Infiniti G35 vs. Acura TL

chrisboth

So if you had read car and driver that day you'd be driving a G?

danny1878

Eddie you made the right decision

These are some good news about the car that you chosed
Best hightech car according to yahoo news 2004
Best Sport sedan by motorweek 2004
Canadian Car of the year 2004
Best performing upscale sedan by leading consumer 2004 (The Auto channel)
Consumer report rank TL #1
Car and Driver rank TL no 3 but 325i no 2 (isn’t that ridiculous)
TL won over any car on 0-60, 1/4 mile, 5-60 (Car and driver)
TL has the best slalom test 67.5 mph, G35 59.2 and 330i 63.6 (Edmunds)
TL sales record is higher than G35, 330i

There are not so many test or comparison since the car has only been around for 4 months. No regret indeed.

chrisboth

"Consumer report rank TL #1
Car and Driver rank TL no 3 but 325i no 2 (isn’t that ridiculous)
TL won over any car on 0-60, 1/4 mile, 5-60 (Car and driver)
TL has the best slalom test 67.5 mph, G35 59.2 and 330i 63.6 (Edmunds)
TL sales record is higher than G35, 330i"

Why shouldn't the 325 be ranked higher? It's got better composure and balance no matter how you shake it. THe 59 mph slalom for the G is the most BS ever since a corolla can do 59 and it was not the sports suspension eqipped G they drove - it was a 27K stripper that with me driving it could do 66 between the cones. And the more they sell the less exclusive they are...and the TSX sales are very high as well and that affect the TL's exclusivity since they look identical.

Nothing wrong with praising the TL but Car and Driver says it best..." Overall, the Infiniti G35's convincing advantages in space and power more than make up for its small flaws. It's a worthy winner.

danny1878

Too bad only one that says g35 is the best "Car and driver only" with 325i second and TL third which makes many people feel ridiculous(325i).
325i (slower, smaller, less feature, less luxo) didnt win anything except for tail-out-sensation while many other reports dont think so.

G35 stripper 27k can only do 59.2 mph on slalom 600 while TL stripper can do 67.5 mph for slalom, hmmm I wonder if TL has sport package like the A-spec can do.

Fyi tsx sales is quite low only 1870 units for feb.

Exclusiveness, unfortunately TL has more fan than G35. Even the supply is tight people still ordering in advance. For me thats better than dwelling alone in the corner with one by one of my G35 friends moving to TL.

chrisboth

?? Some english or complete sentences would help your case. Whose in a corner? If you wanna have a stat war I can point to many articles pointing out the deficiencies in the balance and FWD problems the TL suffers without a comparison to the class leader. The A spec you say?? Anyone can mod out a car and charge more..when the G does it there will be few talking about aspec.

Everywhere I look the G and 3 slalom numbers are 65 and 66. Feel free to hang your hat on the one stat that looks bad in one mag one day with a 27k stripper if it helps your cause for denial. With 215's the G has plenty of room for some Aspec type improvements just in tires alone. And lets not forget that the Car and Driver editors got a .9 G on those skinny puppies which bests everyone in the test.

PS the stripper is not for sport driving - you know, some cars have option and stuff - like the 400 bucks for the upgraded suspension that car and driver guys failed to get thier hands on.

Little is being said or shown that put one over the other in any significant way. I take it you are still high on new car smell and thats all good.

If you really are interested in seeing who can run - Laguna Seca has quite a big G turnout and you can see it and belive rather than hear it.

danny1878

65 and 66 are not 67.4 you just made my point

TL without ECU limiter can have 285 hp at least (TOV) let alone with A-spec.G35 also has a sport package right?

In 2004 only Car and driver mentioned G35 on top.

