Importing Car into Canada from US

scrolllock

There seems to be these two guys by the Name of Robert Lamb and Clement Doyon that are trying to get the issue of admissibility resolved. I know that some people have been told that Transport Canada is working on the solution for us, but what if it doesn't pan out? What if they only resolve the problem for half of us? We will have lost any momentum that is being achieved with the following articles and TV spots..

Article in the Ottawa Citizen :

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c0fcc0c3-8964-441e-abbd-7- 31d7941a06b&k=86936

Main editorial of the Montreal Gazette last Friday...

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=f824be1b-f2f7- -4aa6-a4c2-525769ad0e41

Letters to the editor today.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/letters/story.html?id=9179a0c6-c224-4- c87-8dd3-d0986c8bd029

Mr Lamb and M. Doyon also made TV last night on RDI.
You might have a hard time finding it but here are the instructions:
http://www.radio-canada.ca/actualite/v2/telejournal_montreal/index.shtml?r=2

go to the above link.... on the right click on Novemeber 9th
click on the reportage... you have to listen for around twenty minutes before it pops up... apparently they haven't archived it separately yet.

Anyway my point is it looks like these folks are trying to get people together. If you have issues with you car right now, I suggest you forward your case to the Montreal Gazette reporter JAN RAVENSBERGEN Ravensbergen, janr@thegazette.canwest.com He is a very credible person and I am sure he will respect your confidentiality and at the same time put u in contact with these folks.

Strength in numbers... we need to ban together to have this ridiculous situation resolved.

collin999

Sorry you ended up on the "bleeding edge". You did better than I would have. Let's hope Transport Canada will do the right thing here.

Collin999

shunx

Amnesty: if your Sienna was manufactured after September 1st, 2007 then it would be inadmissible according to TC's list:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/Section5_4.htm

I'm not sure how you would check the manufacturing date though.

retiredtom

Give Mastergard a call and check with them.
They seem to be very quick with the answers.

gtxkarl1

Man now I'm worried. I just bought a Sienna and was planning on bringing it over later this month. I feel the pain you're feeling. What month was your sienna built? Mine was built in August I don't know if that makes a difference anymore, then soundlike they're really getting mean.

amnesty

It's on the admissibility list but RIV said it would be no problem because they were granting a grace period for vehicles purchased before the list changed. I purchased and took delivery of my vehicle on October 26th. There was a delay with the MSO and then the 72 hours at the U.S. border and with transport I couldn't get it across until Thursday - and the list changed Tuesday. Everyone I talked to at RIV said no problem you have a grace period. The letter states admissible on a one time amnesty. Even with the letter and the stamped form 1, I feel sick.

The argument is that before the list changed, if you followed all the directions on the RIV web site, talked to anyone at RIV, checked with TC, checked with the Canadian Tire inspectors, and even customs (I was at the border Monday the 5th and asked the agents on the commercial side) they would all have told you the vehcile was admissible. So what's a person to do when they have the opportunity to save thousands and thousands and all the people with the answers are telling you it's okay - and then it changes the next day. You're not buying toilet paper at Target, it takes time to bring a car across the border.

The other issue is with TC and their relationship with the manufacturers. TC certifies nothing themselves, they completely rely on the manufacturers to self certify all of their product.

This van is personal but I'm a used car dealer and I have imported lots of cars. Here are some of the inconsistancies I have found between what RIV wants and what the new manufacturer offers. If you RIV a 12 or 15 passenger van you must have bilingual exit signs affixed above all of the exits yet if you buy the vehicle brand new in Canada there are no signs. Many GM trucks and SUV's have daytime lights that can be turned off. When you import the same vehicle from the U.S. you have to disengage or circumvent this feature. Technically in Manitoba if you provincially safety the vehicle you have to disconnect this feature although it's almost always over looked or ignored. I think the new car makers are totally taking advantage of the new immobilizer rules and abusing their self certification ability to close the border. If you read paragraph 9 it clearly states that you can install an immobilizer that meets the intent of CMVSS114. Surely the immobilizer Toyota offers meets the intent. I understand Toyota has taken the extra step of informing TC that the vehicle cannot be retrofitted with an after market solution and that's why they're now inadmissible. I bet the U.S. and Canadian Toyota's immobilizers are the same part number. Does anyone have access to the part numbers for the U.S. and Canadian models?

