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  • iwant12iwant12 Member Posts: 269
    They sure are proud of that Citadel. Drove the Explorer, didn't like it much as far as driving enjoyment. Got my '11 Larado 4X4 for 32K and have been more than happy. Got the base 4X4, which is actually AWD. It sure handles well in the twisties!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    edited December 2011
    It's not my thing, but if I was looking for a boat for a larger family, it would be on my list. I've also experienced a loaded 01 Durango, and this new one is from a different world. The new one I drove was moderately equipped - no leather or nav, but it did have a roof and a V8. I think MSRP was something like 38K.

    I also saw a new CRV today, and another new C coupe with another 60-something male driver...maybe it will have this demographic.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I saw one of the new CRV's on Friday. The rear is a bit bulbous - reminds me of Marvin the Martian's helmet. But overall, it's not horrible.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,765
    Saw a fiat 500 drop top today. White with maroon top. Had plates and was quite filthy so they've obviously been driving it at least a little while.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    How to wash your car with only one bucket of water
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    Saw a new style Yaris sedan today. I see the French influence. It's a car!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I can imagine the insurance claim - for flood damage! :D
  • iwant12iwant12 Member Posts: 269
    Going out to the lake yesterday I spotted a new Hyundai Veloster, in white. Kinda reminds me of an old Honda CRX. I'm on the fence with the styling but at least Hyundai's thinking outside the box. I do like the centrally located exhaust pipes! Nice touch.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Our friends also have a new Durango Citadel. They replaced their MB GL Class with it. My firend says space is about the same and the Durango feels more powerful. Overall he's impressed. A few months ago about 6 of us guys went out and took the Durango. With 6 of us in the car (about 200lbs each) the car had no trouble at all with getting up to speed, and was quite comfortable.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Pentastar or V8? It's heavy, so I bet he had the V8.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I suspect all Citadels are V8...or so I would hope, for the money.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    And spec for spec, it is probably 40% cheaper - but it won't impress the women at the cosmetic maintenance facility :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Wow, surprisingly not! Per Edmunds, 2012:

    Citadel

    3.6L V6 flex-fuel or 5.7L V8 engine
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    My friend's has the Hemi V8. And it actually impressed my wife quite a bit and his wife loves it too.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I wonder if any will be built that way. Base engine with top spec. Even the middling spec one I drove had the V8.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Very likely Dodges makes 'em all V8s. Standard V6 allows them to advertise a lower (bogus) base price.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    edited December 2011
    You'll get the one-off with a base engine that someone custom ordered that will be unsellable.

    We ran across top spec base engine models before when I worked at Chrysler and nobody wanted them. Especially when it comes to a big SUV.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    edited December 2011
    That sounds right - Mr Loaded will be the one to want everything, and if he is a used buyer, an engine with 25% less cylinders won't make him smile, so it will be a dust collector on the lot.

    I wonder if offering a smaller engine in every trim line helps mpg claims too.

    Today's newbie sighting - new nose Tiguan.
  • iwant12iwant12 Member Posts: 269
    I've got the Pentastar in my Grand Cherokee and acceleration is just a tad bit more than what I would call adequate. I know the Durango weighs a bit more. At the pump, I get a consistant 21 mpgs, and that's 70% highway. Going to Utah this last summer, we recorded 24 MPG on more than one fillup. Comfort and driveability more than make up for lack of power compared to the 4Runner I had before. Hadn't purchased a domestic since '98. So far, happy with the Jeep!
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    But the glass company next door has replaced their fleet of Econoline and Chevy workvans (whatever they are called) with a fleet of those new Nissan workvans (6 of them).

    Also got two co-workers who picked up new Camrys this week, one XLS and another an SE. One trade was a Buick Lacrosse and the other an older Ford 500.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    In the garage at work. What's with the blue transluscent grille?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2011
    Do those Nissan vans look a lot bigger in real life than the Transit Connect? From the pics I've seen, they look like they may be as big as Sprinters.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    They are closer to a Sprinter than a Transit, for sure. Local dealer always has about 10 laying around.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    The Nissan vans are full sizers, whereas the Transit Connect is like a mid size car with a van box mounted behind the b pillar. I like the Transit Connect euro design though. It works well for small businesses as not everyone needs a full size van that's a pig on gas.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We need more smaller boxes around here. But I want a Transit Connect with a 5 speed. :shades:
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...white Fiat 500C with a maroon top on Hartel and Rising Sun Avenue in NE Philly.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited December 2011
    As others have noted, they are definitely larger than the Transit. They might even be a smidge larger than their domestic (Mexican?) Replacements.

    They're certainly not pretty by any means, they are definitely function over form, right down to the squared off haunches instead of the rounded over ones on the others.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    That's more Ford Flexy - the pics I had seen had the tall roof added on. Probably a better highway runner than the Transit Connect.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I saw, of all crazy things, a Fisker Karma in traffic today. It's different.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Wow, already in Seattle? There can't be too many of them around yet.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    Driving in Bellevue just a few blocks from where I lived. I even exclaimed the name of the car as it drove by (turning left in front of me as I was at a light) - even though I was alone in the car.

    There's also a Tesla dealer in the mall not far from here.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    edited January 2012
    Went out and browsed at a couple lots today, killing time on a nice warm day. Saw a couple Scion iQ - these look much better proportioned than a Smart, but still kind of dopey. One had no price, the other was decked out with bric-a-brac and had an MSRP of about 20K. Seems a little dear. Toyota dealer already had a CPO 12 Camry too.

