problem has seen fit to experiment with fixes themselves. The folks on this board want to help, but so far there's been no chance to do so in this way.
  • nu4runnernu4runner Member Posts: 6
    Hello, I just bought a 2004 4Runner (SR5 V6 4x4). I live in the Bay Area and am still breaking in my runner (I only have 500 miles so far). I was going to wait for more miles before posting but I see that someone has noticed the Sulfur Smell on their '04. So far, I think I've only noticed it once- going up a very steep hill with heavy acceleration. It only lasted a second and was pretty strong, but was gone quickly when I rolled the window down. Not sure if this is 'the' smell or something else burning off (wishful thinking maybe). Since then I've gone up some other pretty steep grades and haven't encountered any smell. I'd like to get more miles to see if there really is still a problem.

    The sulfur smell was THE major reason why I waited for an '04, and I almost didn't buy one because of it. I am keeping track of all my driving and will keep posting as my 4runner gets more miles. If anyone has any sort of testing requests please let me know as I'd like to help anyone thinking about getting one of these. So far I am really happy with it (although there is one annoying rattle coming from the Glove box area- I'm taking this in to get it looked at soon).
  • micksdad1micksdad1 Member Posts: 32
    I have to agree with corancher here. I too am looking to get a 2004 4runner in the spring. While I know that purchasing a dual borla exhaust system is not exactly a drop in the bucket, this would seem to solve the sulfur problem. If not, how about at least trying a tailpipe extension which would be more inexpensive? Right now I am leaning toward getting a 2004 and having the exhaust system installed. There seems to be a consensus that those with it don't have the sulfur problem. I'd like to know if anyone has actually implemented either possible solution.
  • highlander7highlander7 Member Posts: 177
    TRD does not have an exhaust system offered for the 03/04 Runners. Probably why Borla is being considered to eliminate sulfur odors.

    http://www.trdusa.com/

    I read somewhere that Borla makes the exhaust system for TRD (pre 2003). If so, it may eventually be a TRD option for the newest generation. Advantage is if Toyota installs a TRD accessory at the time of purchase, you will have the full warranty applied to that accessory 3 yr / 36000 mile or be covered by the length of the extended warranty if you decide to purchase it.

    Boral does offer a system for the 2003. Does not list 2004 but probably is the same.
    http://borla.com/

    If this increases HP and Torque 7 - 10%, this is not a bad option to consider.
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Member Posts: 189
    I have it and it is definately a fantastic option! Vrooom!
  • martin45martin45 Member Posts: 51
    How is everyone’s smelly piece of trash doing these days? I haven’t visited this forum for sometime, but I clearly see that the sulfur smell that I spoke of the beginning of 2003 has become a major topic. For those of you who so adamantly said that the smell was limited to a few 2003 4Runner vehicles, you were obviously wrong.

    The vehicle is a piece of crap. Toyota will not stand behind the sulfur problem. All they will do is blame the type and grade of gasoline. Anyone who purchases one of these vehicles deserves what they get.

    The only way to correct the sulfur problem is to get rid of it to some poor unsuspecting person, or a dealer. Either way you will take a big loss.

    Good Luck

    Peace
  • driftracerdriftracer Member Posts: 2,448
    "For those of you who so adamantly said that the smell was limited to a few 2003 4Runner vehicles, you were obviously wrong"

    Yep - because ALL vehicle makes and models see the same issue at times - it's not just a 4Runner issue.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    I was behind a new Honda Accord and a new Malibu a few days ago, and I could smell sulfur really strong. I couldn't tell which one (or both?) was producing the smell.
  • driftracerdriftracer Member Posts: 2,448
    office this morning, I almost hurled after being behind an '02 Inifinti Q45 - it's certainly not limited to Toyota 4Runners.
  • coranchercorancher Member Posts: 232
    martin45, welcome back. It sounds like time away has really mellowed you!

    You say "Anyone who purchases one of these vehicles deserves what they get" and I admit it is tempting to say that both you and the rest of us have gotten what we deserved.

    That would be uncharitable, though, and I wouldn't want to leave the impression that I consider Toyota blameless in these problems. While I've been very happy with my purchase and I know that lots of different vehicles have problems with sulfur smells, I think Toyots could do more to clear up the smell production and especially the phenomenon of it getting into the cabin. In the meantime, some of us are doing what we can to experiment and learn more about solutions.