retiredtom

I am having some difficulty getting my head around the MSO.
It sounds like my US friend can get the vehicle assigned on an MSO. Does he have take the MSO to DMV to Start the Title process.
He then reassigns the MSO to me.
Where does he do this, is there a form, does he have to go to DMV to reassign. Do you get a permit from DMV that allows you to drive vehicle.
When and if you get your vehicle into Canada and all inspections are completed successfully do you then have to wait till you get Title before you can register and get your plates.
I'm trying to make this as simple as possible for my friend and myself..

amnesty

If you are built in August you are fine. There will probably be a bit of hassle until they look at your door sticker. As long as the date is 08/07 in the top left corner you are fine.

Mean is not the word. Customs is another world. I think you have more rights being arrested for assaulting a police officer. My advice is tell them it's built in August and then shut up and let them do their thing. I know it's hard but more times than not if you tell them where to look they'll look somewhere else just to spite you. I don't know if it's just the crossing I go to or what but at times it's very difficult. I learned alot during the 13 hours. I saw a lot of people being put through the ringer. I spent my time helping people fill out their B3's because if you've never done it can be daunting and I know one thing, the customs guys don't help you.

amnesty

If I read this properly, TC is telling these people that are already imported and insured that they can no longer drive their cars?? So they are insured and driving one day and the next day they're told they have to export the car??

This is crazy and worse than I ever thought. If anyone out there has a deal they can cancel then I'd do it right away. At least delay payment until Tuesdays announcement which I think will be very bad. I need to puke again.

Why can't the government use common sense? Okay - I'll say it myself - STUPID QUESTION.

gtxkarl1

I know about nasty customs guys, 2 years ago I brought in a R.V and they were nasty then. That was before this big rush that's going on, I can only imagine what will be waiting for me when I cross. My problem is my mso is only coming in 30 days. I can just imagine what changes they'll make by then. I contemplating changing to a highlander built in aug instead of my sienna that was also built in aug. At least the highlander is still on the admissible list.

What is this announcement on tuesday about?

I hope you get some sleep by Monday.

What number did you call to get your recall letter?

sergelbergeron

Here's my latest message to my MP and to Mnister Cannon. Please all of us write our story. If we ask loud enough, they will listen.

To: Lauzon.G@parl.gc.ca
Cc: mintc@tc.gc.ca
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: Fw: Importing aToyota vehicle from the USA

Dear Mr. Guy Lauzon, MP Cornwall area

bonjour,
I haven't heard from you in the last few days and my problem with my Prius parked in the USA is still not resolved. You know there is a rumor that on Tuesday there will be an announcement and that it will not be favorable for any cross border car shoppers. I don't know if the rumor is true but you would know. Mr Lauzon I would ask you to consult promptly wtih Mr Connon's office to make sure that the new Government of Canada does not do the mistakes that the Liberal government has done in the past. The new regulation CMVSS 114, was approved 4 years ago by the liberal government and it is now the time for the Conservatives to fix the situation. You have fixed a few weeks ago the Federal Surplus situation by granting all Canadians a good tax break - on the income tax and on the GST. It is now the time to take the leadership in this Transport Canada file and fix this nonsense. Either by allowing all cars not meeting the CMVSS 114 to be allowed in the country and having them fixed after the fact, the same that is done with Daytime Running Lights. Please consider Canadian voters and not just the car companies. It is time for action, one that is for Canadians in line with Free Trade and not action that helps Toyota (Japan) make more money on the backs of Canadians.
Please call me to tell me what you have done on this file.
Serge Bergeron
Cornwall Ontario

c.c. Minister Cannon

whiterock2

Amnesty - good story - scary, but very useful info.

