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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    It would be nice if the X6 was axed.

    I know you don't like it but they've sold over 100K of them world wide and since they are built solely in Spartunburg, it keeps a US plant humming.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    "400 lb battery pack? Not so much. "

    But these things weigh so much that 400 lbs isn't that big a hit. Not that it's a good thing, of course.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    100K of them? Must be boatloads of them going to China and the Middle East, and to Sixt in Germany...I can't imagine that being right otherwise...

    I see them now and then (saw one this morning even), but not too often.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    In looking over various sources, only about 10% of X6's are sold here in the US.

    I have no idea but let's say the gross profit on each X6 was $5K. Selling 100,000 units equals $500 million in gross profit in the past 4 years.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Where can I view this data? I would love to see what regions are embracing this design disaster.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    BMW doesn't release model results as far as I can see but here is the press release from Oct 2010 showing 100K mark:

    https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?outputChannelId- =6&id=T0086535EN&left_menu_item=node__5309

    Also this wiki page shows US sales through 2010:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_X6#Production_and_sales
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Cool thanks, I had no idea, I would have guessed half that. I guess PT Barnum was right :shades:
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Actually 100,000 isn't that many, I'm sure they sell three times as many X5s.

    So far I've seen a grand total of ONE on the roads.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786
    Must be boatloads of them going to China and the Middle East, and to Sixt in Germany...I can't imagine that being right otherwise...

    Sixt will buy anything; they used to have a fleet of Hummers ready and waiting outside the Munich airport.

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    They and I think Europcar recently bought a load of G-Wagens. I know some people were laughing at this. I know Sixt has a fleet of X6 right now and has for some time. They have had many 5er GTs for some time too - probably get em cheap.

    Sixt is my favorite there, never received anything but a nice car and their cars tend to be highly equipped. Rates are competitive too, not the cheapest, but you get what you pay for.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Actually 100,000 isn't that many, I'm sure they sell three times as many X5s.

    True but for an oddball derivative, it's not bad. It's not like they had to engineer a whole new car - I believe it's built off the X5 so major development costs were already made.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So far I've seen a grand total of ONE on the roads.

    Lucky you.

    Remember that the X6 came out with turbo engines before the X5 got them, so in order to get the upgrade engine you were forced into an X6 for the first year or two.

    Now the X5 offers the upgraded engines, and I bet X6 sales drop.

    I think the better engines artificially increased X6 sales.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Lucky him indeed. I probably see one every few days anyway.

    I don't know how much they cannibalized X5 sales though, or if the average buyer of either knows or cares about engines. There is something very ostentatious and brash about the X6 that appeals to some, IMO. X5 is much more conservative. X6 is reaching the paragon of douchemobile.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I guess this is a Taurus SHO in a tux?

    What engine does that get? Curious, lemme look...

    Yep, EcoBoost V6.

    These are rare, at least around here. I remember seeing one close when I was in Miami for spring break 2010, Lincoln was sponsoring an art show at the Convention Center there. I remember how huge it was inside. Cross your legs in the back seat huge.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    There is something very ostentatious and brash about the X6 that appeals to some...X6 is reaching the paragon of douchemobile.

    You know fin - you need to lighten up. I'll bet if you went an attended a couple of artsy events targeted at the noveau riche, you're whole outlook at life would change!

    :)
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I see a couple of MKS's almost everyday but don't recall and AWD model. I lik the way they look.

    BTW, I've seen 3 X6's in the past 2 days. Now I'll need to keep my eyes out for the X4:

    http://www.insideline.com/bmw/x4/2014/2014-bmw-x4-confirmed-by-ceo.html
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    And just wait for the X8, the convertible!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Squinty eyes, slammed windows. The look has played out.

    Cars like the 300C are already reversing that trend and offering green houses that you can actually see out of.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    It's a sketch juice!!

    You really think the 300C has a large greenhouse?? IMHO, it's looks small.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Less small. ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Am I wrong, or do I just offend by targeting the protected class? :shades:

    Is the X6 not an ostentatious poser object aimed at those with more dollars than sense?

    If I attended that artsy event, I would celebrate my own humanity a little more...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    CrossCabrio needs a competitor! Listen up BMW, a market niche you haven't touched.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Am I wrong, or do I just offend by targeting the protected class?

