Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

au1994

stickguy said:

Also really glad I took the one I did, instead of waiting for the 2nd one.

Are you still enjoying it? It really seems like a good little package.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

I have bought and sold many a car through private transactions, I was doing so a long time before Craigslist or even the internet. And I’ve never really had an unpleasant or scary experience. One transaction did cause me some problems further down the road. I sold the 2008 Passat when it was 5 years old, so roughly in 2013. A guy came to my house, drove it, wanted it, and asked me to hold it. He was back an hour later with $8,000 in hundred dollar bills, fresh from the bank. I signed over the title and signed the title transfer form, and away he went. My mistake was in not getting his signature on anything that I kept.

Fast forward 15 months (yes, 15 months, well over a year) and I get a bill from the toll road authority for around $150. Seems the new owner had gone through a number of toll booths without paying, with the same license plates, and had never transferred the title. According to my records, the license plates were expired nearly a full year before this incident with the toll booths. I fought with the toll road authority for quite a while, but in the end I had to pay up. The state did remove the car and plates from my name after I called them so that it would not happen again.

And oh yeah, the $8k in cash? When I went to deposit that in my credit union, they had to take my picture so they could report the transaction. Sheesh. Big time drug trafficker, that’s me!

In my state the seller keeps the plates and the new owner has to get his own. What we have to do is scrape the registration sticker off the windshield so no one can drive around with the old one.

I’m surprised they took your picture for $8k. They only have to report over $10k to the feds unless they think you’re structuring multiple smaller amounts. My hoopties usually sell for so little that nobody cares.

I also thought the threshold was $10k. I asked the lady who ran the credit union, whom I have known for better than 20 years, and she said the amount was lowered after 9/11.

Nothing I could research indicates that is true. Sounds like that bank was being overly cautious. You’re not in the money laundering business are you?

Government intrusion into my personal banking is a sore point with me. My bank accounts predate 911 and I never realized that when you open an account these days your information is compared to a plethora of government watch lists. Banks are also mandated to monitor “suspicious” activity and rat you out. I’ve read several cases where small cash businesses were ruined by the IRS when deposits of their cash receipts were deemed structuring.

I guess from now on I’ll keep my cash in a sock under the mattress.

stickguy

I do really like it. Very enjoyable and practical.

sda

stickguy said:

Also really glad I took the one I did, instead of waiting for the 2nd one.

I really like yours. Did you post pictures of the interior or did I miss them somehow?

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

Had my yearly evaluation at work last week and everything worked out great. Boss was happy with my performance and my willingness to work whenever needed, called me a great team player, which I appreciated. Getting a $.25 raise started soon which I'll happily take. We get another dollar raise come August like we did last year I've heard. This year will be the first year I'll be eligible for profit sharing, a perk I've never got before. Am also enrolled in their 401K program, again, something I've never gotten before. Enterprise is such a much better company to work for and with just over two years there, was the best move I've ever made, bar none!
Someone I haven't worked with for awhile asked me if I'm still working at the Toyota store and was quite surprised when I told him I left there the beginning of November. He asked me why and told him with both gigs, was just too many hours and it took a huge toll on my health. Maybe me getting vertigo wasn't a direct result of it, but felt working all those hours wore me out to where I got the vertigo. Felt it was a sign to make a life change and it was easy to decide which job had to go! And looking back three months later, was definitely the right decision to leave!

I just had my annual review as well. Kind of a joke at our level since if you screw up they yell at you there and then. I doubt anyone is worrying how a bad review is going to affect their “career”. I’m not there to get my ego stroked but it’s nice to get a well done pat on the back.

I got a laugh at one performance category—not losing the ez passes, gate keys or transport plates. Very modest requirements. I mentioned to the boss that I should get points for not crashing any cars as well.

stickguy

sda said:

stickguy said:

Also really glad I took the one I did, instead of waiting for the 2nd one.

I really like yours. Did you post pictures of the interior or did I miss them somehow?

Don’t think so. But I can try to get some later.

