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Infiniti G35 vs. Acura TL
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I guess if they had used hood struts that would have increased understeer, eh?! Oh, btw, you were asking if the interior is not lux and not sport, then what is it? It's spelled C H E A P.
They are all a matter of opinion, no numbers or stats to back it up. I cant argue with anybody's opinions.
Is there any drivability issue for any car such as winter driving, 0-60, slalom, top speed, today's road condition straight or curve. What drivability issue are we talking about? no number I guess.
TL has TCS and VSA that help to eliminate those feeling thats why people dont feel that way as much as it used to. Otherwise how TL manage to reach 67.5 mph slalom test while others cant.
Every article that you saw always pick G35 over any car, never rank TL#1 over 330i(2) and lower for G35?, are you sure?. Cuz they consider a bunch of other factors than just a 'tail-out sensation'. Do you remember one mag said "G35 suffers from excessive oversteer which makes handling tricky at the limit"
Let's remember the very reason I got on my G horse is to let the guy who thought the TL was now the benchmark know that he has some serious misgivings. The G may not be the benchmark even but the TL is certainly not either.
As far as 911 comparisons = like it or not the headlight stack is similar in function and design if no appearance - the genetics of the car are well documented and revealed - better than looking like a Bonneville.
The G trumped the 330 in handling, most speed measurements and tbe 330 was the bencmark and arguably still can be.
So whoever said the TL trumps the G or the 3 is really misguided as much as my rosy colered zealousness allows me to be so optimistic that my car is better than a TL. There is only one stat that suggests its as competent and that is slalom times.
COME ON. 0-100, 0-top speed, skidpad and many other qualitative measures of performance to go before G is trumped. 0-60 the TL may be faster but no way to 100 or quarter. The 59 mph someone quoted for G slalom is on a wet track for sure since my integra could do that. The numbers I've seen are 66 or so.
Now the car is great - we are splitting hairs when we argue and hopefully having fun at it but the TL over the G or 3 for becnhmark while it may come out in the numbers WHEN A COMP IS ACTUALLY DONE - has yet to be proven and one stat to hang a hat on does not a benchmark make!
The first generation TL was the car that saved the Acura franchise by offering more luxury and performance sedan for the money than any rival. With new glitz and glam, we feel that the even more capable 2004 Acura TL will not only add many more converts to Honda's premium brand, but it raises the bar competitors must leap to ear-bleeding heights."
Evidently the list of "uninformed" magazine opinions of the TL is growing by the day or should I say by the test ! The uninformed consumers buying the TL at a record setting pace are also obviously uninformed. Don't they know the car is FWD and doesn't have perfect balance for the drivers who will never ever get to the point of using that perfect balance. That's what racetracks are for and I doubt anyone on this board is going to push their $35K plus new car to the limit of possibly throwing it away in a corner on some twisty public road. Where oh where is all this performance driving and take it to the limit handeling taking place ?
Thou doth protest too much G35 and 3 series owners. Sounds like whistling in the dark to me.
While it is true the G does post good numbers, it is not a Ferrari or an M5 or an M3. If you average out every number in every comparo, the G will be smack in the middle.
As for CRs number on the TL, it was one test made at the Connecticut facility. Emergency handling speed however falls short of the competition. I would prefer to have a car that went through cones slower than the competition, but had a higher speed of emergency maneuvers.
I can't say if anyone is "afraid", but the question begging to be asked is "WHAT FOR", unless you're some acne-faced high school kid trying to impress some girl that you've got the hots for? It's a tad immature for a grown man to be power-sliding on city streets, don't you think? I mean, who are you trying to impress?
Not to mention dangerous and opening yourself up for a ticket.
back to the topic now?
...which doesn't explain your logic. When the professional reviews about the '04 TL come out in the weeks to come, you'll be eating your words. The new TL is totally redesigned and...
Guess I was right!
Kahunah, do you believe that before buying this TL, 90% of my research was about other car not the new TL.
This is just great. TL is the best SPORT sedan by motorweek.
Front wheel drive is the reason the TL was excluded from the last comparo, in which the G35 won. Magazines will never agree. So now the TL is at zero. CD -1, MW +1. Considering CD doesn't even see it as a serious sports sedan. I agree, it's a very good sporty sedan.
