A GT Premium does cost quite a bit more than a base GT even in 2023. You have to add in the obnoxious exhaust and power upgrade for your car in there too.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
I was talking to a coworker who told me he just bought a black 2023 Mustang GT Premium. $51k with many bells and whistles like the tunable exhaust which goes from mild to obnoxious.
I paid $31k for mine and even though his is an upscale trim I couldn’t believe it cost $20k more.
I can honestly say this is one car I will forever miss, that little Q5e was such a sweetheart. Seriously kicking myself for selling it since we aren't permanently moving for another year, but when I sold it the plan was to move in August. One thing I will miss about being in the states is having a nice car, in Costa Rica a nice car is the LAST thing you want! The roads will beat the living crap out of it.
Well, sure, but with that many miles on it, heck, you were probably on its last one!
Before needing to fuel it up for the first time, that is.
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
A GT Premium does cost quite a bit more than a base GT even in 2023. You have to add in the obnoxious exhaust and power upgrade for your car in there too.
I cannot stand that exhaust option. Obnoxious doesn’t do it justice. You can’t even carry on a conversation if one passes you.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
Actually, that’s good. It will give her the excuse of being too small when the Bronco arrives. Some people focus on mileage, some on reliability, some on resale… y’all think about why you’d need to replace it before you buy it. It is a strong strategy.
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@au1994, The other day we were driving on the highway in the Explorer when a GT convertible pulled up next to me and the driver put it loud mode and took off. It's very loud.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
The AMG Performance Exhaust on the C43 isn't extremely loud but it's definitely not whisper quiet. As I said before, I still set it to "Annoy Bystanders" on every startup...
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
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Actually, that’s good. It will give her the excuse of being too small when the Bronco arrives. Some people focus on mileage, some on reliability, some on resale… y’all think about why you’d need to replace it before you buy it. It is a strong strategy.
There's a lot of fake noises and such in modern cars...the simulated gear shifts complete with brief interrupted torque delivery, paired with simulated sounds of a turbo 4 takes it all to a new level.
I remember when I had the Jag F-type roadster as a rental car in Germany, it had a switchable exhaust function. I always selected the loudest setting in town (I figured Stuttgart is an automotive city, so it wouldn't be too out of place), and quiet on the highway. It was fun esp with the top down, but I don't know if I would be so constantly obnoxious driving where people might know me
IIRC, the EU has very strict regulations about decibel levels for exhausts, which I don't think we have here, so you were probably not obnoxious even in the loud mode.
IIRC, the EU has very strict regulations about decibel levels for exhausts, which I don't think we have here, so you were probably not obnoxious even in the loud mode.
It wasn't the volume, but the revvy raspy popping kind of stuff. Usually when I see that here, it's a clapped out Infiniti or 350Z kind of thing,
Breld, has the wife/you looked at a Genesis GV70? An eye catcher, good reviews (no Macan, of course). Curious if anyone has real world exposure to it. Still not an SUV guy, but if I had to, Macan would be top o' the list; I'd take a lookie lou at the Genesis.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Breld, has the wife/you looked at a Genesis GV70? An eye catcher, good reviews (no Macan, of course). Curious if anyone has real world exposure to it. Still not an SUV guy, but if I had to, Macan would be top o' the list; I'd take a lookie lou at the Genesis.
We haven’t test driven but thats at the tippy top of the wife’s list to replace the X1. Should be settling the college choice for jr in the coming months hopefully and that could free up some cash we are sitting on if all goes to plan.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
Today, Edmunds dropped a video comparo between the Model 3 and the Hyundai Ionic 6, the sedan that looks like a sea creature that migrated to dry land and grew a set of wheels. To my surprise the Ionic came out on top, although the reviewer noted that the Tesla was eligible for the $7500 federal rebate while the Hyundai was not.
the reviewer noted that the Tesla was eligible for the $7500 federal rebate while the Hyundai was not.
Why is that?
Tesla meets the domestic production guidelines set forth in the legislation passed last year.
However, if you lease, the Hyundai passes through the $7500 as an incentive. ———————————————— How does leasing help production guide lines that qualifies for the $7,500 incentive. Only our government could make sense of that.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
the reviewer noted that the Tesla was eligible for the $7500 federal rebate while the Hyundai was not.
Why is that?
Tesla meets the domestic production guidelines set forth in the legislation passed last year.
However, if you lease, the Hyundai passes through the $7500 as an incentive.
