Chevy Silverado - IV

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  • lkpoelkpoe Member Posts: 14
    Have you had any problems with the cover leaking in hard rain?

    - Larry
  • acastlemanacastleman Member Posts: 23
    Mike

    In post #75 you said:
    "(only paying 5.74% on my truck loan)"
    I'm in Texas. Where do I get a loan like that?

    Thanks,

    Al
  • bassamaticbassamatic Member Posts: 79
    Hunting season starts in a few days here (in the Midwest) and I'm really looking forward to it. After 25 years of Mule deer hunting in Idaho, these whitetail will be a whole new challenge!
    My new Silverado is Med. Gray with the Graphite and I have found it really easy to keep clean. And yes, the graphite is a muli-colored cloth.

    Went in to the dealer last Friday and told them that my rear driver side quarter panel window "whistled" at freeway speeds only with the air on recirculation. It must have created cabin pressure of some sort. Anyways, the Service Manager said he would replace the whole unit and didn't even take it for a test drive...said they have replaced "quite a few of them lately"! Evidently the factory has a better seal design available now? The Sales Manager even bought me a tank of gas to compensate my time for having to bring it back so soon...just purchased it there two weeks ago. I am really impressed with this dealership, and I only paid $200.00 over invoice!
    Anyone looking for a real quality Chevy Dealer in Missouri, let me know.
  • boatmanspearsboatmanspears Member Posts: 2
    I got my 99 Silverado Lt in December. The day after i got it i noticed that the paint was messed up on the left side. It looks like something is in between the clear and the paint. the dealership wanted to paint the truck, i refused because a body man told me that people would think that i wrecked the truck when i went to trade. I decided to keep the truck and not paint it since i waited 4 months on it because of the strike. anyway, i have had the truck in the shop 7 times because of seat and window rattles, and now finally becase of a lifter making noise when cranked cold. they say it is a national problem and are trying to come up with a fix. Im kinda curious as to why they would change the hp output on the 2000's unless their were serious problems. I like the new features i've heard about, doors that unlock when you stop, and the addition of a outside temp gauge. Im hoping that these problems are just because i got one of the first trucks built. My dealer worked me up a good trade on a 2000 and ordered it about 6 weeks ago. I guess i shouldn' have been so eager last year. I still have faith in chevrolet, and just hope that i don't get another lemon.


    still wearing a bow-tie
    dave
  • boatmanspearsboatmanspears Member Posts: 2
    my windows, left and right rear, both whistle above 65 mph. my service manager said that they had replaced the entire units and that it didn't help. hopefully the 2000 is improved.

    dave
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Just because they changed the HP doesnt mean the engine was bad. I am learing about HP in physics and trust me nothin is wrong just because they boosted the HP by 15. I think its jealousy dont worry they boosted the price too so that sucks.
  • nuwonuwo Member Posts: 63
    Brought my 99 in for the second time to deal with the rattle. Said they added insulation to deal with the noise. Does that mean they stuck a rag in my door?
  • rhinncrhinnc Member Posts: 66
    Does anyone know what they are putting in the transfer case on some 99's to help solve the Auto 4WD grabbing while turning? Is there a TSB? My dealer says it's normal for it to grab. Feels just like it's in 4HI.
  • jaijayjaijay Member Posts: 162
    I have had my cover on the truck for over six months and never had a problem with rain getting in. We got hit by hurricane Floyd without any water problems. The cover "lips" over the aluminum rails and snaps down. Each rail has a foam backing that sits on the truck bed. This protects the paint on the truck and helps keep the weather out. You problably could get water into the bed if it could be shot up vertically and work its way around the cover.

    As for a heavy rain, the cover has three wide aluminum cross members. These support the cover and keep it taught. Someone told me that the cover can support the weight of a person with these rails. Also the rails are adjustable so that you can have them raised higher or lower to change the look of the cover. The snaps are also changable so that you can modify how much tension is on the cover. In the summer you set them for tighter (because the cover stretches in the sun) and looser in the winter (the cover shrinks in the cold). Travelling 65mph on the highway you will see a little flutter in the cover but I think it is normal. If I go an buy something that will not fit into the bed with the cover on, the cover can be rolled up and secured at the back of the cab with velcro fastners that Extang sews on.

    I have looked at many different covers and liked this one because it did not require butchering the truck with a saw and drill. I think ExTang has another type of cover that does not have any snaps and uses some sort of seal. This one looked interesting.