Also finally getting to the spray it off place to remove all the salt. Way overdue. Won’t be doing it in the driveway since we are still piled up with snow!

carnaught

au1994 said:

Sorry to hear @breld.

Glad you are ok and its a minor ding. Hopefully not too much of a PITA to deal with!

+1

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

I have bought and sold many a car through private transactions, I was doing so a long time before Craigslist or even the internet. And I’ve never really had an unpleasant or scary experience. One transaction did cause me some problems further down the road. I sold the 2008 Passat when it was 5 years old, so roughly in 2013. A guy came to my house, drove it, wanted it, and asked me to hold it. He was back an hour later with $8,000 in hundred dollar bills, fresh from the bank. I signed over the title and signed the title transfer form, and away he went. My mistake was in not getting his signature on anything that I kept.

Fast forward 15 months (yes, 15 months, well over a year) and I get a bill from the toll road authority for around $150. Seems the new owner had gone through a number of toll booths without paying, with the same license plates, and had never transferred the title. According to my records, the license plates were expired nearly a full year before this incident with the toll booths. I fought with the toll road authority for quite a while, but in the end I had to pay up. The state did remove the car and plates from my name after I called them so that it would not happen again.

And oh yeah, the $8k in cash? When I went to deposit that in my credit union, they had to take my picture so they could report the transaction. Sheesh. Big time drug trafficker, that’s me!

In my state the seller keeps the plates and the new owner has to get his own. What we have to do is scrape the registration sticker off the windshield so no one can drive around with the old one.

I’m surprised they took your picture for $8k. They only have to report over $10k to the feds unless they think you’re structuring multiple smaller amounts. My hoopties usually sell for so little that nobody cares.

I also thought the threshold was $10k. I asked the lady who ran the credit union, whom I have known for better than 20 years, and she said the amount was lowered after 9/11.

Nothing I could research indicates that is true. Sounds like that bank was being overly cautious. You’re not in the money laundering business are you?

Government intrusion into my personal banking is a sore point with me. My bank accounts predate 911 and I never realized that when you open an account these days your information is compared to a plethora of government watch lists. Banks are also mandated to monitor “suspicious” activity and rat you out. I’ve read several cases where small cash businesses were ruined by the IRS when deposits of their cash receipts were deemed structuring.

I guess from now on I’ll keep my cash in a sock under the mattress.

https://money.usnews.com/banking/articles/if-you-deposit-a-lot-of-cash-does-your-bank-report-it-to-the-government

"Suspicious activity in excess of $5,000 detected by the bank or an institution is also required to be reported,"

I guess I looked "suspicious". Personally, I never liked under the mattress. My grandmother used a coffee can buried in the back yard, and what was good enough for her ...

andres3

Michaell said:

tjc78 said:

Makes sense. The leasing companies are taking all the fun out of this!

In all fairness, they are the owners of the vehicle, when you lease.

I believe it stems from a system so deliberately convoluted, complicated, and confusing that they are able to take advantage of people, but so too, can people take advantage of the finance companies that do leases.

andres3

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

I have bought and sold many a car through private transactions, I was doing so a long time before Craigslist or even the internet. And I’ve never really had an unpleasant or scary experience. One transaction did cause me some problems further down the road. I sold the 2008 Passat when it was 5 years old, so roughly in 2013. A guy came to my house, drove it, wanted it, and asked me to hold it. He was back an hour later with $8,000 in hundred dollar bills, fresh from the bank. I signed over the title and signed the title transfer form, and away he went. My mistake was in not getting his signature on anything that I kept.

Fast forward 15 months (yes, 15 months, well over a year) and I get a bill from the toll road authority for around $150. Seems the new owner had gone through a number of toll booths without paying, with the same license plates, and had never transferred the title. According to my records, the license plates were expired nearly a full year before this incident with the toll booths. I fought with the toll road authority for quite a while, but in the end I had to pay up. The state did remove the car and plates from my name after I called them so that it would not happen again.