———————————————— How does leasing help production guide lines that qualifies for the $7,500 incentive. Only our government could make sense of that.
jmonroe
Ah, the beauty of our elected members of Congress.
Since the bank purchases the car in the case of a lease, it's considered a commercial transaction, and the $7500 tax credit is available to the bank. The rebate is simply the bank passing through that tax credit to the customer who leases the vehicle.
On a purchase, there are stricter standards about which vehicles allow the buyer to claim the tax credit on next years taxes.
At 29,500 miles, our 2022 Highlander was in need of an oil change & tire rotation. My regular service advisor is off on Fridays, but today was the only day I could bring it in. There was also a squeaking noise coming from the rear underside of the car. I get a call from a service advisor who said they recommend a "major" 30,000 mile service which includes an oil change, tire rotation, induction service, AC oil service, brake adjustment & cabin filter for $384.95 plus an additional $59 for an air filter. No Thanks. Just the oil change & tire rotation. They diagnosed the squeak underneath the car as a loose spare tire.
I go to pick the car up in the afternoon. I get handed to the checkout guy who tells me my bill is close to $285. Whoa! For an oil change & tire rotation? He tells me there was a diagnostic fee to see what the squeak was underneath the car. I politely reminded him that the vehicle has under 30,000 miles and is still covered under the factory warranty. $140 and I was out of there. 5 Quart Synthetic Oil Change $84.95 + and additional $9.95 for the 6th quart it takes. $29.95 for the tire rotation.
Nice to see inventory building up as well. They had a bunch of Highlanders in stock as well as Camrys.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
my son's friend decided he wanted a GR and went looking. Searched the country I believe, and might have found a couple at huge ADMs that he was not willing to go for. So I think that dream died on the vine.
the reviewer noted that the Tesla was eligible for the $7500 federal rebate while the Hyundai was not.
Why is that?
Tesla meets the domestic production guidelines set forth in the legislation passed last year.
However, if you lease, the Hyundai passes through the $7500 as an incentive.
———————————————— How does leasing help production guide lines that qualifies for the $7,500 incentive. Only our government could make sense of that.
jmonroe
Ah, the beauty of our elected members of Congress.
Since the bank purchases the car in the case of a lease, it's considered a commercial transaction, and the $7500 tax credit is available to the bank. The rebate is simply the bank passing through that tax credit to the customer who leases the vehicle.
On a purchase, there are stricter standards about which vehicles allow the buyer to claim the tax credit on next years taxes. ———————————————— Gee, what would we do without bank lobbies? Allow me to answer my own question—-A LOT BETTER THAN WITH THEM.
As I understand it, that $7,500 credit (or whatever applies at the time) does not have to be passed onto the lessee but it usually is as an incentive to lease. I guess competition amongst banks helps the lessee get the pass through of the incentive.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
the reviewer noted that the Tesla was eligible for the $7500 federal rebate while the Hyundai was not.
Why is that?
Tesla meets the domestic production guidelines set forth in the legislation passed last year.
However, if you lease, the Hyundai passes through the $7500 as an incentive.
———————————————— How does leasing help production guide lines that qualifies for the $7,500 incentive. Only our government could make sense of that.
jmonroe
Ah, the beauty of our elected members of Congress.
Since the bank purchases the car in the case of a lease, it's considered a commercial transaction, and the $7500 tax credit is available to the bank. The rebate is simply the bank passing through that tax credit to the customer who leases the vehicle.
On a purchase, there are stricter standards about which vehicles allow the buyer to claim the tax credit on next years taxes.
———————————————— Gee, what would we do without bank lobbies? Allow me to answer my own question—-A LOT BETTER THAN WITH THEM.
As I understand it, that $7,500 credit (or whatever applies at the time) does not have to be passed onto the lessee but it usually is as an incentive to lease. I guess competition amongst banks helps the lessee get the pass through of the incentive.
jmonroe
Without the incentive, nobody would lease an EV, as the payment would be too high. Even with the incentive, they are pretty expensive.
This wasn't a bank lobby issue - to be honest, I don't think anyone in Congress knew what was in the bill when it was passed. It took the IRS months to sort it all out and provide guidance to the manufacturers and the public.
the reviewer noted that the Tesla was eligible for the $7500 federal rebate while the Hyundai was not.
Why is that?
Tesla meets the domestic production guidelines set forth in the legislation passed last year.
However, if you lease, the Hyundai passes through the $7500 as an incentive.
