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True. The intakes on the Coupe do reduce the visual mass of the front bumper. But I kinda like the forward slant of the Sedan's chin. It's unique.
To be honest I think stripped models like the DX don't belong in the lineup at all, it cheapens Honda's image too much. I would drop it, perhaps with the Fit arrives, that would make sense because the Fit could occupy that price slot.
Let me see the sedan in person, you guys sound pretty persuasive, maybe I'll like it more. LOL
Good pics, I guess what I don't like is that wide chrome strip on the sedan's grille, I hate chrome in general.
The coupe's thin strip looks sharper. I also prefer how the bumper merges with the grille on the coupe, especially how the lights have that kink towards the middle. It gives it just a little more character, just enough not to be boring.
-juice
Plus the good news is all models get the 140hp engine, that's a huge step up for the DX and LX.
Timing is pretty good with current gas prices. If my wife wanted one, honestly, at this point I'd encourage her. It's painful to see these prices. :sick:
Hopefully it will mean fewer behemoths on the roads, maybe less traffic in general.
-juice
I don't understand how they could let the mileage for the stick shift go DOWN, even though I applaud the 40 mpg rating for the auto. I am reminded of my '02 Celica though, which had the same power and torque, weighed 200 pounds less than this Civic, and still did worse for mileage. So technology IS moving forward...
I am curious to see what the new Toyota Yaris (Echo replacement) will finally be like when it arrives in the spring. Honda and Toyota are setting up to go head to head on a third model next year: Yaris vs Fit. *rubs hands together in anticipation*
It is possible that what they have done with the '06 Civic DX bodes ill for what corners they will cut in the Fit. Of course, Yaris will be coming from the company that makes everything optional, not standard, on less expensive models, so maybe they will match up in spec.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The Saturn is better proportioned in the front.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I had been thinking about checking out an Accord coupe the next time I get a new(er) car, but with the way gas prices are going, and presuming I can fit comfortably in one, I might check out the Civic!
FWIW, I think the current Civic coupe is a good looking car. I only wish I fit better in it.
A very efficient one.
-juice
Funny too, how now that Chrysler is abandoning Cab Forward, Honda seems to be picking it up!
I'd forgotten that term. That's the look with foreshortening of the whole front end!
>Roofline makes me think a bit of a Corolla
It has a Corolla look--sort of like they emulated the Beetle's circle appearance for the roof to give a look of strength.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That's actually something I hated about the Mazda3. The extremely short decklid made the trunk opening a pain to use. You can't drop things down into the trunk. You have to slide them in from behind.
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Bingo, that's one thing I like better about the coupe.
The C-pillar on the sedan is just kinda blah, the Mazda3's has a little kink it in to break up the monotony.
-juice
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Juice - The thing I prefer about the Mazda3 is that the bumper wraps around the sides. The Civic's doesn't.
In fact both remind me of the G35 sedan, another sedan with a too-busy trunk.
Clean it up like the coupe, which looks sleek and, dare I say, sexy?
-juice
Second one is like a bad acid trip. Of course how would I know, I've never tried acid.
Third one is OK, reminds me a little of the Inifinit Q ads with the trees and no cars in sight, until about half way, then you see the car in some backgrounds.
-juice
The wipers do look interesting. Are the blades 3 feet long? It looks like both wipers rest in the center just like Chryslers newer minivans.
-juice
And sales in Canada perked up quite a bit. They squeeked past Ford.
So much for the naysayers, Ridgeline sales are on target.
-juice
The Honda RL (Ridgeline) was targeted for about 50,000 units in the first year. If sales continue to average ~3,700 per month, they should sell about 45,000.
But I think they'll do slightly better than that. Sales picked up when Honda began producing the base models (initial allotments were for the loaded vehicles only). And dealers have stopped gouging. This was the first month sales passed the 4K mark (4,308 units). If they continue at August's rate, they will end a 12 month cycle with 48,322 units sold - just shy of the mark.
