Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

that is cool. I don't trust it as far as I can throw it, but conceptually, I love it!

28firefighter

We had one years ago with tiptronic. Had a drivetrain clunk that was never able to be resolved and leaked oil more frequently than it didn’t. But it was darn quick and would have been way more fun with a 6spd.

qbrozen

Damn, I want this.

oldfarmer50

breld said:

I assume most of you have seen the official reveal of the 4.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32729913/2021-bmw-4-series-coupe-photos-info/

That grill is indeed shocking, but I suspect as you see more on the road it will become more normalized. You know, “new normal” and all that. 😀

Why should BMW be immune to the rush to see who can produce the ugliest grill?

oldfarmer50

28firefighter said:

BaT find:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-audi-allroad-11/

I’m impressed by BaT ability to make four owners and extensive repairs seem like a good thing. People would run if that description was on a Chevy Malibu on a B here P here lot.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

28firefighter said:

BaT find:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-audi-allroad-11/

I’m impressed by BaT ability to make four owners and extensive repairs seem like a good thing. People would run if that description was on a Chevy Malibu on a B here P here lot.

You need to throw logic and reason out the window when you are dealing with BaT sales. Look at these two recent Bronco sales, first a '73:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-ford-bronco-23/

Then a nice lo-miles '79, but really...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-ford-bronco-18/

graphicguy

breld said:

I assume most of you have seen the official reveal of the 4.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32729913/2021-bmw-4-series-coupe-photos-info/

That grill is indeed shocking, but I suspect as you see more on the road it will become more normalized. You know, “new normal” and all that. 😀

I like BMWs. And, I was a fan of the Acura Beak (one of the few). But, this? Oh my word!!!!!!!

graphicguy

qbrozen said:

Damn, I want this.

Wouldn’t be surprised if that ends up going for crazy money. I understand your attraction to it, though!

stickguy

that is super cool. being as I don't off road, would be even better with the standard suspension and wheels, and not goofy snorkle.

explorerx4

0 to 60 in 20 seconds?

stickguy

I’m not in a hurry. Not even anywhere to go these days! And not like you would take it on Long highway trips.

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explorerx4 said:

0 to 60 in 20 seconds?

downhill...

roadburner

ab348 said:

You need to throw logic and reason out the window when you are dealing with BaT sales. Look at these two recent Bronco sales, first a '73:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-ford-bronco-23/

Having inherited a '73 Bronco from my father, the adage "You can't polish a t*rd." comes to mind.

roadburner

Out of my price range, but I'd love to know the story on this M2.
Over $8K in CF accessories and just 68 miles on it.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

Out of my price range, but I'd love to know the story on this M2.
Over $8K in CF accessories and just 68 miles on it.

Sold by the dealer up by me. Will have to keep an eye out.

roadburner

It's where I bought my 2er; it had to be a special order- no way would a dealer load a car up like that(unless your NCM was leaving and wanted to poke the GM in the eye one last time- like what happened at my center).

jmonroe1

dad23 said:

explorerx4 said:

0 to 60 in 20 seconds?

downhill...

And with the wind.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

Out of my price range, but I'd love to know the story on this M2.
Over $8K in CF accessories and just 68 miles on it.

Maybe the owner ran out of things to modify and got bored the first week.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Maybe the owner ran out of things to modify and got bored the first week.

Nope; every accessory was port installed.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Maybe the owner ran out of things to modify and got bored the first week.

Nope; every accessory was port installed.

Oh I see, so they figured they’d cash in on some unsuspecting poser.

Or maybe they are waiting for Hoovie to show up. It seems he’ll buy anything.

https://youtu.be/v6Q3wlVwlWs

stickguy

maybe they rolled it out but financing fell through? Must be some reason. Or the dealer punched the ticket for some reason (an old Chrysler deal trick?)

stickguy

that sounds pretty cool actually.

mjfloyd1

roadburner said:

Out of my price range, but I'd love to know the story on this M2.
Over $8K in CF accessories and just 68 miles on it.

Carfax shows 311 miles on 12/6/2018. Error? Why would you roll back 243 miles??

andres3

https://audiclubna.org/find-of-the-day-2003-daytona-grey-audi-rs-6/?utm_source=BenchmarkEmail&utm_campaign=Unfair_Advantage_Week20_2020&utm_medium=email

Anyone feeling lucky; not sure how old this find of the day is....

corvette

andres3 said:

Anyone feeling lucky; not sure how old this find of the day is....