And oh yeah, the $8k in cash? When I went to deposit that in my credit union, they had to take my picture so they could report the transaction. Sheesh. Big time drug trafficker, that’s me!

In my state the seller keeps the plates and the new owner has to get his own. What we have to do is scrape the registration sticker off the windshield so no one can drive around with the old one.

I’m surprised they took your picture for $8k. They only have to report over $10k to the feds unless they think you’re structuring multiple smaller amounts. My hoopties usually sell for so little that nobody cares.

I also thought the threshold was $10k. I asked the lady who ran the credit union, whom I have known for better than 20 years, and she said the amount was lowered after 9/11.

Nothing I could research indicates that is true. Sounds like that bank was being overly cautious. You’re not in the money laundering business are you?

Government intrusion into my personal banking is a sore point with me. My bank accounts predate 911 and I never realized that when you open an account these days your information is compared to a plethora of government watch lists. Banks are also mandated to monitor “suspicious” activity and rat you out. I’ve read several cases where small cash businesses were ruined by the IRS when deposits of their cash receipts were deemed structuring.

I guess from now on I’ll keep my cash in a sock under the mattress.

https://money.usnews.com/banking/articles/if-you-deposit-a-lot-of-cash-does-your-bank-report-it-to-the-government

"Suspicious activity in excess of $5,000 detected by the bank or an institution is also required to be reported,"

I guess I looked "suspicious". Personally, I never liked under the mattress. My grandmother used a coffee can buried in the back yard, and what was good enough for her ...

I moved $10K from one account to another so I must be peddling drugs, or paying for an Audi motor.

corvette

Paging @qbrozen to the white courtesy phone…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMysZ_ZfG6s

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

tjc78 said:

Makes sense. The leasing companies are taking all the fun out of this!

In all fairness, they are the owners of the vehicle, when you lease.

Owners usually pay for what they have but since it’s a bank they change the rules. You pay and they try to keep you from making a buck. Like I’ve said before it’s tough to out-bank a bank.

jmonroe

And when you do out bank the bank, they go crying to Uncle Sam for bailouts, and apparently get them every time they ask.

corvette

@stickguy - there are reports on the Maverick boards that people with hybrid orders (some dating back to June 2021) are being asked to remove options from their build or else they will have to wait for a 2023 model, although I think they are honoring whatever price was agreed upon.

oldfarmer50

breld said:

I sure wish people would invest in something as fundamental as decent tires.

Snow started falling this evening, roads were merely slushy, so I head out to go to my neighborhood gym so I don’t have to venture out tomorrow.

Stopped at a light in my nice new X5, and got rear-ended by a Grand Cherokee. Low speed, not much damage, but the rear bumper definitely has some damage, which I assume means a whole new bumper cover.

Guy was nice enough and apologetic. We exchanged all the pertinent information, and I still went on to my Orange Theory class.

Bummer.

Boy that stinks. The new one too.

andres3

Sandman6472 said:

Am pretty sure that the new Honda HR-V will be more to my liking. I do like power at the low end to be honest and think my turbo has spoiled me. Lately, I've been keeping it in the "S" mode while in Drive so I lose the slight turbo lag which suits me just fine. Sure, it holds the revs longer before downshifting but for the added power, seems to be a good trade off. And I'm probably wasting a bit of petrol doing this but, for the amount of miles I'm putting on each week, ain't really that bad. By mid February, I'll be hitting 70K which averages out to just under 10K/year.
Might have to get my mechanic to check on why the brake pedal is so low, I like a high pedal and feel more secure with one. My co-worker who drove it says it stops fine but did notice it does go a bit low. Since it looks like it'll be staying for the forseeable future, getting new brakes might just be something worthwhile. Right now, that's about the only issue except the strut holding up the front hood and replacing all the windshield wipers. Not due for an oil change quite yet.