    No you're not offending me but you seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about people who can afford things you don't like. Or is it a case of the fintail doth protest too much?

    Is the X6 not an ostentatious poser object aimed at those with more dollars than sense?

    As with about 50% of all cars out there IMHO. The X6 may not be your cup of tea but someone out there is willing to spend the money on it because they like it. Does it really matter to you what other people spend their dollars on?

    BTW - don't you drive some sort of older German car? Couldn't someone has said the same thing about it at one time?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    edited September 2011
    Usually chips on the shoulder are only pointed out if they are offensive. I won't deny my shoulder with its chip when it comes to how some parts of the spectrum have devolved at the expense of others. If I was making fun of a cheapo car or a skinflint owner, would it be so bad? I doubt it. Pity the rich seems to be a new mantra. I hope I am not inciting "class warfare" :shades:

    50% of the cars ostentatious poser objects? Nah. IMO, 90% of cars are some variation of a toaster or refrigerator. But other than a tacky spoiler or oversized wheels, most don't put on a show. People are free to buy what they like, and I am free to opine about said purchases, and they are free to opine about mine.

    I have two German cars - the modern car was a low production sleeper when new, not advertising its prowess...and the old car was a weirdo left field choice mostly for tech geeks.

    On the thread topic, I saw an extremely loaded looking Optima today, still on temp registration. The fact that such cars exist, when compared to the invisible old Optima, shows how much of a jump the new car is.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    artsy event

    Funny thing is, we pretty much ran in to it by accident.

    It was a rainy Miami day (flash flooding everywhere) and we were looking for a bus terminal. We went in for shelter, and voila, free art show.

    No idea Lincoln's demographics include "weird art show enthusiasts". One display had a house made out of old luggage. Looked like a PanAm pile up. :D
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    edited September 2011
    Usually chips on the shoulder are only pointed out if they are offensive.

    Nah it doesn't offend me in the least.

    If I was making fun of a cheapo car or a skinflint owner, would it be so bad?

    IMHO, it would be just as bad.

    50% of the cars ostentatious poser objects? Nah. IMO, 90% of cars are some variation of a toaster or refrigerator.

    Perhaps 90% of the cars on the road are pedestrian but IMHO at least 50% of the models offered could be considered poseur objects. Any BMW/MB/Audi/Cadillac/et al SUV/CUV could fall into this category. The M/AMG/R/V nameplates are pretty much all bought to be look at me cars. King Ranch and Denali variants will never see the duty their underlying structure was designed for. Most hybrids, electrics and even diesels are bought for their smugness. Heck, my new Explorer could be considered a poseur - it screams "I've been driving a minivan for 10 years and am sick of it." My wife will readily admit it.

    IMO, outside of Camcords, stripped F150's and minivans all vehicles are bought for their ability to convey an image we want to have.

    People are free to buy what they like, and I am free to opine about said purchases, and they are free to opine about mine.

    That' fine. I just wish you would lay off the douchebagerry phrases. You seem like a pretty smart person - your words sometimes lend themselves to a "better than thou" image.

    No harm intended and no foul received.

    As for what I spotted this morning - Ford F150 HD Edition.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I like the image portrayed when I have my canoe on top of my minivan. Drove it 6,500 miles last month and only paddled 3 times. But I really looked like an adventure dude. :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    fin is funny because he calls 'em douches, and then buys that same car used.

    It's a Paradox: the anti-snob badge snob.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Maybe you should change your member name to "slidingdoor"?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I would, but I was told if you change your handle it drops the "date joined" field, and I'm an old-timer here.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Lincoln has demographics? ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Awful lot of verbiage for not being upset. But whatever. If you don't like my style, see the word "fintail", and move your eyes down a few inches past my posts . It's really easy ;)

    I don't think 50% of the cars sold are useless highline SUV/CUV and prestige cars. Camcords and Civrollas are the majority (well, I guess we can throw Elantnatas into that too), and they don't offend at all - they are just transportation pods. Even soft roaders of the same ilk, no reaction. I don't see the Explorer as really being a poser, it's just a family bus. But I live in an area where there are plenty of trust fund/satellite children [non-permissible content removed] tooling around (that works on a few levels :P ) in new M3s, X6s, and so on. I call it as I see it. And as the socio-economic chasm continues to divide, the ostentation will only become louder.