    One thing to remember, nothing is secure in the bed when you use a tonneau cover. The most important thing though is to keep items out of sight. If they cannot see what they want they often leave you alone. Someone looking for something to steal will not take the time to pop the cover just for a look and find nothing.

    My truck does not have a bed liner. I have a rubber mat that sits on the bottom. My past truck, way back when was a 1984 Toyota SR5 4x4 and it had a bed liner. One day after putting a full Downey off road suspension and roll bar, I removed the bed liner only to find the bed was rusting away. It was problably attributed to the liner, the truck material and the weather. I removed the liner, fixed the rusted spots, wiped the bed floor with motor oil and inserted a rubber mat. Never had a problem after that.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    7 times in for a window is your dealer doing nothing each time...not GM's fault. My 2000 is just fine every day at 80-85 going to work.

    Prices go up every year...not just with HP increases...which also creep up year to year..

    - Tim
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I know the price goes up each yr and that sucks i was just saying about the HP increase raised the price $100 msrp a couple other options increased too. After 01-01-00 the price will again increase due to the fourth door being standard.
  • lkpoelkpoe Member Posts: 14
    Thanks, for the info. I have an old fashion snap on cover on my '88 Dakota that flips and flaps around but for sure doesn't leak. Waiting on my 2000 EX LT and want a more functional cover but still prefer it not to leak. Sounds like the Extang might be the ticket. Not sure we have a dealer close here, did u get it at a dealer?
  • lkpoelkpoe Member Posts: 14
    Thanks, for the info. I have an old fashion snap on cover on my '88 Dakota that flips and flaps around but for sure doesn't leak. Waiting on my 2000 EX LT and want a more functional cover but still prefer it not to leak. Sounds like the Extang might be the ticket. Not sure we have a dealer close here, did u get it at a dealer?
  • mtrammellmtrammell Member Posts: 125
    The 5.3L engine is rated at up to 400hp. My dealer told me they were supposed to come out with a limited edition super sport model sometime in 00 that boasted the full compliment of ponies. I would think that a p/u with that much power would be hard to keep on the road.
  • storchstorch Member Posts: 72
    GM's Concept Super Sport truck used the 6.0l engine.

    Kevin
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    the SS has 395 hp not 400
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    be nice if you could get that in a 4X4...
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    i agree id get that for sure but i wont cause its 2wd
  • z71brentz71brent Member Posts: 24
    You can do essentially the same thing. Its called whipple charger and some other minor aftermarket modifications like catback, K&N, headers, etc.

    You can probably get more than 395 hp fairly quickly. The only limitation is how much the other drivetrain parts can withstand, i.e. tranny, and diff. and how much you are willing to spend on it.

    Its not worth the money to me. Like my 1/2 ton 5.3l just fine.
  • m1685m1685 Member Posts: 71
    The 395hp would be nice in a 4x4, but they took the iron heads off of it and put aluminun ones on. It created more power, like the aluminun head 5.3l, but it takes away from the abuse it can withstand. The aluminum heads can warp if used under heavy use, like pulling in a 3/4 ton.
  • leavyleavy Member Posts: 34
    The aluminum heads on the 4.8, 5.3, and the 6.0SS (LS-1 heads) will only warp if you overheat them, just like any other aluminum head. I'm sure the Silverado has a coolant temp gauge and/or and idiot light to prevent that from happening. Also the ECM more than likely will shut down the engine before that ever happens.

    Does anyone know whether the regular cab MSRP will be effected with the new standard 4th door on the extended cab?

    Has anyone put a Whipple charger (or any other means of forced induction) on their Silverado yet?
  • rwagonerrwagoner Member Posts: 338
    Another reason to avoid Toyota. Cheap shhet metal that rusts underneath bedliners.
  • jaijayjaijay Member Posts: 162
    I bought my cover at a dealership in Portsmouth NH, about $280. They wanted to install it an that would of made the total cost more. This cover is very easy to put on.