If you enjoy the power it's not what I would call "wasted" petrol. It's used for smiles per gallon rather than miles per gallon. Some cars are better at one than the other.

jmonroe1

@graphicguy said:
I wish. I’m a fan, but there’s a financial limit to my fandom. I’ve already spent more the past couple of weeks than I had planned to. Good think I’m not married, or I might be in trouble.
Walt…don’t know if you’ve heard/seen the advertisements for “packages” to go to the SuperBowl around town. I have a friend who bought one of them. Round trip airfare from CVG to LAX, 3 nights lodging in LA, welcome dinner, tix to the game….price?

$10K

He says he thinks it’s a deal. I view it as the price of a brand new big screen home theater system.

All about perspective.

Look at the bright side of this. If you were married and spent 10 grand for a Super Bowl package, you’d be single again.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@oldfarmer50 said:
Nothing I could research indicates that is true. Sounds like that bank was being overly cautious. You’re not in the money laundering business are you?

Government intrusion into my personal banking is a sore point with me. My bank accounts predate 911 and I never realized that when you open an account these days your information is compared to a plethora of government watch lists. Banks are also mandated to monitor “suspicious” activity and rat you out. I’ve read several cases where small cash businesses were ruined by the IRS when deposits of their cash receipts were deemed structuring.

I guess from now on I’ll keep my cash in a sock under the mattress.

That wouldn’t survive a house fire. Haven’t you heard of coffee cans being buried in the back yard?

EDIT: I see where @henryn has already said this so it must be true.

jmonroe

stickguy

corvette said:

@stickguy - there are reports on the Maverick boards that people with hybrid orders (some dating back to June 2021) are being asked to remove options from their build or else they will have to wait for a 2023 model, although I think they are honoring whatever price was agreed upon.

Ford hasn’t moved anybody. It’s been ongoing with people removing options that are constrained to get built faster. I did it with tonneau and bed liner (and ended up saving $ in the process) to get scheduled sooner.

Ford still saying that accepted orders will get built, but entirely possible some get missed. Remains to be seen though if they will automatically roll over to the head of the 2023 line (I would be fine with that).

But reading the forums, things change fast. And many dealers are either confused, or trying to scam people out of orders.

I will say Ford does a terrible job communicating. And their order allocation and build system leaves a lot to be desired.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:

I sure wish people would invest in something as fundamental as decent tires.

Snow started falling this evening, roads were merely slushy, so I head out to go to my neighborhood gym so I don’t have to venture out tomorrow.

Stopped at a light in my nice new X5, and got rear-ended by a Grand Cherokee. Low speed, not much damage, but the rear bumper definitely has some damage, which I assume means a whole new bumper cover.

Guy was nice enough and apologetic. We exchanged all the pertinent information, and I still went on to my Orange Theory class.

Bummer.

Boy that stinks. The new one too.

People underestimate the value of good tires way too much and too often. Also, learning how to drive helps, as driving to one's tires is driving to conditions, which everyone should always do.

The Bridgestone R71's the TTS has on now are a bit squirrely in the rain even with quattro during the 2nd half of their lifespan especially.

stickguy

I’m cheap. But not on tires. Get good quality, and go with the concept of better to replace a little early than a little late.

qbrozen

corvette said:

Paging @qbrozen to the white courtesy phone…

Same year as mine. Like 90k more miles. Yikes. Weird that his has a twist key. I didn't realize my keyless start was an option.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

I have bought and sold many a car through private transactions, I was doing so a long time before Craigslist or even the internet. And I’ve never really had an unpleasant or scary experience. One transaction did cause me some problems further down the road. I sold the 2008 Passat when it was 5 years old, so roughly in 2013. A guy came to my house, drove it, wanted it, and asked me to hold it. He was back an hour later with $8,000 in hundred dollar bills, fresh from the bank. I signed over the title and signed the title transfer form, and away he went. My mistake was in not getting his signature on anything that I kept.

Fast forward 15 months (yes, 15 months, well over a year) and I get a bill from the toll road authority for around $150. Seems the new owner had gone through a number of toll booths without paying, with the same license plates, and had never transferred the title. According to my records, the license plates were expired nearly a full year before this incident with the toll booths. I fought with the toll road authority for quite a while, but in the end I had to pay up. The state did remove the car and plates from my name after I called them so that it would not happen again.

