Sweet....both of those 335 coupes. Either one would work. I'd have no preference of 3 pedals vs 2 pedals. Automatics in these cars are as excellent as their manual trans.
As isellhondas will tell tou, when it's time to sell, you'll get more, and have an easier time selling the autos.
Yup, that generation of Celicas still had timing chains...and the beautiful '82 above looks sweet, but it bears mentioning that the '82 was the last year of carburetion for the Celica, and I'm not sure I would want to mess around too much with a 30 year old car with its original carburetor, although you never know when you are going to get lucky.....
....and the cowls and rear hatches ALWAYS rusted in the '82-'85 Celicas......
Edit....I just realized something rather amusing: my new Yaris has as much hp as that '82 Celica! The Celica might have been lighter though, and that 22R had a lot more torque than the Yaris, like 140 lb-ft or something if memory serves.
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Found a private party listing on ebay. It's a local 2006 330i with NAV and 6-speed manual. 1 owner, all dealer maintenance, 57k. He is asking $20,900 but said he would be negotiable.
Also, still considering that NAV EX-L 5-speed 2009 Civic. I know it's a tad expensive but it is a needle in a haystack. I searched nationwide and only found one other Civic with the same combo and it had 20,000 more miles and was only $2000 cheaper.
If I recall correctly, you have leased BMW demo vehicles before. How does that work? I have found a 2011 328 in my color combination/options .. the original MSRP was $46,000, they are selling it for $36,000. How does this translate to a demo lease? Do the miles that are currently on the car count against the total mileage allowed in the lease?
miles are whatever you negotiate them to be. But I look at is as getting a higher mile lease, but having some come off the top. But, the cap cost should be lower to make up for it.
so if it has 6K on it, you should "pay" for a 3/36 but get a 3/30.
(current mileage minus 500) X $0.30 = residual reduction from zero mile car
So, if it has 8000 miles:
(8000 - 500) X $0.30 = $2500 residual reduction..
Is there still a decent factory lease program in place on the 2011 328i? I know there are still good deals on the '11 328xi
EDIT: It doesn't affect your lease mileage... If you lease for 3yr/36K on a car that has XXXX miles, then your total miles allowed is 36K + XXXX..... so, you still get the 36K miles to drive...
From what I can tell the money factor is .00190 and the residual is 64%. I was looking to buy used so we can just pay cash or finance and keep the cash in reserves .. however, if I find a good enough lease deal on a newer one it would be hard to turn down the extra warranty.
I am waiting to see what kind of deal they can work out on a white/black 2011 328 with 8,000 miles. It has NAV, USB/IPod, and sport package. Also still waiting to hear back if the seller of that 06 will drop his price from 20,900.
Make sure that's not the AWD model lease.... I've heard the incentives aren't nearly as good on the RWD model (unless you are looking at AWD, and I missed that).
from looking online at my local dealer, the only lease deals still showing are for the xi. I believe that the dealer doesn't even have any RWD units in stock at all, so no need for anything from BMWFS
Yeah.... the new 2012 model is out in RWD, so no inventory... might be different down south where anon is though, when it comes to leftovers..
The only lease numbers I've seen are for AWD '11 models and RWD '12 models... Not sure if they even have a decent program for the leftover '11 RWDs.... few and far between, as noted....
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Doubt it'll be gone by September considering our move date is still very uncertain. We had intended to keep the F-150 until right before we were leaving but this was way too good of a deal to pass up.
As for the diesel getting dumped after the move, I doubt it since hubby wants to travel and intends to pick up another RV, have to have something to tow it with. I think the next replacement will be the Civic in a year or two, its sitting just shy off 99k miles and we will probably pass that on to our daughter......even though she doesn't want a stick shift.....too bad is my feeling!
The diesel is a nice truck, gets great fuel economy, and we need a truck, why dump it? I don't miss all the new electronic crap that the Ford had, not at all.
