but there is a new BMW in the family. my BIL traded in his old 550 on a new 550. His previous one was a 2007 or 2008 stick shift. He replaced it with a new style AT one (so his wife can drive it too). Much nicer looking IMO. And I could compare side by side, since she has a 2010 or 11 (last year of the dame edna model) and they were next to each other in the garage.
according to her, the new model is vastly nicer overall (comfort, driving) than hers is, She has an AWD 535, the 550 is RWD (so likely will be parked most of the winter like the old one was!) Hard to imagine they sell many RWD 5 series in upstate NY (aka snow country).
gorgeous dark gray with dove gray leather. Quite attractive, especially the front end.
Have not been inside it yet. Hopefully I get a shot to drive it at some point.
I got to drive a 535i & 550i (new F10 Models) @ a BMW driving event last summer. The 535i is fantastic. The 550i just keeps pulling and pulling. The 400 hp Turbo V8 hooked up to the 8 speed automatic was a bottomless torque pit. Simply astonishing.
i actually prefer the look of the previous generation (2004-2010) E60 5 series.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Spent the better part of the last couple days getting service done on both the ION and the CX-7.
The ION went in yesterday for a transmission fluid flush. The original quote was for $140, but I soon found out that the ION, like most GM vehicles, requires Dextron-6 fluid, which upped the price almost $100. Sheesh. However, I did notice that the transmission shifts much smoother now. The guys at the shop tell me that it's good for another 60K.
The CX-7 went to the dealer this morning for its first oil change and tire rotation. I also mentioned that it has been pulling to the right since we took it off the lot. A computerized alignment found that the left rear toe was off by .001, so they corrected it and will submit it as a warranty claim. The first oil change was on the house, so I only had to shell out $20 for the rotation. Score!
Bruce, the guys at Groove are real nice to deal with .. not sure if that's where the CX-9 goes, but I do recommend them.
While on the lot I did find a new MS3 - base, no options, for $24K. Didn't drive it as the sales folks were all in a meeting with the GSM.
Anyway, the CX-7 is all ready for the road trip next month, and the ION just needs a tire rotation to be good for the time being.
Still waiting for the computerized maintenance software on the MINI to tell us it's ready for the first service. It's been just over a year and I think it has around 11K miles on it, so I expect it will be soon.
BMW's policy with the factory scheduled maintenance used to be that they will do a "low mileage" oil change after 12 months even if the computer doesn't call for it, but they won't reset the computer, which means that you'll be back in for another free oil change in a couple of months when the thing actually does go off.
I haven't had my BMW back 3 days, and it is back in the shop again. I haven't even had it long enough to have the hail damage from the bad storms a month ago repaired.
The bogging issue has yet to be resolved, and now the A/C compressor is grinding.
What are everyone's thoughts on a 2011 Sonata? Base GLS with Automatic transmission. May or may not look at it with the popular equipment package (an extra $750).
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ff, so sorry to hear of your continued troubles with the BMW.
Some friends of ours just bought a Sonata GLS - this after 2 Santa Fes, so they are certainly a Hyundai family. I think they like it pretty well.
My folks have an '03 Sonata GLS V6 with (get this) 27K on it. They had been Toyota fans for some time and were all set to get another Camry when they found out about the Sonata. Could get the V6 for less money than a 4-cyl Camry.
the sonata is a nice car but no BMW. I actually like the Kia Optima (cousins under the skin) better, both inside and outside. Supposed to be slightly "sportier" too.
Look at a Fusion too. the SE is a nice piece too, and quick with the V6.
hard for you to give up the driving experience though I would imagine. Not that you get to drive it much!
And therein lies the problem and my inner conflict. No 20k sedan is going to drive like my BMW WHEN it works. But I'm quickly approaching a point where the car is spending more time in the shop than with me, and I need a vehicle to commute for work and school.
Not to mention, at some point, financially, I need to cut my losses. I like the looks and features of the Sonata for an attractive 19k (dealer offered with no negotiation) and a great warranty. It is also surprisingly peppy.
I don't know. I will feel crappy no matter what decision I make.
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Coming out of a BMW, you definitely don't want a Hyundai.
I don't know what would work for you in this circumstance, but definitely not a Hyundai. Fusion Sport, Malibu V-6, Regal Turbo, even a Camry V-6, but not a Hyundai.