"Motoring 2004" (Canadian version of MotorWeek) Car of the Year poll results revealed the TL as the best SPORTS SEDAN.
http://www.motoringtv.com/caroftheyear.html
Sorry that is what they wrote. Dont kill me pleeaaasse, it was an accident whuaaaa
Must be a different CD I just saw at the store. The $30K sports sedan comparo was in the CD issue on the news stand. G35#1, 325i #2 and TL#3.
I didn't have my glasses with me so I couldn't read the article. the only lol here is even including the 325i in the comparison. 330i, absolutely but 325i..pleaaaaase! Giving away 80hp to the others is more than any car is going to make up in that vaunted RWD handling argument. You would certainly have plenty of time to dwell on your RWD handling because you would be so far off the back you would be all alone in the corners. I guess the 325i was in it because it costs as much as the others and CD felt obliged to pay their advertiser with a nice review. That is the only logic I can come up with because the 325i is off the back in any comparison with the new sports sedans...it makes me lol.
Yeah why didn't they include the S60 in there and the Caddy CTs as well? Those cars should have been in there.
The TL finshed 3rd to the 3 Series and G35 so its not like the TL is a bad car. The TL did beat the Audi and the Lexus.
"That's what racetracks are for and I doubt anyone on this board is going to push their $35K plus new car to the limit of possibly throwing it away in a corner on some twisty public road. Where oh where is all this performance driving and take it to the limit handeling taking place ?
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This sums up our differences - I wake up in the middle of the night and go for coffee runs up the blue route and push the car to the limits of traction whenever it's not snowing. I take the train to work so most of the driving I do is pushing that car hard as a mother. I dont want some cushy intagible laden softy special that my dad will enjoy. I want to hear my motor sream through 3rd with the radio off and no one around for miles and make freakin love to my car!
I push my tires to thier limit and overteer every week. We have different needs folks. I paid a little more and avoided a passat or 325 so I could actually have a car to push HARD. The latter examples are not capable in context of the demands I put on a car. While the TL would probably handle most of what I need, the fact is I wouldn't even bother unless I can push the car throught the apex the way god intended it.
If you haven't familiarized yourself with your car's traction limits and held the car at that limit for a couple secs and played with the throttle and experienced the "edge"...then may I ask why you bother paying 35k for a car???
When I'm done doing some other money absorbing adventures and ventures I'll be explaining to my future x wife why I spent 35 k MORE next time I buy a car and it will perform even better and I will push it even harder. I see where you are coming from and I believe you will find a TL just fine for your needs. It really is a great car.
You talk like you got a chip on your shoulder the size of Manhattan. You gotta chill, or else you're gonna end up killing yourself doing something to prove something to no one in particular.
I'm not as crazy as I sound - really. I've should have been committed in the late 80's but now a hard right turn to get on the highway with noone in sight while spilling cofee all over my leg at 60 is just routine and harmless and letting loose.
At these ridiculous hours it's much safer for the rest of the sleeping driving public. Having driven well made cars for much of my life (even if they weren't mine most of the time) I can enjoy most cars limits and find the solace of the open and EMPTY road to be thrilling and enjoyable.
As far as the late 80's, I will never let my son (should I have one) drive by himself until he's 25 after some of the things I should have never lived through...flipped a pontiac all alone on the road at 17, drove a supra turbo on Roswell Road at triple digit speeds - trying to sell it no less!, I'm sure we've all been stupid but someone should have had a talk with me about 15 years ago.
Now I am so gentle while driving all OTHER times that my girlfriend yells at me for going to slow and for the long distances I gap in front of me on the highway. The 70k car will prob be a 545 or a GTR in 2007...or a PRUIS - we'll see!
The major problem with doing it on public roads, no matter what time you are out, is that sooner or later ( murphy's law ) the unexpected occurs and then there is usually a price to be paid. I don't like to preach to anyone about driving fast because I love it myself. I anticipate many people in this forum do or they wouldn't be buying the automobiles we are discussing here. The best place to really explore your limits and your car's limits is obviously the racetrack. I used to rent track time to take my 750CC motorcycle out and really find out who I was and what my bike was really capable of. Everyone is going the same direction and you can be assured no one is going to blow a light at an intersection or cross the center line.
