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Audi A4 2005+



  • After what seemed like forever in new auto researching, I made my decision. It started out with the BMW 325i, Volvo s602.5T, Saab 9-3 2.0t arc, and last but by far least the Audi A4 1.8 T. I based my decision on the TCO, paying close attention to fuel economy, depreciation, and operating costs. Not to mention the winner hands down was so much fun to drive I test drove all several times, and the Audi 2 times in two weeks.
     So here goes;

    I wanted my Audi A 4 yesterday, so I made my order today.
    2005 Audi A4 1.8 T CVT
    ultra sport
    cold weather
    xenon lights
    dolphin gray, ebony leather int
    $32400 out the door
    delivery to be mid October, highly anticipating pick up!
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Body and chassis updates (longer wheelbase perhaps?) would be my guess and I would guess it might be as late as a 2007 MY, can't seem to get the same story twice. Just that in Feb or Mar of 2005 there will be a 2005.5 which will "look like" the A6 and will have many of the A6's electronics and the 3.2 FSI engine. . .sorry.

    The S4 is a question too -- but the salesfolks at my Audi store cannot imagine no S4, or at least not for long. There is still at this moment a 2005 S4 that can be ordered.
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    Mike, why didn't you wait for the new 2005.5 A4's to come out. They will available in Feb and have new body style and engines and all new interior?
  • I am more into the sporty image of Audi. I think the new direction they are going is the way the Passat wound up going. What I mean is the new A4 they are predicting sounds like a business sedan. Although the 200 hp sounds tempting, it's overkill with the 130 MPH speed limitation, and no chipping in this Audi owners future.
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    Mike: You are going to have so much fun let me tell you brother! Remember this, the car has so much to offer and for me it has been a learning experience. Several friends never, almost never, use tip tronic. I admit to staying in D or moving to S infrequently just starting out. But once you realize the variety of options you will smile secretly. Using tip to enter and exit freeways and shifting to the more fuel efficient D or using the tip in the twisties can be exilirating. You can see other drivers watching as you move onto the freeway. For me however, the quattro was essential. Nothing like it, not the Porsche, Corvette or G35 Coupe or TSX compare. You will love the "z" lights at night. I almost went dolphin gray but ended with silver, I still admire the dolphin. Have fun-------Cicero
  • keitaroukeitarou Posts: 45
    Does anyone know if the 1.8T or 2.0T will have the option for Nav? The current A4 only has the 3.0 with the nav option.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    These cars beg to be mated with manual transmissions -- and, with the possible exception of the S4, they, er, um, "really suck" with the auto transmissions. Every time I am loaned a 3.0 A4 with a tip, I swear someone has removed at least one spark plug the thing is such a dog!

    The 6 speed tip in the S4 can "get out of its own way" but then again you have the extra gear and the monster engine at your command.

    The 1.8T, almost seems better suited to the tip, but driving one of these with even one passenger, makes you wish for an extra gerbil or two under the hood -- the stick transmission versions are totally transformed.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    First the A4 will have a full-screen DVD navi system for 2005.5 (February 2005 on. . .). I can get no answer that makes me warm and fuzzy about the navi -- although I assume THIS TIME they will offer it (there are plenty of price competitive models that have had full screen navis for more than a year or two now.

    Wish I could give a real answer, but I would be shocked if it was only on the 3.2 and S4 (and RS 4?) versions for next year.

    Uh, well, I've been shocked before. . .sorry to say.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Will there still be an Avant in S4 trim, Mark?

    An S4 Avant DSG... yummmmm!

    I took the Mrs. to our local Audi lot on Sunday to prime the pumps so to speak, and after perusing some 3.0 Avants, we took out an S4 Avant, and I made sure she drove it. Worked far better than even I had planned. I now have an unfettered green flag from my l'il CFO to do the lease when my current one is up!
  • I understand that DVD and Navigation are the must have for the 21st century but come on. The Audi navigation is horrible, you look through your steering wheel at a screen that is what 4"-5"? The DVD in the sedan makes no sense to me what so ever. Not having kids I wouldn't know but I think it's more of an option that sounds good posting to boards like this. I personally would opt to pick up an aftermarket Nav from best buy or something with 6.5" -7" colored map display for about half the price. Then with the money I saved I would buy a portable DVD player that can sit on the dash for long drives.
    just my opinion
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    The new NAV units are decent-sized color screens. Check out the A8L shots on the website.