You should also consider the Sonata Turbo. At this point, even when the BMW is working again you'll be wondering when it will break again and how large the repair bill will be. I went through the same thing with an aging VW.
Unfortunately none of the cars mentioned are in my budget. 20k is the limit and at this point I want to go new. A fusion sport or sonata turbo are way outside that.
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Anyone else paying over $4/gal? We hit a high of $4.15 last week, then it dropped to $4.10. My son is very glad his little car hangs in the 30 mpg range. I haven't filled the F-250 up in months, thinking I'll need a bank loan!
The Pilot seems to be sticking to 18 mpg with mostly city driving. Its not too bad, but unless gas prices go down next spring I'll be downsizing it to probably a hybrid since I drive mostly in the city. Will be down to 1 kid next spring as well and probably won't need all the room anymore either.
Against hubby's wishes I intend to cut the F-250 from the stable this fall. Nobody drives it, I think its had 1300 miles put on it since October. So unless that changes it will be moving on down the road, there's already a high school kid who's begging to buy it and is saving his pennies.
Well, with a 20K limit you are going to be... limited.
A new Focus might be there but it will not have many niceties. You are really looking at Ford, Chevy, and all the other mainstream brands small or base midsize cars. The Sonata is very overrated but gets a lot of buzz on the net, perhaps due to a rumored orchestrated campaign by the company.
"The Sonata is very overrated..." and you know this for a fact? Just because you don't like the car doesn't mean anything really, now does it. I have a couple of friends who have the new Sonata and absolutely love them...they speak from real world experience and you just speculate based on a rumour you heard. Seems like folks come on Edmunds all the time and throw out opinions like they are facts which has become so annoying actually and kills their credibility...this needs to stop!
Rant over and I would never give an opinion on a car I've never driven...much better to drive one to see how it really drives thus having some credibility on the subject. Wish others would do the same!
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I have, and the reality is that it is like a lot of other cars in its class. It is not the "game-changer" that some would have you believe. It has a lot of hard plastic in the interior and lousy steering. It is noisy and while some like the styling it is not for me. It looks overdone both inside and out, like it is trying too hard.
I have driven the 4-banger Malibu and it is a better car. I have driven the 4-banger Fusion and it is about the same overall; some things better, some not so. I have driven in a 4-banger Accord and liked it better.
Given the hype that accompanied the Sonata on the net it could barely not be overrated, but the reality is that it is extremely overrated. I'm glad your friends love their Sonatas. I know a bunch of people that love their Accords and Camrys and Malibus too. Some people love Walmart, but that does not mean they always have good products.
ab348 - I respect your opinion on the Sonata. I realize it is not for everyone. My problem with the 4-banger Fusion is how incredibly slow it is, same with the Malibu. I found the Sonata rather peppy, even after having test driven a Jetta SE immediately prior (not that the Jetta is fast @ 170hp, but it is a smaller car).
I also recognize that I am limited in terms of budget. The smaller cars do not interest me (a la Focus and Elantra), as we already have one smaller one (a Mazda 3) in the household and I'd rather have something a bit larger.
Any other suggestions, ab348 and others?
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what's killing you is being fixated on staying with new. If you broaden your horizons to slightly used but still under warranty (remainder of factory and/or CPO) you getting the safety net but cheaper to get in.
the other option for your situation of course is finding something interesting on a killer subsidized lease. doesn't necessarily solve the problem, but it does kind of postpone it for a few years!
I mentioned yesterday that I found out my BIL recently swapped out to a newer BMW 550 (we were visiting them for easter). Well, got home today, and found an Email from my mother that they got a new car yesterday (my father had a POC Olds Alero that apparently was falling apart recently).
So, they now have a silver Nissan Sentra 2.0S. I am devastated that they didn't check with me first, but I will get over it!
probably a good car for them. they no longer travel very far usually, so for around town use it should be nicely economical.
hmmm... well... I have to say I'm a tad confused. You say the Mazda3 is too small... but do you realize the mazda3 has more rear seat legroom than the Sonata? Sure, the sonta is about 8 or 9 inches longer overall, but methinks much of that is in areas that don't count (mazda has a very short hood, for instance).