Chill out dude, its only a discussion lol

I gtg to casino, be back in 4 hours or so lol

buffagm

Interesting discussion but I think in this context, it comes down to this: For an enthusiast driver, there is almost no reason to pick a TL over a G35.

mobofe

b/c despite being in its first production run, the new TL allows you to actually sit and drive without losing feeling in your limbs.

http://g35driver.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=1&Num- - ber=107257&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part=

danny1878

What kind of car can you get if a car enthusiast think of:
1. The look of a car, doesn’t matter
2. Features and high technology, don’t matter
3. Luxuries, don’t matter
4. Comfort driving (without feeling of losing a limb), doesn’t matter
5. Speed (0-60,1/4 mile, 5-60, Hp) don’t matter
6. Slalom ability doesn’t matter
7. The car don’t sell “much”, doesn’t matter
8. 5 reports full of different type of car enthusiasts naming other car the best, don’t matter
9. Hyundai tiburon (1051 units sold in Jan) and Accents (2803 units sold in Jan ‘04) are much better in term of exclusivity
10. Better MPG, doesn’t matter
11. The car last longer, doesn’t matter
12. The car (is more quiet) has less higher-frequency wind noise at driver passenger ‘ear point’ than 530i, G35, ES300, doesn’t matter
13. The roads today has more turnings, cornering only.

Well I guess I am not a true “enthusiast driver” after all, thank god.

chrisboth

"65 and 66 are not 67.4 you just made my point

TL without ECU limiter can have 285 hp at least (TOV) let alone with A-spec.G35 also has a sport package right? "

So why cant you hold the road like the .9 for the G in skinny tires. I drive corners not cones. And I get to twist my asse around the apex the way the fun gods and physics gods commanded us. Also when you tweak your ecu, I can too and I can get a redline upgrade and another 20 hp for 500 bucks. Wanna have a mod contest - it helps to start with torque.

There is no sport package for the G - there is a sports suspension package that most of us opt for - its 400 bucks. When the G sports package comes out it will simply be the 05 G standard pakage with 300 hp and another couple years of dominance to come.

What kind of car can you get if a car enthusiast think of:

"1. The look of a car, doesn’t matter"

Yeah - yer right, I should of gotten a 3 series look alike in FWD format to totally ruin the "ultimate drinving experience"

2. Features and high technology, don’t matter

I dont have a single 5.1 cd and I refuse to use the phone toothed or not while listening to the gurlge and hum of the most perfectly balanced v-6 ever produced. My radio is barely on....how that for low tech superiority! The new 600 hp cobra doesn't have high tech so you wont buy that?

3. "Luxuries, don’t matter"
 
Talk some more when you move out of the ENTRY lux class.?

4. Comfort driving (without feeling of losing a limb), doesn’t matter

I'm 6'4 or 5 and 240-260 depending one whether its the weekend or not...and I take 7 hour trips to NC on a monthly basis. My limbs are still hanging in there. You found a posting about the seat controls by some unfortuante soul - whoopee. I found an unfortunate soul who bought TL and thought it was RWD...He's my buddy who bought if for his wife and thought is was his RWD funmmobile on the weekends...hes on 1 - 800 - dont kill yourself right now!

5. "Speed (0-60,1/4 mile, 5-60, Hp) don’t matter"

as long as 0-100, 50-70, 60-130, not having turbo lag in a NA car.....you haven't raced one have you

6. "Slalom ability doesn’t matter"

hey you got one stat but you still cant hang on in the corners better!

7. "The car don’t sell “much”, doesn’t matter
 
ONE RIGHT

8". 5 reports full of different type of car enthusiasts naming other car the best, don’t matter"

They dont - I the consumer with my own opinion matter. BUt you haven't read Car and Driver or Road and Track or MOtor Trend in the last few years or are simply choosing to ignore them

9". Hyundai tiburon (1051 units sold in Jan) and Accents (2803 units sold in Jan ‘04) are much better in term of exclusivity."

I would buy one in a second if I needed one

"10. Better MPG, doesn’t matter"

NO NO NO - The state that taxes has more impact than the car you drive...where are you?