And oh yeah, the $8k in cash? When I went to deposit that in my credit union, they had to take my picture so they could report the transaction. Sheesh. Big time drug trafficker, that’s me!

In my state the seller keeps the plates and the new owner has to get his own. What we have to do is scrape the registration sticker off the windshield so no one can drive around with the old one.

I’m surprised they took your picture for $8k. They only have to report over $10k to the feds unless they think you’re structuring multiple smaller amounts. My hoopties usually sell for so little that nobody cares.

I also thought the threshold was $10k. I asked the lady who ran the credit union, whom I have known for better than 20 years, and she said the amount was lowered after 9/11.

Nothing I could research indicates that is true. Sounds like that bank was being overly cautious. You’re not in the money laundering business are you?

Government intrusion into my personal banking is a sore point with me. My bank accounts predate 911 and I never realized that when you open an account these days your information is compared to a plethora of government watch lists. Banks are also mandated to monitor “suspicious” activity and rat you out. I’ve read several cases where small cash businesses were ruined by the IRS when deposits of their cash receipts were deemed structuring.

I guess from now on I’ll keep my cash in a sock under the mattress.

https://money.usnews.com/banking/articles/if-you-deposit-a-lot-of-cash-does-your-bank-report-it-to-the-government

"Suspicious activity in excess of $5,000 detected by the bank or an institution is also required to be reported,"

I guess I looked "suspicious". Personally, I never liked under the mattress. My grandmother used a coffee can buried in the back yard, and what was good enough for her ...

When I was in business I would deposit a few thousand every couple of weeks with no problem but from what I’ve read the “suspicious” level can be any amount over a short time period especially if the aggregate is over $10k. As with most federal regulations they can be confusing and open to different interpretations.

The rebel in me has always wanted to bedevil the government by taking out a bunch of cash and the depositing it back over and over to see how they react.

With my luck they’d send SWAT after me.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

Nothing I could research indicates that is true. Sounds like that bank was being overly cautious. You’re not in the money laundering business are you?

Government intrusion into my personal banking is a sore point with me. My bank accounts predate 911 and I never realized that when you open an account these days your information is compared to a plethora of government watch lists. Banks are also mandated to monitor “suspicious” activity and rat you out. I’ve read several cases where small cash businesses were ruined by the IRS when deposits of their cash receipts were deemed structuring.

I guess from now on I’ll keep my cash in a sock under the mattress.

That wouldn’t survive a house fire. Haven’t you heard of coffee cans being buried in the back yard?

EDIT: I see where @henryn has already said this so it must be true.

jmonroe

The back yard is full.

qbrozen

Finished the hoovie video. He is in for a surprise. That ain't a battery issue. When he floored it and it acted like it stalled? Battery isn't causing that. MAYBE just needs an alternator. Or MAYBE there is a short in the harness, which would explain the power drain and the misbehaving when running. Will be curious to see what they find. I also hope they give a rundown on the hatch issue.

graphicguy

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

Priorities and opportunity.

You can always buy a TV. But might never have a chance to see your favorite team in the SB again.

Yeah, but it isn't like we can't watch the game...

True….watch it on an 85” UHD TV in surround sound that makes it feel like you’re in the stadium. Plus, on Monday after the Super Bowl, you’ll be able to watch the new MATRIX movie on the same system, eating home made popcorn and drinking a beer, only it won’t cost $50 for the popcorn and beer. Plus, you won’t have to wait in line to pee!

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Had my yearly evaluation at work last week and everything worked out great. Boss was happy with my performance and my willingness to work whenever needed, called me a great team player, which I appreciated. Getting a $.25 raise started soon which I'll happily take. We get another dollar raise come August like we did last year I've heard. This year will be the first year I'll be eligible for profit sharing, a perk I've never got before. Am also enrolled in their 401K program, again, something I've never gotten before. Enterprise is such a much better company to work for and with just over two years there, was the best move I've ever made, bar none!
Someone I haven't worked with for awhile asked me if I'm still working at the Toyota store and was quite surprised when I told him I left there the beginning of November. He asked me why and told him with both gigs, was just too many hours and it took a huge toll on my health. Maybe me getting vertigo wasn't a direct result of it, but felt working all those hours wore me out to where I got the vertigo. Felt it was a sign to make a life change and it was easy to decide which job had to go! And looking back three months later, was definitely the right decision to leave!