    That's your next gen, I believe.
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    Mark----ahem----tell me how you really feel. Ask the Mrs. about the allegory of the cave and you will understand where I am at. The extra horses are very tempting and I think it will be tough over the next year to avoid advancing to a more powerful 4 or moving into a 6. I have the sense if I got a 200hp car I would really want 255 and on and on......Not everything is cars (I may believe it if I say it enough times). There are other fruits so I am trying to achieve some balance. Since I purchased, I wonder what the trade-in experience is like for a well maintained car for most of THE PEOPLE. Cicero
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    "...Not everything is cars..."

    Hey! Who let that guy in here?

  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    You guys are too funny! I have to say this week has been a difficult week for me but this site has put a smile on my face and kept me sane. Grin. I must admit, the new woman in my life just figured out that my trips to the coast and through the mountains are not entirely romantic: I didn't realize you were so into cars! Not stated in an appreciative tone. You'all must know what I mean though....gotta enjoy the wine (I am in Northern California (SF) not far from wine country so the grapes draw you). Then there is excellent jazz...not east coast jazz but you can fine some great stuff...then there is the food....and you know need a great ride to get you to those places....thats what I meant....give me a break....Cicero.
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    One other thing....Mark...what kind of daily driving do you and your wife do, and do you have many tickets. Seriously. Aren't you the same guy who made the comment about me not being happy about being able to top out at twice the speed limit? You can parse and state that there is a difference between 0-60 performance and that is what you are talking about I suppose.....
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    You and I are nearly neighbors. I'm in San Ramon, originally from Atherton. Spent a fair amount of my professional life at Macy's West HQ on O'Farrell!

    On top speeds: I'm in an IS300 SportCross. I believe the top speed is somewhere around 145. I've hovered around 130 a couple/three times early AM on I5 between here and Fresno, or on 101 near Santa Maria, and I drive. Real joy for me hasn't been found over 100 on any public road, but rather it has been running a set of backroad curves posted for 35 at more like 70, scared to death that me an' Bambi was a-gonna meet unexpected like!

    Now that's driving (IMO, of course)!
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    Hey if we stop talking about 2005s they are going to create a "frienship" or "neighbors" forum----I grew up in San Mateo! Native San Franciscan. I occasionally buy suits at that store----when I can't get to Italy/Lucca and Milano---now that is driving---Mark should go-----yeah, in the end it is the torgue and how you feel about the speeds between 0-80 I suppose. Just went for a night jaunt and the "Gerbils" ran really really fast....Finally, whats we the green peace Nader flag? And where is Santa Maria exactly?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Living in sub-urban Cincinnati, we both drive some residential streets, secondary road and then the interstates (I-275 and I-71). My wife will deny that she drives fast, but when we leave for work I sometimes trail her on the interstate portion of her drive as we both drive west for about 8 or 9 miles. Seems that our little slice of the midwest averages about 75+mph with a sprint or two above 80mph.

    Yes, I would differentiate between fast and quick. I have not had any quarrel with Audis in term of "how fast they go." It would be virtually impossible to ever exceed 120mph let alone 130mph. The quickness is what I hope to have from my cars -- Audis (generally) are not in the top quartile of quickness, often around mid pack and sometimes worse (until you get to the S and RS models). This has changed slowly over the years, but most Audis are not stop light kings (or queens) by any stretch.

    My allroad (6spd manual) is probably quicker than most of its competition, but this is probably an anomaly since not very many of them came with stick shifts (0-60 6.8 seconds).

