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When I first started looking at the TL, I was only casually interested in the nav, but once I took my first test drive in a non-nav car, I knew I had to get it.
At the new price point of the non-nav TL, adding the nav in is not a huge deal either which is why I thnk you're seeing the demand for it be higher than what it was in past years. I don't think Acura anticipated the demand for it.
On last wrinkle was a suggestion by F&I about a 42-month lease. She'd get her $5000 down back with only her trade-in as a cap reduction. The monthly lease would save her another $12.50/mo.
From my perspective, the lease didn't make sense for several reasons. The money factor was equal to an interest rate of 8.4% vs. 3.9% on the loan. The residual at the lease end was $19,535 vs. the 18 remaining loan payments to own the car totaling $8,550, the monthly payment savings of $525, and the $5000 down. That still leaves nearly $5,500 difference.
The choice between leasing and buying will often come down to the numbers in the deals. Her past ownership of vehicles were 9 years ('78 280ZX), 7 years ('87 Legend L coupe), and 6-1/2 years ('97 Avalon XLS). The only car held for less time was her '95 Millenia on a three-year lease: the money factor on that was equal to 3.6% APR. That time, the buy rate involve 8.0% APR.
with the full body kit...in the Dallas area.
Nobody seems to want to deal all stating 2 month waits and because its a nav...no deals.
Both dealers who've returned my internet request both give $37076 (drive out) non negotiable.
Will trying a bigger dealer in Houston help?
Any suggestions on path to take?
Thanks.
Washington Consumer Checkbook in their 12/30 edition of "Cardeals" say Acura has a $1500 incentive to dealers on a 2003 TL. Could this be what you saw?
Peace
Location/Area: Winston Salem, NC
Dealer Name: Flow Acura
Price (before any taxes):$31,693
Options: Protection package, wood knob
Color Combo: Redondo Red/Parchment
Notes: 10 to 15 cars available with more on the way. Retail for car plus accessories $33,739
I traded a car that had a wholesale of $15,000 and will probably take the 3.9 as I can do better with the money in the market
1) Will CarFax show any tranmission work done on this car?
2) How do I find out if the car had any major repairs done or transmission replaced?
3) Can anyone tell me if 2002 models are safe to buy. I do know that there were lots of problems for 2001 models transmission. I guess same holds true for 2002 also?
4) Is the price okay? Or am I being quoted higher number, given very high mileage on the car - 36k in just 2 years..
Please help based on your experience.
There is a 2003 TL also available if you think 2002 is a risky proposition.
thanks!
I hope you're right. I got a 2003 TL-S and 12 months later I couldn't resist buying a 2004 TL. It's a completelly different car; they should've started a whole new model name for it.
"My biggest concern is transmission problems reported, even though there is 100k miles warranty on it."
Having experienced a transmission failure on my 03 TL-S, I sympathize with your concern. I can tell you that having warranty is not enough. After the first failure I found myself listening to every shift for signs of another failure. Basically, I have lost ANY joy in driving that car.
"I got an offer on 2002 TL-S with 36000 miles on it for $21000."
That's a bad price, unless this is one of those "certified" cars you are referring to. I couldn't sell my 2003 TL-S with 10,000 miles for $24,000. If the car is under warranty and your mechanic checks it out to confirm that it hadn't been in an accident, why would you want to pay the dealer extra $3,000-$5,000 for the "certified" sticker.
"1) Will CarFax show any tranmission work done on this car?"
NO. Mechanical repair work is not shown on any such reports.
"2) How do I find out if the car had any major repairs done or transmission replaced?"
You can't! The record is only kept by the dealership that performed the repair. If, by any chance, you know which dealership performed all service on this car, you may have a small chance of finding out. But there's no guarantee the previous owner didn't take the car to a different dealership for transmission repair.
"3) Can anyone tell me if 2002 models are safe to buy. I do know that there were lots of problems for 2001 models transmission. I guess same holds true for 2002 also?"
