Deposit placed. Metallic white over black AWD (of course). No dealer fee! WHAT?! Yeah, that's what they wrote. So $47,295 plus DMV, which is usually about $395, and no tax.
The reason it is not for sale is the open recall. He says Ford isn't telling them the solution until 11/15. Hopefully it is something manageable. Otherwise, the deposit is refundable.
Dang. Maybe I should get one. I don't have any quick sale outlet up here, though.
Don’t worry about that. You need the car first then you can go out and find a buyer. Like they say in the car biz, “there’s a butt for every seat”. Although some fit better than others.
Go for it.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Also would lease only in this price range, so no EV credit for that.
The leasing company gets the $7,500 rebate, which they can pass on to you as a cap cost reduction if they choose. Audi did for the e-tron back in March. Companies may not do it now with the limited inventory.
Also, given the few amount of miles you drive, you could likely just use a standard 120V outlet. I had a dedicated 220V charger installed in my garage. I think the charger was $750, and the installation was about the same. Our electrical panel was in the basement right next to the garage though, so they only had to run pipe and wire about 25 feet.
My box is in the front corner of my garage. I would maybe have to run 1 foot of wire to the next stud to put in the outlet. that at least would be simple.
"Tesla beats Mercedes for No. 3 spot in U.S. luxury registrations through Sept. The EV maker is catching up with No. 2 Lexus and No. 1 BMW. November 09, 2021"
When the chip shortage eventually eases, if Mercedes and BMW want to limit output to boost their profits, well it looks like Tesla might be happy to fill the gap. Seems likely that Tesla will be #1 in luxury sales after their Texas factory gets up to full production, and once that happens it will be a challenge for anyone else to reclaim that spot again.
I know I’m in the minority, but I really feel like once the Covid hangover has ended the manufacturers will all go back to pre-pandemic tendencies.
Market share is huge and I just don’t see many companies wanting to take a back seat. Also, lower sales volumes contribute to lower overall company worth and stock prices, etc
My box is in the front corner of my garage. I would maybe have to run 1 foot of wire to the next stud to put in the outlet. that at least would be simple.
If the mach e comes true, it would be my 4th plug-in vehicle, with a 5th on the way. I may have to think about a 220 outlet. I don't need anything fancy so it wouldn't cost me much. I do have to run the wire pretty far, so that would be my biggest expense.
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If memory serves, the 240v chargers cost somewhere around $600-1,000 in parts. Not sure what it would cost to install a circuit and wire, but you could always move the charger to a new house and cover the wiring at the old place up with a blank plate.
Thats about what I was seeing on the charger cost and you are looking at another 500-1000 for the electrical run depending on how far from your box you want the plug. Of course if you are so inclined you can do it yourself but I don’t mess with that kind of electrical work.
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If you buy a charger, I'm pretty sure it is hard-wired rather than plugged in.
The easiest is to just install a NEMA 14-50 outlet, provided that connector comes with your car of choice.
That was my plan for the new build. But, the builder's electrician's quote was so outrageous, will review again after we move in.
And, since I'm driving a PHEV, 120 works fine; currently seems to charge 1.5-2 miles range/hour. And the A7e came with a plug for the 120 and the 240 (14-50) so no wall unit required. And, yes, you can get wall units that simply plug in to the 14-50, don't have to be hard wired.
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Yes. That's our Pilot. Towards the end of next month it will be 4 years old.
Thanks for asking about the Prelude. Drying out seems to have worked. The baking soda seems to have done its thing. I've also opened up (2) laundry pods and put them in a plastic container.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
@qbrozen said:
I'm looking at about $250 in parts for 50 feet of 6/3 wire and a wall box with 50A nema outlet.
I agree with that. I can’t understand why people are afraid to run an electrical line. If you don’t want to connect to the panel call an electrician to do that part and you’d still save a lot by doing that. If you hear electricians say they don’t want to touch someone else’s work keep calling. You’ll find one that will. It’s not rocket surgery, honest. Now, if you have thumbs that work like toes, you’re screwed.
I’d rather run electrical lines than water lines. Even pex can be a pain at times.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
@qbrozen said:
I'm looking at about $250 in parts for 50 feet of 6/3 wire and a wall box with 50A nema outlet.
50’ of 6/3 alone is over $250.
Wire prices are still nuts.
You got that right.
When Son#1 decided to buy flip house No. 3, I told him since it seems like you’re going to be in this biz you might as well buy 10 rolls of 14/2 romex (250 feet per roll) and 5 rolls of 12/2 romex and at least 3 rolls of 10/2 romex same number of feet per roll of those too. His response was, “man, that’s going to be well over a thousand bucks for that much wire”. My response was, “the price of copper ain’t going to go down. And if you decide to get out of the biz, you’ll easily be able to sell it and make money doing it”. He took my advice and when the price of romex almost doubled awhile back he said, “dammit, I should have bought more than what you said”. :@.