11. "The car last longer, doesn’t matter
another one right"

Yes that why I bought the #1 car in long term reliablity -I hear those accord platforms are very reliable to so this is going nowhere...

12. "The car has less higher-frequency wind noise at driver passenger ‘ear point’ than 530i, G35, ES300, doesn’t matter"

You never heard of that before last month did you. I hear engine not wind in my car. At 100 its quiter than a 7 series when theres no gas apllied. You may better that with your quiet motor alone. It helps some forget that they have FWD I suppose

you got 3 out of 10

danny1878

Lol Good discussion and good response Chris bravo. I wonder what other thinks. Now I'm hungry gtg again.

jrock65

chrisboth and danny1878,

Haha, you guys are funny. I like both cars pretty much equally, and it's interesting how both of you take basically the same set of facts or widely regarded opinions and zealously "skew" them in favor of one car or the other.

A friend of mine (who knows absolutely nothing about cars) is shopping in this segment and I recommended both the G and the TL. Yes, kdshapiro, I also told her to look at the 3 series (as well as the A4). Basically, she is looking for a safe, comfortable, "pretty" car in this price category. I guess she'll just have to go look at them and decide which one is the "prettiest."

chrisboth

Hey it is all zealousy twisted bias for the fun of it just lke boarding high when we talked prelude v supra, 300 v starion, iroc v GT for hours...and hours

The funny thing is my buddy actually knows quite a bit about cars and thought the TL was RWD. His wife did all the work on the deal and he thought he was a pig in #$%^ until I revealed the truth. He said he hadn't pushed the car with all the bad weather and was very sweaty and pale after i told him. We wrecked dinner for some poor couple we laughed so hard when I told him..the look on his face was priceless...I think he want the CTSV now....me too

95gt

Well if you really want to say something like " For an enthusiast driver, there is almost no reason to pick a TL over a G35." than you would have to admit for a REAL enthusiast driver there is no reason to choose a G35 over an EVO or STI. Most people want these types of sport sedans (G35/TL etc) because they have some luxury because 99% of us aren't autocrossing.

chrisboth

So then an M5 or 540 or M3 or any of the monster sports sedans are now useless becasue of tin econo box 4 cylinder turbo? That is not a sports sedan. Sports sedan buyers in the lux or near lux arena are not intersted in small econo cars pumped up with graphite and spoilers and turbos. If few cross shop these there is not much to your point. For those of us that want rigid sizable platforms with power and handling and some luxury - RWD becomes the pivotal point when pricing is similar as in TL v G case.

His point is there are no WWD sports sedans...they really should be called (as KDS says) "sporty sedans".

And by the way many of us hate all wheel drive for the same reasons we dont like fwd.

95gt

What is WWD?

My point was you do not make a blanket statement about TRUE enthusiasts would of course choose the G35. Sorry I love sporty cars and am going to get the TL over the G35 because it is sporty, luxurious, and better traction in winter. I would rather have AWD as it would lessen the torque steer issue and offer even better traction but there is no real luxury sporty car that offers that and a stick for less than 40k.

But if i was a true driving enthusiast I would be looking at a true Sporty car. You would be hard pressed to find someone that thinks the G is a better handler and more sporty than an STI or EVO.

chrisboth

WWD = Wrong wheel drive

"I would rather have AWD as it would lessen the torque steer issue and offer even better traction but there is no real luxury sporty car that offers that and a stick for less than 40k.
But if i was a true driving enthusiast I would be looking at a true Sporty car. You would be hard pressed to find someone that thinks the G is a better handler and more sporty than an STI or EVO. "

I am hard pressed to think a G is sportier or handles better than an STI or evo...I am hard pressed to buy one for the reasons I blasted them above...they still are econo boxes that handle better than a 545i - that means little to me. Once the skidpad hits .9 and the 0-60 < 6 seconds there is little left I need in a bigger sedan. The class we are discussing does not contain these hardly comfortable hard to appreciate teen dreams.

