Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

breld

I’m having so much fun looking for a nice old Honda that I think I’ll stick with that.  

breld

@nyccarguy - looking forward to the “after” pics of the deck!  Are you doing the work yourself?  

nyccarguy

breld said:

@nyccarguy - looking forward to the “after” pics of the deck!  Are you doing the work yourself?  

I’m flattered you think I could accomplish such a project. I’m not @qbrozen or @jmonroe (or @jmonroe1).  I took out a HELOC and hired a contractor to do the work.  There are wetlands behind my property and I need to make sure the city is aware of everything that is going on.

stickguy

I would never attempt it now, but on our first house, I built the deck myself. Only about 12x16 IIRC, but came out OK. had a friend and my dad help with part of it, but mostly it was me. I was proud that 20 years later when we drove through the old neighborhood, it was still on the house!

and that project was what taught me to never, ever, dig 4' deep holes with a manual post hole digger. In July.

stickguy

I did, however, just assemble an Ikea desk for my wife tonight, after doing a TV wall unit for the daughter yesterday. That I can still handle!

breld

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

stickguy

got an update from my son on the guy he works with that lost his Cayman after getting rear ended and having it totaled. He apparently now has a replacement, in burgundy. Bought the prior one for $20k, got $25K from insurance, then bought the replacement for $25k. So, in the big picture, came out OK.

interesting part, got about 12 hours notice (not quite sure why) to fly to Florida (from NY) to buy it, then drive it back home. That part, sounded fun.

andres3

nyccarguy said:

andres3 said:

nyccarguy said:

I think @breld mentioned something about one side of the rear bumper cover being mis-aligned. I swear this is of ALL 5th generation Preludes. Hit or not (mine has been replaced).

Was your Prelude assembled in Japan or Ohio? Both of our Civic's were Japan built, and both provided no fuss or muss. The VW Alltrack has been very Honda Civic like in that regard.

All Preludes were built in Japan. I had a 2010 TSX assembled in Japan and am now on my 2nd American made Honda Pilot. The Pilots are both screwed together extremely well.

Did you get your Alltrack fixed yet?

Not yet. A hair over $1,000 with the rear taillight replaced, but it just has a stress mark, not cracked all the way through, so more like $900 out the door or so. Need to schedule it; said they could have it in and out in 24 hours.

andres3

breld said:

So...the story on this Type R is much like my own. I chatted with the owner for quite a while. He's 60 years old and, among other things, has owned many Honda products, including a couple Integra Type Rs and S2000s. He was able to get the Civic Type R last December and has put about 398 miles on it in that timeframe. So, it doesn't seem to make much sense for him to maintain the vehicle he never drives.

For me...I don't think I've shared too much here, but I do miss the Type R and, interestingly enough, having the Golf R actually accentuates by contrast how much I enjoyed the Type R. While the Golf R is incredible in its own right, and I do appreciate its relative stealthy character, I prefer the driving character of the Type R.

But, any of those "compromises" are made up for with the fact that my wife enjoys the Golf R, so it's a true shared car, whereas the Type R would not be.

Having said all that, I made an informal offer of $35,000 for the ever so slightly used Type R, the owner respectfully said his bottom line was $36,000, and we left it at that.

You offered $10 over sticker and they turned it down? Don't they go for sticker or less nowadays?

stickguy

good point. the novelty must have warn off. If paying full boat for a new car, might as well get a new car!

breld

andres3 said:

breld said:

So...the story on this Type R is much like my own. I chatted with the owner for quite a while. He's 60 years old and, among other things, has owned many Honda products, including a couple Integra Type Rs and S2000s. He was able to get the Civic Type R last December and has put about 398 miles on it in that timeframe. So, it doesn't seem to make much sense for him to maintain the vehicle he never drives.

For me...I don't think I've shared too much here, but I do miss the Type R and, interestingly enough, having the Golf R actually accentuates by contrast how much I enjoyed the Type R. While the Golf R is incredible in its own right, and I do appreciate its relative stealthy character, I prefer the driving character of the Type R.