You mentioned: "All taxes easily avoided in the U.S." I'm hoping to get my brother who lives in WA to purchase a 2007 Honda CR-V for me on an MSO and transfer/sell it to me. How can I avoid the WA taxes?

shellyh

I think I might have a heart attack. I purchased a post Sept 1st manufactured 2008 Cadillac Escalade on October 25th. Like you I checked with everyone prior to purchasing to make sure it was admissible. I must have called RIV 10 times just to make sure. So I went ahead and had a US friend buy the vehicle. It cost me $62,000.00.CDN. Was just waiting for the title to come through so I could bring it home. I saw the updated list of admissibility on November 2nd. I think my heart stopped for a few seconds. I got on the phone with RIV and was basically told "too bad too sad." A few days later RIV told me that I if I had the bill of sale which showed a pre-Nov 1st purchase date, the vehicle would be admissible, no problem. I was given a reference number. I was told that they were not giving letters out even though they clearly were. I called RIV back a few times to confirm this. I recorded the conversations, each time they told me that I was in the system and it would be no problem.

Like you my vehicle is now showing as inadmissible on the list. The stress is becoming too much. Lets hope for good news on Tuesday.

amnesty

The MSO is essentially a title. Instead of a state it shows the manufacturer. The MSO for my Sienna (maybe my Sienna) just said Toyota on the top and listed the original dealer on the front. On the back, the MSO was assigned to the person who bought it from the states for me. He then sold it to me and reassigned the MSO in the appropriate place on the back. There's no extra paper work or forms and the state does not have to get involved. It's just a box on the back of the MSO that you fill out and that's it. Taxes get paid when the vehicle gets titled (registered). The easiest and safest way to do it is to have an American buy the vehicle across state line so their state has no record of the transaction at all. They can then reassign the MSO directly to you and with a bill of sale that's good enough for the border. Again the MSO or even the title is not that important. Customs barely looks at it. All they care about is if there's a lien on the U.S. side. They don't check your bill of sale and I've never even had them ask for id on the U.S. side when I get them to check the vehicle. Don't sweat the MSO, it's essentially the equivalent to the a Canadian NVIS (New Vehicle Information Slip). The MSO looks and acts just like a title and there are no issues using it here to register the vehicle. If you would like to see an MSO I can email one directly to you if you reply with your email.

amnesty

As long as you're built in August you are fine. The immobilizer law didn't come into effect until September 1st so you are safe. Read the list again, the Highlander is no answer because you need to get the immobilizer letter from Toyota and they won't provide one. They're going out of their way to abuse the system by refusing to admit that the vehicle can be retrofitted and TC is essentially complicit by taking Toyota's word. It's crazy to think that you somehow can't install an after market system, especially in a vehicle that doesn't have an immobilizer. Again, August production is 100% safe and I can't see that changing.

I got my recall from Toyota but it was very difficult. Apparently they aren't giving them on 08 models but I had a contact there and he cut me a break that he could get in trouble for. The good news is that RIV will accept a letter from a U.S. dealer as long as it's on their letter head. It would be recommended to get them to go into their system and print out the screen from their system that shows this and submit that with their letter as well. I've done this with Honda in the past with no problems.

As for Tuesday the people at RIV were hinting that it was very bad. All they would say is things are up in the air and it looks like the amnesty program will be revoked and that all models on the inadmissible list will be forced out. One girl admitted that it looks like they will force out everyone, even people who were here while the vehicles were admissible. I don't really believe it because it seems too draconian and would cause so much pain and suffering to so many ordinary tax paying Canadians. Imagine how much you would lose if you had to take the vehicle back to the states - if you even could. They're now used cars and were generally purchased at par or less than par so the regular first year instant depreciation will be compounded by the dollar. I bet the loss on the Sienna would be $8,000. I could get it back to the U.S. I think because I still have the original MSO and have not completed the importation process. I have dealer access to U.S. auctions so I would be better off than most but I have no idea how to export a car to the U.S. if it's registered here. I don't think it's easy and every day that goes by the dollar goes up and the value goes down. I can't see them putting ordinary canadians through that much pain but at this point who the hell knows. They really seem to be in bed with the auto makers.

Does anyone have the minister of transport email?

I've sent my MP an email and I suggest everyone else do the same but I'd really like to inundate the minister's office so they can see the pain they're causing.