Other suggestions: Legacy - starts very near the Sonata's starting price. Suzuki Kizashi - magazines seem to like it. VW Golf - just check one out and see for yourself. The fit, finish, and ride quality beats out all other popular choices, IMHO. Probably as close to your BMW's ride quality as you are going to get for under $20k. And it really is much roomier inside than the outside dimensions would have you believe.
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Q - I was trying to avoid the truth that I don't want to get a Mazda3, as we already have one in the household. I'm not big on the his and her cars and it isn't so great a bargain that I feel like I'm passing something up. I'm going to drive a Kizashi later today when I take a break from studying for finals.
Stick - I am seriously considering leasing right now, just to avoid any out of pocket expenses (given the cash outlay that the BMW has required). The Sonata seems to be leasing well, then there is always the Subaru subsidized leases.
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Honda's lease subsidies tend to be pretty generous on the mainstream models. If you start adding leather and navigation, the residual percentage goes down. I think the Civic Si has an attractive lease on it right now.
Went out yesterday with a friend visiting from Atlanta (my long standing car buddy). He has an '05 Acura TSX, red with black leather. It's now paid for and he wants to buy a small pick-up/suv to haul stuff and just to have a different type of vehicle in addition to keeping the Acura.
The budget is about $21-$22K.
I haven't looked at cars like we did yesterday in a LONG time and it was so much fun. We stopped at the following manufacturers... and I wanted to look around too. Chevrolet GMC Honda Ford Dodge/Chrysler Buick Acura Jeep Jaguar Land Rover
What my friend really wants is a Ford Ranger, 2x4, extended cab w/opening rear half doors, 4 cylinder, etc. NO Ford dealer in the area seems to have any Rangers. Just one at one dealer and none at the other (he has had the same experience in the Atlanta area). Also, GMC/Chevrolet didn't have any small trucks.... but they ALL had tons-and-tons of every configuration that you can possibly imagine of the large trucks (Ford/Chevy/GMC/Dodge)....Dually's, 4x4's, 2x4's, short bed, long bed, a zillion color combos......you name it!
What gives??? No small trucks? And, it's not like you see'm all over the road.
In the SUV department, the Jeep Compass is not bad for $21K as is the Chevrolet HHR ($20K).
Now, I'm going to be all over the page here.... Other opinions...I thought the Buick Regal, Chevy Malibu ,etc. seemed priced high for what they are, the Chevy Cruze seemed reasonably priced.
The newly styled Honda Civic is very nice looking. Can't wait to see the new 2012 CR-V.
The new Chevy Camaro convertible is smoke'n hot! I wouldn't kick a Mustang Convertible out of the garage either!
The new Durango is sharp and huge! The new Dodge Charger is very nice looking and priced reasonably in it's market place.
I'm thinking the New 2012 Jaguar XJL will replace the aging 2001 Mercedes S500 in the stable. Jaguar actually had 5 good possible 2011's right there on the lot but I'm getting ready to go on a long motorhome trip and by the time I get back, the 2012's will be here.... so, might as well wait.
Mark156
2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
If you try to dump that Pilot after the first year just to save a few dollars in gas, you will be taking a painful beating in depreciation plus you would probably be paying a premimum for tha hybrid.
And, for what? To "save" a few dollars in your gas budget?
If you try to dump that Pilot after the first year just to save a few dollars in gas, you will be taking a painful beating in depreciation plus you would probably be paying a premimum for tha hybrid.
I guess I'm just rather indifferent towards the Pilot. Will I dump it? Probably not, won't be able to handle the loss. I won't need that big of a vehicle in a year, but you are right, dumping it will result in a stomach turning loss.
When it comes down to it, my son will be gone next summer and the Escort will be here. I'll drive that if I want to save gas, its turned out to be a very nice little car.
My daughter is still dreaming of a Honda Element in either citrus fire metallic, omni blue pearl, or tango red pearl. The Escort won't cut it for her and I really don't think she has the strength to push in a clutch.
The Civic will be turning 80k very soon, still a great little car.
Fintail, this is not my first time at the rodeo... LOL! I've never had a car that worth all that much at trade in. The '01 S500, 86,000 miles, black with tan leather.... no accidents, a few door dings, very clean..... maybe worth about $10,000 or so? Paid $101,000 including tax.
Also, the E-class is used as taxi cabs in Europe... not the version we are used to buying..clothe seats, no sunroof, plain wheels, etc. While in Europe, they use their own cars for rentals and cabs like we do here.