95gt

Guess you just cant realize that I agree that they aren't comparable but also don't think a blanket statement about how a true driver would of course pick the G35. Whatever.

carguy58

2 advantages the TL has over the the G35 is a better interior but also I don't think the G35 is going to look that good in 7-10 years. Acura's have a pretty strong track win it comes to the stlying aging well. Styles like Nissan and Caddy are putting out now I don't think will that good in the long term period of things. I'm sure the G35 is a good car but in the long run the TL won't be better suited for my needs if it came down to the choice of the 2 cars.

chrisboth

The g and the TL are only comparable on price points imo. Everyone I know wants a 3 a TL an audi or a G. But the G and TL should not be compared for any other purpose as they are dynamically very different animals.

I can't wait until ford chrysler and hyundia start getting into the game!

bodble2

It won't look that good even in 2 years! Of course, that won't matter to "true enthusiasts" like chrisboth. They've apparent adapted to being able to close their eyes when driving and just relishing the oversteer sensation of RWD!

buffagm

Guess you just cant realize that I agree that they aren't comparable but also don't think a blanket statement about how a true driver would of course pick the G35. Whatever.

95gt - I see your point, I would agree that an STi or EVO are much more hard core cars than the G. But in the context of this discussion, G vs. TL, that is irrelevant. I think the G35s excellent handling, more balanced chassis, lack of torque steer and better high speed acceleration would make it my choice on a Sunday drive or even at the track over a TL. The TL's other sterling qualites such as refinement, snow safety and interior ambiance are all great, but dont do much in terms of enthusiastic DRIVING.

jrock65

Styling is a completely subjective area, and no manufacturer's cars have an established "strong" track record of aging well. Aging well to who? Acura owners? If anything, many regard Acuras as generally bland, other than the NSX.

As long as your car looks good to you 2 or 7 years down the line, who cares?

chrisboth

Jrock you have eloquently crystalized my exact thoughts. If it wont look good in two years it wont look good now. I'm thrilled to own a car that resembles the G35c which many describe as "supercar" looks. The twin hull stacked headlights are pretty awesome too IMO. As long as it's unique. I wanted nothing to do with BMW design look alikes attempting to have a mainstream following and mainstream sales...At least BMW's used to look good enough to mimic or duplicate...no so sure the banlged look is going to be copied but it prob will.

danny1878

The review

1. When I said about look, you answered with driving experience? Isn&#146;t that BMW jargon?
2. When I said about features/high-tech, you answered with refusing to use high-tech
3. When asked about luxury, couldnt answer bcuz G35 not even in the ENTRY lux class, no hi-tech needed.
4. When asked about comfort driving/losing limb, you answered with &#145;buddy of mine&#146; (hear-say), people can have thousand &#145;buddy of mine&#146;
5. When asked about 0-60,1/4mile,5-60,hp, you answered try hammering 6th gear from 50 to 70 or 60-130. I think it&#146;s weird to most of people but not for car enthusiast.
6. When asked about G35 ability on slalom, you answered G35 can hang on corner but couldnt make it on slalom, too slow (vice versa)
7. The car don&#146;t sell , no proof/comment needed
8. When asked about 5 current reports from experts, you said compare it with aged report. Its the NEW TL
9. Hyundai tiburon/accents is better maybe bcuz it&#146;s a rare car and under 18k
10. When stated better mpg on TL, you answered with &#147;one time only tax diff. VS weekly gas payment&#148;.
11. When stated longer lasting car, you answered Accord platform VS Nissan maxima platform (one of nissan&#146;s worst sales -21.2% &dropping while altima is better +26.5)
12. When said about noise, if TL has less noise than G35, then whatever G35 claims on 7 series is still under TL&#146;s ability to reduce noise.
13. I dont know who is the expert, people who named TL BEST SPORT SEDAN 2004 by motorweek or ...., whatever?
14. If G35 is a better car why the sales of G35 sucks like hell lol
15. You dont need to wait 7-10 years, the current sales really make my point. Please buy G35 pretty please
16. Any subjective comparison can be seen in sales record. You can talk again if everyone is buying the car like crazy.