Now if I could just figure out why the air deflector on the sunroof was so darn loose......back to the garage to start taking things apart, I will figure it out!
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Have decided to look at hyper milers to use for the daily commute. Considering a Toyota Prius 3 or a Jetta/Golf TDI. The Prius would be cheaper, just not sure if it would be entertaining enough to keep us occupied once the novelty of 50 MPG wears off.
The novelty of 55 mpg and nothing but $55 oil changes every 10k miles never gets old. [the first 2 are included at no charge] The prius drives fine -- like an average car with zero issues.
Have decided to look at hyper milers to use for the daily commute. Considering a Toyota Prius 3 or a Jetta/Golf TDI. The Prius would be cheaper, just not sure if it would be entertaining enough to keep us occupied once the novelty of 50 MPG wears off.
Given your desire to have something a bit fun to drive, I'd think the Golf/Jetta would be better suited to you. You have a Tiguan, so you're already familiar with the VW driving dynamics.
The Prius would be an appliance and I think you'd become bored with it fairly quickly.
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Yeah, tell us more about the type of driving you do.
The Prius C is supposedly a bit more fun than a Prius, though I haven't sampled them. What bugs me is the tiny gas tank (just 9.5 gallons).
I have a 3rd option for you - Mazda3 Skyactiv. Check fueleconomy.gov, the automatics are actually getting better mileage than the TDI DSGs (35.2mpg vs 34.0mpg), and remember diesel costs more than gasoline. For manuals the TDI is ahead 37.9mpg TDI, 35.8mpg SkyActiv. Even then, diesel prices around me mean the SkyActiv would cost less in fuel, which is surprising.
These are all stellar numbers, though, and the Mazda3 costs a bunch less than a Prius or a TDI.
I priced one out at under $19k with alloys, cruise, keyless. Pretty basic but not stripped by a long shot. The Golf TDI and Prius were more like mid twenties.
Soon we should see a Cruze diesel (hatch is Europe only though) and a SkyActiv diesel, too. Don't overlook the Focus 5 door SFE, either.
I'm only looking casually, but I'm considering the same type of car - a city car/fuel sipper.
Anyway, there's a slight chance that I'll be coming into the Honda fold. In a convoluted way, at least. Here's the story. Brevity never was my strong suit, so bear with me
Anyway, my uncle has a 2003 Corolla that has around 220,000 miles on it, if not more. It's been a good car, but it's also had a pretty rough life. Well, my uncle wants to put it in the shop, have the mechanic go over it thoroughly, and find out what all it needs. If it ends up being too catastrophic, I'm going to tell him to cut his losses, and just go get a new car.
Now, here's where I come in. My uncle would need my help in getting the replacement car, so I'd have some say in the matter. With luck, his Corolla won't need much, and he can keep driving it until it drops, but I want to keep my options open. Tentatively, I've been thinking about replacing it with a Civic or another Corolla. The Cruze has crossed my mind, but if we got a car, it would be a fairly basic model, and the Cruze doesn't really get good economy unless you get the more costly turbo or Ecotech models.
Anyway, what do y'all think of the latest Civic? I know it's taken some flak, but I have to confess that I kinda like it. I haven't driven one yet, or even sat in one, but I'm curious. The Corolla, while supposedly all-new for 2008, just seems like a heavy facelift of the 2003-2007.
On one hand, the Civic appears to be bigger inside and gets better economy than the Corolla, but on the other, the Corolla is probably cheaper.
So, if you were in my shoes, what would you do? I also thought about just getting a newer, but still used Corolla. A local dealership group with internet pricing has some in the 2009-2010 range, with around 35-40K miles, for around $14,000. Used Civics tend to be more sparse, and pricier.
Right now, my uncle drives his '03 Corolla to work on M-W-F, and I think it's about 90-100 miles round trip, so maybe 300 miles per week. On Tues/Thurs/Sat he drives his '97 Silverado to dialysis, and uses it for most of his local running around, as he finds it much more comfortable. My guess is the truck goes about 100-125 miles per week.