If some one could supply a list of email addresses from Transport Canada it would be great since they really don't answer their phones.

amnesty

He can probably buy the vehicle in state, and then assign it to you without registering it and paying the tax but the safest way is to buy out of state and then reassign to you. That way the state has no record of the transaction and it removes the risk of them coming to him later to collect (although I'm told this is not a problem, these days I take nothing for granted). The Canadian equivilent is if you lived in Ontario and bought in Manitoba. You would only pay your PST when you registered the car in Ontario. So if you bought the car in Manitoba and then sold it immediately to someone without every taking it home and registering it- you avoid the tax. Now it's more difficult to do here because our titles (registrations) cannot generally be reassigned but the MSO in the states can. In fact it can be reassigned multiple times so they make it easy to do it this way. There are also states that have no tax (Oregon, Montana I think) so they should be a safe haven for new car buyers.

amnesty

Part of me died getting that letter. I've not been the same since. I have never eaten so much $#%# in my life! Between myself and my brother in law we had called RIV over 20 times and never managed to get the letter - until I finally needed it and then it came. Like you they recorded my info a few times. I swear I lost some soul getting that letter.

dreyfus1

If Transport Canada does not issue a statement on Tuesday allowing any Canadian to import cars that meet the US FMVSS 114 and European standards it will be a continuation of a travesty of justice, fairness and good government. The time has come for Mr Dion to do the honourable thing and pull the plug on these incompetent clowns who have now passed the threshold of decency into deliberate maliciousness.
My sympathy goes out to all of you caught in this Kafkaesque nightmare.

raash73

I wish you all the luck and hope you that you would be able to keep the car, I also hope that Canadian dealerships would take a big hit on thier profits, they have been goudging Canadian customers since ice age. I can't believe that this kinda unfairness is happening in a country like Canada, rules are changing overnight just to satisfy the automobile industry, one day the car is admissible and the next its not this is completly bull and unacceptable, is there anyone out there from the govt to listen to the poor Canadians who wants to save some bucks by bringing cars from US. By all means you should be allowed to keep this car. Goodluck and all the best.

francesg

Lawrence Cannon's number is 613-992-5516. His assistant for Ontario is Andrew Walasek. His number is 613-991-0700. I've called him and also my MP. Phone calls are always better than e-mails. They're not so easy to ignore.

scrolllock

send your story to the chap at the Montreal Gazette... see post # 1649

scrolllock

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/letters/story.html?id=dab7ea59-a16c-4- b0a-bf03-4d0f7b3a7d5d

This is a great letter, I hope more ordinary canadians take a stand on this issue!

sergelbergeron

I am so sad and so annoyed with this story. The way they treat people. My thoughts are with you and I would be so shaken also.... but let's not let them take our souls. We are learning what goes on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. Who actually holds the power of trade, commerce etc. They are causing major headaches but we will all succeed - I agree with scrolllock posts - and others please write to the Montreal Gazette's Jan Ravensbergen journalist. He can help. Let's fight. Let's unite but we cannot let them get to our health and our souls. All they want is our money so let's stop them.

retiredtom

Thanks for the great info.
One question:
You said-"have an American buy the vehicle across state line so their state has no record of the transaction at all."
Did you mean my fried has to out of his home state to purchase vehicle.
I would like to see an MSO but I don't see where I or you can send a private message.

jnap0527

Bodble2, I have called RIV twice and the extremely rude phone attendents both times said that "as long as the vehicle is on the admissible list, you don't require to prove it meets CMVSS114". I know that's cold comfort for such a big decision as buying a car, but that's what they told me...TWICE.

whiterock2

Amnesty, thank you for the great info - my brother lives in Vancouver, WA just across the river and state border from Portland, OR so we'll buy in Portland.

azcarsdirect

Hello,

Does anyone have the Web address for more up to date info on Selling a car into Canada? I have now sold over 20 into Canada but I'm not sure I'm doing it the right way. HELP

mottie

Can anyone help me on this one? Under the notes column for the Rav4,Highlander and Yaris,it says :admissable ONLY when equipped with manufacturers immobilizor,and a supplied letter of compliance.My problem is with the word ONLY.Does this mean section 9 "or equipped with a third party immobilizer to meet the intent" does not apply?

Sorry for the confusion

kengwei

I have no money to buy a car from the US and I hate those car companies. Can we just post our protest on the internet everywhere saying stop buying all the cars in Canada? Use our consumer power on the internet to earn our consumer rights and respects. We have to teach them a lesson.