Mark156
2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
I can't say how they are all designed, but VW's HPFP is lubricated by the sulfur found in diesel fuel. ULSD doesn't have enough to lubricate it properly. As it stands, at least to the 2 people my father works with who have them, VW is telling them their warranty is void because of, as the warranty booklet states, improper fueling. Now, you would think that meant putting gas in your diesel vehicle... but they are using it as a loophole to denying coverage for using ULSD, too.
The big rigs still have no problems handling ULSD, so this is definitely vehicle specific and could be fixed with proper design.
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akangl, I paid $4.32 a gallon for diesel at the end of March in California (motorhome is currently in storage). I'm in TN now and will head back there next week. I'm going on a 6,500 mile trip starting mid summer and I'm thinking diesel will hit $5.50 a gallon.
So, 6,500 miles at 7.0 miles a gallon will work out to 928.5 gallons x $5.50= $5107.00 for fuel on my trip. I didn't buy the motorhome for it to sit so we'll still go and enjoy ourselves. I just won't look at the pump. LOL! What can you do?
Mark156
2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
10K might be possible if the dealer is nice, those W220s can be troublesome, but IIRC yours has been lucky, maybe you can sell it on that. The nice colors and one owner history will help it - maybe sell it yourself and get 10-12K out of it.
I've rented one of those cloth E-class before - loved getting over 40mpg overall out of a car that size. But they have awesome highline cars in fleets too - V12 BMWs, V8 Jags, etc. You could go on a vacation and take a test drive :shades:
So, 6,500 miles at 7.0 miles a gallon will work out to 928.5 gallons x $5.50= $5107.00 for fuel on my trip.
*cringe* Once again makes me VERY glad we sold our TT and came to our senses before we bought another.
Traveling for us is just too difficult with all the kid's meds now, hard enough to keep track of everything at home, let alone while traveling. She wanted to go to ND for Christmas, but its just too overwhelming, so trying to get grandma to come here.
I think we will spend our summer obsessing over the lawn, lots of work to do to make it look good. Our landlord must love us, lol. Maybe a few small fishing trips, but with gas as high as it is now time to stay home more.
Actually, camping is cheaper than other travel figuring if you would actually use the camper. I know you kept yours parked for a long time.
If you were to take your family of four, fly to ND, rent a car, stay in a hotel, pay for restaurant food, you will come out better with the camper/truck combo (amortized over several years). I'm not sure how often you see your Mom, etc., but even camping close to home is fun.
The good thing about camping, you get to eat your own food and most importantly, you can stay in your own bed. It's also good in developing memories with the kids and socializing with other campers. State parks are usually low priced and if you keep the foot light on the pedal, the gas mileage wouldn't be too bad.
I have really gotten closer to my Dad from camping (my Mom passed away 9 yrs ago). We never camped as kids, Dad was too busy working developing his business and worked 6 days a week, 10 hrs a day. I meet my Dad (age 90 and is living with my brother now), my brother and his wife once or twice a year (they have a class A motorhome). This year, we are going to meet in St. Louis over the 4th of July weekend which is about 5 hrs from our home town in TN.
Now, if you just stay home, that's the cheapest way to go.... but, what fun is that? :P
Mark156
2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
I purchased a 2004 VW Passat diesel new from the dealer. At 14,000 miles the car started to run rough and was hard to start. Went to Vw and they said 2 of the glow plugs were not working . They said they would fix the problem. (not to mention that the porter side swiped the drivers side door going into the service bay.) The original plugs were cermaic, the ones they installed were metal with a different soft ware program. The meatel plugs melted into the cylinder walls. The engine was destroyed. Then they recieved a engine block that was warped and had to order a new one another 2 weeks. They finally finished but they said the put in some ceramic plugs the found somewhere. So we were at stage 1. I dumped the car a month later.
I had a co-worker with an 04 Jetta diesel that always had little issues, and he'd tell me great stories of the dealer issues he'd have no matter where he took it. My favorite was the failed radio - when he got it back, it had a new radio - but they left the dash disassembled.
A VW can be a great car, if you have another car to drive while it isn't working. The TDIs appear to be economical to own until something expensive breaks, then your savings on fuel are more than wiped out.
While we had some issues with it (O2 sensor right after delivery, steering problems), all were repaired under warranty - regular or extended - without complaint by the dealer.