But, any of those "compromises" are made up for with the fact that my wife enjoys the Golf R, so it's a true shared car, whereas the Type R would not be.

Having said all that, I made an informal offer of $35,000 for the ever so slightly used Type R, the owner respectfully said his bottom line was $36,000, and we left it at that.

You offered $10 over sticker and they turned it down? Don't they go for sticker or less nowadays?

They’re still scarce - you’re generally not gonna walk into your local Honda dealership and buy a Type R for sticker. I’m surprised how they are continuing to command premiums a year after release. Which is why he’ll get his $36k with a little patience, from a buyer who has ran out of patience. And to be fair, it is a current 2018 model with 400 miles on it (which has been titled, but still).

Having said that, I would have taken an offer like mine in a heartbeat for mine earlier this year. This owner cracks me up - he says at $36k, he’s willing to “eat” what he paid in sales tax.

tifighter

breld said:

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

Paging @Mr_Shiftright to the white courtesy phone. Customer looking at a low mile 996.

I went through this last summer. If it doesn’t have a pile of receipts, well, proceed directly to a 2010+ Boxster/Cayman.

qbrozen

breld said:

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

I'm sure it will be fine for your extended test drive.

qbrozen

breld said:

So...the story on this Type R is much like my own. I chatted with the owner for quite a while. He's 60 years old and, among other things, has owned many Honda products, including a couple Integra Type Rs and S2000s. He was able to get the Civic Type R last December and has put about 398 miles on it in that timeframe. So, it doesn't seem to make much sense for him to maintain the vehicle he never drives. For me...I don't think I've shared too much here, but I do miss the Type R and, interestingly enough, having the Golf R actually accentuates by contrast how much I enjoyed the Type R. While the Golf R is incredible in its own right, and I do appreciate its relative stealthy character, I prefer the driving character of the Type R. But, any of those "compromises" are made up for with the fact that my wife enjoys the Golf R, so it's a true shared car, whereas the Type R would not be. Having said all that, I made an informal offer of $35,000 for the ever so slightly used Type R, the owner respectfully said his bottom line was $36,000, and we left it at that.

You offered $10 over sticker and they turned it down? Don't they go for sticker or less nowadays?

They’re still scarce - you’re generally not gonna walk into your local Honda dealership and buy a Type R for sticker. I’m surprised how they are continuing to command premiums a year after release. Which is why he’ll get his $36k with a little patience, from a buyer who has ran out of patience. And to be fair, it is a current 2018 model with 400 miles on it (which has been titled, but still). Having said that, I would have taken an offer like mine in a heartbeat for mine earlier this year. This owner cracks me up - he says at $36k, he’s willing to “eat” what he paid in sales tax.

What color do you want? I've got 112 of them on cargurus within 500 miles of me. All new, and 96 of them are MSRP or below.

ab348

Drivingfool said:

Sorry folks, this new sign-in, whatever they call it is for the birds. So, I've changed my screen name/e-mail/password and will give it one more shot. If not, guess I'm gonna say goodbye to Edmunds.com. Been here a long time and after that screwed up change many years ago, the one that lost all my history, decided to give things one more shot in here. Well, yesterday or Saturday, all my info was gone again and signing in was impossible. I'm not techy at all and if things get somewhat complicated in anything I log into, I'm usually just gone.
So, no more "The Sandman" and we'll try "Drivingfool" and see how things go. And if I'm still having issues, I'm gone. Definitely hurts to do that as this is my favorite website, bar none, but if it ain't gonna be easy to use, I'm outta here for good. So, let's see what happens going forward. Maybe it is a good time to change everything going forward, who the hell knows. But I'm not to optimistic here as this site should be easy like it used to be. Anything complicated on my computer, I just click off and move on to something else.
So, let's see where this leads!!

I am, The Drivingfool

Sandy, if you are using Safari on your iPhone to access the site, be advised that it does not always work for signing into the forums and we are awaiting a fix. It has been reported and they are supposedly working on it.