We went through a similar issue last week, when he put the truck in for a thorough going-over. It needed a new rear-end, intake manifold, distributor, and a ton of other stuff, and ultimately came to around $4800 to fix. And, that time, I had toyed with the idea of just getting a new truck instead of him putting all that money into the old one. I figured we could use his '97 as a trade-in, and then I could retire my aging, yet refusing-to-die '85 Silverado, and we could both use the new truck. But, he started rushing things, didn't give me time to check on insurance, dealer quotes, etc, got impatient, and authorized all that repair work.
I just don't want to see him make the same mistake with his Corolla.
Oh, and if we end up having to go the new car route, I'd plan on driving it from time to time as well, to make sure I got some use out of it, but he'd be the primary driver.
when I sat in one, the new CIvic was decidedly underwhelming to me. I really can't see you fitting comfortably or enjoying it!
In his case, I would actually see what the news was on the Corolla inspection, and assuming there is nothing dangerous or ominous, ignore the report and just keep driving it. Sunk cost now.
But, the Civic is still probably a fine choice for an economical commuter for him. IMO, anyone that can drive a corolla in the first place will drive anything. talk about a terribly uncomfortable, tacky as heck car. Wolud drive me insane within a week.
In his case, I would actually see what the news was on the Corolla inspection, and assuming there is nothing dangerous or ominous, ignore the report and just keep driving it. Sunk cost now.
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping happens. As far as I know, it's not leaking anything or making any noises of impending doom, so with luck the Corolla will check out okay, and need mostly just maintenance stuff.
It's kinda funny how, when that '03 Corolla was new, it seemed like a great little car. But, time has passed it by, and now it just seems thoroughly mediocre. I remember back in 2007, I drove it up to PA and back, just out of curiosity to see if I could contend with something that small on a long-term basis. Ended up hating it after about 10-15 minutes, although it was mostly because of the driving position. Legroom is skimpy and the steering wheel is too low, even in the upper-most position. I remember getting something like 37.4 mpg on the trip, which was nice. However, I'd been able to break 30 on that same trip with my 2000 Intrepid, and came close to 30 once with my Park Ave, so I don't know if an extra 7-8 mpg was really worth the sacrifice in comfort.
I liked the '08 refresh on the Corolla, but don't like what they've done with it most recently. The front-end now just looks heavy-handed, like they're trying, lamely, to make the car appear bigger than it is.
The current Civic intrigues me a bit because, on paper at least, the front seat appears pretty roomy. 42" of legroom, 56.6" of shoulder room, and 39" of headroom. That sounds downright mid-sized to me! But, I'd have to actually sit in one to see how it really feels.
My uncle's only 5'9" or 5'10", so legroom's really not an issue with him like it is for me.
I know neither a Corolla nor a Civic is the poster child for driving excitement, but all my uncle really needs is an appliance. But, I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed, in the hopes that his '03 doesn't need anything major!
My take on the new Civic is..." They didn't change it enough..it looks just liket he 2006-2011's"
This has been the perception of the naysayers too.
Honda doesn't like to rock the boat. When they have a great car that is a top seller they are reluctant to make too many changes. Through the years whenever there was a major model change I would hear two things...
" Oh, I really LOVE the changes!" or.....
" Why did Honda screw up a good thing?"
The 2012 Civics are great cars! drove one and found it to be quietier than the previous models.
The car magazines that rag on the new Civics won't say a peep when some of the cars they tout don't age nearly as well.
I'll compare a ten year old honda with 150,000 miles to anything else on the road. I think that's what REALLY counts!
My take on the new Civic is..." They didn't change it enough..it looks just liket he 2006-2011's"
I liked the 2006-2011 Civic, as well. The few times I sat in one, it seemed a little roomier than the Corolla. Still smaller than what I'm used to, but legroom seemed a little better, and the steering wheel seemed to go up a little higher.