    rwagoner
    Yes the metal and the moisture trapped in the bed liner contributed to the rust. Adding the mat worked great. I bought the truck new in 1984 and added the Downey lift and quad shock suspension. It also had truss bars for both axels. It rode like a brick. I was young, you learn. It was a nice project for at the time. The little 22R motor could not get out of its way though. I sold the truck in 1989 to some kid for $7k for a down payment on a 1989 full size GMC Jimmy. The 5.7l engine was nice. However hit the brakes hard and watch the back end pass you.
  • uspsauspsa Member Posts: 9
    Just got back from a local dealership and came 200
    dollars away from buying a Z71 Ext. cab 2000
    Silverado. This truck was beautiful, white with
    black wheel flares and graphite interior. The truck
    is loaded with a MSRP of $31874. I had a copy of a
    printout with the same MSRP and options and I knew
    what the invoice was. The dealer looked at it and
    agreed. Now here's the rub. The truck had 285 miles
    on it when I test drove it. It was a dealer trade.
    I offered 100 over invoice and mentioned that the
    truck had nearly 300 miles on it. The lowest they
    would go is $800 over invoice. This is after I
    offered $600 over invoice as my final offer. What
    do you think, was I wise to walk away from a truck
    with nearly 300 miles on it for $800 over invoice?
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    Wouldn't this void the warranty? Doesn't the 6.0L use a different tranny than the 5.3L? So I'm thinking with that much power in a 5.3L engine you'd bound to break something - unless you were able to take it easy. Lord knows I wouldn't be able to...

    Uspsa - 300 miles does not sound like alot, but it always pays to compare to another dealer in the area. Maybe $800 over is a good deal in your area...
  • scottayscottay Member Posts: 91
    I dont know the invoice numbers, but a dealer here in Socal has had the $31K Z71 ex. cab at $4000 off MSRP. So was your deal around $27k?

    -scott
  • rlangford2rlangford2 Member Posts: 17
    I've got a '99 4.8 Ext. Cab 2WD LS w/ 3.42 limited slip diff. It has 12k miles on it, and two days ago I noticed that when I turn left and go uphill (specifically when I turn into my driveway..) there is a clunking/rolling sound coming from behind me. It sounds like something that is not round is rolling around in the bed, but the bed is empty. The truck is at the dealer having the weatherstripping on the 3rd door replaced, and I had them look at this as well. Has anyone had similar problems, and if so, what did your dealer end up doing to fix it?

    Thanks,

    Ryan
  • kantonkanton Member Posts: 142
    DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE FORMULA FOR CALCULATING "ADJUSTED" AXLE RATIOS AFTER YOU PUT ON DIFFERENT SIZED TIRES? FOR EXAMPLE; I HAVE A 3.73 REAR AND RUN 265'S, I WAS THINKING ABOUT RUNNING 295'S OR 305', BIGGER TIRE MEANS LESS REVOLUTIONS; IN THEORY THE RATIO IN THE REAR WOULD BE INCREASED. DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO FIGURE THIS OUT? I RAN IN TO IT THE OTHER DAY AT ANOTHER WEB SITE, BUT I CANNOT FIND IT FOR THE LIFE OF ME.
  • jmscoloradojmscolorado Member Posts: 25
    Uspsa,

    Personally, I think $800 is WAY too high. Not because of the mileage, just because that's way too high for a new truck. I would bet that after you had agreed to that the dealer would have tacked on an advertising fee, dealer prep, and paperwork fees. You shouldn't be paying more than $200 or $300 over invoice. I actually ordered mine at invoice - the dealer was hungry. I'd wait a few days to see if the dealer calls you back with a better deal. If not, drop by again but don't go more than $300 over invoice. Also, make sure you find out up front what all the additional fees the dealer is going to add on are.
    Of course, I'm in Colorado and it might be different where you are, but there are enough trucks being delivered now that the dealers are becoming more willing to deal.

    John
  • uspsauspsa Member Posts: 9
    scottay - their best deal for this truck was 28,700, invoice is 27,900. This was from a large dealer in Houston. After making my first offer of $100 over invoice to the sales guy he was immediately replaced by the sales manager where I did the rest of the negotiation. The manager kept saying that he had to pay the sales guy $300 and he only had two other Z71's on the lot. And that he only had 5 coming in next week. Can anyone explain why this would matter.

    jmscolorado - good advice. I like the truck, however, there are about $800 worth of extras I could do without. I will wait a few days and stop by and talk with them again. If they will come down a couple hundred I would buy it.