    The new A6 with a V6 is reported to be 0-60 6.9 seconds and this is probably "with the wind" as Audi probably felt that the price of admission in this class is sub 7 second acceleration.

    So, you're right -- I do parse. . .

    But, as I noted, removing the speed limiter is, as Radar O'Reilly would say, "a three call change." Not a biggie if you must run above 130mph.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Santa Maria is right between San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara. I had two remodel projects down that way last year, in Santa Maria and Lompoc so I put some miles on. I design stores for a living and do residential on the side.

    Santa Maria is best known for Red Oak smoked tri-tip. It's served with salsa down there, and it's remarkably good! Whole lot of vineyards and wineries down that way too! At some point, I wouldn't mind retiring to a horse property down there; maybe spend my autumn years breeding draught horses! :-)

    My office in SF was across the street in the Phelan building up on the 11th floor. Some of the best days of my youth!

    Mark: Was I right? Is that new NAV in the A8L pretty much the next gen model for Audi? Also, do you think we'll see a DSG S4 Avant here? By MY '06? I believe I'm going to need that...
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    Cicero and Wale Bate

    I also live in Northern Calif. I grew up in Marin and moved to Santa Cruz after college ( chico state) 10 years ago. I love driving 17 but haven't had a real fun car in a while to do it in.

    Most of our driving is the 0-80. MT. Tam, Bolinas and Bodega Bay, Hwy 1, Hwy 17, Big Sur etc.

    I have gone to a number of Audi dealerships in the Bay Area, Monterey, San Jose, and Marin. All of them suck except marin. So for me that is a 2 hour drive to get 2005 info.

    Funny though, because I also in the past purchased my suits at Macy's but now have the $1500 taste at Nordstrom for the Zegna suits.

    I am purchasing an Audi at the end of this year, either the A6 or the A4 (feb). I feel for myself the cabin in the current A4 is a little small and the car is underpowered (currently). Also the center console pushes in against my right leg. With the refresh it is getting in feb as a 2005.5 and a 255 hp engine i think it would be worth taking a look at. I just hope it gets a little larger in the width and length and more interior cabin room like the 05'A6 is getting over the 04' A6.

    Any other dealers in the Bay Area you guys have had good experiences with?
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Chico's my alma mater too! This is a bit frightening!

    We (four of us) rented a house in a walnut orchard about a quarter-mile west of 32 on W. Sac! Thursday nights were spent at the Bear in our "command post" which is that first booth in the center row next to the first floor bar. Most of my after hours time, though, was spent at Canal Street playing pool, and at the Deja Vu Mining Company listening to the 8th Avenue String Band.

    I don't know if Carlsen is still selling Audi on the peninsula, but after my VW experience there, I wouldn't go back. I know a couple Porsche pilots who had unkind things to say about them as well.

    I test drove an S4 Avant last Sunday at the new Livermore dealership. They have three RS6s on the lot as well, which caused small amounts of drool to pool on my shirt front! I have zero idea of their customer service abilities, but the sales guy was knowledgeable and avoided most forms of puffery and competition-bashing.

    Too tight in the A4, eh? I admit to liking a close cockpit, so I find the current size near perfect, perhaps even a tad generous, but that's in comparison to my SportCross, which is exactly right for me, and the '95-'99 Eclipses, which I always thought had the best driver's cockpit I'd ever seen. I'm 6'0" and 180 with a fair amount of leg.
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    Wale Bate

    Chico Days, man my first year there was when the had the Playboy people up and there was that big riot near Riley's. I lived in the "zoo" then to Nord Gardens when they first built them.

    Anyway, so you don't find the center console pushing in on your right leg at all? Have you sat in the S4? That is where I really felt it, I wonder if the S4 interior console is different than the A4 center console. Any thoughts there?
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    The S4 Avant was what I drove. Nah, I was comfortable, so maybe I sit and set the seat a bit differently. But like I said, I like 'em close and sort of cocooning. The housing does have a slight curve to it, so if you like to sit a little close with knees bent outward at all I can see where you might rub.