    I'm in economically depressed podunk right now, so any car built after Dubya came into office is a "new" car here.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    AMG E-class is too boring looking to really be douchey, and it attracts a more conservartive looking crowd. They sold only a handful when my car was made, and most go to enthusiasts as a poser isn't going to maintain such a boring looking thing. C63 attracts some sketchy 19 year old imported money, the larger cars get crooked CEO types. But BMW and Audi seem to be much more attractive to the demographic, not to mention things like Bentley, Maserati etc. Not that 100% of customers will fall into my stereotypes, but, well...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You've been watching too much Top Gear.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Nah, too much time around new or unearned money. I am jaded, I won't deny it.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384
    was heading out at 8:30 Friday morning for a trip, and passed at a light a nice red recent version (don't ask me which!) Ferrari. I see stuff on occasion like that in my town, as there are some high end houses, and quite a few (philly) pro athletes live here.

    Had a middle age guy and (I presume) his wife (same age, no trophy!).

    Neat car, and I got a laugh when it pulled in behind us when we stopped at dunkin donuts; we went inside, he got on the drive through line. Just a weird thing to see.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Saw a new unplated A7 going north on 405 around 11 this morning. Was going about 53 in the left lane of a 60, I won't stereotype the driver as not to offend the sensitive, but locals can probably wager a couple guesses. It finally moved over when an Accord behind it flashed it several times (I was a few cars back). A new car and an inconsiderate driver all in one, yay!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bright lime green metallic, so you can't miss it from a mile away.

    Kids just about freaked out - they loved it. I told them to stay in school if they ever hope to afford one. ;)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Saw a new style CLS63 this morning, appeared to be wearing some kind of out of state dealer or manufacturer plates, so likely not driven by a usual suspect.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    Spotted a new ML on the way home from work last evening. Nice updates, looks more "planted" to me than the last one, especially the 350 with the base wheels.

    Also spotted a gorgeous new SLK, man that thing looks good... It has now bumped itself up to my new favorite roadster in the class ahead of the new Z3.

    Then there is the usual flock of new Sonatas and Optimas, but I spotted both in hybrid form (2 Sonatas actually) last night.

    Also the 500 is wildly popular where I live, those things are all over the place as well, might even be more popular than the new JGC by now...

    Lastly, not a new car, but a nice "Carbeque" engulfed the front end of a late model Pontiac Bonneville SSEi that held up traffic for miles. Most likely the supercharger recall from 2008...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Just saw a Fiat 500, yellow, non rental...and an annoying new Optima, with the fakey panoramic sunroof "look" (black painted roof but no pano)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You think that's what they were going for?

    I think they just wanted a different roof color a-la MINI or Ford Flex.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Nah, I don't see it, runs inside the rails just like what became trendy starting with the W211. I have seen many cars of different makes with black painted roofs made to simulate a pano setup.

    Of course, a Korean maker couldn't be putting on false pretenses ;)
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I guess I won't see you dating Paris Hilton anytime soon, even if she called you up and offered to pay for everything.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You sure they're not aping the M3's CF roof?

    I've seen pretty good painted imitations.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    She's wrecked too many Benzes... :lemon:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    edited September 2011
    Does the cf roof have a sunroof? Different trend there, and I think Kia is trying to ape Euro luxo-sedan trendiness rather than tuned coupe trendiness. I am pretty sure this is also just black paint, no fake cf texture.

    I have seen faux pano treatments on all kinds of W210s and W211s, W220s, and on more than on one A6 and old A8 as well...hey, an Audi, what a coincidence.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Maybe if I could get some kind of prenup-style agreement that lets me cash in...otherwise, there's not enough disinfectant out there to get that out of the seats :shades:
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,108
    "I have seen faux pano treatments on all kinds of W210s and W211s, W220s, and on more than on one A6 and old A8 as well...hey, an Audi, what a coincidence. "

    What's next?
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    That's not a faux pano, although that greenhouse sure wants to be a MB W114/115 ;)
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