If you are having problems otherwise, email help@edmunds.com to get assistance that has been prompt and useful in my case.

graphicguy

When Honda opened their engine and assembly plant up state from me, I remember the Honda faithful wringing their hands stating any car made there would not equal the quality coming out of Japan. Some still believe that (although they can’t point to any concrete evidence of that).

It was either Car and Driver, Automobile or Motor Trend who did a long term study of the quality of Honda cars coming out of Japan and those manufactured in OH and found that the domestics beat their Japanese counterparts in assembly quality. Still, some don’t believe that.

I know a few engineers who work there. They try to hire them right out of school so Honda can indoctrinate them in the Honda way immediately. They said the rigorous assembly and engineering that Hondas go through are unlike anything they’ve ever seen anywhere else.

You can criticize Honda’s styling or a myriad of other things folks may not like about them. Can’t criticize their engineering or quality or build, though. They are 2nd to none.

stickguy

That Porsche is gorgeous. I want it. Can’t afford it. But minor detail.

I assume that is an IMS era engine?

andres3

graphicguy said:

When Honda opened their engine and assembly plant up state from me, I remember the Honda faithful wringing their hands stating any car made there would not equal the quality coming out of Japan. Some still believe that (although they can’t point to any concrete evidence of that).

It was either Car and Driver, Automobile or Motor Trend who did a long term study of the quality of Honda cars coming out of Japan and those manufactured in OH and found that the domestics beat their Japanese counterparts in assembly quality. Still, some don’t believe that.

I know a few engineers who work there. They try to hire them right out of school so Honda can indoctrinate them in the Honda way immediately. They said the rigorous assembly and engineering that Hondas go through are unlike anything they’ve ever seen anywhere else.

You can criticize Honda’s styling or a myriad of other things folks may not like about them. Can’t criticize their engineering or quality or build, though. They are 2nd to none.

Honda is very good at what you mention. However, they are not perfect.

My '03 Accord Coupe (first-year model definitely had some teething issues, as well as engineering lapses in judgment (the automatic transmission that grenades itself under high V6 power). Teething issues included minor issues with the power seat control on the driver's seat, and window/door trim that would unglued, would not adhere well, and wrinkle, fold, and generally just fall apart while still under warranty. Another demerit point for making me come in for a transmission recall to install an "oil jet kit" that obviously didn't work with failure at 42,000 miles (don't remember when the recall was done, but probably around 32,000 miles, I remember it wasn't that long until bad failure symptoms in the transmission started after the supposed repair). That Accord was built and assembled in Ohio. Was the transmission their fault? Probably not. But on one hand you have an Accord that was overall good and reliable, but far from perfect. Anecdotally, my personal experience with the Japan built Civic' s has been that they are flawless and perfect, or at least, trouble-free.

The Accord leads me to believe Audi's could be just as reliable as Honda's, or even more so on a case by case basis. The Civic's, as good as Audi has been to me, wouldn't let me honestly believe that.

breld

qbrozen said:

breld said:

andres3 said:

breld said:

So...the story on this Type R is much like my own. I chatted with the owner for quite a while. He's 60 years old and, among other things, has owned many Honda products, including a couple Integra Type Rs and S2000s. He was able to get the Civic Type R last December and has put about 398 miles on it in that timeframe. So, it doesn't seem to make much sense for him to maintain the vehicle he never drives.

For me...I don't think I've shared too much here, but I do miss the Type R and, interestingly enough, having the Golf R actually accentuates by contrast how much I enjoyed the Type R. While the Golf R is incredible in its own right, and I do appreciate its relative stealthy character, I prefer the driving character of the Type R.

But, any of those "compromises" are made up for with the fact that my wife enjoys the Golf R, so it's a true shared car, whereas the Type R would not be.

Having said all that, I made an informal offer of $35,000 for the ever so slightly used Type R, the owner respectfully said his bottom line was $36,000, and we left it at that.

You offered $10 over sticker and they turned it down? Don't they go for sticker or less nowadays?

They’re still scarce - you’re generally not gonna walk into your local Honda dealership and buy a Type R for sticker. I’m surprised how they are continuing to command premiums a year after release. Which is why he’ll get his $36k with a little patience, from a buyer who has ran out of patience. And to be fair, it is a current 2018 model with 400 miles on it (which has been titled, but still).