    I look forward to hearing from you again when you can contribute something useful to these discussions.
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Member Posts: 189
    Might be the Accord. I almost passed out while walking through my employers parking lot and a new Accord puttered by. Yuck!

    Don't just blame the Runner. There are many vehicles that are exhibiting this new trait. As mentioned many times, my V8, build date 2/03, smells just fine and dandy, window up or down.
  • martin45martin45 Member Posts: 51
    Thanks, I am doing fine. I enjoyed the summer months, and I am now looking forward to some nice winter weather.

    I agree that Toyota should should take some responsibility about this problem. The smell entering the cabin should be taken a bit more seriously. But it is not.

    If other vehicles are experiencing the sulfur problem, I am unaware of it. That is not saying that I haven’t smelt a bad odor from other cars, just nothing like the odor from the new 4runner. Anyway, concerns should be centered on the vehicle that you own, not others. It is of no help.

    I understand the defensiveness displayed here when I post a tirade like I did earlier. People made a decision, which resulted in a considerable purchase. They want to stand by it, and that is ok.

    But the fact remains, the new 4Runner has a major problem.

    Peace
  • driftracerdriftracer Member Posts: 2,448
    was that the 4Runner certainly is not the only vehicle on the market with this issue and it's not just a Toyota issue.
  • mylasttoyotamylasttoyota Member Posts: 10
    I bought my Toyota thinking the same thing that most people think. Maybe I'll get lucky and I wont get a smelly one. I also thought it was a bunch of crap. I wasn’t lucky and it wasn’t a bunch crap. (So yes martin45, I got what I deserved)
    I live in reformulated gasoline MD so the gas should not be an issue.
    My coworker has the exact same truck, except his is a limited. We buy gas at the same store and my 4-runner stinks while his doesn’t. I even traded for a week and I didn’t even get a whiff of sulfur.
    Rather than buying a tailpipe extender to fix the problem myself, I am renting the billboard next to the dealership for $300 a month. Now I just have to figure out what I can say legally.

    How many of you people posting work for Toyota?
  • coranchercorancher Member Posts: 232
    mylasttoyota, I'd like to hear more about your decision to rent a billboard rather than experimenting with a tailpipe extender. A previous poster (tacoviva) seemed to think along similar lines, but I can't be sure unless you explain.

    As to your question about how many posters here are shills for Toyota, I don't think it's very many. At least a couple of folks have identified themselves as Toyota (typically dealer) employees, but the rest of us are just people who have bought a Toyota (or are considering doing so) and want to learn more or help solve problems. I've read 10,000+ posts on the 4Runner boards, and it sure seems unlikely to me that they are infested with stealth-Toyota employees.

    This 4Runner is my 3rd Toyota, and I have simply found that Toyota's priorities in designing and building vehicles fairly closely matches mine in choosing which one to own. My previous Toyotas have been amazingly durable and reliable, and the quality to price ratio is well ahead of anything else I've found.

    There are still problems, though, and this smell issue is one where some of us would like to get it figured out. That's why we keep posting and asking questions.
  • driftracerdriftracer Member Posts: 2,448
    unless you're a millionaire, is it worth $300 a month to "show them what for" when there's no way of recouping your money?

    It's like the guy who painted his car yellow and wrote "lemon" on it.

    He didn't get any concern from the manufacturer, the dealer wouldn't let him on the lot with it - all he ended up with was a bunch of people laughing at a poor quality yellow paint job. And he was out $500 - for what?
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Member Posts: 189
    Not I, I am just a hard working schmoe down at the salt mine. No Toyota paycheck for me.
  • sacstate1sacstate1 Member Posts: 189
    To get their attention...just strip naked, douse yourself with lighter fluid and set yourself on fire in the showroom. That will teach 'em!

    Rent a billboard??? Good GAWD! Get a life.
  • terrafirmaterrafirma Member Posts: 212
    I read about the emerging market in China. Seems imports are very popular because of all the magazines. The Chinese have been drooling over German American and Japanese brands for years. Now that they have them, they are freaking out that the cars aren't perfect.
    One guy set his Mercedes on fire because he thought it was defective. It turns out the idle was off a bit.

    I don't belittle people with the sulpher problem. It is widespread and not just Toyotas that have this issue. But don't throw the baby out witht he bath water!

    In other words, if you are considering a billboard, get a life!
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