Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

mjfloyd1

28firefighter said:

mjfloyd1 said:

28firefighter said:

For whatever reason I really enjoy the experience of going to Costco and walking out with 60 rolls of toilet paper. and 40 rolls of paper towels.

IBS with diarrhea?

Close! Crohn's disease. The throne is my second office.

And there I was, just thinking I was making a 60 rolls of TP joke.

Sorry man!

I hope that your favorite song isn’t Johnny Cash -Burnin Ring of Fire!

mjfloyd1

28firefighter said:

My punch is official - paperwork is signed and returned. But I don't pick up until Saturday.

I think you went back to the BMW i3

ab348

@mjfloyd1 , your new avatar looks like you died a horrific death.

tjc78

My new one was pretty bad.. uploaded a pic of the Volvo instead

28firefighter

mjfloyd1 said:

28firefighter said:

mjfloyd1 said:

28firefighter said:

For whatever reason I really enjoy the experience of going to Costco and walking out with 60 rolls of toilet paper. and 40 rolls of paper towels.

IBS with diarrhea?

Close! Crohn's disease. The throne is my second office.

And there I was, just thinking I was making a 60 rolls of TP joke.

Sorry man!

I hope that your favorite song isn’t Johnny Cash -Burnin Ring of Fire!

Joke away - I have a very good sense of humor, because all you can do is laugh.

Ring of Fire is only my theme song during annual colonoscopy prep. That and Rocketman. I was diagnosed 13 years ago and am coming up on my 11th this fall.

marcogallo1986

@mb enthusiast, thanks for the update on your dad wishing the best for him and praying that he’ll have a speedy quick recovery. Please keep us updated or you been doing all like another family in here for second family that I like better than my own ha ha Ha.

corvette

You guys make me feel lucky to have lactose intolerance and a shellfish allergy!

stickguy

stopped at the Caddy dealer tonight. I must be a plebeian, because I felt like a poser in that place. Very fancy building, and those subtle snob cues like overdressed salespeople. Even though I drove up in a nice car, am certainly old enough to be there, and can afford what I was sitting in!

did not end up driving or getting my coupon validated. Might stop back later in the week. To my shock, it was somewhat busy and the few sales people there that late were with someone. So I sat in an XT5 (very nice, but felt too big) and an XT4 (also really nice, and a nice tidy size). Thankfully they had one on the showroom floor hooked up to power. Plus it was a real base car (FWD, zero options, MSRP ~$35K) but it was still a nice interior and decently equipped. More cargo space and rear seat space than I expected. I am interested now in driving one, though to get one with the options I would want MSRP is more in the $46K range. And might require black interior.

pretty good looking in person. So will keep it on the list.

Will probably still look at one, but I think the XC60 will come off. Depends on how excited the wife is to look at it, but unless we decide to do a 3 year and dump lease, not thinking it is a good 10 year keeper for us.

nyccarguy

I saw a Volvo S60 today. Very sharp!

stickguy

I saw a red one last week at shop rite. Very sharp. I would get that color I think.

stickguy

I am not going to be spending 50K on a modern Vette. But if you gave it to me and said I had to, it would probably be this one.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2016-chevrolet-corvette-2dr_stingray_z51_coupe_w_2lt-used-1g1yj2d72g5108788.html

and I know this probably has a grenade engine, and is "only" the base engine, but I just love the color combo. And I am sure I would find it fun to drive and plenty quick enough.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2007-porsche-boxster-2dr_roadster-used-wp0ca29837u710480.html

28firefighter

stickguy said:

I am not going to be spending 50K on a modern Vette. But if you gave it to me and said I had to, it would probably be this one.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2016-chevrolet-corvette-2dr_stingray_z51_coupe_w_2lt-used-1g1yj2d72g5108788.html

and I know this probably has a grenade engine, and is "only" the base engine, but I just love the color combo. And I am sure I would find it fun to drive and plenty quick enough.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2007-porsche-boxster-2dr_roadster-used-wp0ca29837u710480.html

The issue with that Boxster is that the failure rate on the IMS bearing is much lower than 1999-2004 models, but is not nearly as serviceable - actually not at all, I don’t think.

tjc78

Both of those are the same color combo as our Enclave. I love it.

ab348

Pretty much the same color combo as my ATS too, though Porsche does/did take much more of a monochrome approach to the interior color, while GM mixes in a lot of black. On my ATS there is even more black than on the Corvette shown, which is unfortunate but typical of most manufacturers of late. Mine could have used a few Kona brown accents on the dash like the Vette..

tjc78

Lease end inspection today on the Elantra. Only thing I see on it is a small scratch on the driver's rear door panel from me be too lazy to lower the rear seat and slide the metal gondola upright in through the trunk.