Having said that, I would have taken an offer like mine in a heartbeat for mine earlier this year. This owner cracks me up - he says at $36k, he’s willing to “eat” what he paid in sales tax.

What color do you want? I've got 112 of them on cargurus within 500 miles of me. All new, and 96 of them are MSRP or below.

From personal experience as well as what I've read on the boards, of those 96 listings at MSRP, you may find a couple who are legitimately offering them at sticker, but for the vast majority of them, it's a bait and switch - you call to inquire just to find out that there is indeed a dealer markup and/or marked-up accessories required.

stickguy

The V6 tranny was the same regardless of where assembled. That was a design failure not an assembly issue.

stickguy

For $5k less, I would rather have the low mile Porsche for a toy.

breld

qbrozen said:

breld said:

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

I'm sure it will be fine for your extended test drive.

I suppose that's what I'm trying to figure out. 1) How's the pricing and 2) What are the potential pitfalls with regard to repairs & maintenance?

Mr_Shiftright

breld said:

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

Looks like a nice car but I don't think the low miles are worth an extra $7,000 bucks. Of course, get a PPI on the car because of the IMS bearing issue. Oddly enough, the lower the miles, the greater the risk on this car. But if you change the oil frequently, and rew the hell out of the car, you should be fine. Odds of a failure are very low (but catastrophic, nonetheless).

Have you driven the 996? They drive beautifully of course, but if you were hoping for a luxury interior or a smooth quiet ride--that's not going to happen.

qbrozen

breld said:

breld said:

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

I'm sure it will be fine for your extended test drive.

I suppose that's what I'm trying to figure out. 1) How's the pricing and 2) What are the potential pitfalls with regard to repairs & maintenance?

You won't have it long enough to worry about repairs and maintenance.

andres3

stickguy said:

The V6 tranny was the same regardless of where assembled. That was a design failure not an assembly issue.

And to be fair to Honda, in 2002 the '03 models came out with an all-new state-of-the-art 5-speed automatic transmission (way advanced for the time). The engine output was 240 zesty horses. Those are some decent excuses for having a failure.

What's Chrysler's excuse for having an ancient 3-speed auto that couldn't last much longer than Honda's transmission but was only powered by a 132 HP 2.0L 4-banger motor??? Advantage, Honda.

breld

Mr_Shiftright said:

breld said:

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

Looks like a nice car but I don't think the low miles are worth an extra $7,000 bucks. Of course, get a PPI on the car because of the IMS bearing issue. Oddly enough, the lower the miles, the greater the risk on this car. But if you change the oil frequently, and rew the hell out of the car, you should be fine. Odds of a failure are very low (but catastrophic, nonetheless).

Have you driven the 996? They drive beautifully of course, but if you were hoping for a luxury interior or a smooth quiet ride--that's not going to happen.

Thanks. So, given the premium for the low miles, is it priced fairly for what it is? I'm simply looking at KBB values, which seem to indicate a trade value of around mid-$20k's, so this seems to have a healthy mark-up, but maybe not out of this world.

We have an appointment to take a look at it this afternoon.

Drivingfool

Am using Firefox to come into Edmunds.com, prefer Firefox to every other browser for their simplicity and speed. Just not ready to play detective in here to find my old stuff as I did that with two banks the last couple of days which was exhausting. Figure that I come in here to relax and read for fun so to change my name/email/password after so many years is a good thing. I've purged my account so to speak as I had so many discussions that I haven't read in months...now I've cut that down to a fraction and can be a bit more selective going forward.
We're also in the process of dropping AT&T as our internet provider and giving the cable company a try. They have double the speed which can only be a good thing if it's true, and I don't want to leave the local cable company for our t v watching. But since I only play on the web and my wife does business on it, leaving it all up to her where we end up. As long as I've got decent wifi, I'm good!

