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I filled up last night and did a lot of stop & go today, computer saying mid 8's all day. I can only imagine what it would be if I was driving hard (and I wasn't).
And to address some of the negativity concerning my mpg post.
No, I did not buy the truck expecting good gas mileage, but I did expect better than I am getting. I'm driving empty, and have been as light footed as I can. Driving like this is no fun at all, but my only other option is 8 mpg.
I have a 99 vette, gets 26/27 on the highway at 70+, averages 20+ all the time and I can accelerate to 60 in about 5 sec without watching the mileage go down on the computer. I also have a 240hp turbo Volvo 850r that also averages 20+.
And no, I didn't buy them for economy either.
"As of Dec 22 your order is locked in to be built the week of December 20. ETA is the week of January 3."
The salesman I ordered from has moved on, and the new guy who is handling my order is telling me that the VIN has not been assigned, and the truck will be built in January. He seems a little evasive when I asked for the VIN. He supposedly checked CONCEPTS online to get his information.
Am I just getting the brushoff, or is there a possibility that something else strange is going on?
around here the delivery is about 4months
Royal Oak Michigan Area
If I had the 5.4L V-8 and your mileage, I would be very concerned, too. If I had those mileage numbers with my V-10 I'd be concerned. My mileage numbers read 8-10 for the first 500 miles, then they started increasing. I'm now getting 13 on mixed driving. I have found that, like Crazy Elvis, the trip computer figures about 2 tenths lower than my manual calculations.
Smithrl1 - If your vehicle is actually scheduled for build, it has a VIN#. Period. So if, as the salesman says, it doesn't have a VIN, then how would he know when it was scheduled to be built? If you were clean and unscheduled, it would be a different story. I would deal directly with the sales manager as opposed to a "salesman by default."
Sorry if I came off critical in my mpg discussion. It wasn't intended. I notice you live in Rhode Island. Is there any chance your state uses some kind of special winter fuel, maybe something with ethanol? I live in Anchorage and it's my understanding that we use some kind of winter fuel for environmental reasons. I took a 200 mile hwy roundtrip last week and got 1mpg less than when I took the same trip in late summer.
If you're only getting 8mpg empty, and there is no special fuel, there is likely something wrong. As you know, I've got the 4.30 axle ratio with a dually, V-10, and automatic transmission. I think we use winter fuel, but ignoring that, I let my truck idle for a minimum of 10 minutes each morning in the driveway to warm up the interior and de-ice the truck. I've also got 4wd engaged a high percentage of the time. Even with all of that, my mix of city/hwy is higher than 8 mpg.
In the summer, in 2wd and no morning idling, I'm getting 9-10mpg on that same commute, depending on my driving habits. I get 11.5-12 on the hwy running empty at 70mph. Alot of that is related to the dually 4x4 and 4.30 axle ratio.
In the summer, when I have my hevy slide-in cabover truck camper on, my rig weighs close to 12,000 pounds and I average 8.5-9 mpg hwy. When I occassionally keep the camper on the truck during the week, my morning commute is 7.5ish.
If I were you, I'd log a few more gas tanks and if things don't improve, I'd take it in and have it looked at. With that V-8, you should be pushing 15ish hwy and at least 11-13 in a city/hwy mix. There might really be something wrong.
Paul1, I'd wait to see if your mileage starts to inch up over the next 1000 miles or so. It should... After that if you're still getting the current numbers then I'd bet your "baby" needs some attention.
here's the way I see it: if a dealer is reputable & has 'nothin to "hide" they ought not have any problem with giving you the VIN (it's generally right on the DORA... but not always... ours came thru about a week later (a couple of weeks BEFORE we were scheduled, btw)). hope this helps.
first time try
www.foutzmotorsports.com
Brutus...stuff in the gas for the winter....what the hells that????!!!!! Just got a cool snap through today...temps in the mid 70's instead of low 80's!!! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
But I have to admitt....you do have some fantastic views up there!!
Lewac.....A couple of dozzen do-nuts go along way to getting the "rig" on the truck to the dealer...of coarse you are a "couple" of hours away from here.....probably about 3 1/2 I guess....so not as easy for you to pop in the rail yard as it was for me.....Well if you need the number and who to talk to...let me know.....You probably took down all that info when I was going through my "problem".....hope it comes soon...!!!!
On thread is under the 'superduty' and the other under 'engines'.
One person says their engines runs completly smooth sounding, (quote 'like a sewing machine').
Of course thats the sound comming from the engine cavity that I don't think is right.hehe.
Another person says 'some spark knock' is normal unless it does it all the time, then its bad for the engine.. Mine does it all the time I'm accelerating, does this count? I'm not sure.
Another person says his V10 makes the same sound, he compared it to his friends 99 V10, and it makes the same sound so he thinks its normal..
The cause for spark knock some say is because of poor fuel quality (winter mixes etc), or timing.
I'm planning on bringing it to the dealers attention in any case so I at least have it documented that somethings not quite as I expected.
What with all this mpg stuff my original related question was lost.
"at what minimum speed does your OD kick in?"
I really would like some input on this because I think mine may be ingaging late. Please provide truck specs also, thanks.
brutus, I had no problem with any of your comments, I always welcome your input. I was a little jerked with some other's comments regarding "should have bought a..." and stuff like that.
Also, it was bess, not you (my mistake), that posted 15.6 for his V8 in mixed driving, that's a big spread from my 10.5/11.0 in the same conditions. Had I known the V8 was that much better I would have considered it more.