When the 2006 Civic first came out, it reminded me just a little of a baby Intrepid. At certain angles, the 2012 Civic makes me think a bit of a second-gen Neon. So maybe it's that slight Mopar tangent that keeps them on my radar? :P
When I got my 2005 Accord (it was a leftover), I had actually gone in all excited about the newly released 2006 Civic. I think the primary reason I did not get it was the driver's seat. Very uncomfortable, and suffered from the "dump" effect. That is the trend to replace front and back height adjustments with a single ratchet lever, that pitches you forward when the seat raised. Mazda did the same thing with the 3 (vs. the Protege).
the Civic also was not comfy in general to me. And a bad driver's seat is an immediate DQ for me!
Helped that I paid barely more for an Accord with a lot more equipment than the Civic would have cost.
If the reliability is anything like the prev gen then they are fantastic. Our '09 has just shy of 100k on it and other than oil changes and a battery its needed nothing but tires and gas.
The only gripe is the seat and leg room. Hubby sat in a '12 and said it was much better, he just doesn't want another Civic, would rather keep his until he can get something more exciting.....like a Mustang or Camaro or Challanger or who knows what.......I think he has an impending mid-life crisis coming!
My commute is 22 miles each way. Of that 22 miles, 4 miles are side streets with a fair amount of stop and go. The other 18 miles are expressway. I work crazy hours so I'm only in serious traffic a couple of days a week. We do some around town driving on my days off and a family trip every 6 months. My husband drives the Tiguan and I commute in the RAV4 currently since its an automatic.
I realized I am getting old. Last week, I test drove an automatic 328 and a 6-speed manual. I actually preferred the automatic. I'm holding out hope that it was just because it had the sport package and better seats.
I am not a fan of the new Civics. Honda seems to be draining the personality out of it.
I am not a fan of the new Civics. Honda seems to be draining the personality out of it.
Why not a Mazda 3? Close to 40 MPG with either the auto or the 6-speed, and a bit more personality than a CivRolla. Plus, you can get either a sedan or a hatch.
Top spec model is about $25K - similar to a Golf TDI.
Don't think of it as getting old, I've got an E90 (non-sport) 328xi with an automatic & ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! They are just making auto trannies that much better compared to the old 3 speed & 4 speed units of the '80s & '90s.
When I need my stick fix, I've still got my '01 Type SH Prelude which I bought brand new on 4/27/02. It has just over 146K.
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I don't fluke are for those wheels on the 128i M Sport. Besides, if you get a 1 then you need a 135i.
That 645ci doesn't do much for me. I'd rather have that 6-speed Montego Blue 335i Coupe you posted last week for similar money.
I Love that E36 M3, but people ask stupid money for them, especially the 4 door.
That M5 to a regular buyer looks scary with all those miles & a rebuilt engine, but the guy might be as crazy as you are. That E34 M5 might be the car you are looking for. Give him a call & talk to him. See how well his story holds up, specifically why was the engine rebuilt?
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Thanks for that tip on the Mazda3. It would make a really nice 3rd car for all those around town trips.
In the current issue of Consumer Reports, they tested the Maz3 and Suburu Imprezza. Pretty much a tie but they moved them both to the top of their small car ratings.
I think I've said this before, but my Mazdaspeed 3 has worked its way back into my good graces- after a less than stellar reliability experience over the first 3 years it's been problem free the last 50,000 miles. I may just hold on to it until the new M135i comes out.
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I think too much has been made of the changes or lack of on the '12 Civic. We have an '09 EX and have been delighted with it. It seems to be a well balanced car with a good ride-handling, decent power, good mpg, reliable. All we've done so far is one set of tires, normal oil changes, filters and a transmission flush. I recently drove a '12 and noticed it was quieter and had slightly more comfortable seats. Some of the new high tech features are nice, too. If we were in the market to replace the '09, I would give the '12 serious consideration.