Would we get another? Maybe, but with the second coming of the "Americanization" of VW, I'd probably stick with something like a GTI.
Driving around Phoenix in a Chevy Aveo. Reminds me a bit of my 1982 Honda CM 200 Twinstar motorcycle. It does have a/c and a radio but not near as much fun.
was out to lunch at Subway, which just happened to be across the street from a Ford dealer, so decided to stop in. Finally saw a Focus in person. Actually very nice design. 4 door was quite roomy, but the hatch looked like it would have terrible rear visibility (only sat in a 4 door).
Nice seats too, though they lacked front/rear height adjustment even with the power option.
but man, the price! An SEL 4 door on the floor was over 25K, and did not even have a moonroof. The cars on the lot ranged from a tick over 20K, to over 26K for a titanium
No sticks of course, but an SE with roof (hatch) they had still ran 23.5K, with cloth manual seats.
Not that I am in the market, but at those prices, I don't think so!
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according to her, the new model is vastly nicer overall (comfort, driving) than hers is, She has an AWD 535, the 550 is RWD (so likely will be parked most of the winter like the old one was!) Hard to imagine they sell many RWD 5 series in upstate NY (aka snow country).
gorgeous dark gray with dove gray leather. Quite attractive, especially the front end.
Have not been inside it yet. Hopefully I get a shot to drive it at some point.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
i actually prefer the look of the previous generation (2004-2010) E60 5 series.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I too greatly prefer this one to the E60. It's more conservative, but not in a bad way.
The ION went in yesterday for a transmission fluid flush. The original quote was for $140, but I soon found out that the ION, like most GM vehicles, requires Dextron-6 fluid, which upped the price almost $100. Sheesh. However, I did notice that the transmission shifts much smoother now. The guys at the shop tell me that it's good for another 60K.
The CX-7 went to the dealer this morning for its first oil change and tire rotation. I also mentioned that it has been pulling to the right since we took it off the lot. A computerized alignment found that the left rear toe was off by .001, so they corrected it and will submit it as a warranty claim. The first oil change was on the house, so I only had to shell out $20 for the rotation. Score!
Bruce, the guys at Groove are real nice to deal with .. not sure if that's where the CX-9 goes, but I do recommend them.
While on the lot I did find a new MS3 - base, no options, for $24K. Didn't drive it as the sales folks were all in a meeting with the GSM.
Anyway, the CX-7 is all ready for the road trip next month, and the ION just needs a tire rotation to be good for the time being.
Still waiting for the computerized maintenance software on the MINI to tell us it's ready for the first service. It's been just over a year and I think it has around 11K miles on it, so I expect it will be soon.
The bogging issue has yet to be resolved, and now the A/C compressor is grinding.
What are everyone's thoughts on a 2011 Sonata? Base GLS with Automatic transmission. May or may not look at it with the popular equipment package (an extra $750).
ff, so sorry to hear of your continued troubles with the BMW.
Some friends of ours just bought a Sonata GLS - this after 2 Santa Fes, so they are certainly a Hyundai family. I think they like it pretty well.
My folks have an '03 Sonata GLS V6 with (get this) 27K on it. They had been Toyota fans for some time and were all set to get another Camry when they found out about the Sonata. Could get the V6 for less money than a 4-cyl Camry.
Look at a Fusion too. the SE is a nice piece too, and quick with the V6.
hard for you to give up the driving experience though I would imagine. Not that you get to drive it much!
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Not to mention, at some point, financially, I need to cut my losses. I like the looks and features of the Sonata for an attractive 19k (dealer offered with no negotiation) and a great warranty. It is also surprisingly peppy.
I don't know. I will feel crappy no matter what decision I make.
I don't know what would work for you in this circumstance, but definitely not a Hyundai. Fusion Sport, Malibu V-6, Regal Turbo, even a Camry V-6, but not a Hyundai.
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The Pilot seems to be sticking to 18 mpg with mostly city driving. Its not too bad, but unless gas prices go down next spring I'll be downsizing it to probably a hybrid since I drive mostly in the city. Will be down to 1 kid next spring as well and probably won't need all the room anymore either.
Against hubby's wishes I intend to cut the F-250 from the stable this fall. Nobody drives it, I think its had 1300 miles put on it since October. So unless that changes it will be moving on down the road, there's already a high school kid who's begging to buy it and is saving his pennies.