———————————————— How does leasing help production guide lines that qualifies for the $7,500 incentive. Only our government could make sense of that.
jmonroe
Ah, the beauty of our elected members of Congress.
Since the bank purchases the car in the case of a lease, it's considered a commercial transaction, and the $7500 tax credit is available to the bank. The rebate is simply the bank passing through that tax credit to the customer who leases the vehicle.
On a purchase, there are stricter standards about which vehicles allow the buyer to claim the tax credit on next years taxes.
———————————————— Gee, what would we do without bank lobbies? Allow me to answer my own question—-A LOT BETTER THAN WITH THEM.
As I understand it, that $7,500 credit (or whatever applies at the time) does not have to be passed onto the lessee but it usually is as an incentive to lease. I guess competition amongst banks helps the lessee get the pass through of the incentive.
jmonroe
Without the incentive, nobody would lease an EV, as the payment would be too high. Even with the incentive, they are pretty expensive.
This wasn't a bank lobby issue - to be honest, I don't think anyone in Congress knew what was in the bill when it was passed. It took the IRS months to sort it all out and provide guidance to the manufacturers and the public. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ You said Congress didn't know what was in the bill. What's so unusual about that? Maybe the lobbyists wrote the bill for Congress and they just pushed it through. I could talk myself into believing that.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
There's a lot of fake noises and such in modern cars...the simulated gear shifts complete with brief interrupted torque delivery, paired with simulated sounds of a turbo 4 takes it all to a new level.
Fake noises on a performance car are like taking a shower in a raincoat, kind of a pointless endeavor. I couldn’t wait to tear that stupid sound tube off the Mustang and install a real exhaust. Why they didn’t do that from the factory is beyond me.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
IIRC, the EU has very strict regulations about decibel levels for exhausts, which I don't think we have here, so you were probably not obnoxious even in the loud mode.
At 29,500 miles, our 2022 Highlander was in need of an oil change & tire rotation. My regular service advisor is off on Fridays, but today was the only day I could bring it in. There was also a squeaking noise coming from the rear underside of the car. I get a call from a service advisor who said they recommend a "major" 30,000 mile service which includes an oil change, tire rotation, induction service, AC oil service, brake adjustment & cabin filter for $384.95 plus an additional $59 for an air filter. No Thanks. Just the oil change & tire rotation. They diagnosed the squeak underneath the car as a loose spare tire.
I go to pick the car up in the afternoon. I get handed to the checkout guy who tells me my bill is close to $285. Whoa! For an oil change & tire rotation? He tells me there was a diagnostic fee to see what the squeak was underneath the car. I politely reminded him that the vehicle has under 30,000 miles and is still covered under the factory warranty. $140 and I was out of there. 5 Quart Synthetic Oil Change $84.95 + and additional $9.95 for the 6th quart it takes. $29.95 for the tire rotation.
Nice to see inventory building up as well. They had a bunch of Highlanders in stock as well as Camrys.
If they tried that scam on me it would be the last time I had service done there.
Does anyone know why Toyota is the only car maker still short on inventory? I drove past a local Chevy dealer and they had a full lot. A mile down the road they had taken over a section of the mall parking lot and had at least a hundred more vehicles parked there. I have never seen that before.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Breld, has the wife/you looked at a Genesis GV70? An eye catcher, good reviews (no Macan, of course). Curious if anyone has real world exposure to it. Still not an SUV guy, but if I had to, Macan would be top o' the list; I'd take a lookie lou at the Genesis.
Good suggestion @laurasdada. She has tested out a GV70 and liked it quite a bit and if she were to get serious I think she’d take another look at it. The 3.5T is a great engine (the 2.5T is no slouch itself). Overall it’s softer than the Macan, but we’re getting to a point where we appreciate….soft. 😀 I mean, for goodness sake, I just bought a Lexus!
I also like the electrified GV70 and would put that on the list for my next EV.
At 29,500 miles, our 2022 Highlander was in need of an oil change & tire rotation. My regular service advisor is off on Fridays, but today was the only day I could bring it in. There was also a squeaking noise coming from the rear underside of the car. I get a call from a service advisor who said they recommend a "major" 30,000 mile service which includes an oil change, tire rotation, induction service, AC oil service, brake adjustment & cabin filter for $384.95 plus an additional $59 for an air filter. No Thanks. Just the oil change & tire rotation. They diagnosed the squeak underneath the car as a loose spare tire.