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this one isn't bad looking either. And a year newer (in honor of GG- post eyebrows). If you don't mind 2 pedals and AWD.
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As isellhondas will tell tou, when it's time to sell, you'll get more, and have an easier time selling the autos.
....and the cowls and rear hatches ALWAYS rusted in the '82-'85 Celicas......
Edit....I just realized something rather amusing: my new Yaris has as much hp as that '82 Celica! The Celica might have been lighter though, and that 22R had a lot more torque than the Yaris, like 140 lb-ft or something if memory serves.
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Yes, but I really want a rwd stick or DCT; also, the Carfax shows it was in a severe accident with airbag deployment... :surprise:
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Also, still considering that NAV EX-L 5-speed 2009 Civic. I know it's a tad expensive but it is a needle in a haystack. I searched nationwide and only found one other Civic with the same combo and it had 20,000 more miles and was only $2000 cheaper.
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so if it has 6K on it, you should "pay" for a 3/36 but get a 3/30.
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So, if it has 8000 miles:
(8000 - 500) X $0.30 = $2500 residual reduction..
Is there still a decent factory lease program in place on the 2011 328i? I know there are still good deals on the '11 328xi
EDIT: It doesn't affect your lease mileage... If you lease for 3yr/36K on a car that has XXXX miles, then your total miles allowed is 36K + XXXX..... so, you still get the 36K miles to drive...
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I am waiting to see what kind of deal they can work out on a white/black 2011 328 with 8,000 miles. It has NAV, USB/IPod, and sport package. Also still waiting to hear back if the seller of that 06 will drop his price from 20,900.
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The only lease numbers I've seen are for AWD '11 models and RWD '12 models... Not sure if they even have a decent program for the leftover '11 RWDs.... few and far between, as noted....
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I'm loving that big used truck too. Excellent fuel economy, no sync system, and so far no issues.
Always for a reason too....
Bets anyone?
Put me down for the end of September.
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Doubt it'll be gone by September considering our move date is still very uncertain. We had intended to keep the F-150 until right before we were leaving but this was way too good of a deal to pass up.
As for the diesel getting dumped after the move, I doubt it since hubby wants to travel and intends to pick up another RV, have to have something to tow it with. I think the next replacement will be the Civic in a year or two, its sitting just shy off 99k miles and we will probably pass that on to our daughter......even though she doesn't want a stick shift.....too bad is my feeling!
The diesel is a nice truck, gets great fuel economy, and we need a truck, why dump it? I don't miss all the new electronic crap that the Ford had, not at all.
Now if I could just figure out why the air deflector on the sunroof was so darn loose......back to the garage to start taking things apart, I will figure it out!
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Given your desire to have something a bit fun to drive, I'd think the Golf/Jetta would be better suited to you. You have a Tiguan, so you're already familiar with the VW driving dynamics.
The Prius would be an appliance and I think you'd become bored with it fairly quickly.
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how long is the commute anyway? And is it all city traffic or open road?
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The Prius C is supposedly a bit more fun than a Prius, though I haven't sampled them. What bugs me is the tiny gas tank (just 9.5 gallons).
I have a 3rd option for you - Mazda3 Skyactiv. Check fueleconomy.gov, the automatics are actually getting better mileage than the TDI DSGs (35.2mpg vs 34.0mpg), and remember diesel costs more than gasoline. For manuals the TDI is ahead 37.9mpg TDI, 35.8mpg SkyActiv. Even then, diesel prices around me mean the SkyActiv would cost less in fuel, which is surprising.
These are all stellar numbers, though, and the Mazda3 costs a bunch less than a Prius or a TDI.
I priced one out at under $19k with alloys, cruise, keyless. Pretty basic but not stripped by a long shot. The Golf TDI and Prius were more like mid twenties.
Soon we should see a Cruze diesel (hatch is Europe only though) and a SkyActiv diesel, too. Don't overlook the Focus 5 door SFE, either.
I'm only looking casually, but I'm considering the same type of car - a city car/fuel sipper.