Not at that price, I don't. No clue what these go for, but it is due for another timing belt (10 years), might as well do the tensioner, water pump, and serpentine belt at the same time. No steering wheel audio controls with the sporty three spoke steering wheel? That said, it's gorgeous, the color reminds me of my Jetta GLI.

oldfarmer50

mjfloyd1 said:

roadburner said:

Out of my price range, but I'd love to know the story on this M2.
Over $8K in CF accessories and just 68 miles on it.

Carfax shows 311 miles on 12/6/2018. Error? Why would you roll back 243 miles??

I’ve noticed milage discrepancies on a number of dealer web sites. They’ll advertise one milage when the CarFax says something else. Usually it’s only a few miles but I’ve seen as much as 20k. Don’t know how that happens (sloppiness maybe) but it doesn’t engender trust.

benjaminh

In the video introducing the 2021 Acura TLX the project leader mentioned the A7 (msrp c.$75k) as something with similar proportions to the new TLX. And he seems to be right.



Audi A7
length 195.6
height 56.0
width without mirrors 75.1
weight 4332

2021 TLX
length 194.6
height 56.4
width 75.2
my guess is that the weight for the Type S will be about 4000. Base model probably c. 3600.

breld

Does Acura have any plans for the ILX or something of its size? If they could trickle down the aesthetics and powertrains of the new TLX to that entry level sedan, seems they could be successful.

stickguy

I think they need it. Likely with a small CUV version too of course. Or only!

fintail

Of course there will be CUVs, I don't know if Acura would be a going concern without them.

The fastback thing has gotten a little normcore now.

benjaminh

breld said:

Does Acura have any plans for the ILX or something of its size? If they could trickle down the aesthetics and powertrains of the new TLX to that entry level sedan, seems they could be successful.

Yes, it's just leaked that an all-new ILX-sized car is due in about a year. This car will also have a Type S model.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/06/type-s-almost-all-the-things-acuras-2022-product-line-leaked/

"So that means the TLX and MDX will get Type-S trims, along with the “New Compact Sedan”. The MDX and New Compact Sedan will follow the TLX in the launch order. The RDX and NSX aren’t listed before 2022.

Wait, what? No ILX?

Well, we don’t know. The lack of ILX nomenclature could mean a change in name, and speculation is rampant that the Integra name could return. That could revive interest in the brand – not everyone loves alphanumeric nomenclature."



There was a dealer webcast that leaked that's now been taken down. Here's a pic taken by someone else from that slideshow that I saw too...

benjaminh

In that webinar, which is the dealer-version in a sense of the official video released for the new TLX, but with some more info, they also released a chart of how the models for the new 2021 TLX will go. The new info is that the Tech model still exists, and was in fact projected to be the largest volume model. The Tech model with have an ELS sound system, but you'll need to go to the Advance to get the ELS 3-D system with 17 speakers and c. 600 watts of power (or whatever the figures turn out to be). To the surprise and concern of some at acurazine.com the Type S is built off of the A-spec, and not off of the Advance. This seems to imply that the Type S won't get the real wood found in the Advance, and also won't get ELS 3D.

But Acura told their dealers, to my surprise, that they expect the Type S to account for as much as 20% of the volume for the new TLX, although the total volume, as seen from the previous chart, is seemingly fairly realistic at only 40,000 or so cars a year. That would still be a big increase from 2019 when I think the current TLX sold maybe c. 30,000—if that. So why not build the Type S off of the Advance? Price. Acura is apparently aiming for a compelling price point thousands less than a comparably equipped BMW M340, which prices out at c. $62k with some options. And so maybe the TLX type S will be somewhere around $52k? Why not have an Advance Type S? Well, Honda corporate even before the crisis was saying that there were too many models of various vehicles, and that this needs to be slimmed down to control costs.

qbrozen

So I receive an email from CarGurus pointing out this new listing to me. I mention to the wife "geez, I can't believe how these have depreciated." Her response "so get it!"

her reasoning is that it is so cheap, paying a few thou in maintenance wouldn't be so bad. uhhhh.... huh.

stickguy

Lovely car!