    Also saw a couple Evoque, 4 door models - somehow I don't mind these as they are so rakish (yet insanely impractical), both were loaded up and had MSRP around 55K. No thanks - metal look grille is even plastic. Nothing remarkable at MB, BMW, Lexus, VW, Subaru dealers.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    still kind of dopey

    I pity the person in charge of designing such small cars. Tough work.

    CPO 12 Camry

    Press fleet? Stay away from those given the abuse they take.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    C coupe this AM, about the 3rd one I've seen.

    Also an appliance-white Prius V.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    Luckily for them, those who want tiny cars will think they are cute. 20K though, tough pill to swallow.

    This Camry was loaded, had 3K miles on it - they still wanted ~30K for it. Maybe a demo or something.

    This morning saw a C coupe as well, a base model Camry, and a dirty black Evoque.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    20k is insane money for that. Even with an Aston Martin logo. ;)

    They priced it higher than the Yaris, but I guess marketing thinks they can still sell them. ForTwo set the bar real low.

    Evoque is winning awards left and right, but that's a head-scratcher to me. $44k for a boutique soft roader with a Focus engine?

    Then again, it will sell well, just watch.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    If the Cygnet was 20K, they'd sell every one and then some. We've devolved even further to a thoughtless status addicted society, and Aston is a darling of ostentatious new money.

    44K is also a base Evoque - from what I have seen, good luck finding one. Average MSRP at the local dealer was closer to 55K.

    Of course it will sell well - something sportier for the RX crowd who wants to be different.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My friend has a Range Rover Sport and they wanted $3 grand for tires and brakes, at just 22k miles. :sick:

    I don't think the Evoque's success will be sustainable. First time they realize they have to spend that kind of money to put new tires on those Dubs they'll bail like there's a fire drill at the Land Rover dealer. Resale will drop, and we'll see a death spiral in 2-3 years.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I hope your friend regrets their choice :shades: ...just had to pose, didn't they.

    Evoque could end up being little more than a new century Freelander. Resale on Rovers is like day old bread to begin with.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    No Rover could be as bad as a Freelander.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I think it will be succesful. I don't think it's meant to be an entry level Range Rover but rather a premium small soft roader for those who want the newest with most gadgets, but without the size. At least I think it will be a hit here in the Vancouver area.

    Now don't get me wrong, I don't work for Land Rover so I could care less whether it will do well or not, but from working in the ultra luxury car market for the past 6 months I see what clients spend their money on, and many who are very well off will not hesitate blowing this kind of coin on this kind of car. And because of who is buying these cars, I don't see maintenance being an issue either.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    The Vancouver market is kind of something in itself, with all of the new resident kinda sketchy new rich.

    I do think it will sell to the wifey RX/ML etc kind of market.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Haha, no doubt.

    When working at my previou dealership, we had a client who bought a used Freelander that had nothing but issues. After we sunk money into it to fix some of the things, he still had issues with it.

    He came by about 6 months later to get it appraised to get into something else. I took the vehicle for a quick appraisal drive and came back telling him what it was worth. He flipped and stormed out. He got into his Freelander and couldn't start it even though I just drove it 10 minutes earlier. He stormed back in asking me what I did to his Freelander and why it wasn't starting. Last thing I needed was in irate customer stuck here with a car that he thought I broke. Luckily one of the techs played with the ignition for about 10 minutes and got it running again. :lemon:

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That's exactly who I think will be buying these, wifey kinda car. Add to that the fact that Victoria Beckham had a hand in marketing it (they say she helped "design" it, but that's up for interpretation) and you will see many housewives driving these in ritzy neighbourhoods.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,549
    edited January 2012
    I think they'll have a hard time moving it... Freelanders sold, because they threw cash at them and got the transaction price down between $26K-$32K (admittedly, this was a few years ago...)

    LR2s never sold... even in the mid-high '30s, no one was picking them over X3s....

    You can get a pretty well-equipped X3 2.8 for around $45K... a loaded X3 turbo with 300 HP or a maxed out Q5 for $50K... Most Range Rover buyers don't like going down-market for a cheaper model.... and, they've given up completely on the Land Rover crowd...

    I predict they will be as common as an Isuzu Axiom or VehiCross... :surprise:

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited January 2012
    To defend my buddy - at least he really uses the 4WD on sand. He's got an annual pass to the Deleware shore, and actually does get out there regularly.

    So not a poseur. I think Land Rover chased him there to get photos for the brochure, though, since he's the only one who uses it as intended! :D
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    Drives a British car on a saltwater beach? More money than sense, then :shades:

    I don't know if any real die hard off roader drives a RR Sport - it's kind of a realtor/lawyer/trust funder/kept housewife car, in my eyes. Once they get past the well heeled original owner that boomchek mentions, they also depreciate swiftly (I can get a first year supercharged Sport for under 30K), suggesting they are not easy to maintain.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure it will last one day beyond the rust perforation warranty. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Saw my first don't-say-New Beetle, all black, yesterday.

    I dunno. If it doesn't appeal to girly girls, who's gonna buy it?

    Also saw another Veloster, and a silver Camry LE.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    Same here, first 2012 Beetle yesterday. Articles talk about how it's so different, but I don't see it. Mild styling refresh to me.
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