Anyway, my uncle has a 2003 Corolla that has around 220,000 miles on it, if not more. It's been a good car, but it's also had a pretty rough life. Well, my uncle wants to put it in the shop, have the mechanic go over it thoroughly, and find out what all it needs. If it ends up being too catastrophic, I'm going to tell him to cut his losses, and just go get a new car.
Now, here's where I come in. My uncle would need my help in getting the replacement car, so I'd have some say in the matter. With luck, his Corolla won't need much, and he can keep driving it until it drops, but I want to keep my options open. Tentatively, I've been thinking about replacing it with a Civic or another Corolla. The Cruze has crossed my mind, but if we got a car, it would be a fairly basic model, and the Cruze doesn't really get good economy unless you get the more costly turbo or Ecotech models.
Anyway, what do y'all think of the latest Civic? I know it's taken some flak, but I have to confess that I kinda like it. I haven't driven one yet, or even sat in one, but I'm curious. The Corolla, while supposedly all-new for 2008, just seems like a heavy facelift of the 2003-2007.
On one hand, the Civic appears to be bigger inside and gets better economy than the Corolla, but on the other, the Corolla is probably cheaper.
So, if you were in my shoes, what would you do? I also thought about just getting a newer, but still used Corolla. A local dealership group with internet pricing has some in the 2009-2010 range, with around 35-40K miles, for around $14,000. Used Civics tend to be more sparse, and pricier.
Right now, my uncle drives his '03 Corolla to work on M-W-F, and I think it's about 90-100 miles round trip, so maybe 300 miles per week. On Tues/Thurs/Sat he drives his '97 Silverado to dialysis, and uses it for most of his local running around, as he finds it much more comfortable. My guess is the truck goes about 100-125 miles per week.
We went through a similar issue last week, when he put the truck in for a thorough going-over. It needed a new rear-end, intake manifold, distributor, and a ton of other stuff, and ultimately came to around $4800 to fix. And, that time, I had toyed with the idea of just getting a new truck instead of him putting all that money into the old one. I figured we could use his '97 as a trade-in, and then I could retire my aging, yet refusing-to-die '85 Silverado, and we could both use the new truck. But, he started rushing things, didn't give me time to check on insurance, dealer quotes, etc, got impatient, and authorized all that repair work.
I just don't want to see him make the same mistake with his Corolla.
Oh, and if we end up having to go the new car route, I'd plan on driving it from time to time as well, to make sure I got some use out of it, but he'd be the primary driver.
In his case, I would actually see what the news was on the Corolla inspection, and assuming there is nothing dangerous or ominous, ignore the report and just keep driving it. Sunk cost now.
But, the Civic is still probably a fine choice for an economical commuter for him. IMO, anyone that can drive a corolla in the first place will drive anything. talk about a terribly uncomfortable, tacky as heck car. Wolud drive me insane within a week.
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Yeah, that's what I'm hoping happens. As far as I know, it's not leaking anything or making any noises of impending doom, so with luck the Corolla will check out okay, and need mostly just maintenance stuff.
It's kinda funny how, when that '03 Corolla was new, it seemed like a great little car. But, time has passed it by, and now it just seems thoroughly mediocre. I remember back in 2007, I drove it up to PA and back, just out of curiosity to see if I could contend with something that small on a long-term basis. Ended up hating it after about 10-15 minutes, although it was mostly because of the driving position. Legroom is skimpy and the steering wheel is too low, even in the upper-most position. I remember getting something like 37.4 mpg on the trip, which was nice. However, I'd been able to break 30 on that same trip with my 2000 Intrepid, and came close to 30 once with my Park Ave, so I don't know if an extra 7-8 mpg was really worth the sacrifice in comfort.
I liked the '08 refresh on the Corolla, but don't like what they've done with it most recently. The front-end now just looks heavy-handed, like they're trying, lamely, to make the car appear bigger than it is.