I will admit though, if I had stuck to my original plan and only used the SD part time the mileage thing would not be an issue. My biggest problem is I can't stop driving the thing. Aside from the trip last week in the vette I haven't driven the vette at all, and the Volvo... I hope the battery isn't dead. (Not to knock the 850, it's a fine car)
On 12/1 I heard: As of 12/10, your vehicle is scheduled to be built week of 12/6 and be delivered week of 12/27. (This message stayed on VOPC until 12/13.)
On 12/13 I heard: As of 12/10, your vehicle has been shipped via rail.
On 12/15 I heard: As of 12/13, your unit has arrived at the ramp. (which is where the rail takes it to prior to shipping by truck)
It can be frustrating but this is better than anything we've had before for tracking a new vehicle.
Thanks!
The number of miles I'm putting on the truck dropped significantly when summer ended since I was no longer camping every week. I'm probably putting less than 1,000 miles per month on it right now, but I've got a little over 25,000 miles on the truck so far. From May to September, I was camping at least 2/3 of the weekends and the roundtrips were 250-600 miles, depending on where I went. I also made a trip from Dallas to Anchorage, pulling a 6x12 U-Haul 1/2 the way and hauling my camper in the bed the other half. That accounted for a good 5,000 miles. I get an 11 day break from work starting next Wednesday, I'll probably put the camper on and do an overnighter or two during the break. Time to test out that winter rating the camper supposedly has.
Thanks!
"I'm getting F350, CC, Lariat, V10, auto,
4x4, 3.73, LB, SRW, ESOF, trailer tow, hitch, 54E
power mirrors, and a few others. Ordered DORA
11/2, est delivery 1/10/00 but no change on VOPC,
still clean and unscheduled."
sdman configuration:
F250, CC, Lariat, PSD, auto, 4x4, SB, 3.73LS, ESOF, Trailer Tow, Hitch, Captains Chairs, CD, Sliding Rear Window. Ordered 12/8, as of 12/10 VOPC tells me scheduled build date of 1/24. Called my salesman yesterday and got the VIN# as well.
Looking at our orders, looks like the main difference (besides F350 vs. F250) is you are getting V10 and I am getting PSD.
I had one dealer tell me that V10's are on allocation because they were giving priority to the Excursions. I had another dealer tell me that V10's were on allocation because they are classified as gas-guzzlers (big surprise, right?) and that the Federal Government only let Ford build so many gas guzzlers every year and Ford had reached the limit.
Either way, I would suspect that the V10 is the culprit, not the CD player.
Good luck and let us know what you find...
As far as VOPC goes, it is good to check now and then just to find out if progress is being made on your order.
Only a few days left and I'll be able to take a ride on the ....... WILDSIDE.
Now to start adding those accessories. Happy Holidays to all.
I will be at Gator Ford tomorrow evening to drop my beast off for some work....I'll check the back area for your truck....should be the only DRW manual PSD on the lot!!!!
SEEEEEEEEEE YAAAAAA Later......
You should bring that SD down here to the banana belt, its only -6 tonight, so warm we grilled moose steaks! Happy holidays.
R or D, especially when cold, results in a much
more positive engagement than you would get in
maybe a large luxury sedan. There is a lot less
slippage in the torque converter than in a regular
car, which can result in a feeling of driving
against the brakes at slow speeds, particularly
with the I-6. You will also notice that when
lifting off the gas at speed the jeep will slow
down quite rapidly on its own, and you will rarely
need to use the brakes until the last few yards, at
stop lights for instance.
If the engine is cold the idle speed will be high
and the transmission fluid will be thick. When you
engage gear with the brakes on (as you should),
there will be a noticeable jerk. This should be
much reduced as the vehicle warms up.
In slow moving traffic, crawl along at idle using
the brakes to control your speed. If you are
stopped for more than a few minutes, engage the
handbrake or footbrake and select N. This will
help to keep the transmission from overheating. To
move off smoothly, release the brake as you engage
D (not before, not after). Always use the
handbrake to help hold the jeep on a hill.
Lecture mode off :-)
ooops....no truck business posted....hmmmmmmmmm...sorry!!!
Oh yeah....we love the truck
How about the Ford V-10 anybody know what they will do at 0 to 60 mph ?
BESS I did your drink holder modification to my beast to day, really easy to do, haven't had a chance to try it out yet but I think it will help, will let everyone know latter.
John
P.S anybody know someone with a Dodge that want's
to race for pink slips ? LOL
Ordered 11/1, built 11/30 and delivered 12/15. Is Super 250 Lariat, PSD, A/T, Harvest Gold with all the goodies.
Wish I didn't have such a busy day or would take it off to "play".
Marv
Had to cancel the trip to gator ford tonight...sorry lewac.....couldn't look for your rig.....but way to go marv!!! I have the harvest gold also...went from black...impossible to keep clean...to the gold....EASY to keep clean!!! love the color......!!!
filled up today.....12.5 mpg...100% city driving.
See...I posted some truck info!!!!
marv3 don't count on much sleep tonight,I sure didn't get much when my beast came in, enjoy it!
John
I did upgrade the tires to T4RLT265. Dealer said this was the way to go. Hope so. About $450 extra. Any thoughts on this...
Tried to work a better deal between two dealers but couldn't get any lower than $750 over invoice. did get a 10 priority and said they had plenty of allotments for CC's.
Thanks to the one that recommended Ferebee's in VA. ( at least for now !) Now to wait......