Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

ab348

I'm starting to think Ford may have sparked a fundamental change in the market here. Some fairly large percentage of pickup sales are of the battleship-class fullsizers, which most people do not need for running to the mall. But given the small price difference between those and the only slightly smaller mid-size pickups like Ranger and Colorado, and the deals that are found on the big ones fairly often, that has driven those sales. Here comes Ford with an even smaller pickup that drives largely like a car or CUV at a very fair price that will meet the needs of a great many existing full-size buyers and perhaps even appeal to some of them more because of the compact size. I can see this newish segment getting competitive.

corvette

If the Maverick's payload capacity is 1,500 pounds, does that make it a 3/4 ton truck?

stickguy

Looks like my exact truck, other than the hybrid. FWD, carbonite gray, lariat.

And the reason the rear suspension is different has nothing to do with being hybrid. AWD and FWD have different rear suspension designs.

I’ve watched a number of reviews like this. Ford really has seemed to do a good job making the design sturdy, and easy to work on. Should be cheap to keep.

stickguy

I also agree there was a big pent up demand sport something like this. I was never buying a new full size model. And the Maverick at least fits in the garage!

This segment is going to expand quickly I bet.

stickguy

corvette said:

If the Maverick's payload capacity is 1,500 pounds, does that make it a 3/4 ton truck?

Technically. Sure!

breld

@ab348 said:
I'm starting to think Ford may have sparked a fundamental change in the market here. Some fairly large percentage of pickup sales are of the battleship-class fullsizers, which most people do not need for running to the mall. But given the small price difference between those and the only slightly smaller mid-size pickups like Ranger and Colorado, and the deals that are found on the big ones fairly often, that has driven those sales. Here comes Ford with an even smaller pickup that drives largely like a car or CUV at a very fair price that will meet the needs of a great many existing full-size buyers and perhaps even appeal to some of them more because of the compact size. I can see this newish segment getting competitive.

Well put. A useful, practical vehicle in a popular segment, at a price less than the current average cost of cars? Hopefully that’s a trend.

sda

stickguy said:

Looks like my exact truck, other than the hybrid. FWD, carbonite gray, lariat.

And the reason the rear suspension is different has nothing to do with being hybrid. AWD and FWD have different rear suspension designs.

I’ve watched a number of reviews like this. Ford really has seemed to do a good job making the design sturdy, and easy to work on. Should be cheap to keep.

For some reason, probably poor memory, I thought you had ordered a blue Maverick. I do like the carbonite gray. Did you order the Hybrid with the same spec?

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

Looks like my exact truck, other than the hybrid. FWD, carbonite gray, lariat.

And the reason the rear suspension is different has nothing to do with being hybrid. AWD and FWD have different rear suspension designs.

I’ve watched a number of reviews like this. Ford really has seemed to do a good job making the design sturdy, and easy to work on. Should be cheap to keep for now.

stickguy

I was thinking blue first but switched to gray. At least saved $395.

I should have ordered the hybrid the same but went with an XLT with luxury package instead for some reason. Same color. Which probably won’t arrive until August or September at this point.

jmonroe1

corvette said:

If the Maverick's payload capacity is 1,500 pounds, does that make it a 3/4 ton truck?

That’s a lotta TP from Costco/Sam’s.

jmonroe

stickguy

So much for shipping delays. My tonneau cover showed up today. About a week instead of the month the guy at the website said it was taking. Now I’m sorry I didn’t have the bed lined this week so I can put it on!

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

So much for shipping delays. My tonneau cover showed up today. About a week instead of the month the guy at the website said it was taking. Now I’m sorry I didn’t have the bed lined this week so I can put it on!

I thought you knew you have to put the horse in front of the cart.

jmonroe

corvette

Hoovie just posted a video of a Subaru Baja turbo. The turbo Maverick seems better all around.

andres3

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

If you are in the business of ramming other vehicles and/or walls front first and rear-ending things, by all means. But if you are more likely to be rear-ended, then you've just reversed the forces on the head in the wrong direction....