They may not even notice it.

graphicguy

I'm still getting emails about my long departed Cadillac(s). That's been gone for over 3 years.

The latest from the local Chevy dealer, although the people sending them are real.

They mention that they're in dire need of my car (really? The one the Cadillac bought back? Demand is that high on lemon cars?). I actually emailed one lady back stating I wasn't in the market for a Chevy. She asked whether I wanted to sell my Cadillac to them outright.

Obviously, they're working from some sort of long out of date database.

tjc78

My wife still gets letters about her 08 Elantra.... C'mon guys it's been gone since 2012

Guy just left, said the 17 Elantra is good to go with $0.00 in repairs. Only thing he noted was a small scratch on front bumper and a chip on the rear both well within spec.

nyccarguy

tjc78 said:

My wife still gets letters about her 08 Elantra.... C'mon guys it's been gone since 2012

Guy just left, said the 17 Elantra is good to go with $0.00 in repairs. Only thing he noted was a small scratch on front bumper and a chip on the rear both well within spec.

Always good to hear positive news! Now start driving that Volvo!

pensfan83

I'd rather get emails from dealers than calls telling me my 2011 Fusion is in danger of being out of warranty and an extended warranty is critical

andres3

So it turns out leasing is a scam industry, at least at Kia. They are trying to delibrately steal $350 dollars from me by putting it on the final bill added to the disposition fee. It is for a 2nd key FOB. The same 2 key FOB's the dealership receiveed when I returned the car.

For the pre-inspection, they don't tell you to bring both keys. So they note a missing Key FOB. Apparently though, the dealership specifically enters the number of KEY FOB's they received, so they continue the scam by noting 1 instead of 2.

Now I'm supposed to waste time out of my life to tell the dealership to correct their error and send Kia Finance a letter via email or fax that they did get 2 Key FOB's ????? WOW! Just WOW! Total fraud and dishonesty at Kia!

What a scam!

We'll see how the call to the dealership goes a bit later this morning PST.

Never again! NEVER! I've rented apartments before, I know how this scam works. Only there, they steal your deposit... thankfully, the only thing they can dishonestly and fraudulently attack is my credit score here. They will never see a penny of that $350.

tjc78

Wow that sucks ... the woman on the phone with the inspection company explicitly told me to bring both key fobs to the inspection along with manuals and any accessories that need to go back with the car.

stickguy

They do. I’m sure it was in all the stuff they sent in advance. I got a lot of it from HMF related to the turn in process. Very detailed.

Dealer should have been more careful though, but they don’t pay much attention. Should be an easy fix, especially since there will, in fact, be 2 fobs with the car.

andres3

stickguy said:

They do. I’m sure it was in all the stuff they sent in advance. I got a lot of it from HMF related to the turn in process. Very detailed.

Dealer should have been more careful though, but they don’t pay much attention. Should be an easy fix, especially since there will, in fact, be 2 fobs with the car.

I think I read every word I got from Kia Finance, and I don't remember 2 key fob's being pointed out for the pre-inspection.

Regardless, my first call to the dealership resulted in "may I take your name and number" to see who this should go to. Hopefully, they didn't magically "lose" the 2nd Key FOB, or I might find it being sold on E-Bay.

tjc78

I was told by the agent from the inspection service, not from Hyundai directly.

Michaell

When I had the inspection on the Jetta, the inspector asked to see both fobs, so he could check that off his list.

I also had a decent sized ding in the front passenger door that was waived.

andres3

As I suspected, the 2nd key fob is on craigslist or ebay, or already sold. The dealership says they received 1, both on their "paper" and on their "photo" they send to Kia Finance. Funny, how come I don't get the paper nor the photo when I return the vehicle. In the interest of full disclosure, they should probably share this with the customer.

