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Also a question/observation about fuel. I noticed my mpg increased .5-1.0 when I fill up with 47 centane diesel(previous fillups 40 centane),plus engine is definitely quieter with less cackle/rattle. This seems to be worth the .02 difference in cost. Current mileage is 14.0-14.5,all city,'00 F250 Lariat, PSD 4x4,auto,3.73LS,CC,SRW
Don't mean to put anyone on the spot, just showin' my ignorance. :-)
Ron
The cetane number is the performance rating of a
diesel fuel,expressed as the percentage of cetane that must be mixed with methylnapthalene to produce the same ignition performance as the diesel fuel being rated.(Cetane is a colorless
liquid,C16H34,used as a solvent in standardized hydrocarbons- from Latin "cetus"=whale...so called
because it belongs to a series of compounds found in sperm whale oil).
Octane number for you gassers-a numerical measure of antiknock properties of motor fuel based on the
percentage by volume of isooctane in standard reference fuel. For example, a motor fuel that produces the same degree of knocking as a standard reference fuel containing 90% isooctane has an octane number of 90. Now you're ready for
"Who Wants to be a Millionaire"
Bob
VOPC - just curious - do we really believe that Ford Motor Company isn't aware of this forum and that there is a whole host of us diehards using the VOPC (automated portion only of course)? If I were them I'd be checking out all these forums to see what the consumers are talking about. I would be shocked if they were not checking in and gauging what the buzz is. Very tempting to call and talk to the horses mouth (I haven't). Actually my dealer is complaining that the VOPC is so screwed up that the info is unreliable. As we all know, that is true to a great extent.
I'm starting to consider changing over to the PSD from the V10. Just have to figure out which bank to rob on the way home.
Based on a previous post on the Ford Class IV hitch (I'm sorry I don't remember by whom), I am changing mine to delete it. I don't want to be restricted to having to use the equalizer hitch. Since I am still clean and unscheduled, why not!
Crazyelvis, 1048%! That's amazing. Another year or two at the pace and it would be "retirement here I come" for me. That puts my tech fund to shame, but it closed the year at 100.99%, so I can't complain. I've got about 70% in a tech fund and the other 30% in a S&P 500 indexed fund.
mainegirl,
I'd drive them both and figure out which one you like the best. Normally, most people would recommend the PSD if you're doing nothing but towing. However, it sounds like your trips might be short and they won't be through mountains or at altitudes, so that eliminates some of the advantages of the extra torque.
You'll pay more for the diesel up front and you'll pay more for routine oil changes, but you should get more on resale and you'll pay more at the pump with the V-10. The PSD should get 5-6 better mpg empty and 2-3 better towing. Many people have calculated the break even point on a purely financial basis between the two engines and it comes out to anywhere between 80,000 and 180,000 miles. By the way, my younger brother is a captain in the Army. He and his family moved ot Bangor in June where he is teaching ROTC at the University of Maine.
Just a question to toss out there that I was thinking about recently. What kind of impact does anyone think the introduction of the next generation PSD by Ford in a couple of years will have on the resale value of the current PSDs? The new PSDs are rumored to be a 6.0L with 305hp and 550 torque and are allegedly going to shave some serious time off the 0-60 run. They are also suppose to weigh several hundred pounds less which will increase the tow rating by about 500 pounds. Does anyone think that will have any kind of serious impact on the resale value? I wasn't very knowledgable about diesels when they first became turbo diesels, so I don't know what kind of impact that had on the resale of the older, non-turbo models, if any. If it did, will it be similar? In the gas arena, I suspect the introduction of the V-10 will have an impact on the resale of the trucks with the 460 since the V-10s are more powerful with better mpg. Then again, I still think a V-12 is in the Ford future that might do the same for the V-10.
The $160 dealer prep I'm not paying (that is a dealer charge, not corporate).
You are right, KBB and Edmunds invoice pricing should be the same but their pricing web pages don't list all the things that may show up on your VOC (like FDAF and gas). I saw mention of advertising fees etc, but nowhere that indicates where that charge may be assessed. I also don't recall seeing gas and FDAF on the sticker on the window either
The Drawtite Ultra (and other similar brand models) have a much thicker plate mat'l and more welds. The drawbar square part is solid shank and very heavy.
I didn't want a hitch that was rated for only half of what the truck is capable of!
Your configuration sounds a lot like mine. I ordered it on October 01, 1999 -- just took delivery last night.
250SD
V10 Lariat 4X4
manual
short box
crew cab
3.73 ratio
I don't think you can get LS on 3.73 with manual transmission (I tried and failed), you can only get it with 3.73 automatic.