KL

"Stop buying cars in Canada. Let car companies see what we can do"

wrajinder

Hi Mottie,

The langauge on web site is " 2008
RAV4 and Highlander models, admissible only when equipped by manufacturer's optional electronic immobilization system to comply with CMVSS 114. The importer must provide RIV with a letter from the manufacturer stating the vehicle complies with CMVSS 114.".
It clearly says a letter from manufacturer. manufacturer can be toyota or any other.

edmunds07

Let’s hope for the best but prepare to the worst.
I have October 2008 Matrix parked in my garage. The transit will expire on Nov 21.
My understanding that I have to register the car or to return the car to US before the transit will expire. I legally will not be able to drive the car after the transit expiration date.

So, the plan is – wait for as long as I can and then return the car to the dealer. I will see if I can trade car to 2008 Camry. I hope that I can get the better deal if I trader vehicle, compare to returning my car as used.

The question is: how can I get GST I paid at the border for my Matrix and how to get back the fee that was paid to RIV?

Any advice?

shellyh

Just called RIV. Told that the exception that I was given to import my 2008 Cadillac Escalade has been revoked. How can they change their minds every other day?

bav_fan07

Hi there, did you import the vehicle from Ebay? if so or if not could you let me know which dealer you used? or be so kind to recommend one? I am also looking to import a used BMW. thanks

eieio2

I am now considering registering a vehicle in my daughter's name (resident of the USA) have her insure and she will use this vehicle when she comes from the south - We will drive under her insurance ....

any ideas if this would work until this whole mess gets straightened out ... just a thought

wrajinder

HI Mottie,

I do not feel comfortable talking about all the details over here. But i know definately a bit of all this mess created by Toyota. You can send me email on wrajinder@hotmail.com. We can talk in detail If you want. The moment you solvea prolem over here. Manufacturer's picked up your solutions and put another barrier as per your discussions.

bav_fan07

What is a MSO and was this special announcement (or rumours of one) coming on Tuesday?

thanks.

lozen

I know many are sending e-mails to conservatives. Might be better to send to Liberals and NDP. Amazes me that a company contracted by Govt can carry on these tattics. I am bring a pre 09/07 Rogue in next week and still scared. Idealistically Transport Canada should allow all vehicles priot to day of announcement and set a timeline to get them in. The ugly side is they abn em all.

Good case for a lawsuit against RIV and Car manufacturers.

retiredtom

Check PAGE 2 of the list.
It states that as part of the RIV inspection the importer will be required..............or that a registered aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114has been installed.
I have verified this with RIV. The RAV4 LIMITED that I am purchasing is admissable provided you get an aftermarket immobilizer installed. I checked with CDN Customs I can bring it across. The KEY word is RIV INSPECTION. This is done at CTC.
MASTERGARD sells an Immobilizer that exceed CMVSS 114 and does not affect Warranty. Don't get a Remote start until after Installation of Immobilizer.
Call Mastergard.

lucky999

I do not want to give to many details on this board but I'm basicly Stuck between Form 1 and Form 2 process, yes the car (SUV purchased pre Nov 1st) is in my driveway. I've sent all my paperwork to the RIV.

I have the impression that I'm being stone walled.

This list is the last piece of data I need for me to undertake legal proceeding against the RIV and TC.

clintb

Here is the text of Section FIVE as of Oct 22, 2007 (for MPVs)

SECTION 5 - MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES(MPV)
NON-MOFIFIED MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLES - vehicles as delivered from the original manufacturer which includes vans,
mini-vans, sport utility vehicles, etc. but does not include pick-up trucks and trucks.
MANUFACTURER ADMISSIBLE INADMISSIBLE NOTES
Domestic and foreign
manufacturers of
multipurpose passenger
vehicles, i.e. vans,
minivans, jeeps and some
4x4 vehicles, sport
utility vehicles.
All models (except those listed
in the inadmissible column)
of multipurpose passenger
vehicles that have been certified by
the
original equipment manufacturer at
the time of the main assembly as
meeting all applicable US Federal
Motor Vehicle Safety standards
and have not undergone any
alteration other than typical repair.

melvis

Hi all

Thanks for all the info. I was set to purchase a 2008 Honda Ridgeline, contacted RIV because it was not on the admissable list. Was told that the 2008 Ridgeline was OK to bring into Canada( didn't write down the RIV agent's name). The dealer is set to sell me one, in fact was hoping for a deposit yesterday. Now that I read about RIV and Transport Canada not always being on the same page, I am hestitant to go through without any signed documentation confirming admissability( or even with). I do expect the new vehicle prices to come down in Canda, but I am set to save $12,000+ now buying in the states.

amnesty

luck999 - when did you submit your form 1 for processing and did you also submit an amnesty letter at the same time?