    It's so close to the size and layout of my current car (which is near perfect for me) that I felt comfortable right away.

    I can't even begin to describe the feeling of pushing pedals real hard! :-)
  • Wow what a small world, when you all buy the new Audis there is a highly likely chance you may race by one another! Poor me I'm stuck to the confining German back roads and open Autobahns! Being in Germany is great but me and the wife would trade a pint of Riesling and a kilogram of brat wurst for a good old American sonic burger and a 44 oz guzzler! Speaking of roads, how long would you all advise before really getting into the new audis? I've heard they come ready to be autobahn run but I would be skittish hitting 130 to quick. Any advice?

    On a side note you'll love this, my last car was a 98 VW golf 2.0. Lack luster is a understatement, but I did the up grades anyway. Speed chip exhaust aftermarket intake etc... So we just got to Germany last summer and to show off the power of the golf on the autobahn we go for a cruise. Now on the autobahn it's dog eat dog and looks are not important just being able to get out of your own way. Needless to say when the golf eked over 130kph(80mph) I watched several station wagons, ford escort, ford mondeo passat, mercedes citroen you name it fly by me.

    Morale of the story; It's not if, but when you get passed strive to be the head turner. I think I'll get some glances with an A 4 especially when the porsche rally rolls up in my back window on the Manheim Saarbrucken Autobahn!
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    I am starting to think I better trade in my car and my suits---you buy Zegna----and actually pay the 1500---I am way out of my league with you boys. I bought a Zegna sport coat at Wilkes in Mendocino and they closed the store and brought out champagne (4 women). I bought an Armani - met him a year ago in Italy and told him I am still trying to pay it off. I am off this site---going back to Passats. Cicero
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234

    Haaaaaaaa. Got it on sale for $950 and was my first suit purchase that high. But it is nice and I don't know if I could back to the $600 anymore after that one.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Trumps me entirely!

    I have a family connection at Patrick James, so everything I own is Hart, Schaffner & Marx (I'm alarmingly conservative when it comes to suiting!), with generous family discount. ;-)

    Hey Mike: have any A3 Sportbacks hit the streets in your nape of the timber? I'm dyin' to hear from someone who's actually seen the 5-door in the metal.
  • I'm not to sure about the A 3 but I did the pivelage of driving an A2 for a week. They are kind of neat, small but neat. I've seen the A3's running around they look like loads of fun. They remind me of the VW golf on steroids, they have the typical Audi styling smmoth exterior lines etc... I'm going to a German Audi dealership this weekend so maybe I'll test one? Sorry not much help, has the A 2 been introduced in the states?
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    I picked mine up at Rector Audi and the experience was very good. They sell a lot of cars there and too a wealthy clientle. Unfortunately, the guy I bought from left claiming to have hit on the lottery and he moved back to Genoa or somewhere in Northern Italy. The service is prompt with attention to customer satisfaction. I had a problem with my Zenons going down after a bump in the road and they did not fuss or muss about it and replaced the part. Years ago, I bought my first Jetta GL (I went to 6 cyls later) and the digaphant (sp) fuel injection reached 96 degrees and shut down the engine----this meant I got 5 miles out the City in the fast lane and the engine shut down. The dealer, in its "efforts" to duplicate the problem could not find it because they were not in the car long enough or fast enough to reach the temperature. So they kept giving me the car back. Finally, I went to Lemon law and at the same time a bulletin came back on the problem and the car was fine after that. Having those repeated experiences with VW made me realize that I had to find a dealership that treated me nice. Coincidentally, the one that sold me the car went out of business; I feel no remorse. Now I have found a great dealership. Nicer wheels too. I enjoy the 4 but after seeing the new 6; European version, I am impressed. I think you seriously should consider the 6.
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    No A2s around here; I saw a bunch of them in Italy though and I thought they were well matched for the Euro-environment---small but not as small as Ka and about the same size as the small Alfa station wagons. For some reason, I thought they would not do well here; the A 3s a are a different story.
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