Delivery time was too long if you ask me, but well worth the wait -- the truck is awesome.
qmeister -- Re: Cap
Just read that you're getting a cap. Which manufacturer? Clamp on? Bolt on? I've looked at a million different versions on paper, but haven't been able to see/touch one in real life. What was your selection criteria? I really need help selecting a cap. Thanks for any assist.
Any other suggestions on brush guards? I picked Smittybilt because they have one-piece construction and they have a stainless steel model.
Thanks for the help.
If you pulled a regular size travel trailer..smaller than a 5th wheel....the cost diff. would even out when you pulled the trailer 86,000 miles.
I think Brutus commented about this article...I could be mistaken and it might have been someone else.....
Hey....100% is pretty good on the tech fund...and the S&P fund should have done between 14 and 17%...thats not bad either.....with the way we are going so far this year I'm kinda worried...but we are only 6 days into the year. The 1048% was obtained by buying into about 6 individual stocks....kinda making up my own mutual fund......I think I may not do the same this year...I have a feeling things aren't going to go so smoothly....all the Y2K hysteria over and everything......oh well......
New Topic....Super Duty Wall Street Wrap Up!!!
I think the S&P 500 did around 20% last year, which is fine by me. Still, it would have been nice to have invested in Cisco or Qualcom a couple years ago. I'd probably be retired and down in your neck of the woods this time of year swapping Superduty stories with you and Lewac et al......
1.Supposedly several of the manufacturers have been having problems with their clamps on superduties, I think the more rugged use caused the clamps to work loose and the cap to move around the truck bed.
2.The Shurtop actually laps over the truck bed slightly hiding the plastic rail cap. Looks more like the cap and truck are one piece.
3.Shurtop provides a rubber gasket between the rear cab window and the truck cap. There is no window on the front of the cap itself. This eliminates any problems with not being able to clean the rear windows when they get full of road dust.
4.The base cost of the A.R.E. was less, but by the time I added the additional windows, etc, the cost was within $150 +/-.
The cap I purchased was an Excalibur by Shurtop, it is clamped on, and was painted Bright Amber to match my truck. It was put on yesterday and so far I love it. Also with the high profile cap I have a lot more visibility out my rear view mirror. Another thing, it makes this truck look huge! It sits another 6" higher than the cab of the truck. A friend of mine with a '98 F-150 4wd
short bed calls it my armored personnel carrier.
If I had more hair I'd be pulling it out.
sangerpl-
Your info on the "class IV" hitch from Ford was invaluable. My load is really precious to me, and I would never have looked at the rating on their hitch if you hadn't pointed that out. I looked at it in their trailering guide last night, and saw that you need stabilizers to get about a 5000# rating. Yeah, I'm going to drive a beefy F250 around with stabilizer bars! No thanks.
Brutus-
I was in Bangor today! The dealer I am working with (Whited Ford) is located there. It's about an hour away from where I live on the coast. I hope your brother is not a winter sports enthusiast as we haven't had a drop of snow all winter here.
And finally...I am presently, and have been for the past seven years, been hauling with a '93 F150 SC 5.8L auto 4X4 with a regular 3.55 axle (I only just looked this all up two days ago-you'd think I would have done all this research the LAST time I bought a truck), and really have not had any problems. I did just upgrade to a 7000# trailer in the last year. Will I get way better gas mileage from the V10 because it is an overhead cam engine? My dealer told me this, and I need varification...Night all!
As far as wait times, there are several factors at work:
a. on average V10's seem to be a little slower comming off the line. This makes dealer allotments even more important.
b. Dealer allotments. They change monthly, and are unique for each dealer.. Allotments are based on previous sales of that dealer for particular configurations. There are allotment categories for many aspects, CC, Lariat, Dually, V8, V10, PSD etc..
So, if a dealer has a low CC allotment, this could slow things down as well..
The factory can/often do build trucks for dealers even if it is over that dealers allotment, however, when parts start getting constrained, the factory will build for those dealers who are within their allotments first.
c. I've noticed that most Dealers (even small ones) tend to have PSD's on the lot, so they also have good PSD allotments.
It is my opinion that the reason dealers do this is because the dealer makes more money selling a PSD than not (at least $138 in holdback alone).
Here is a real world example of allotments in action:
A local dealer is alloted 12 SD's a month.
The SD v10 allotment for this dealer was 3%.
ie, only 3% of their monthly allotment could be a V10.. BUT! for us mathmatically challenged, 3% of 12 is less than 1. So it would be 2 months before this dealer would even have an allotment slot available for 1 V10. This dealer told me it would be at least 16 to 20 weeks maybe more to get the truck if I ordered the V10..
btw, same dealer had 87% allotment for PSD.