I just had my annual review as well. Kind of a joke at our level since if you screw up they yell at you there and then. I doubt anyone is worrying how a bad review is going to affect their “career”. I’m not there to get my ego stroked but it’s nice to get a well done pat on the back.

I got a laugh at one performance category—not losing the ez passes, gate keys or transport plates. Very modest requirements. I mentioned to the boss that I should get points for not crashing any cars as well.

https://images.app.goo.gl/9PXqsuF6QzkSrLH47

explorerx4

Here's a good reason manufacturers are restricting 3rd party lease trade ins.

"General Motors Co.’s lending unit booked a $2 billion gain last year reselling the vehicles that came back from expired leases and anything the company repossessed, according to a regulatory filing Wednesday. That helped GM Financial to nearly double its annual profit to $5 billion, allowing it to pay a $3.5 billion dividend back to the automaker."

explorerx4

Maybe Hoovie bought another fake. This time, that AMG.
After watching a few minutes of the video, I don't think it's a fake.

corvette

@qbrozen said:
Finished the hoovie video. He is in for a surprise. That ain't a battery issue.

He’s off to see the Wizard… the wonderful Car Wizard of Newton, Kansas.

Michaell

Member needs advice with a used car and a new engine

kyfdx

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

Priorities and opportunity.

You can always buy a TV. But might never have a chance to see your favorite team in the SB again.

Yeah, but it isn't like we can't watch the game...

True….watch it on an 85” UHD TV in surround sound that makes it feel like you’re in the stadium. Plus, on Monday after the Super Bowl, you’ll be able to watch the new MATRIX movie on the same system, eating home made popcorn and drinking a beer, only it won’t cost $50 for the popcorn and beer. Plus, you won’t have to wait in line to pee!

Pretty sure I'll be happy watching on the 55" or 60" screen. It's just me and the wife. She can sit behind me.

No new TV needed.

andres3

stickguy said:

pretty car. I absolutely love the color combo.

and want no part of trying to source bits and pieces for it.

I thought Bush and Obama said they'd back these GM cars' warranty. Surely they made parts and it wasn't just words.

andres3

explorerx4 said:

Here's a good reason manufacturers are restricting 3rd party lease trade ins.

"General Motors Co.’s lending unit booked a $2 billion gain last year reselling the vehicles that came back from expired leases and anything the company repossessed, according to a regulatory filing Wednesday. That helped GM Financial to nearly double its annual profit to $5 billion, allowing it to pay a $3.5 billion dividend back to the automaker."

They should be able to pay off the tax payer losses now.

mjfloyd1

@andres3 said:
I moved $10K from one account to another so I must be peddling drugs, or paying for an Audi motor.

We all know that $10k is not enough for an Audi motor

andres3

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

I moved $10K from one account to another so I must be peddling drugs, or paying for an Audi motor.

We all know that $10k is not enough for an Audi motor

Funny enough I've heard the B8 3.0 V6 costs about $4.5K + tax more than the B8.5 version I got. With that surcharge for the older version of "almost the exact same thing" I'd have gone used.

andres3

henryn said:

I have bought and sold many a car through private transactions, I was doing so a long time before Craigslist or even the internet. And I’ve never really had an unpleasant or scary experience. One transaction did cause me some problems further down the road. I sold the 2008 Passat when it was 5 years old, so roughly in 2013. A guy came to my house, drove it, wanted it, and asked me to hold it. He was back an hour later with $8,000 in hundred dollar bills, fresh from the bank. I signed over the title and signed the title transfer form, and away he went. My mistake was in not getting his signature on anything that I kept.