laurasdada

Elvis has left the building: The oh so long in tooth '02 Lexus RX300, along with the two new Yoko Ono tires has given up the transmission ghost. That is what the boy told me, as his mother has gone radio silence in communicating with me. It was towed 100+ miles to a garage of her choosing, and that is the final update I received. I know not where it has gone, but unfortunately for me, at least 3 excellent mix cassettes of mine of circa 1980s vintage have gone with it.
For now, the boy shall be sans wheels whilst at University. But, an Uber account at his beck and call.
RIP, Rex. Say hello to all the other cars of my past that have gone on to a better place.

nyccarguy

laurasdada said:

Elvis has left the building: The oh so long in tooth '02 Lexus RX300, along with the two new Yoko Ono tires has given up the transmission ghost. That is what the boy told me, as his mother has gone radio silence in communicating with me. It was towed 100+ miles to a garage of her choosing, and that is the final update I received. I know not where it has gone, but unfortunately for me, at least 3 excellent mix cassettes of mine of circa 1980s vintage have gone with it.
For now, the boy shall be sans wheels whilst at University. But, an Uber account at his beck and call.
RIP, Rex. Say hello to all the other cars of my past that have gone on to a better place.

That means the Jag is next. I smell 2 punches in your future.

laurasdada

Bradd, are you predicting a too soon demise of my beloved XF? I just re-shod it for the upcoming no doubt mild New England winter. My hope is to keep it to the end of '19, then perhaps recreate New Year's Eve '13 and get a screaming deal on a leftover '19 ???.
This will be a tough one to replace, really does everything so well for me. With, of course, pace and grace. Space ain't bad, either.

As for the boy, time will tell. But I want not to be entangled with his mother in any financial arrangement beyond current child support.

Mr_Shiftright

breld said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

breld said:

All my looking at older vehicles is contagious.  My wife is smitten with this, and I told her we could get the skinny on such a vehicle from the Porsche  experts here.  

http://denver.clscars.com/mobile/inventorydetail.aspx?StockNumber=681555

Looks like a nice car but I don't think the low miles are worth an extra $7,000 bucks. Of course, get a PPI on the car because of the IMS bearing issue. Oddly enough, the lower the miles, the greater the risk on this car. But if you change the oil frequently, and rew the hell out of the car, you should be fine. Odds of a failure are very low (but catastrophic, nonetheless).

Have you driven the 996? They drive beautifully of course, but if you were hoping for a luxury interior or a smooth quiet ride--that's not going to happen.

Thanks. So, given the premium for the low miles, is it priced fairly for what it is? I'm simply looking at KBB values, which seem to indicate a trade value of around mid-$20k's, so this seems to have a healthy mark-up, but maybe not out of this world.

We have an appointment to take a look at it this afternoon.

Yes mid $20Ks is spot on. The 996 is going to continue to depreciate anyway, so if he's going to drive the car, it makes no sense to pay such a high premium for low miles. So maybe $27.5K would be a good compromise.

breld

@Mr_shiftright - thanks for the feedback. So this is at a broker that I've worked with before.

So...they have it listed at $31,500 and that's without the IMS addressed! The salesperson seems to put A LOT of value on those low miles, but did suggest that they could share in the cost of the repair - as in, mark it up from the $31,500 for part of the cost to address the IMS.

So I'd say this one is definitely a no-go. Having never driven a 911 before, I will say it was sublime - such an engaging drive. It all felt, for lack of better words, so "mechanical," from the clutch feel to the feel and sound of the engine. And the wife agreed. I will say it was a pretty tight fit for my frame - with much of my height in my legs, engaging the clutch didn't exactly feel natural.

And of course, we thought it was a gorgeous vehicle to look at.

At the same time, it also made us appreciate what something like the Golf R offers - not to say it's the same driving experience, but it certainly does well to combine elements of an engaging fun drive with day-to-day comfort and functionality.

breld

We also looked at the used Miata RF that I had posted about previously.

2017 Club Trim in the ceramic white (which I love) with the Brembo/BBS package.
8,000 miles with the manual trannie, despite listing it as an automatic (personally, I think they've lost some buyers with that error).

Q pegs it at around $25k auction value, and this place has it listed at $25,998.