I go to pick the car up in the afternoon. I get handed to the checkout guy who tells me my bill is close to $285. Whoa! For an oil change & tire rotation? He tells me there was a diagnostic fee to see what the squeak was underneath the car. I politely reminded him that the vehicle has under 30,000 miles and is still covered under the factory warranty. $140 and I was out of there. 5 Quart Synthetic Oil Change $84.95 + and additional $9.95 for the 6th quart it takes. $29.95 for the tire rotation.
Nice to see inventory building up as well. They had a bunch of Highlanders in stock as well as Camrys.
If they tried that scam on me it would be the last time I had service done there.
Does anyone know why Toyota is the only car maker still short on inventory? I drove past a local Chevy dealer and they had a full lot. A mile down the road they had taken over a section of the mall parking lot and had at least a hundred more vehicles parked there. I have never seen that before.
Things are definitely improving. Lots around here are pretty full of new vehicles, not used, across all brands. Occasionally you may find something popular like a Tahoe with only 3-4 in stock but still much better overall. Maybe incentives and some negotiation can return soon.
One of the things my team at work is responsible for is the fleet. We are getting Fords in pretty quickly, like 6 weeks on XL F150’s.
I ordered 2 F250 XL’s and got them in 3 weeks.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
So glad I got my $6712 tax credit on the A7, for once my purchase timing was pretty good.
New right rear wheel bearings for the M240, warranty ($200 diagnostic charge best be gone!). I'm told other three wheels are fine. And, the service dept has the car listed as CPO, interesting...
On the way home in the 530xi, I stopped at the neighboring Lambo/Maser/Bentley/Alfa dealer, they had two Tonale's, black and white of course. Locked, but did a walkaround and peered inside. Cursory review, of course, but nothing looked special to me. And there's the Hornet, should be interesting to see how this shakes out. Of course, as a champion of the less mainstream marque (see, growing up Saab, Mitsubishi and Renault, as an adult, Jag) I'm hoping that Alfa makes it here, builds an interesting not-SUV (Spider reincarnate, anyone?) and expands dealership. I'm having strange feelings of, once the warranty is up on the A7, trading for a Taycan or Audi e-tron GT, hoping range/battery tech will be even better in '25.
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of course lobbyists and consultants write most of the bills. Might get some staffers to read through the highlights but reps certainly done know exactly what they are voting for.
After four days cooped up at home for the most part, I took a drive around Seattle last night at sunset with some tunes - drove through Phinney, Fremont, Queen Anne, Ballard, Greenwood and then went home. Was delightful.
Woke up this morning and retested and son and I are both negative. Great success!
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of course lobbyists and consultants write most of the bills. Might get some staffers to read through the highlights but reps certainly done know exactly what they are voting for.
I remember when Kentucky passed the Kentucky Education Reform Act back in 1990. I can guarantee 90% of the legislators didn't read much past the opening page.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Was told that I'm eligible for the next booster now so will need to set it up at Walgreens like before. Still need to get the shingles shot as well but have been feeling the vertigo more these past few weeks so waiting till it subsides a bit. Since it started almost 15 months ago, the vertigo has been awful at times. Have missed a total of about 5 weeks as driving was impossible. I fell during one bout earlier this year and still feeling pain from under my left eye where my head hit the toilet seat. That bone is still a bit swollen and within 24 hours, looked like someone had punched me out. I do use my walker at night now if I need to make a pit stop & I was gifted one of those devices that one can push like a walker but also has a seat that can be put down when not in motion. Am sure most have seen some older folks using them in public. Has come in handy while I was cooking and needed to stay by the stove, just used it to sit down on. This getting older stuff is trickier than I ever imagined!
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
After four days cooped up at home for the most part, I took a drive around Seattle last night at sunset with some tunes - drove through Phinney, Fremont, Queen Anne, Ballard, Greenwood and then went home. Was delightful.
Woke up this morning and retested and son and I are both negative. Great success!
Topless, I presume. Still waiting to hear that mine is ready to be picked up. Missed a couple of nice days, but rain for the next few. MIL likes the 530xi, she finds it roomier in back. I put it in sport, drove with some alacrity on the twisty, 30mph back roads here, doing ~40. She was terrified, actually told me to slow down for fear the car would tip over! It's not an SUV, Kathy...
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of course lobbyists and consultants write most of the bills. Might get some staffers to read through the highlights but reps certainly done know exactly what they are voting for.
I remember when Kentucky passed the Kentucky Education Reform Act back in 1990. I can guarantee 90% of the legislators didn't read much past the opening page.