Sorry chris you just dont get any point. All facts go to the other way. I think G35 is not for normal people.

danny1878

"And by the way many of us hate all wheel drive for the same reasons we dont like fwd.
"

3 thousands people you said many? 5036 people/month who chosed TL is many. 3>5 ??

G35 sportier than Evo/ STI? The car doesn't even have a radio, sportier? Do you see any radio in racing cars?

Reasons for not buying the car?
1. too expensive but G35 is cheaper
2. Too bad
3. Too good although cheap? but less people wanna buy?

95gt

Danny can you translate your message to english so we can reply? Thanks

jrock65

danny1878,

I'm not sure why you keep saying that "the G35 sales suck." The TL does outsell the G35, but that doesn't mean that the G35 is selling badly, especially given the fact that many people who would otherwise have gotten the G sedan opt for the beautiful G35 Coupe.

The Ford Explorer badly outsells the Honda Pilot in the same price segment, but does that mean that the Pilot sales suck, or that the Explorer is a better vehicle?

"When asked about comfort driving/losing limb, you answered with &#145;buddy of mine&#146; (hear-say), people can have thousand &#145;buddy of mine&#146;"

Um, the "losing limb" comment is also hearsay from some guy in a different forum.

I really like the TL, but don't care for its "high-tech" features, as I have no DVD-a discs nor a Bluetooth phone. I would rather have power entry/exit assist, rear auto up-down windows, and a compass than those features.

billyperks

So an econo box will suit your needs.

jrock65

"I really like the TL, but don't care for its "high-tech" features, as I have no DVD-a discs nor a Bluetooth phone. I would rather have power entry/exit assist, rear auto up-down windows, and a compass than those features." ---> How does preferring one set of features to another set of features become wanting an econo box?

Thanks for the smart aleck comment though. Quite a display of maturity.

chrisboth

Jrock:

It's obvious that technology means alot to the TL buyers - let em have thier high teck gadgets - we bought true sports sedans that need little else but the platform and the motor to sell themselves...let's not forget these are cars. If Acura wants to continue to compete after the initial hype maybe they can add:

- a 35 inch big screen nav with HD
- 2000 watt 8.1 surround - although noone will be able to play anything but movies made in 2009 on it.
- Heads up display similar to the ponitac grand prix's
- windows xp based ecu and tcu with integrated networking and wireless
- ejection seats for when you need to race a G and dump your passengers (and fuel)
- fresh water and food warmer integrated into a the long road trip pacakage that also offers back messager and on line concierege and a port a poo
- integrated GPS and satellite phone as well as heart rate and blood sugar monitoring that can link to help in a percieved emergency... (some one should pay me for this idea)
- tread depth warning on the instrumentation
- auto fold down rear seats ala navigator
- programmable guage clusters with variable unit spacing and info selections
- self cleaing air filter and auto fill air pressure supply
- self cleaing interior
- synthetic carpet the senses when a doggy pees and stiffens the movement of the molecules to allow for instant run off into predesignated drain holes
- 9 speed SMG
- auto pilot (this will happen some day)
- titaniuam reinforced sidewall tires to support all the weight and
- Rear wheel drive

kdshapiro

chrisboth - that last post was one of the funniest you have ever written.

danny1878

Its just a discussion.

I agree with chrisboth that someday all car will be made that way. Comfort and high tech. That is why new cars come with more power, more features and less mpg.

Sorry jrock about G35 sales comment. I agree that many people who bought TL, prefer comfort and many others love the adrenalin rush. I'm just not one of them, but if I dont care about comfort, I would have bought an EVO/STI no radio.

Chris, you are one of a kind. I finally understand your point. Good discussion.