    There is another dealership north of town who told me he would sell any of his Z71's at $100 over invoice. I'll believe it when I see it. He is Faxing me the MSRP (invoice?) printouts this afternoon for several trucks that I will compare with Edmunds and InvoiceDealer.com.
  • mtrammellmtrammell Member Posts: 125
    If you don't mind taking a drive over to Bastrop, Covert Chevy has 25 Z71s lined up along the fence line facing the hiway. Every color combo, all ext. cab half ton, LS and LT models. You can purchase one of these for $200 over invoice.
  • wilmacwilmac Member Posts: 27
  • uspsauspsa Member Posts: 9
    Just got a FAX of the MSRP and invoice cost for the options from the dealer who told me he would sell any Z71 he has at 100 over invoice. The numbers check out, however, he included $305 as an invoice cost for a dealer advertising fee. I guess they have to make their money somewhere. The truck has everything I want except the fender flares. I need to check it out.

    mtrammell - thanks for the info
  • nasvikingnasviking Member Posts: 43
    I'm working a couple dealers for a 2000 Silverado 2500. One called me and said the owner will sell me one at cost(invoice). That's great but I was always told not to pay the "advertising" charge and so far he wants that. Did you pay that charge on your "at invoice" deal. I just want to be pushy on what's fair.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    If you are negotiating from MSRP down, you don't worry about the fee. It's when you negotiate on invoice plus basis that you get stuck with it, because it's on his invoice, and he has to pay it for his share of local advertising. Be aware when you get dealer cost invoice information from Edmunds and others, the ad fee doesn't show up because it's regional. When you agree $100 over invoice, he produces his invoice which shows the ad fee added to his invoice cost. You agreed to pay him $100 over invoice, so you're stuck paying it. The surprise would be if you thought you knew the true invoice price because you got it off the web. If you don't want to hassle with itemized charges, just negotiate on the bottom line dollar amount. If you agree on dollars, the dealer can break out the amounts as he pleases, and you won't have to be concerned.
  • rwagonerrwagoner Member Posts: 338
    As I keep mentioning, price over invoice varies drastically depending on the area. In LA/Orange Counties, you're doing WELL to get $1200 over invoice. I got $800 over in Torrance CA. They no longer match that price.

    Why? There are a TOTAL of about 30 Silverados in ALL of the dealers in my area (within 45 minutes driving time). The dealers figure: why sell to you cheap? They'll get MSRP or close with someone else. Unless you're a LONGTIME customer with a dealer, you're SOL.

    So be careful when you say that "$800 is way too high." Around here, you won't even get that.

    Richard
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    I live in Houston and shopped all the major dealers. I was looking for a 4x4 X-cab Silverado LT Z-71 100% loaded. - My opinion of the top Chevy dealers in Houston:

    LandMark Chevrolet - should be called Landshark They had additional dealer markup of $2,000 on top of MSRP.

    Courtesy Chevrolet - Would not even order the truck I wanted - had one coming in but wanted close to MSRP. I bought a Tahoe from them in 12/97 and got a $4,000 discount plus $2,000 more for my trade than anyone else would give me. I told the salesman I wanted the same discount - no deal..I heard the salesmanager say if we give him the price he wants we only make $1,000 bucks- tell him to get lost.

    Charlie Thomas- Would not accept Edmunds information as fact. I knew more about the truck than salesman and manager combined. They were sure that I could not order a locking differential with the LT package, that if I wanted leather it would be a dealer installed option and would add $1,500 to the price etc. I gave them the order code of the locker and explained that leather was standard on the LT. They do have a good service department, I use them for that.

    Les Marks in Laporte (I found them by using AUTOBUYTEL over the internet, I was surprised when I got a fax from them with a no hassle price of $500 over invoice which was $28,200,I had them order it that day. When truck came in they had calculated the price wrong and GM had taken a price increase- I thought [non-permissible content removed] I am screwed. The salesman told me he could sell the truck for thousands more than the price he had quoted, but he said that is not the way they do business. He had talked to the owner and they would keep the original price. It ended up $296 under invoice. I know with holdback they still made $$ but, they knew I had waited for 8 weeks for this truck, there were no other LT 4x4's in town, I had sold my truck the week before and was without a truck. They had me by the ----'s. The fact that they kept the original price still surprises me. The salesman's name is Jerry Champaine. Laporte is only about 20 miles from downtown Houston. The short drive was worth it for me..
  • eps1eps1 Member Posts: 4
    Just got my 00 LT 4x4 last week (10/19) after ordering it on 8/20. Ordered it loaded and it came in as promised in 8 weeks. Have 500 miles on it and it is nothing but fantastic. I've got one small problem, actually a question, that the dealer hasn't been able to find out, as well as I've been too busy to get back to him.

    Anyway, I figure if anyone will know it'll be someone on this great site! I ordered the cell phone provision as unfortunately I am on the road with a phone a lot. Trouble is, I can't find where it hook-ups or wiring is. Supposedly it's suppose to facilitate hooking up the phone and microphone/speaker. No one at the dealer had even known this option existed, however, I ordered it and it came on the window sticker as being installed. Muchly appreciate anyone that can shed some light on the feature and how its should work.