Fast forward 15 months (yes, 15 months, well over a year) and I get a bill from the toll road authority for around $150. Seems the new owner had gone through a number of toll booths without paying, with the same license plates, and had never transferred the title. According to my records, the license plates were expired nearly a full year before this incident with the toll booths. I fought with the toll road authority for quite a while, but in the end I had to pay up. The state did remove the car and plates from my name after I called them so that it would not happen again.

And oh yeah, the $8k in cash? When I went to deposit that in my credit union, they had to take my picture so they could report the transaction. Sheesh. Big time drug trafficker, that’s me!

You mean that automated enforcement didn't work perfectly and caused you to have a fight you couldn't win? Hmmm.... I thought those systems were perfect.

I will say in CA it appears I can be part of a class action lawsuit some lawyer already won against the CA Toll Road authority, I'm sure deservedly so. They are a bunch of scum buckets. Unfortunately my share appears to be almost nothing.

kyfdx

andres3 said:

explorerx4 said:

Here's a good reason manufacturers are restricting 3rd party lease trade ins.

"General Motors Co.’s lending unit booked a $2 billion gain last year reselling the vehicles that came back from expired leases and anything the company repossessed, according to a regulatory filing Wednesday. That helped GM Financial to nearly double its annual profit to $5 billion, allowing it to pay a $3.5 billion dividend back to the automaker."

They should be able to pay off the tax payer losses now.

The taxpayers lost ZERO on the GM deal.

british_rover

@roadburner said:

@au1994 said:
Are parts really that bad? At this point weren’t the mechanicals GM?

There is a Saab USA parts site but I don’t know if their inventory is very comprehensive. There used to be a good Saab indie tech in Louisville but I don’t know if he’s still around.

Some Saab parts are not available any longer. I know many of the new body 9-5 parts aren't available. 9-3 sport tail lights aren't available either at least for the sedans. Probably the wagons too.

andres3

kyfdx said:

andres3 said:

explorerx4 said:

Here's a good reason manufacturers are restricting 3rd party lease trade ins.

"General Motors Co.’s lending unit booked a $2 billion gain last year reselling the vehicles that came back from expired leases and anything the company repossessed, according to a regulatory filing Wednesday. That helped GM Financial to nearly double its annual profit to $5 billion, allowing it to pay a $3.5 billion dividend back to the automaker."

They should be able to pay off the tax payer losses now.

The taxpayers lost ZERO on the GM deal.

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/entities/233-general-motors

Not according to anyone that can count without a bias involved (see attached link). But what's 11 or 12 BILLION with a BIG B among friends and fellow Countrymen?

Surely one shouldn't saddle the "new" GM with the losses of the "old" GM. Counting your wins and gains and leaving out your losses is a great way to never lose.

28firefighter

This seems like one for @oldfarmer50 or @tjc78

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/d/renton-1995-lincoln-continental/7440900435.html

british_rover

Which leaves out loses that were avoided because GM going bankrupt would have tanked must of the supplier industry.

That long term investment paid off much more than 12 billion by avoiding future losses and I haven't even talked about payroll and other taxes paid because GM stayed in business

cdnpinhead

andres3 said:

They should be able to pay off the tax payer losses now.

Hide and watch.

breld

Regarding watching your team in the Super Bowl, I'm happy we got to go watch the Broncos in New York, even though they lost in terrible (and Broncos-like) fashion. Given the conditions and snow predictions for that weekend, I was able to buy resale tickets a few days before the game for a relatively affordable amount (can't even remember, but I think it was something like $1,200/seat). I had already booked airfare and hotel in November of that year!

andres3

british_rover said:

Which leaves out loses that were avoided because GM going bankrupt would have tanked must of the supplier industry.

That long term investment paid off much more than 12 billion by avoiding future losses and I haven't even talked about payroll and other taxes paid because GM stayed in business

Yes, but on the other hand that 12 billion had lost opportunity cost because we could have invested it in "insert highest performing stock/Apple/Amazon" or Bit Coin or whatever, and we'd have made billions rather than lost them. The point here is it's pure speculation who or what would have gone under if GM went under, how much it would have cost to prop/bail them out, and a bunch of speculative "scenarios" that don't take in the whole big picture. What about tax subsidies, forgiveness, and other "benefits" received by GM?