Now that he’s about to start on flip No. 4 he’s smiling about not having to buy wire for that house.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
That 6/3 might be oversized for a 50A circuit (never a bad thing). You can run that on a 60A or 75A breaker safely, so if you can program the box or car to draw more power based on those parameters, maybe you can get some use out of it! Otherwise, the same cable in 8/3 should do the trick.
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@qbrozen said:
I'm looking at about $250 in parts for 50 feet of 6/3 wire and a wall box with 50A nema outlet.
50’ of 6/3 alone is over $250.
Wire prices are still nuts.
You got that right.
When Son#1 decided to buy flip house No. 3, I told him since it seems like you’re going to be in this biz you might as well buy 10 rolls of 14/2 romex (250 feet per roll) and 5 rolls of 12/2 romex and at least 3 rolls of 10/2 romex same number of feet per roll of those too. His response was, “man, that’s going to be well over a thousand bucks for that much wire”. My response was, “the price of copper ain’t going to go down. And if you decide to get out of the biz, you’ll easily be able to sell it and make money doing it”. He took my advice and when the price of romex almost doubled awhile back he said, “dammit, I should have bought more than what you said”. :@.
Now that he’s about to start on flip No. 4 he’s smiling about not having to buy wire for that house.
jmonroe
Good call! At least lumber has come back down to normal.
That 6/3 might be oversized for a 50A circuit (never a bad thing). You can run that on a 60A or 75A breaker safely, so if you can program the box or car to draw more power based on those parameters, maybe you can get some use out of it! Otherwise, the same cable in 8/3 should do the trick.
I looked up "what to use for an EV" and that's what popped up. Like you said: can't hurt.
As for the breaker, I have that covered. I already have 220 running to my compressor, so I'd just tap off that. I know it should be dedicated, but I can easily make sure I use the compressor when the car is unplugged or topped off.
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As someone with a finished ceiling in the lower level, and a panel on the opposite side, the cost of the wire to the garage would be the least of my worries to put in a 240v charger.
Interesting on the Amazon page for that receptacle - there are umpteen other buying choices within a couple of $ of that one but the pictures for all of them are identical and the sellers all are in China, what a surprise. The only different one I saw was a couple of $ cheaper, Talon brand, but one of the reviews showed it had melted down.
Oh snap. Autolenders just hit me with $54k on my jeep. Daaaang. And I was like 3 days from Driveway picking it up for $53k. Had to tell them “sorry, but you been outbid.” Lol.
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Oh snap. Autolenders just hit me with $54k on my jeep. Daaaang. And I was like 3 days from Driveway picking it up for $53k. Had to tell them “sorry, but you been outbid.” Lol.
Wow, that would be a happy dance! Have you received an updated bid for the T&C?
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@qbrozen said:
I looked up "what to use for an EV" and that's what popped up. Like you said: can't hurt.
As for the breaker, I have that covered. I already have 220 running to my compressor, so I'd just tap off that. I know it should be dedicated, but I can easily make sure I use the compressor when the car is unplugged or topped off.
I like how you think. Something I would do for sure.
@qbrozen said:
I looked up "what to use for an EV" and that's what popped up. Like you said: can't hurt.
As for the breaker, I have that covered. I already have 220 running to my compressor, so I'd just tap off that. I know it should be dedicated, but I can easily make sure I use the compressor when the car is unplugged or topped off.
No problem. If you forget the breaker will trip. That’s what they’re there for; to protect dopes.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Those shirts were "L" as the "M" was a bit too tight...I like the extra room in my shirts so I always go up one size. After about a week now, am so glad I gave my notice to Toyota. Now that it's getting dark by 5:45, working till 6:30 would've been a nightmare! Though most days, we were done by 5:45, there were a couple where I was out till 6:15 and a couple till after 7. But, I know now leaving was the best thing for me to do honestly. Proved to myself that I could do it, but no longer am willing o work over 40 hours a week. I'll be retiring again probably by the time I'm 70 anyways.
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@Sandman6472 said:
Those shirts were "L" as the "M" was a bit too tight...I like the extra room in my shirts so I always go up one size. After about a week now, am so glad I gave my notice to Toyota. Now that it's getting dark by 5:45, working till 6:30 would've been a nightmare! Though most days, we were done by 5:45, there were a couple where I was out till 6:15 and a couple till after 7. But, I know now leaving was the best thing for me to do honestly. Proved to myself that I could do it, but no longer am willing o work over 40 hours a week. I'll be retiring again probably by the time I'm 70 anyways.
Are you trying to tell us you’re afraid of the dark but not coming right out and saying it?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
As someone with a finished ceiling in the lower level, and a panel on the opposite side, the cost of the wire to the garage would be the least of my worries to put in a 240v charger.
You can always just run the wire in one of those spiffy looking gray PVC conduits on the outside of the house and avoid dealing with that headache. Like, share, and subscribe to my channel for more outdoor decorating tips!
Calling most of the lower range/popular Teslas "luxury" involves some creative vocabulary, if not mental gymnastics by those making the classifications.