    Thanks in advance!
  • odenmeyerodenmeyer Member Posts: 61
    Sat down with the dealer to order my 00' LT, 4x4, 4th door (dealer received his first 4th door allocation yesterday) and the GM ordering system wouldn't accept my order because of the 3.73 rear axle. We call GM and they stated the only way the order would be accepted was to choose the 4.10 rear axle. I commute approx. 50 miles a day and currently tow a small 19' bowrider boat in the summer. What do you think, would the 4.10 be a better way to go or should I hold out for the next allocation hoping the 3.73's are no longer constrained.

    Mark
  • chevy4mechevy4me Member Posts: 203
    Then get taller tires resulting in an effective ratio closer to 3.73
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I have the same question. I just received my truck and haven't really looked for the cell phone wiring but it certainly isn't obvious.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    You don't need the 4.10 for a small boat. But you do drive a lot every day with no load and the 3.73 is better there. I'd wait a little while. I also ran into a constraint on something and it only took 1 week for the order to be accepted. The 3.73 is common, it shouldn't take long.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    hell...ANY deal on ANY 2500 is a miracle.

    Take it now!

    - Tim
  • scottayscottay Member Posts: 91
    when they crank up production on the four doors? They wont continue to build them, will they? Only for special orders? Seems they will have very good deals on the remaining 3doors once the 4th door hits. Any thoughts?
    And another thing...what is Tundras "class" that it is best of? What exactly is it compared with?
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    Competes with Tonka!

    LOL

    - Tim
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    maybe the Dakota?? Can't believe it would compare with any of the full size by the big 3. Yeah, they finally got a V-8, but they still have a looooooooong way to go...
  • jmscoloradojmscolorado Member Posts: 25
    nasviking,

    Yes, I paid the advertising fee. I had done enough research to know to expect it. (It caught me by surprise a few years ago when I bought my wife's Camry - almost walked out on the deal.) It does show up on the dealer's invoice as a charge he must pay (regional advertising) on each vehicle, so even though "everythings negotiable", I knew that if I was bargaining from invoice (Edmunds), I would have to pay it. I also paid a small 'paperwork fee' - don't remember exactly what they called it but it was around $100. Even with both those charges, I think I got a pretty good deal. If you are forcing them to get pretty close to actual invoice, you should expect to see those charges show up. You just have to work to keep them to a minimum and to keep them from hitting you with "dealer prep", undercoating, and all the other dealer big profit items.

    ----------------------

    Up until 5 years ago I lived in Houston (Clear Lake City) and agree with z71bill's comments, especially concerning Landmark Chev. Never liked the way they tried to jerk me around.

    Bought my 91 C1500 at Charlie Thomas but had to fight them on the extended warrentee - Bought the GM Plan and they tried to give me some other plan.
    Got them to fix it when I threatened to go to Chev about it.

    John
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    Of course when you're negotiating from invoice, you can expect to see "unforseen" charges pop up, but keep dealer hold-back in mind also. I just walked out on a deal because the dealer yanked my trade-in value down when I hit him with an invoice plus $500 offer. He was also shocked when I told him I knew he was still pulling $900 on dealer hold-back. Read the Edmunds advice on dealer holdback, for Chevy it's 3%. Depending on how long that vehicle's been on his lot, he may be clearing more than the $x you agree to over the invoice price and you can tell him THAT's his advertising fee etc. The dealer I talked to was shocked when I asked him how long the truck had been on the lot. I told him that was so I could figure how much of the dealer hold-back he would clear. The information posted here is invaluable - but you have to use it to your advantage.

    Kyle
  • lkpoelkpoe Member Posts: 14
    If you listen closely at the Tundra Commercial, they are comparing with the big truck's 'base' engine, not the 5.3 or 6.0.
  • powerisfunpowerisfun Member Posts: 358
    According to Truck Trend magazine, they compared the Tundra to the 5.3L Chevy, the 5.4L Ford, and the 5.9L Dodge and it beat all of them in the quarter mile when unloaded, and lost only to the Ford when loaded with 1,000 lbs. Toyota appears to have made a good 1/2 ton truck (still too small for my taste and ugly as sin, but that's highly subjective). Only time will tell if it's reliable as a hard worker, but given Toyota's reputation, that's probably true as well. Now it's up to the big 3 to up the competition (or lose market share). That's a good thing for all of us! Our next trucks will be better because of it.
    -powerisfun
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