———————————————— More than likely that’s when there were no more pictures.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
but we’re getting to a point where we appreciate….soft. 😀 I mean, for goodness sake, I just bought a Lexus!
Hey now.
———————————————— Count me in as one of the softy crowd.
Right now I’m in WV across the Potomac River from VA getting ready to attend a wedding. We rode down with Son #1 and his wife in her X3 240I. Sat in the back seat and it ain’t comfy not even close. Mrs. j said it rides like a truck but it looks nice. Spoiled Subie owner.
This joint we’re in is kinda neat. I’m pretty sure it called the Bavarian Inn. I’m told this is going to be a real shindig and I believe it based on the cars in the parking LOTS (yes there is more than one). Not black tie but close. Cocktail hour at 5. I ain’t gonna be late for that.
I shoulda drove my Genny.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
After four days cooped up at home for the most part, I took a drive around Seattle last night at sunset with some tunes - drove through Phinney, Fremont, Queen Anne, Ballard, Greenwood and then went home. Was delightful.
Woke up this morning and retested and son and I are both negative. Great success!
Topless, I presume. Still waiting to hear that mine is ready to be picked up. Missed a couple of nice days, but rain for the next few. MIL likes the 530xi, she finds it roomier in back. I put it in sport, drove with some alacrity on the twisty, 30mph back roads here, doing ~40. She was terrified, actually told me to slow down for fear the car would tip over! It's not an SUV, Kathy...
I put over 160 miles on the C43 today- we had 3 parties to attend. The last one was in a small town that is connected to I-71 by a country road filled with lots of elevation changes and tight corners. As usual, my wife never looked up from her Kindle- even though I was doing my best to take each corner at double the posted advisory speed. The C43 shares a characteristic with my old 2er; it's so well planted that I suspect that I'll run out of courage long before I run out of grip...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Hot and very humid today. Took the 530 to Woods Hole for dinner, beautiful drive along the upper Cape Cod coast. The a/c seems insufficient.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
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You have to add in the obnoxious exhaust and power upgrade for your car in there too.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Before needing to fuel it up for the first time, that is.
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Actually, that’s good. It will give her the excuse of being too small when the Bronco arrives. Some people focus on mileage, some on reliability, some on resale… y’all think about why you’d need to replace it before you buy it. It is a strong strategy.
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The other day we were driving on the highway in the Explorer when a GT convertible pulled up next to me and the driver put it loud mode and took off. It's very loud.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Actually, that’s good. It will give her the excuse of being too small when the Bronco arrives. Some people focus on mileage, some on reliability, some on resale… y’all think about why you’d need to replace it before you buy it. It is a strong strategy.
Everybody needs a hobby.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
And it sounds kinda fun to me.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44305791/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-prototype-track-drive/
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
Still not an SUV guy, but if I had to, Macan would be top o' the list; I'd take a lookie lou at the Genesis.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Why is that?
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Why is that?
Tesla meets the domestic production guidelines set forth in the legislation passed last year.
However, if you lease, the Hyundai passes through the $7500 as an incentive.
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Yeah with a pumped up MF and poor residual!
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However, if you lease, the Hyundai passes through the $7500 as an incentive.
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How does leasing help production guide lines that qualifies for the $7,500 incentive. Only our government could make sense of that.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Truer words haven’t been spoken …
I want a $7500 rebate. A subsidized MF and an inflated residual. 😎
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How does leasing help production guide lines that qualifies for the $7,500 incentive. Only our government could make sense of that.
jmonroe
Ah, the beauty of our elected members of Congress.
Since the bank purchases the car in the case of a lease, it's considered a commercial transaction, and the $7500 tax credit is available to the bank. The rebate is simply the bank passing through that tax credit to the customer who leases the vehicle.
On a purchase, there are stricter standards about which vehicles allow the buyer to claim the tax credit on next years taxes.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
I go to pick the car up in the afternoon. I get handed to the checkout guy who tells me my bill is close to $285. Whoa! For an oil change & tire rotation? He tells me there was a diagnostic fee to see what the squeak was underneath the car. I politely reminded him that the vehicle has under 30,000 miles and is still covered under the factory warranty. $140 and I was out of there. 5 Quart Synthetic Oil Change $84.95 + and additional $9.95 for the 6th quart it takes. $29.95 for the tire rotation.