Yes, and for many 2003 models as well. Other than transmission issues, these are all highly reliable model years.
"4) Is the price okay? Or am I being quoted higher number, given very high mileage on the car - 36k in just 2 years."
As I said above, it's way too high. Have you checked E-bay Motors and other on-line auto sales sites. Edmunds also has used car listings.
thanks for your tips.
I checked the CarFax report. There is not a single bad thing there.
The Edmunds price for this car is 22000$ plus. Also, when I saw used cars listing, this was the best quote out there. Initial quote was 24k and I brought it down to 21k.
I can probably negotiate 500$ more. But, the main concern is transmission. It is a very good car and it is sad to learn that Acura faltered in such a crucial thing in a car. Tranmission is a big deal and uncertainty there is probably not worth it even with the driving and total experience of TL. In that case, I think 2004 Honda Accord might be a better choice for that amount of money. What do you think?
I am getting quotes of Invoice minus 500$ on new Honda Accords.
thanks
The breakdown was: $32,375 for the car, $45 doc fee, $2,512 Sales Tax, $253 License Fee, $5 tire fee.
Having a verbal price quote of $32,500 from another dealer providing a good benchmark for my negotiations. That was started by an internet price request.
Thanks.
Thanks.
6 MT, SSM/Ebony, Navi, HPT
$34295 + Body side molding, protection package, rear deck spoiler at cost ($700) = $35095 + fees, taxes,etc.
Dealer: Mike Harvey Acura (Burlingame)-- Doesn't have any Navi's left in stock.
Notes: Painless experience, there are about 6-7 other 6 MT SSM/Ebony or Quartz in the bay area. Just call around. 60% of the dealers won't go below MSRP, the rest will -- YMMV
thanks for you help.
Thanks for you opinion I just need to know whether i got a good deal or not.
Car and pro pack $32,000; TN state sales tax $2260.59 (7%); county tax $80.00; Local tax $96.59; Lic/title/reg $67.00; "Customer Service Fee" $197.50. Total $34,701.68 OTD. Found out you can put up to $3000 of your down-payment on your credit card. Also, this entire deal was pure, no trade-in involved. Gary Force Acura in Nashville is the only dealer within about 150 miles. They were very nice, and had much less paperwork than when I bought my '02 Odyssey.
Again, thanks to all on this site.
MRTECH --- where did you get your deal in Nor Cal?
please e-mail ucinugget32@yahoo.com is they have a dealer name for me. Thanks
I received the first 6-speed at my dealership and paid sticker for the privilege. And, no regrets!
Paid $31,400 incl. destination ($1,800 below MSRP) in cash. No add-ons / no trade-in. Only additional fees were doc fee / license fee / sales tax.
To negotiate, I started with a carsdirect.com specialist and was quoted $31,600 in SoCal. Called the internet manager for each dealer in the Bay Area / SF and said I was ready to buy immediately if they beat the price.
My highest recommendation goes to Appletree Acura in Fletcher, NC (South of Asheville, NC). A very professional sales representative and manager work there.
Also, I also highly recommend Flow Acura in Winston-Salem, NC. Another very professional sales represnetative and manager work there.
Either dealer will find the car to meet your needs at a competitive price.
All of the dealers that I contacted in 4 states were professional and helpful. The above two dealers are outstanding in their explanations and patience.
Unfortunately, you'll have to pay for the info but may be well worth it.
The best price I've gotten is $35,694 as the sell price before TTL for a...
'04 TL Auto/Navigation with the full body kit.
Should I go for it, or can I do better?
Thanks for your help.
'04 TL Anthracite/Ebony/Auto/Nav - $35,195
front/rear/body/decklid spoilers - $1499 install.
Dealer is offering $1000 off, so total is $35,694
Added to this will be 6.25% Tax and $300 misc fee. So drive out total is $38,290
I am in Texas.
Thanks.