I know which one has happened more often in my lifetime. As I said, it's based on a pathetic "average" driver that causes far too many collisions.

There are both coup and contra coup forces.

I don’t think anyone is “in the business of ramming other vehicles”, but I digress.

Perhaps the NHTSA should consult @andres3 for an in depth analysis of crashes caused by pathetic average drivers?

Ahhh... the NHTSA, the same organization that refuses to discern between a lack of seat belt use and speeding as a speeding-related fatality? Even though it forms nearly half their data set? Excellent way to double pad the numbers, but really? I mean come on NHTSA.... How many years in a row will they continue with the absolute gibberish and misinformation campaign?

I've been calling them out for it for years now.

The stupidity of not wearing a seat belt is not the same as speeding. Even if you consider it stupid to speed, it's a different kind of stupidity than not wearing your seat belt while driving.

stickguy

corvette said:

Hoovie just posted a video of a Subaru Baja turbo. The turbo Maverick seems better all around.

At least less rusty! Maverick is a truck with a shorter bed. Santa Cruz is a recreation of the Baja. IMO.

28firefighter

I wonder how I would do driving an Elantra N for 3 months....

au1994

28firefighter said:

I wonder how I would do driving an Elantra N for 3 months....

One way to find out…

explorerx4

I just saw an Elantra N about 15 minutes ago, first one I have seen.

mjfloyd1

I’m not doing very good at resisting.

X3m40i white/ cognac or m340 x drive mineral grey / mocha or m440 grand coupe x drive white/ cognac?

X3m40i would be order and can’t get HK stereo or extended shadow line. Probably get perforated pleather- could get cognac or red.

M340x drive has black wheels that I’m not a fan of. Has extended shadow line and leather

M440 has extended shadow line and leather

au1994

M440. Good color combo and I like the swoopier lines of the Gran Coupe.

28firefighter

Partial to the M440, personally.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

I also agree there was a big pent up demand sport something like this. I was never buying a new full size model. And the Maverick at least fits in the garage!

This segment is going to expand quickly I bet.

Since the Maverick is about the same size as the old Ranger maybe Ford shouldn’t have stopped production after 2011, just updated it.

oldfarmer50

corvette said:

Hoovie just posted a video of a Subaru Baja turbo. The turbo Maverick seems better all around.

Especially since the Maverick doesn’t come completely rusted to heck.

explorerx4

Ford made a lot more money selling F 150's instead of Rangers.

mjfloyd1

M440 even with the huge nostrils?

kyfdx

mjfloyd1 said:

M440 even with the huge nostrils?

Not me... maybe, in three or four years, once it's "grown" on me.

mjfloyd1

If i do it, it will be x3m40i as I need the ground clearance. So maybe just keep the Jeep?

The m440 has summer tires.

M340 has black wheels

Please talk me out of this.....

28firefighter

@mjfloyd1 said:

Please talk me out of this.....

I’m sorry, I don’t speak Spanish.

mjfloyd1

Speak louder then....

breld

mjfloyd1 said:

If i do it, it will be x3m40i as I need the ground clearance. So maybe just keep the Jeep?

The m440 has summer tires.

M340 has black wheels

Please talk me out of this.....

M440 - I don't mind the nostrils.

So you're having some X3m40i withdrawals too?

mjfloyd1

White with giant black nostrils…

I did like the X3m40i except the non perforated pleather.

4xe was a good deal. It does drive nice though and the electric use if in town is great for costs.

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
Ford made a lot more money selling F 150's instead of Rangers.

Would Ford make any money without the F150?

qbrozen

Mach-e went bye-bye today. Driver had a Camaro on his truck, too. I didn’t get close but I did not hear a v8 when he started it to make room. Driver asked “wasn’t I just here?” I said I dunno, did he pick up my jeep? “Yeah, yeah, it was a jeep.” So I explained this was the replacement and maybe he’d be back again soon for a TRX.

kyfdx

This seems too cheap
@stickguy

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-toyota-cressida-2/

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

Mach-e went bye-bye today. Driver had a Camaro on his truck, too. I didn’t get close but I did not hear a v8 when he started it to make room. Driver asked “wasn’t I just here?” I said I dunno, did he pick up my jeep? “Yeah, yeah, it was a jeep.” So I explained this was the replacement and maybe he’d be back again soon for a TRX.