In my mid 30, I think I understand that everyone need is different after all. And I can forgive immature comment of 95gt, no entiende ni madres.

kdshapiro

"Sorry jrock about G35 sales comment"

People use sales in a flawed attempt to understand the market dynamics. Sales of $70K Rolexes are down, sales of $10 Timexes are up. What conclusion can be drawn?

jrock65

Hey man, no need to apologize or anything. I was just confused why you thought the G35 was struggling in terms of sales. But no doubt about it, the TL is a very popular car, and trounces everything in this segment in sales.

igiban

of G35 on recent magazines actually and I am sure it's a worthy car. The fact that TL or ES sells better than G35 may be because the majority of buyers in that price range care a bit more about comfort/luxury than RWD-handling benefits. Also Infinity's I35, although selling even less, may have hurt its own G's # a little bit. If you add I35 and G35 together the sales figure may be more respectful vs. TL and ES.

cheerioboy26

although it is not a direct competitor to the TL, there is the G35 coupe - together with the sedan sales are 5500-7000 per month (off the top of my head). Read an article somewhere that quoted someone from Infiniti who said G35x sales were above plan, especially in the northeast.

I35 sales continue to crash - 995 in January IIRC.

pg48477

If you add sales of G35coupe G35 sedan and I35, you might as well add sales for TL TSX and RSX.

i don't know why but infiniti does not sell as well as acura. Maybe because of the cheap interior, people generally spend more time inside the car than outside looking at it.

danny1878

Kds, good to hear from you again.
Yes timexes sales are up while rolexes are down. I dont understand why you are trying to compare basic need vs esteem/self actualization need. And yes cheap item sells better than expensive one (but those item must be in the same market segment and with the same quality(nearly), substitutable, no x factor)

I'm not an expert in sales but there are many possible explanation for example product life cycle (maturity), market changing, economy, or rolex's idea to keep the old model forever etc.

People do look at quality first, then price they can afford.
Lets take a look at these vehicle with 28-36k market segment, 4 door sedan, from the most expensive
1. BMW 330i, quality ->good, base price ->36k Most Expensive, jan sales-->less than 1000 unit

2. TL, quality -> good, base price ->33.2k expensive, jan sales 5036 units

3. ES330, quality -> good, base price ->32.3k less expensive, jan sales-->5254 units

4. G35, Quality -> Good, base Price -> 28k,most affordable, jan Sales ---> 3382 units

If price really affecting sales, which vehicle has the most NORMAL effect to it and by how much?.
$3k more between TL vs 330i which drove 4k people away from buying a 330i? or
$4k less between G35 and ES330 which drove 2k people away from buying a G35? or
$900 more between ES and TL which drove 200 people away from buying a TL?

I cant add coup because it's a different market segment. Nice try cheerio!

danny1878

If you add coup, you better add all cars in the group to compare, in order to prove which brand name is better

Jan 2004 sales for

Total Acura car sales = 8,966 units
Total Infinity car sales = 6,850 units

Total Acura truck sales = 4,165 units
Total Infinity truck sales = 2,542 units

Total Honda car sales = 44,893 units
Total Nissan car sales = 36,276 units

Total Honda truck sales = 32,149 units
Total Nissan truck sales = 26,496 units

dude9876

Great point danny. Using your logic we can start basing the oscar on best movie on sales....the best cd is whatever sold the most....etc. You just put all critics out of business.

kdshapiro

Seriously though, sales as indicator of the cars success is both valuable and useless at the same time. Toyota is now the number 2 company, CAMRY rules in the sales department. Obviously there are the uninformed populace who know nothing about sports sedans that somehow think the CAMRY gives them what they are looking for in a vehicle. So we can assert it may have a mushy suspension, middle of the road acceleration, an undesireable sports sedan, but the people like it.

So from that perspective maybe Toyota is more on the mark Honda, Nissan, BMW etc.