The current Civic intrigues me a bit because, on paper at least, the front seat appears pretty roomy. 42" of legroom, 56.6" of shoulder room, and 39" of headroom. That sounds downright mid-sized to me! But, I'd have to actually sit in one to see how it really feels.
My uncle's only 5'9" or 5'10", so legroom's really not an issue with him like it is for me.
I know neither a Corolla nor a Civic is the poster child for driving excitement, but all my uncle really needs is an appliance. But, I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed, in the hopes that his '03 doesn't need anything major!
This has been the perception of the naysayers too.
Honda doesn't like to rock the boat. When they have a great car that is a top seller they are reluctant to make too many changes. Through the years whenever there was a major model change I would hear two things...
" Oh, I really LOVE the changes!" or.....
" Why did Honda screw up a good thing?"
The 2012 Civics are great cars! drove one and found it to be quietier than the previous models.
The car magazines that rag on the new Civics won't say a peep when some of the cars they tout don't age nearly as well.
I'll compare a ten year old honda with 150,000 miles to anything else on the road. I think that's what REALLY counts!
I liked the 2006-2011 Civic, as well. The few times I sat in one, it seemed a little roomier than the Corolla. Still smaller than what I'm used to, but legroom seemed a little better, and the steering wheel seemed to go up a little higher.
When the 2006 Civic first came out, it reminded me just a little of a baby Intrepid. At certain angles, the 2012 Civic makes me think a bit of a second-gen Neon. So maybe it's that slight Mopar tangent that keeps them on my radar? :P
the Civic also was not comfy in general to me. And a bad driver's seat is an immediate DQ for me!
Helped that I paid barely more for an Accord with a lot more equipment than the Civic would have cost.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
If the reliability is anything like the prev gen then they are fantastic. Our '09 has just shy of 100k on it and other than oil changes and a battery its needed nothing but tires and gas.
The only gripe is the seat and leg room. Hubby sat in a '12 and said it was much better, he just doesn't want another Civic, would rather keep his until he can get something more exciting.....like a Mustang or Camaro or Challanger or who knows what.......I think he has an impending mid-life crisis coming!
I realized I am getting old. Last week, I test drove an automatic 328 and a 6-speed manual. I actually preferred the automatic. I'm holding out hope that it was just because it had the sport package and better seats.
I am not a fan of the new Civics. Honda seems to be draining the personality out of it.
Why not a Mazda 3? Close to 40 MPG with either the auto or the 6-speed, and a bit more personality than a CivRolla. Plus, you can get either a sedan or a hatch.
Top spec model is about $25K - similar to a Golf TDI.
When I need my stick fix, I've still got my '01 Type SH Prelude which I bought brand new on 4/27/02. It has just over 146K.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Manual seats(Yay!)- too bad it lacks Xenons and has a hole in the roof.
2005 645Ci
A bit of a sled, but it has three pedals and I love the interior.
1997 M3 Sedan
Pricey but VERY clean.
And finally...
1993 M5 Sedan
I'm afraid to go look at the M5; I'd almost certainly bring it home...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
There is a 2003 525 that also looks nice. And this 2008 328i is very nicely equipped, if you like black over black:
stealth 3 series
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I don't fluke are for those wheels on the 128i M Sport. Besides, if you get a 1 then you need a 135i.
That 645ci doesn't do much for me. I'd rather have that 6-speed Montego Blue 335i Coupe you posted last week for similar money.
I Love that E36 M3, but people ask stupid money for them, especially the 4 door.
That M5 to a regular buyer looks scary with all those miles & a rebuilt engine, but the guy might be as crazy as you are. That E34 M5 might be the car you are looking for. Give him a call & talk to him. See how well his story holds up, specifically why was the engine rebuilt?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
In the current issue of Consumer Reports, they tested the Maz3 and Suburu Imprezza. Pretty much a tie but they moved them both to the top of their small car ratings.
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Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
So much is strictly subjective.
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