I submitted all my forms on Friday and was told they don't do data entry on the weekend. I can buy that but I thought I heard something in the guys voice. Maybe I'm paranoid after my ordeal but I'm probably not. I know from experience it's usually just a one day turnaround on these things. I asked point blank and was told that if I submitted the letter of exception then I would get my form 2.

I can't help but feel the amnesty offer, verbal or written will have to stand up. If I hadn't recieved the grace period I could have possibly traded the vehicle off as it only had 10 miles on it. But now I've driven it so I'm for sure taking a hit, plus GST plus RIV fee, plus A/C tax plus plus plus while the dollar compouds the natural depreciation. Plus now that it's here how do you get it back?

I can't see how the government lawyers would allow a total revoke of the amnesty. They must know it would lead to a case they can't win - and surely RIV must have taken some direction from Transport.

shellyh

Like you, if this matter is not rectified to my satisfaction soon, I will be commencing legal action against TC and RIV. They provided information, I relied on it. I've heard the argument that the list of admissibility is subject to change without notice. However, all that means is that they can change the list without telling me. If I act on the information that is in place at the time by purchasing a vehicle they cannot later change the information without either allowing me to import the vehicle or incurring liability. Further, I was specifically told that the vehicle is admissible. There certainly was no disclaimer provided before the numerous RIV agents told me that the vehicle was admissible.

I purchased a post Sept 1st manufactured Cadillac Escalade. Paid over $62,000.00. Vehicle sitting in Montana.

amnesty

If anyone out there is even thinking of buying a 2008 at least wait until Tuesdays announcement. Not to be a pessimist but I have a feeling Transport is set to take RIV out at the knees and I personally wouldn't touch a 2008 post September for my life right now. If anyone feels differently I'd be happy to sell them a 2008 Sienna XLE Limited AWD. At least I can use the Nav to find my way back to the U.S. - puke.

amnesty

I agree with you shellyh, RIV must certainly incur the liability at least where trucks/suv/vans are concerned. The pre Nov list made no mention of year where as the passenger car list ommitted the year. I had looked at getting a Camry but 2008's were neither admissible or inadmissible. I assume it was the case for most of the Honda's but when it came to the Special Purpose category no mention was made of year or production date, it was wide open. I had phoned RIV in October and told that there was no problem importing a 2008 Sienna. A local dealer was importing them brand new and selling them. I wonder what this means to people who are currently driving post September now inadmissible vehicles? Is the government going to force them out? It seems unrealistic but I guess at this point anything can happen.

Why is transport so bent out of shape? It's not like it's a road safety issue.

sergelbergeron

I have a printed list dated October 23. Write me an e-mail with your phone number and we can talk.

lucky999

Amnesty

I submitted everything Friday ( I followed up Friday evening, Saturday and today) I was told that the processing agent would not get to it before this coming Tuesday. (Then again I was also told in October that I could import the SUV as displayed in the October VAFUS).

I strongly believe that I have a good litigation case if this does not pull through.

Indeed, I have the Amnesty letter, the proof of prior november 1st purchase, and multiple correspondance between the RIV and myself. I just need the Pre-november list with the admissible and inadmissible MPV's

I'll keep you folks posted.

amnesty

retiredtom - my email is amnesty2008@hotmail.com

Contact me by email and I'll send you a scan of an MSO and a U.S. title so you can see how they work. If anyone else has some private questions feel free to email me as well.

amnesty

I hope you really are lucky, lucky999, because it seems we are in the same boat. I was told they are processing Monday and I had a friend call and he got the same answer. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

mottie

retiredtom;I find myself misinterpreting some of these RIV statements as my head is spinning. Please let me know how you make out with the Masterguard.Any idea when you are importing?