A new Focus might be there but it will not have many niceties. You are really looking at Ford, Chevy, and all the other mainstream brands small or base midsize cars. The Sonata is very overrated but gets a lot of buzz on the net, perhaps due to a rumored orchestrated campaign by the company.
I wish you luck.
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Rant over and I would never give an opinion on a car I've never driven...much better to drive one to see how it really drives thus having some credibility on the subject. Wish others would do the same!
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
I have, and the reality is that it is like a lot of other cars in its class. It is not the "game-changer" that some would have you believe. It has a lot of hard plastic in the interior and lousy steering. It is noisy and while some like the styling it is not for me. It looks overdone both inside and out, like it is trying too hard.
I have driven the 4-banger Malibu and it is a better car. I have driven the 4-banger Fusion and it is about the same overall; some things better, some not so. I have driven in a 4-banger Accord and liked it better.
Given the hype that accompanied the Sonata on the net it could barely not be overrated, but the reality is that it is extremely overrated. I'm glad your friends love their Sonatas. I know a bunch of people that love their Accords and Camrys and Malibus too. Some people love Walmart, but that does not mean they always have good products.
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What Edmunds Says
The previous Sonata was a solid contender, but for 2011, the Hyundai Sonata vaults itself to the top of the class.
Pros
Smooth ride, high fuel economy, comfortable and handsome cabin, spacious trunk, capable handling, impressive value, strong safety scores, lengthy warranty.
Cons
Some consumers may miss V6 option, rough ride in SE trim, can be tight on headroom.
I also recognize that I am limited in terms of budget. The smaller cars do not interest me (a la Focus and Elantra), as we already have one smaller one (a Mazda 3) in the household and I'd rather have something a bit larger.
Any other suggestions, ab348 and others?
the other option for your situation of course is finding something interesting on a killer subsidized lease. doesn't necessarily solve the problem, but it does kind of postpone it for a few years!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
So, they now have a silver Nissan Sentra 2.0S. I am devastated that they didn't check with me first, but I will get over it!
probably a good car for them. they no longer travel very far usually, so for around town use it should be nicely economical.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Other suggestions:
Legacy - starts very near the Sonata's starting price.
Suzuki Kizashi - magazines seem to like it.
VW Golf - just check one out and see for yourself. The fit, finish, and ride quality beats out all other popular choices, IMHO. Probably as close to your BMW's ride quality as you are going to get for under $20k. And it really is much roomier inside than the outside dimensions would have you believe.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
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Stick - I am seriously considering leasing right now, just to avoid any out of pocket expenses (given the cash outlay that the BMW has required). The Sonata seems to be leasing well, then there is always the Subaru subsidized leases.
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The budget is about $21-$22K.
I haven't looked at cars like we did yesterday in a LONG time and it was so much fun. We stopped at the following manufacturers... and I wanted to look around too.
Chevrolet
GMC
Honda
Ford
Dodge/Chrysler
Buick
Acura
Jeep
Jaguar
Land Rover
What my friend really wants is a Ford Ranger, 2x4, extended cab w/opening rear half doors, 4 cylinder, etc. NO Ford dealer in the area seems to have any Rangers. Just one at one dealer and none at the other (he has had the same experience in the Atlanta area). Also, GMC/Chevrolet didn't have any small trucks.... but they ALL had tons-and-tons of every configuration that you can possibly imagine of the large trucks (Ford/Chevy/GMC/Dodge)....Dually's, 4x4's, 2x4's, short bed, long bed, a zillion color combos......you name it!
What gives??? No small trucks? And, it's not like you see'm all over the road.
In the SUV department, the Jeep Compass is not bad for $21K as is the Chevrolet HHR ($20K).
Now, I'm going to be all over the page here.... Other opinions...I thought the Buick Regal, Chevy Malibu ,etc. seemed priced high for what they are, the Chevy Cruze seemed reasonably priced.
The newly styled Honda Civic is very nice looking. Can't wait to see the new 2012 CR-V.
The new Chevy Camaro convertible is smoke'n hot! I wouldn't kick a Mustang Convertible out of the garage either!
The new Durango is sharp and huge! The new Dodge Charger is very nice looking and priced reasonably in it's market place.
I'm thinking the New 2012 Jaguar XJL will replace the aging 2001 Mercedes S500 in the stable.