If the logic was sound we'd bailout everyone every time and we'd still be building horse buggies, shopping at Circuit City, and eating at Soup Plantation.

henryn

kyfdx said:

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

Priorities and opportunity.

You can always buy a TV. But might never have a chance to see your favorite team in the SB again.

Yeah, but it isn't like we can't watch the game...

True….watch it on an 85” UHD TV in surround sound that makes it feel like you’re in the stadium. Plus, on Monday after the Super Bowl, you’ll be able to watch the new MATRIX movie on the same system, eating home made popcorn and drinking a beer, only it won’t cost $50 for the popcorn and beer. Plus, you won’t have to wait in line to pee!

Pretty sure I'll be happy watching on the 55" or 60" screen. It's just me and the wife. She can sit behind me.

No new TV needed.

I saw an ad earlier this week for a new 70 inch 4k smart tv for $500. Not $599, $500 even. Those things are really getting cheap!

au1994

henryn said:

kyfdx said:

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

Priorities and opportunity.

You can always buy a TV. But might never have a chance to see your favorite team in the SB again.

Yeah, but it isn't like we can't watch the game...

True….watch it on an 85” UHD TV in surround sound that makes it feel like you’re in the stadium. Plus, on Monday after the Super Bowl, you’ll be able to watch the new MATRIX movie on the same system, eating home made popcorn and drinking a beer, only it won’t cost $50 for the popcorn and beer. Plus, you won’t have to wait in line to pee!

Pretty sure I'll be happy watching on the 55" or 60" screen. It's just me and the wife. She can sit behind me.

No new TV needed.

I saw an ad earlier this week for a new 70 inch 4k smart tv for $500. Not $599, $500 even. Those things are really getting cheap!

Thats incredible. My first flat panel was a 42in Panasonic plasma. I paid $1200 at Costco back in 2007.

xwesx

Sandman6472 said:

Totally sucks but you are o k so that's what really matters here. This X5 isn't a keeper in your ever changing fleet, so just a bump in the road for y'all. Still, sucks when a vehicle is brand new like yours is.

The odds were against him, since all of his vehicles are ALWAYS brand new.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

pretty car. I absolutely love the color combo.

and want no part of trying to source bits and pieces for it.

I thought Bush and Obama said they'd back these GM cars' warranty. Surely they made parts and it wasn't just words.

And you believed a politician?

henryn

au1994 said:

henryn said:

kyfdx said:

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

Priorities and opportunity.

You can always buy a TV. But might never have a chance to see your favorite team in the SB again.

Yeah, but it isn't like we can't watch the game...

True….watch it on an 85” UHD TV in surround sound that makes it feel like you’re in the stadium. Plus, on Monday after the Super Bowl, you’ll be able to watch the new MATRIX movie on the same system, eating home made popcorn and drinking a beer, only it won’t cost $50 for the popcorn and beer. Plus, you won’t have to wait in line to pee!

Pretty sure I'll be happy watching on the 55" or 60" screen. It's just me and the wife. She can sit behind me.

No new TV needed.

I saw an ad earlier this week for a new 70 inch 4k smart tv for $500. Not $599, $500 even. Those things are really getting cheap!

Thats incredible. My first flat panel was a 42in Panasonic plasma. I paid $1200 at Costco back in 2007.

oldfarmer50

28firefighter said:

This seems like one for @oldfarmer50 or @tjc78

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/d/renton-1995-lincoln-continental/7440900435.html

I would love to have one of those. I believe it had the same 4.6L 4 valve that was in my 95’ Mark VIII. The only difference was the motor was mounted transversely for FWD and was de tuned a bit to prevent tire spin.

The price is high. My Lincoln was only around $3500 with 67,000 miles in 2013. I guess that’s the market.