"Tesla beats Mercedes for No. 3 spot in U.S. luxury registrations through Sept. The EV maker is catching up with No. 2 Lexus and No. 1 BMW. November 09, 2021"
When the chip shortage eventually eases, if Mercedes and BMW want to limit output to boost their profits, well it looks like Tesla might be happy to fill the gap. Seems likely that Tesla will be #1 in luxury sales after their Texas factory gets up to full production, and once that happens it will be a challenge for anyone else to reclaim that spot again.
I just like daylight savings time so much better to be honest. Honestly, I should never have taken that shuttle driver gig in the first place. I was fine working the three days, and no customers to deal with. Guess I'm just getting a bit older and getting closer to retiring again and staying that way. Giving myself another three years or so till that happens.
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Don't worry about charging, you're only going to drive it once a month.
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Go for it.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Also, given the few amount of miles you drive, you could likely just use a standard 120V outlet. I had a dedicated 220V charger installed in my garage. I think the charger was $750, and the installation was about the same. Our electrical panel was in the basement right next to the garage though, so they only had to run pipe and wire about 25 feet.
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"Tesla beats Mercedes for No. 3 spot in U.S. luxury registrations through Sept.
The EV maker is catching up with No. 2 Lexus and No. 1 BMW.
November 09, 2021"
When the chip shortage eventually eases, if Mercedes and BMW want to limit output to boost their profits, well it looks like Tesla might be happy to fill the gap. Seems likely that Tesla will be #1 in luxury sales after their Texas factory gets up to full production, and once that happens it will be a challenge for anyone else to reclaim that spot again.
I know I’m in the minority, but I really feel like once the Covid hangover has ended the manufacturers will all go back to pre-pandemic tendencies.
Market share is huge and I just don’t see many companies wanting to take a back seat. Also, lower sales volumes contribute to lower overall company worth and stock prices, etc
Maybe I’m way off, but only time will tell.
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I’m with ya
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BTW, how did the drying out of the Prelude go? Any weird smells?
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And $50k is a bit out of my price range for a spare car I’m afraid to take anyplace!
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The easiest is to just install a NEMA 14-50 outlet, provided that connector comes with your car of choice.
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Chargers can be hard wired or plug in
From what I’ve seen many plug in and are hung on the wall.
If we ever go EV, like Stick my my panel is in the garage and I’ll be able to install the outlet myself.
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Mine is hardwired but yes, I could have done an outlet instead and just bought the outlet model. I have a Juicebox.
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And, since I'm driving a PHEV, 120 works fine; currently seems to charge 1.5-2 miles range/hour. And the A7e came with a plug for the 120 and the 240 (14-50) so no wall unit required. And, yes, you can get wall units that simply plug in to the 14-50, don't have to be hard wired.
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Yes. That's our Pilot. Towards the end of next month it will be 4 years old.
Thanks for asking about the Prelude. Drying out seems to have worked. The baking soda seems to have done its thing. I've also opened up (2) laundry pods and put them in a plastic container.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
50’ of 6/3 alone is over $250.
Wire prices are still nuts.
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plus tax and shipping comes to $209.
then there is this for $41.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P2L6GKM/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A27CRRK3EEHNT8&psc=1
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I agree with that. I can’t understand why people are afraid to run an electrical line. If you don’t want to connect to the panel call an electrician to do that part and you’d still save a lot by doing that. If you hear electricians say they don’t want to touch someone else’s work keep calling. You’ll find one that will. It’s not rocket surgery, honest. Now, if you have thumbs that work like toes, you’re screwed.
I’d rather run electrical lines than water lines. Even pex can be a pain at times.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
That’s a good price for the wire. HD or Lowes is $275 for a 50’ coil of 6/3
Don’t forget to order a new breaker.
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You got that right.
When Son#1 decided to buy flip house No. 3, I told him since it seems like you’re going to be in this biz you might as well buy 10 rolls of 14/2 romex (250 feet per roll) and 5 rolls of 12/2 romex and at least 3 rolls of 10/2 romex same number of feet per roll of those too. His response was, “man, that’s going to be well over a thousand bucks for that much wire”. My response was, “the price of copper ain’t going to go down. And if you decide to get out of the biz, you’ll easily be able to sell it and make money doing it”. He took my advice and when the price of romex almost doubled awhile back he said, “dammit, I should have bought more than what you said”. :@.
Now that he’s about to start on flip No. 4 he’s smiling about not having to buy wire for that house.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Good call! At least lumber has come back down to normal.
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As for the breaker, I have that covered. I already have 220 running to my compressor, so I'd just tap off that. I know it should be dedicated, but I can easily make sure I use the compressor when the car is unplugged or topped off.
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Oh snap. Autolenders just hit me with $54k on my jeep. Daaaang. And I was like 3 days from Driveway picking it up for $53k. Had to tell them “sorry, but you been outbid.” Lol.
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I like how you think. Something I would do for sure.
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Only sold one to them, but yes very easy to deal with.
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Are you using conduit for the 220 line?
No problem. If you forget the breaker will trip. That’s what they’re there for; to protect dopes.
jmonroe
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Are you trying to tell us you’re afraid of the dark but not coming right out and saying it?
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)