Mark156
Jag is a class act though...and in Germany, they are in the rental fleet.
If you try to dump that Pilot after the first year just to save a few dollars in gas, you will be taking a painful beating in depreciation plus you would probably be paying a premimum for tha hybrid.
And, for what? To "save" a few dollars in your gas budget?
I guess I'm just rather indifferent towards the Pilot. Will I dump it? Probably not, won't be able to handle the loss. I won't need that big of a vehicle in a year, but you are right, dumping it will result in a stomach turning loss.
When it comes down to it, my son will be gone next summer and the Escort will be here. I'll drive that if I want to save gas, its turned out to be a very nice little car.
My daughter is still dreaming of a Honda Element in either citrus fire metallic, omni blue pearl, or tango red pearl. The Escort won't cut it for her and I really don't think she has the strength to push in a clutch.
The Civic will be turning 80k very soon, still a great little car.
Also, the E-class is used as taxi cabs in Europe... not the version we are used to buying..clothe seats, no sunroof, plain wheels, etc. While in Europe, they use their own cars for rentals and cabs like we do here.
Mark156
The big rigs still have no problems handling ULSD, so this is definitely vehicle specific and could be fixed with proper design.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
hey, only ... what? $700 per month in depreciation? no sweat!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
So, 6,500 miles at 7.0 miles a gallon will work out to 928.5 gallons x $5.50= $5107.00 for fuel on my trip. I didn't buy the motorhome for it to sit so we'll still go and enjoy ourselves. I just won't look at the pump. LOL!
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I've rented one of those cloth E-class before - loved getting over 40mpg overall out of a car that size. But they have awesome highline cars in fleets too - V12 BMWs, V8 Jags, etc. You could go on a vacation and take a test drive :shades:
*cringe* Once again makes me VERY glad we sold our TT and came to our senses before we bought another.
Traveling for us is just too difficult with all the kid's meds now, hard enough to keep track of everything at home, let alone while traveling. She wanted to go to ND for Christmas, but its just too overwhelming, so trying to get grandma to come here.
I think we will spend our summer obsessing over the lawn, lots of work to do to make it look good. Our landlord must love us, lol. Maybe a few small fishing trips, but with gas as high as it is now time to stay home more.
If you were to take your family of four, fly to ND, rent a car, stay in a hotel, pay for restaurant food, you will come out better with the camper/truck combo (amortized over several years). I'm not sure how often you see your Mom, etc., but even camping close to home is fun.
The good thing about camping, you get to eat your own food and most importantly, you can stay in your own bed. It's also good in developing memories with the kids and socializing with other campers. State parks are usually low priced and if you keep the foot light on the pedal, the gas mileage wouldn't be too bad.
I have really gotten closer to my Dad from camping (my Mom passed away 9 yrs ago). We never camped as kids, Dad was too busy working developing his business and worked 6 days a week, 10 hrs a day. I meet my Dad (age 90 and is living with my brother now), my brother and his wife once or twice a year (they have a class A motorhome). This year, we are going to meet in St. Louis over the 4th of July weekend which is about 5 hrs from our home town in TN.
Now, if you just stay home, that's the cheapest way to go.... but, what fun is that? :P
Mark156
I had a co-worker with an 04 Jetta diesel that always had little issues, and he'd tell me great stories of the dealer issues he'd have no matter where he took it. My favorite was the failed radio - when he got it back, it had a new radio - but they left the dash disassembled.
I don't think I can call that camping. I mean, when we would go to my parents' cabin, we wouldn't call it camping. You just have a cabin on wheels. :P
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Truer words were never spoken. I loved my old Rabbit when it worked. That just wasn't often enough.
While we had some issues with it (O2 sensor right after delivery, steering problems), all were repaired under warranty - regular or extended - without complaint by the dealer.
Would we get another? Maybe, but with the second coming of the "Americanization" of VW, I'd probably stick with something like a GTI.
Nice seats too, though they lacked front/rear height adjustment even with the power option.
but man, the price! An SEL 4 door on the floor was over 25K, and did not even have a moonroof. The cars on the lot ranged from a tick over 20K, to over 26K for a titanium
No sticks of course, but an SE with roof (hatch) they had still ran 23.5K, with cloth manual seats.
Not that I am in the market, but at those prices, I don't think so!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.