Then we can look at this by segment. It is said the TL outsells the G. Maybe Acura hit the mark better on the head than Infinity in terms of the overall car. I believe the G is a better performer in spite of CRs proclamation and testing, but consistent with other magazines, and lets give the nod to Acura, like Toyota for giving the people what they want. But not necessarily producing the worlds finest sports sedan.

BTW BMW sales for Jan are down dramatically due to the retooling of their major facility in January.

cheerioboy26

I wasn't trying to justify Infiniti sales, make the case for Infiniti being better than Acura, etc, by adding in the G coupe (and CERTAINLY not the I!)

I was just saying that perhaps some people who might compare the G sedan and the TL end up with the G coupe, for whatever reason, since it is similar (not the same) to the G sedan, aside from obviously lacking 2 doors.

Some of you get a little to worked up over this stuff.

/back to lurk mode

lmacmil

The forum title shouldn't be interpreted to mean "which is the better car" but rather "I like one better than the other because..." It is impossible to say one car is better than another in absolute terms because everyone has different needs and desires. We pick the car that meets our needs/desires (and budget) best.
 
In the case of the TL vs G35, we can rule out the budget issue. Both cars accelerate quickly, handle well, and provide all the luxury anyone needs. One may have a slight edge in straight line acceleration, one may handle better, the other may ride better.

As a potential buyer, I want to know why you picked the one you did. It certainly wasn't because Consumer Reports or Car & Driver preferred it. It wasn't because one sells more than the other or because the sales person didn't call you back. Tell me why you picked the one you did but don't tell me one is better than the other. In fact, if you didn't actually buy one, I don't really care what your opinion is.

danny1878

dude9876, there are 5 reports in 2004 that gave the nod to TL. So who got the most oscar (overall as a car)?

Kds, Total sales of 330i in 2003 was only 9k+ units, if you divide that with 12 months, you know how many unit/month.

I agree, that is why I only compare TL and G35 sedan only, not company to company bcuz Toyota and Honda has the advantage.

If G35 or whatever car you meant is only for car enthusiast point of view, then why they all are trying to please everyone's need in comfort, luxury, child safety/family feature etc.

I agree that it's not the world finest sport sedan, bcuz it has some luxury, comfort and family feature type of car like 4 door, homelink, child safety.

Lol cheeerio, happy lurking.

pat

>>The forum title shouldn't be interpreted to mean "which is the better car" but rather "I like one better than the other because..." It is impossible to say one car is better than another in absolute terms because everyone has different needs and desires. We pick the car that meets our needs/desires (and budget) best.<<

Thanks lmacmil - very well said!

aspesisteve

I ran a comparison with the Accord V6 leather with the G35. With 240 horsepower, a longer wheel base and interior room the Accord is not a bad comp.

I realize that the G35 is a sport tuned sedan (more fun to drive), but the Accord IS $6,000 less for a comparably equipt car.

supremes

How do you all feel about your choice (G35 vs. TL) now that you have had an opportunity to own and drive one? I am in the market for one and am curious to get a sense of how everyone likes (or dislikes) their choices.

chrisboth

So the accord wheelbase is over 112 inches long now? What is the TL for then?

95gt

Danny not sure why you think my comment was immature. Below is your post.

"And by the way many of us hate all wheel drive for the same reasons we dont like fwd.
"

You have this quoted but don't mention it anywhere in your message??

3 thousands people you said many? 5036 people/month who chosed TL is many. 3>5 ??

Getting by the obvious grammer mistakes what exactly are you trying to say here?

G35 sportier than Evo/ STI? The car doesn't even have a radio, sportier? Do you see any radio in racing cars?

Reasons for not buying the car?
1. too expensive but G35 is cheaper (what cars are you talking about?) Comparably equipped TL is cheaper
2. Too bad
3. Too good although cheap? but less people wanna buy?

Was really asking you to explain your statement as it made no sense to me. Sorry if that was taken as immature