Nice to see inventory building up as well. They had a bunch of Highlanders in stock as well as Camrys.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
1st GR Corolla I’ve seen in the wild
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Since the bank purchases the car in the case of a lease, it's considered a commercial transaction, and the $7500 tax credit is available to the bank. The rebate is simply the bank passing through that tax credit to the customer who leases the vehicle.
On a purchase, there are stricter standards about which vehicles allow the buyer to claim the tax credit on next years taxes.
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Gee, what would we do without bank lobbies? Allow me to answer my own question—-A LOT BETTER THAN WITH THEM.
As I understand it, that $7,500 credit (or whatever applies at the time) does not have to be passed onto the lessee but it usually is as an incentive to lease. I guess competition amongst banks helps the lessee get the pass through of the incentive.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Gee, what would we do without bank lobbies? Allow me to answer my own question—-A LOT BETTER THAN WITH THEM.
As I understand it, that $7,500 credit (or whatever applies at the time) does not have to be passed onto the lessee but it usually is as an incentive to lease. I guess competition amongst banks helps the lessee get the pass through of the incentive.
jmonroe
Without the incentive, nobody would lease an EV, as the payment would be too high. Even with the incentive, they are pretty expensive.
This wasn't a bank lobby issue - to be honest, I don't think anyone in Congress knew what was in the bill when it was passed. It took the IRS months to sort it all out and provide guidance to the manufacturers and the public.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
This wasn't a bank lobby issue - to be honest, I don't think anyone in Congress knew what was in the bill when it was passed. It took the IRS months to sort it all out and provide guidance to the manufacturers and the public.
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You said Congress didn't know what was in the bill. What's so unusual about that? Maybe the lobbyists wrote the bill for Congress and they just pushed it through. I could talk myself into believing that.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Does anyone know why Toyota is the only car maker still short on inventory? I drove past a local Chevy dealer and they had a full lot. A mile down the road they had taken over a section of the mall parking lot and had at least a hundred more vehicles parked there. I have never seen that before.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Could be one for Qbrozen motors
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
I also like the electrified GV70 and would put that on the list for my next EV.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
One of the things my team at work is responsible for is the fleet. We are getting Fords in pretty quickly, like 6 weeks on XL F150’s.
I ordered 2 F250 XL’s and got them in 3 weeks.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
Plenty of those for sale. The updated ones with the front seats behind the front wheels is regarded as far superior in ride and comfort.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
New right rear wheel bearings for the M240, warranty ($200 diagnostic charge best be gone!). I'm told other three wheels are fine. And, the service dept has the car listed as CPO, interesting...
On the way home in the 530xi, I stopped at the neighboring Lambo/Maser/Bentley/Alfa dealer, they had two Tonale's, black and white of course. Locked, but did a walkaround and peered inside. Cursory review, of course, but nothing looked special to me. And there's the Hornet, should be interesting to see how this shakes out.
Of course, as a champion of the less mainstream marque (see, growing up Saab, Mitsubishi and Renault, as an adult, Jag) I'm hoping that Alfa makes it here, builds an interesting not-SUV (Spider reincarnate, anyone?) and expands dealership.
I'm having strange feelings of, once the warranty is up on the A7, trading for a Taycan or Audi e-tron GT, hoping range/battery tech will be even better in '25.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
After four days cooped up at home for the most part, I took a drive around Seattle last night at sunset with some tunes - drove through Phinney, Fremont, Queen Anne, Ballard, Greenwood and then went home. Was delightful.
Woke up this morning and retested and son and I are both negative. Great success!
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Still waiting to hear that mine is ready to be picked up. Missed a couple of nice days, but rain for the next few.
MIL likes the 530xi, she finds it roomier in back. I put it in sport, drove with some alacrity on the twisty, 30mph back roads here, doing ~40. She was terrified, actually told me to slow down for fear the car would tip over! It's not an SUV, Kathy...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
More than likely that’s when there were no more pictures.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Hey now.
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0
Is there another way?
Hey now.
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Right now I’m in WV across the Potomac River from VA getting ready to attend a wedding. We rode down with Son #1 and his wife in her X3 240I. Sat in the back seat and it ain’t comfy not even close. Mrs. j said it rides like a truck but it looks nice. Spoiled Subie owner.
This joint we’re in is kinda neat. I’m pretty sure it called the Bavarian Inn. I’m told this is going to be a real shindig and I believe it based on the cars in the parking LOTS (yes there is more than one). Not black tie but close. Cocktail hour at 5. I ain’t gonna be late for that.
I shoulda drove my Genny.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)