While I know the number of people flipping Stellantis cars right now is relatively small, I think the public talk about it on various forums is going to kill it - lots of talk on LH and elsewhere about cancelled orders. It isn't good.

stickguy

so Q might be keeping a TRX for a while? There are worse fates I guess.

stickguy

kyfdx said:

This seems too cheap
@stickguy

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-toyota-cressida-2/

Not exactly my thing, but that does seem like a pretty good deal. But what are you going to do with it? Still, if it was a 5 speed, why not! Other than the rat belts. I would never buy a car with them. Hate those things.

mjfloyd1

I’m thinking that Jeep depreciation will be less than BMW depreciation.... still wondering about plug in hybrid depreciation...

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

@28firefighter said:

The coveted @roadburner seal of approval!

Wait a minute, it doesn’t have the track and cooling package

It has the M Sport brakes, so it gets a pass...

mjfloyd1

@roadburner said:
It has the M Sport brakes, so it gets a pass...

I do not see you chucking it around Putnam park

28firefighter

Reached out on an Elantra N. “MSRP + $1097 in accessories.”

What are the accessories on a car that hasn’t even hit the lot? pulse (that ridiculous 3rd brake light flash thing) and some all weather package.

Hyundai is gonna Hyundai…

stickguy

that's the dealer, not Hyundai. And they are far from the only dealerships doing it.

actually, seems like majority of dealerships already had these packages. They may have jacked the price a bit, but mostly, just much less likely to negotiate it away.

28firefighter

@stickguy said:
that's the dealer, not Hyundai. And they are far from the only dealerships doing it.

actually, seems like majority of dealerships already had these packages. They may have jacked the price a bit, but mostly, just much less likely to negotiate it away.

This is a hallmark of Hyundai and Kia dealers. I’d rather they just charge $1k over MSRP and NOT install garbage I don’t want.

qbrozen

@28firefighter said:
While I know the number of people flipping Stellantis cars right now is relatively small, I think the public talk about it on various forums is going to kill it - lots of talk on LH and elsewhere about cancelled orders. It isn't good.

Yup. Been reading those. My TRX is built and awaiting transpo to the dealer but they certainly could cancel my Jeeps. I’d be disappointed but it aint the end of the world. As for the TRX, they can’t force me to keep it. I’ll just pay cash and do what the heck I want.

stickguy

qbrozen said:

@28firefighter said:

While I know the number of people flipping Stellantis cars right now is relatively small, I think the public talk about it on various forums is going to kill it - lots of talk on LH and elsewhere about cancelled orders. It isn't good.

Yup. Been reading those. My TRX is built and awaiting transpo to the dealer but they certainly could cancel my Jeeps. I’d be disappointed but it aint the end of the world. As for the TRX, they can’t force me to keep it. I’ll just pay cash and do what the heck I want.

if you pay for it of course you can. I can't see them cancelling your JEEP order though. I assumed if they changed anything, it was just being able to flip leases which most of the action seemed to be.

That and grabbing the EV tax credits now (and with JEEP, both.)

kyfdx

If we had the ZERO sales tax like NJ, I'd be all over the purchase and flip

venture

mjfloyd1 said:

White with giant black nostrils…

I did like the X3m40i except the non perforated pleather.

4xe was a good deal. It does drive nice though and the electric use if in town is great for costs.

Train your dog.

qbrozen

kyfdx said:

If we had the ZERO sales tax like NJ, I'd be all over the purchase and flip

what vehicle would you choose?

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

kyfdx said:

If we had the ZERO sales tax like NJ, I'd be all over the purchase and flip

what vehicle would you choose?

The 4XE, assuming no tax. If that one is taxed, then the Mach-E

stickguy

I saw a Mach E at the market this morning. It really is a good looking car.