I was sent packing with no paper. If the Kia was stolen and they claimed I never returned the car, I have photo documentation showing it in their parking lot the date I returned it. That's all I have. Apparently the dealership should have given me a "receipt paper" but I didn't even get that. I didn't think to photo document the two key FOB's, as they made it seem like lease returns were quick, easy and routine.

Finance and dealership pointing fingers at each other instead of resolving it. I'm not getting in the middle. I'll tell them to pound sand and figure it out amongst themselves.

Sandman6472

Fixed my password here again, why does this same issue always happen and why can't Edmunds get software that works? A shame that such a big company has Mickey Mouse software, honestly.
At work, drove a 2019 Rav4 yesterday and even though it was an LE model, it was very nice and handled very well. No Sat radio but the Apple Car Play worked flawlessly and now that the Apple tech walked me through getting the rest of my iTunes library on my phone, it's so much better and now have almost 900 songs to listen to. For an LE, the fabric on the seats was very grippy and something I could live with if I had to. There were soft plastics where they needed to be and the harder ones were tastefully done. Ergonomics were first rate and acceleration was about perfect and never felt under powered. Had driven an RR Evoque earlier in the day and though nice, I'd rather have a Rav4 to be honest as the controls were so much easier to use. It was an easier vehicle to drive also.
Still getting 2019 models in but suspect that the 2020's will be showing up soon. We're bringing a lot of turn back's and wholesales down to Miami for them to be sent on their way. Looks like I'm staying at my old office for the time being and working at the new one on Saturday's from 9 to noon, which has been my choice. Did miss a road trip to Ft. Myers on Tuesday as I had the driveway re-done plus a new kitchen faucet installed while the wife and daughter #2 were up in the mountains in Helen Georgia on a short vacation. I wasn't invited, so I had these few things taken care of with just the side pathway left to do for this years honey-do list.

mjfloyd1

andres3 said:

As I suspected, the 2nd key fob is on craigslist or ebay, or already sold. The dealership says they received 1, both on their "paper" and on their "photo" they send to Kia Finance. Funny, how come I don't get the paper nor the photo when I return the vehicle. In the interest of full disclosure, they should probably share this with the customer.

I was sent packing with no paper. If the Kia was stolen and they claimed I never returned the car, I have photo documentation showing it in their parking lot the date I returned it. That's all I have. Apparently the dealership should have given me a "receipt paper" but I didn't even get that. I didn't think to photo document the two key FOB's, as they made it seem like lease returns were quick, easy and routine.

Finance and dealership pointing fingers at each other instead of resolving it. I'm not getting in the middle. I'll tell them to pound sand and figure it out amongst themselves.

Did you take a picture of the two keyfobs?

28firefighter

Somehow, I don't think this is a conspiracy for the dealer or KMF to screw with you. Annoying and bad customer service, but whenever I do lease returns I make sure they give me a written receipt of some kind indicating that the car was grounded, the condition (and I take pictures all around), and all the accessories that went back. It isn't because I think anyone will intentionally try to mess things up, but its an administrative process and things are bound to go awry. Don't get me started on returning cable boxes to Frontier...

andres3

28firefighter said:

Somehow, I don't think this is a conspiracy for the dealer or KMF to screw with you. Annoying and bad customer service, but whenever I do lease returns I make sure they give me a written receipt of some kind indicating that the car was grounded, the condition (and I take pictures all around), and all the accessories that went back. It isn't because I think anyone will intentionally try to mess things up, but its an administrative process and things are bound to go awry. Don't get me started on returning cable boxes to Frontier...

I specifically asked the lady, is there no paper work? She said "no, you're all done and all set." I took 2 photos of the car for my own sake, but I didn't think I had to take a picture of ever nook and cranny given the pre-inspection documentation.

Never thought to take pictures of both Key FOB's. I think Kia outsources disposition fees to a collection agency. That's the vibe I get for sure! They don't care about photos or documentation, only about getting their money. They want me to force the dealership to admit they lost it in writing, so they can demand $350 from them. I really don't feel like working for free.

Maybe there isn't someone selling Key FOB's every week at Kia, but it sure seems like it. It his horrible customer service putting me in the middle of this. I probably won't lease again just because of this, let alone mess with Kia ever again.

28firefighter

I don't think anyone is selling your key.

andres3

28firefighter said:

I don't think anyone is selling your key.