I didn't drive it this afternoon - I wanted to lay eyes on it and verify that I could fit okay in it. In contrast to the 911, it was actually quite comfortable in the driver's seat for my frame. And with the roof up, I suppose a few hairs may graze the top, but nothing worse than that. So...I fit.

Powered the top down, which is very cool. It may not be the full convertible experience, but I wouldn't really mind. The targa-like experience is sufficient for me, and I kinda like it not being so conspicuous and open. And the exterior look I love.

Speaking with the owner of this place, he suggested there's some room in the pricing, so what already is a great deal could even get better. Being at the end of summer here in Denver, I suspect they may be anxious to sell it off.

andres3

Not a car purchase, but I decided to equip the Alltrack with 17"x7.5" Enkei Fujin bright silver wheels, a simple 7-spoke design (easy to clean) that Tirerack had a great deal on as a closeout item. 225/50R17 Michelin Pilot sport A/S 3+ will come with them pre-mounted. Gives me plenty of sidewall still, for those off-road excursions, but should help me keep up with GTI's on the twistiest roadways, as the wheels are very lightweight, and the tires highly rated. I guess no one buys 17" wheels anymore, they were cheaper than the tire on closeout!

nyccarguy

andres3 said:

Not a car purchase, but I decided to equip the Alltrack with 17"x7.5" Enkei Fujin bright silver wheels, a simple 7-spoke design (easy to clean) that Tirerack had a great deal on as a closeout item. 225/50R17 Michelin Pilot sport A/S 3+ will come with them pre-mounted. Gives me plenty of sidewall still, for those off-road excursions, but should help me keep up with GTI's on the twistiest roadways, as the wheels are very lightweight, and the tires highly rated. I guess no one buys 17" wheels anymore, they were cheaper than the tire on closeout!

Cool.  Can’t wait to see the pics!

nyccarguy

Meanwhile, my Prelude came out so good the other day that I don’t want to drive it!

xwesx

nyccarguy said:

Meanwhile, my Prelude came out so good the other day that I don’t want to drive it!

Wimp.

qbrozen

I really have to stop browsing Stelvios.

FF, when do you get yours?

stickguy

maybe I should start!

roadburner

If I could get a sign and drive lease on a Giulia or Stelvio ti Sport for under $400/month I'd have one in the garage tonight.

28firefighter

Friday. If I can figure out how to get from north seattle to Tacoma without 9 buses, a train and half a day of work. 

28firefighter

roadburner said:

If I could get a sign and drive lease on a Giulia or Stelvio ti Sport for under $400/month I'd have one in the garage tonight.

If you go light on options it’s doable. There is an Alfa dealer in NC (I think) that is doing cheap leases. 

The sales tax and registration tax really kill the sign and drive stuff here in WA. 

roadburner

Enabler!

pensfan83

Isn't there a dealer in Erie too? Thought I read people raving about someone there that's made a killing off leasehackr.

28firefighter

Yes but I think his aged inventory is running low. Though the Alfa dealer in Erie is very good, too, it may be better to find a newer VIN with less options. 

tifighter

28firefighter said:

Friday. If I can figure out how to get from north seattle to Tacoma without 9 buses, a train and half a day of work. 

Shoot, if I wasn’t heading up to Port Townsend on Friday afternoon, I would have wanted in on this show. If you decide to take half a day on Thursday, let me know

corvette

28firefighter said:

Friday. If I can figure out how to get from north seattle to Tacoma without 9 buses, a train and half a day of work. 

Uber or Lyft?

corvette

roadburner said:

Enabler!

You type that like it's a bad thing!

28firefighter

tifighter said:

Friday. If I can figure out how to get from north seattle to Tacoma without 9 buses, a train and half a day of work. 

Shoot, if I wasn’t heading up to Port Townsend on Friday afternoon, I would have wanted in on this show. If you decide to take half a day on Thursday, let me know

Haha will do. 

And yes, the vomit com...I mean Uber...is an option. Just not my top choice. 

28firefighter

roadburner said:

Enabler!

Guilty.