On the positive side, they're great trucks and worth the wait..
Y2K F250 XLT 4x2 SC, 5.4L, 5sp, 4.10LS
it's now been a couple of weeks since our last vopc change (shipped via rail as of 12/26). can't really believe that it takes 12 days to get from the factory & Tampa, FL rail head (approx 800 miles). unreal.
on the delayed build dates. I believe that the "problem" is not so much with the v10 option as it is with the "Lariat" package. think about it. we've seen very, very few Lariat's on the road or at the dealer (at least in our area here in West Palm Beach). They build 10,000 trucks a week... but how many are Lariat's? maybe 5-10%? so they run part of one day to build ALL the Lariat's allocated for that week. It also seems that the one's waiting the longest have ordered the Lariat trim level (like us). or maybe it's the combo of Lariat/v10... but we've ordered the psd with manual tranny. that config ought to have been built quite quickly (the dealer had the allocation)... but the truck was not actually built until almost 2 months after the order date. ford-diesel.com gets into this pretty heavily in their faq's so it's worth having a look over there. there are a LOT of issues that affect actually WHEN your truck gets built (even after it has been scheduled). now, once you GET the thing built the next "challenge" is: when are you going to actually "see" it? Our truck was built 11/27 & it may STILL be a couple of weeks away!!!... and we certainly do NOT live in Antarctica so where in hell could it be?
crazyelvis... nothing new since last update from Ken. as mentioned, no vopc change indicating that the truck was at the yard... but I find it very difficult to believe that the truck is not there yet... the vopc, in my opinion is one big POS that could use an overhaul. will call Ken Monday (if we don't hear b4hand).
oh. hang in there on that NASDAQ, everyone.... nothing's changed in the past few days within the tech sector that supports a downturn. profit taking off the big runup at year's end. my .02.
Near the top, right underneath the dealer number and the name of your dealer there is a line that starts with the word "BODY":
BODY XXX BEGIN ORD YYYY # UNITS 001
XXX = body code and YYYY = order number
On my DORA I also see the dealer number, body code and order number in a vertical column to the right of the paragraph which starts with "THIS IS NOT AN INVOICE.".
I sometimes see folks post the personalized license plates for their SuperDuties, and I thought it might be kinda fun to collect a few of these up in one place.
So how about it? Anyone have or seen a personalized plate that they would like to share?
A couple that I have come across that I liked:
1. T-RED (from a story on ford-diesel.com)
2. I8A RAM (from this forum I think)
3. BUGCRSHR
Any others?
I sometimes see folks post the personalized license plates for their SuperDuties, and I thought it might be kinda fun to collect a few of these up in one place.
So how about it? Anyone have or seen a personalized plate that they would like to share?
A couple that I have come across that I liked:
1. T-RED (from a story on ford-diesel.com)
2. I8A RAM (from this forum I think)
3. BUGCRSHR
Any others?
Sounds as though your decision is made, and it sounds like the V-10. The wait will be a long one if you order, mine in 99 was 4 months.
The LS will help with not tearing up as much turf when you are getting in and out of your comps. But you will have 4WD which should do the job.
You have been hauling the new trailer with a 351 and 3.55 axle so the V-10 and the 3.73 will certainly seem like a big step up, and you will see better milege on your longer trips during the summers than a 4.10 or the 4.30.
With risking stepping on toes, a 7000lb trailer plus horses, which I assume would bring the loaded weight up to at least 10,000, those jumpers and crosscountry horses are not small ponies, the 10 miles should warm the PSD to operating temps.
regarding your hitch questions, I think that you care as much for you four legged parts of the family as we do, so I would go to the RV shop you can trust and have them recommend and install your hitch. My apologies to Rv and boat people, but insurance can replace a thing, nothing can replace a friend you can trust in a tight situation.
Have fun and enjoy your new truck
Cowpokes
I'll be a bit sad to finally get my truck because it has been such a pleasure finding a bunch of "big brothers" to talk to. I'm sure I'll be picking your brains a bit more in the near future though. Thanks again.
You folks can start laughing now!
Does any one or has anyone ordered a set of TT-mirrors for a 99SD?
I need to replace one of my mirrors, A 1300lb dog scratching herself on your mirror can make them a little tough to see out of.
I would love to get the 2000 TT-Mirrors that extend, has anyone had any experience with swapping the 99 TT-mirrors to 2000?
Thanks for any help.
Mainecowgirl:
I would never suggest that the 5.4l would be a good choice, the V-10 or PSD would be the only way I would go! Your longer trips over the summer would really be a little much with the heat, AC, and 10,000lbs of trailer and horses.