You think they lost it legitimately? Between the morning of 8/31 and 9/3 when they reported only 1 Key FOB, something happened. How does a dealership lose key FOB's?

mjfloyd1

And they call me Captain Obvious...

28firefighter

andres3 said:

28firefighter said:

I don't think anyone is selling your key.

You think they lost it legitimately? Between the morning of 8/31 and 9/3 when they reported only 1 Key FOB, something happened. How does a dealership lose key FOB's?

You should ask the sales folks that lose them all the time - this happens with NEW cars. Lots of inventory, lots of moving parts and the keys all look alike. It happens.

EDIT: This is also why when purchasing a new car, the advice is to make sure you have everything you were promised before you sign off on that We Owe sheet. Once you sign that you're agreeing that everything is as promised - anything you figure out after that and bring up with the dealer (lost keys or otherwise) is done out of the kindness of the dealer's heart.

marcogallo1986

Agreed on above!

marcogallo1986

@ondrays3 yes was just misplaced!

marcogallo1986

Alwas good to laff! I do dally. Best medison!

cdnpinhead

How does a dealership lose key FOBs?

Are you serious? Expecting competence by any person or organization that you haven't dealt with before labels you as incredibly naive or, well, just let's leave it at that..

xwesx

Every used car I've ever purchased (from a dealer), save one, has only come with one FOB. Ridiculous, IMO, but most likely more common than not. That one dealer was Gaier in Fort Loramie, OH. Also the best dealer interaction I've ever had. Good folk there.

andres3

cdnpinhead said:

How does a dealership lose key FOBs?

Are you serious? Expecting competence by any person or organization that you haven't dealt with before labels you as incredibly naive or, well, just let's leave it at that..

I work in construction, where things that are lost most likely grew legs and walked away, not just disappeared. Key FOB's are a fairly large object to be losing, I could see a key, a single key, but a Key FOB?

Everyone knows they cost $350, lol!

I think theft is more often the cause of "lost items" than people realize.

pensfan83

Nevermind

stickguy

should have hooked them together. At least eliminates the accidental separation!

I think a lot of newer used cars only come with 1 because they are ex rentals. You only ever get one key with those, so I always wondered where they keep the 2nd one. Some kind of cabinet at the home office? There must be thousands of spare keys floating around at Hertz and Avis.

nyccarguy

Tonight was “open school night” at my 13 year old son’s middle school. Parking lot is jammed. I see people are parked on the grass. My wife notices this too and says: don’t even think about parking on the grass! As I drive closer, there is a guy signaling cars to park on the grass. My 1st Off Road

tjc78

stickguy said:

should have hooked them together. At least eliminates the accidental separation!

I think a lot of newer used cars only come with 1 because they are ex rentals. You only ever get one key with those, so I always wondered where they keep the 2nd one. Some kind of cabinet at the home office? There must be thousands of spare keys floating around at Hertz and Avis.

My last couple rentals had both FOBs secured together on a locked ring. Made for a very inconvenient (big) key to carry around.

stickguy

I guess you bought the hot rod version? I mean, it has a hood scoop!

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

I guess you bought the hot rod version? I mean, it has a hood scoop!

I seriously detest fake hood scoops. I think it looks great on my truck!

ab348

For a minute I thought you entered it in a car show.

stickguy

the off roading would be more impressive, if you weren't parked over with a couple low riding sedans!

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

the off roading would be more impressive, if you weren't parked over with a couple low riding sedans!

I know. But I had much more fun driving and parking on the grass than the Corolla and the ES on either side of me.

qbrozen

Made an assist last night. My brother requested help finding a backup vehicle. I sent him 6 private party vehicles yesterday morn. He chose 2 to focus on: 2004 CRV with 115k miles and 2008 Nissan Quest 3.5S with 111k miles. Each a bit north of $3k. Honda sold by the afternoon, so he asked me to meet him at 7pm at the Quest owner’s house 30 mins from me. Long story short, we wound up buying it for $2750. Runs great, body is remarkably clean, and it is hard to argue the value. Let’s see how long it takes him to kill this one.

He is considering buying an additional. I sent him a former taxi C-max with 105k for $1850. I know nothing about them, though. Just thought it could be good value even if he gets just a year out pf it.