Bob
the 'si is another 'struck out swinging'. just plain redo of the saturn coupe. ok, they added a rear wing. interior is better too. i do like the what i have seen of the sedan, though. maybe it's my age.
Honda, like any company, sets sales targets with the expectation of making some money at the goals they set. So one can then assume, if they are meeting their sales goals, or are close to them, that they are making money.
Bob
I think Honda pulled a Pacific with this one. They started out with too much content and the truck earned a reputation for being expensive. It'll take a while (and some discounting) to get sales where they belong.
In fact, when I look at no-haggle dealerships, the margins on the loaded-up models are actually higher, implying that demand is greater and people are more willing to pay a markup for those.
I think I've only seen 2 Pilots LXs in my life. Look for the steelies. They are extremely rare around here.
Of course people could be changing the rims on them.
-juice
If they continue at their current sales pace, they'll come very close to their initial goal. If they continue at the average rate since March, they'll come within 5K units of their goal.
varmint, "Has Honda's run - run out?" #5659, 2 Sep 2005 5:24 pm
Bob
Yeah, but the markets for the Ody and Pilot are more family-oriented. The truck market is oriented more toward fleet sales and individuals.
Vehicles like the 1999 Ody, the Highlander, and a few others set the expectation for higher prices in their segments. The current buyers expect that kind of pricing because they get what they are paying for. The same is true for the Ridgeline (it's a relative bargain for all the stuff you get), but the market hasn't reached the point where they expect all that extra stuff. It'll take time.
Subaru missed with early Baja forecasts, and a whole lot worse. They thought compact pickup buyers wanted standard leather and moonroof with a tiny bed and interior. They've sold about 6 of them.
-juice
I think Honda was smart to target the (smaller) portion of the market looking for a recreational truck. It is a growing segment and one that matches Honda's strengths. But they may either be ahead of the curve - in the next few years, Honda will be the company that got in on the ground floor - or the curve has plateau'd and Honda has over-estimated the potential for growth.
Boy is that ever true! The local Honda dealer had a Ridgeline on the showroom floor, loaded with just about every dealer-installed option possible. It stickered at over $43K! Is this dealer nuts, or what? Think that $43K might have scared off a few customers?
Bob
-juice
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Than again, I could be wrong (first time for everything)!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Bob
Bob
The SE splits the difference between the former LX and EX, with everything but the moonroof from the old EX, for $22,xxx sticker. Is that quite a bit? I think it might be in the context of Camry/Altima (and maybe Fusion? but then, that will be smaller). The VP, which looks tacky with those 15" rims with cheap wheel covers, runs $19,5. Quite a bit, but then all the safety equipment is standard. Power is up to 166 hp.
It appears that the revised steering and suspension settings for the Accord V-6 will follow over to the '06 TL as well, judging from the article linked above. I wonder if the difference is noticeable to the average Joe...
My dealer has a lot of Elements just sitting around, some for several months now, and I noticed that two sitting side by side (4WD EXs with stick shifts, what a miracle) had different prices. It appears Honda has raised the price some $800 fairly recently? That is a hefty jump, on a $21K sticker.
It is very disappointing that the Accord manual gets 26/34 and the exact same engine and 5-speed manual only gets 21/24 in a 2WD Element. What gives? Yes, the Element has a higher profile and a couple hundred more pounds on it, but that is 20-30% lower.
I was looking at a 4WD Tacoma XtraCab tonight - 4-cyl stick shift - rated 19/23, weighing a few hundred pounds more and having more torque and a full-on truck-type 4WD system with a 4LO transfer case. Makes me wonder. Honda could pull in some more sales in these times of high gas prices if it could boost those numbers on the Element (and CRV) some.
OK, enough rambling from me! :-)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
If anywhere, these are cars (i.e. CRV, Element, not S2000), where diesel engines would make a lot of sense, even in the US, as long as no strip racer is expected.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
On the Element ... what colors were the 4WD EX 5-speeds you saw? Gee still has a soft spot for the Elements and occasionally talks about buying one.
The Element is probably geared differently than the Accord. The boxy shape, gearing, and heft probably account for the MPG difference.