Every time I get the urge to do what you are doing I ask myself what it would be like if a police officer came to my door to tell me some guy racing his car killed my wife because he lost control. The reason they lost control wouldn't really matter to me. It always makes me turn up the stereo, open the sunroof when I can and think it's a great life and I have a great wife.
Be careful out there and maybe look for a racetrack to rent some time on. Driving fast is certainly a thrill and a major adrenaline rush.
Like most other rushes however, it can cloud good judgment at times.
Good number or stats in real life dont guarantee a thing. Sorry if it sounds like preaching but people can easily destroy life while they cant create one.
I used to race on the street and sometime betting on it. But things changed after I picked up my friend's dying body and heard a cracking noice out of his bone. That was back in 89 and it took me a while to forget it. I was in second while he was in third, thats when he crashed into a cab.
Sorry for the preaching but I think both danny1878 and myself misinterpreted your original post. Remember...rubber side down !
So you mean to tell me you've driven all the Italian exotics to know this compared the G35? You'll have to back that "better than anytying under 150K" statement up names and braking numbers.
M
I've driven some great cars but I leave it to the experts for all conclusive comparisons...
From Car and Driver>>>>
"Moreover, when equipped with the manual, the G35 sedan comes standard with the sport-tuned suspension package—more aggressive damping and W-rated 215/55R-17 Goodyear Eagle GS-D summer tires—resulting in a car that handles and brakes right with the coupes. On the skidpad, the sedan, at 0.87 g, fell slightly behind the Z Track at 0.88 g and the G35 coupe's best at 0.90, but it managed to top the 330i (0.86). And keep in mind that those three cars ride on bigger 18-inch wheels and tires. Despite wearing the skinniest rubber, the G35 still shorted them all, posting a distance of 153 feet from 70 to 0 mph. That's less than the pavement needed by the Z (164), G35 coupe (157), 330i (158), and even the Lamborghini Murciélago (155) and the Saleen S7 (156). Perhaps Nissan had some leftover brakes from the R390 GT1 supercar. "Hey, Taka, what should we do with these fancy brakes?""
There are some complaining about the brakes for early wear but the warranty came out and made that a hassle free issue. I've driven some much more expensive v8's and german sports cars that never had this kind of stopping power...they are simply unbelievable. Test drive it again if you dont buy it...
"Braking performance is top-notch, too, with 60-to-0 stops averaging a short, neat 115 feet. Our drivers were very impressed with our 6-speed's all-disc ABS brakes with Brembo front calipers. Results are comparable to some recent Porsche's we've tested."
Current owner of a 6MT G35 sedan. Was at our auto show last Friday and had my first chance to see and sit in the 2004 TL. Of course, I did not drive it. My impressions:
I am not really a fan of the car's exterior. The interior, however, is very nice. Very well executed and put together. Is it better than the G's? I don't really know, I am of the opinion that these things are very objective. I can tell you that my impression is that the rear seat/foot room is smaller than the G's, something that is important to me in light of the fact that we have two car seats back there. I am sure that the car performs very well and do not wish to reopen the debate. Will it have some first-year gremlins? Probably. Did the G? You bet. I guess my point here is that I don't understand all the bickering back and forth regarding these two cars (or any other two, three, four, etc. cars for that matter). Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and should ultimately buy what they want. Would I trade my G for the TL? Probably not, but then again, I have not driven it. But you must admit that Acura/Honda makes some good cars. As has been pointed out in the past, it's great for the consumer to have so many choices in this segment. It was not that long ago that we had very few. All car manufacturers are pushing other manufacturers and it is we, the consumer, that benefits. Good grief, Cadillac is dropping the Corvette Z06 V8 into the CTS! It's a good time to be a sports sedan buyer! (Yes, I know the CTS-V is on another price plane. I am just amazed at the horsepower wars.)
Cadillac Sixteen - with its 13.6L XV16 engine puts out a mind-blowing 1,000 horsepower and 1,000 lbs.-ft. of torque.
Where does it end?
Given the choice of a CTS-V and a 16 - I'd drive the CTS-V and never look back. Moving houses are cool if you are Trump and I'm no Trump.