Off the track, what events do you compete in? With a big-un like that it sounds like a jumper?
Have fun
And thanks again for any help
Cowpokes
Warmer today, only 25 below. Cold coming back -- forecast -55 by Monday. Yee Haw.
northpole, we're over 20 above this morning with a chance of snow down here in the tropics of Anchorage.
Speaking of four legged creatures, the bulls appear to running again this morning.....
Mainecowgir: What an idea- You'll have a truck with 310 horses and 4 wheel drive pulling a 4 wheel trailer that has 2400 "foot pounds and eight on the floor!"
lewac: maybe your truck is stuck on one of those car trains with all the snow birds' Cadillacs. It's about that time down your way.
vanity plates: I loved that great response from baybear about the diesel ratings. I thought about switching from V10 to PSD so it might be faster to get, but then I also could get a vanity plate that said "Whalebrnr" (especially offensive to all my tree hugger buddies).
cowpokes: A 1300lb dog? Equinous caninous? My wife made me go back to the dealer last week and add the sliding rear glass to my CC so her 110# German Shepherd could have a cold nose in the A/C on those Georgia summer days and I thought I had problems. Don't want that 1300# dog near my tires.
Great dialogue folks. Makes the waiting fun if not just a little more bearable.
not to mention, the 100,000 mile warranty.
even the $100.00 deductible don't hurt much.
snow package, trailer package, class IV hitch.
Ordered at Nichols Ford, Fort Worth, Tx from Pam
Williams, paid invoice! They are a fleet dealer, and order 150 trucks a month. Was told 8 weeks. Believe it when I see it. Am moving up from Toyota 4x4. ext cab. Never could haul anything with the Toyota. Have read all of the info on v10, psd. Didn't want to wait for v10, don't want psd. Probably won't ever haul anything more than snowmobiles, small trailers for home construction. Am moving to colorado soon. Wanted something to get me and the snow out of the driveway and more than 2 people to the slopes. Didn't want to spend a fortune. Will be texas commuting most of the time until the move, which could be 1 to 2 years. Just wanted to get rid of the 150000 mile Toyota, and set myself up with a good foundation for mountain living. Any comments would be appreciated. P.S.
I do all of my shopping on the net.
Prepare for a few questions like: "Does it do it when you turn left, right, or both ways? When the truck is hot or cold? In traffic? On the highway? Bumpy roads? Smooth roads? Loaded? Empty? Etc.
My old F150's steering box broke a weld loose from the rail when it was brand new, but it only "clunked" when I wrapped it hard into a parking spot. It helped to get it fixed on the first visit, when I showed the service tech exactly where and when the noise occurred. Good luck.
Dave
Does anyone else have thoughts on the buying your truck at the place you will have it serviced idea? I know that isn't supposed to be an issue, but I think in reality they give you a harder time if you didn't buy the truck there.
Also I never heard back about the question I had concerning my present truck F150 with the 5.8L vs the new V10. My truck is an absolute gas hog, and the dealer told me that Ford switched to the overhead cam engines thus getting more power and mpg. Is this true? And will I get better mileage from the V10 than my present 5.8L or is that a foolish thought (lets assume 3.55/3.73 regular axle to keep things even between the two.)
cowpokes-Lets just forget about horses for a moment. I think we are all just a bit more than curious about this 1300# dog of yours. They do grow them big out in Wyo.!
Sorry I write about stupid stuff not pertaining to the SD topic....I just want to make this a down home friendly site where we can talk about our trucks and about anything else we want to blab about.
Lewac......I sent you back the email with the rail yard number and stuff.....hope it helps...let me/us know!!!
Ahhhhhhh the bulls were back in force today....feeling much better!!!
Last few tanks were right at 15mpg, my lowest thus far. (more city traffic than highway..)
I still have the light engine knocking during acceleration, but I've not had it in yet for the service folks to tell me its normal.. Maybe I get to this next week..
Y2K F250 XLT 4x2 SC, 5.4L, 5sp, 4.10LS, Oxford White, grey interior + options.
Dealers make good money on your service business. According to a friend who is in the car business (consults with dealers to make their parts department more efficient), dealers who know what they are doing make plenty of money on warranty work, even if it's not as much as they make on non-warranty work. Besides, Ford requires that they take on your warranty work.
The dealer I am going to use for servicing would not give me the price I wanted on my rig (his loss). This dealer sells and services plenty of SuperDuties, and I intend to give him my service business. The dealer I bought from is just too far away.
So, my feeling is that you should buy the truck wherever you can get the best deal, and then take the truck to the dealer that is most convenient for your service needs. If they hassle you, call the regional Ford rep. and let them know you are unhappy with the way you are being treated.