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

So I receive an email from CarGurus pointing out this new listing to me. I mention to the wife "geez, I can't believe how these have depreciated." Her response "so get it!"

her reasoning is that it is so cheap, paying a few thou in maintenance wouldn't be so bad. uhhhh.... huh.

https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/esh/6324690044.html

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

So I receive an email from CarGurus pointing out this new listing to me. I mention to the wife "geez, I can't believe how these have depreciated." Her response "so get it!"

her reasoning is that it is so cheap, paying a few thou in maintenance wouldn't be so bad. uhhhh.... huh.

https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/esh/6324690044.html

I remember that one. But I would never get one with the F1/duoselect trans. I looked up the maintenance schedule for the ZF-equipped QP and it is really not bad at all. Just fluid and filter changes up until 100k, which then adds spark plugs.

benjaminh

Edmunds tells us what they like about Tesla....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2gPEkOw_Cg

nyccarguy

One of our favorite pastimes here on CCBA is spending other people’s money. My mother in law currently drive a 2017 Ford Edge SEL. It’s got leather, hot seats, navigation, sunroof... She’s currently paying $450 per month all in 36/15K including NY (Nassau County) taxes. She asked me the other day what she should look at when her lease is up in August. Something of a comparable SUV as far as the size of the Edge goes.

I told her she should absolutely look at a Volvo XC60 as she’s a healthcare worker and a Costco member, although I think those crazy Volvo deals will be gone by August.

I think she’d like the Passport too.

What else do you guys think?

corvette

Are there still lease deals on the Murano? The new Venza should be out then too.

nyccarguy

corvette said:

Are there still lease deals on the Murano? The new Venza should be out then too.

I’m sure the Venza won’t Lease particularly well at 1st. She won’t like the Murano.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

One of our favorite pastimes here on CCBA is spending other people’s money. My mother in law currently drive a 2017 Ford Edge SEL. It’s got leather, hot seats, navigation, sunroof... She’s currently paying $450 per month all in 36/15K including NY (Nassau County) taxes. She asked me the other day what she should look at when her lease is up in August. Something of a comparable SUV as far as the size of the Edge goes.

I told her she should absolutely look at a Volvo XC60 as she’s a healthcare worker and a Costco member, although I think those crazy Volvo deals will be gone by August.

I think she’d like the Passport too.

What else do you guys think?

will depend on August deals, of course, but I'd take a gander at the JGC, Blazer, Forester, and loaner X3.

kyfdx

VW Atlas is one of the top 10 highest percentage 2019 models left over. Might be some deals, there.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

One of our favorite pastimes here on CCBA is spending other people’s money. My mother in law currently drive a 2017 Ford Edge SEL. It’s got leather, hot seats, navigation, sunroof... She’s currently paying $450 per month all in 36/15K including NY (Nassau County) taxes. She asked me the other day what she should look at when her lease is up in August. Something of a comparable SUV as far as the size of the Edge goes.

I told her she should absolutely look at a Volvo XC60 as she’s a healthcare worker and a Costco member, although I think those crazy Volvo deals will be gone by August.

I think she’d like the Passport too.

What else do you guys think?

will depend on August deals, of course, but I'd take a gander at the JGC, Blazer, Forester, and loaner X3.

Th Jeep GC is a good idea. I've seen a few RS Blazers that are really sharp. Forester is a No Go. My FIL has an Outback and she wants to be different from him.

kyfdx

The Forester would be a big step down from an Edge, I would think.

Atlas Cross Sport?

(no idea how these lease.. )

$450/mo might be a tough number to hit, for the size CUV that she has been driving.

qbrozen

4runner SR5 is $320/mo for June, all in, for 36/10. But I assume that is too large for this grouping of SUVs.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

4runner SR5 is $320/mo for June, all in, for 36/10. But I assume that is too large for this grouping of SUVs.

Longer, but prob not any wider than an Edge.

I'd love to see the numbers on that lease..

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qbrozen said:

4runner SR5 is $320/mo for June, all in, for 36/10. But I assume that is too large for this grouping of SUVs.

Yeah, that sparked my interest, but is that 2WD?

qbrozen

So here is something else I am pondering. Through some poking around, I discovered this place not far from me that imports vehicles for you. I'm really not sure of all the expenses involved, so I'd have to reach out to them. But something like this really appeals to me.

They also use an auction site, where I found this gem. I REALLY like that, especially with the larger engine. But I missed the auction. It didn't sell, so maybe it will come back up.

kyfdx

dad23 said:

qbrozen said:

4runner SR5 is $320/mo for June, all in, for 36/10. But I assume that is too large for this grouping of SUVs.

Yeah, that sparked my interest, but is that 2WD?

SR5 is probably missing a lot of stuff you'd want, too.

28firefighter

Does she qualify for Volvo first responder and is she a costco member? Might be able to get a deal on an XC60 or XC90.