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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    My kids '09 Versa SL hatch is an awesome vehicle...drives very nicely and it's somewhat economical to boot! I'd drive one if I didn't have the Civic, I think it's that good. One needs to live with a vehicle to see how good it really is. My kid made a great choice here and it's been very "cheap to keep" so far. We're all very pleased!

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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786
    Consider this a wave from a fellow ST1300 owner...

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,974
    Don't forget Autolenders. They sell everything high and seem to buy high. I still can't believe what they gave me for the Genesis, and even more so what they sold it for.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,506
    I see you are sort of checking out cheap used cars. I know of someone trying to (desperately) sell an '02 Celica GTS. I'll see if I can find the CL link at lunch for you. I think it is a stick, it has a fugly aftermarket nose & a bunch of TRD modifications & with it the requisite stereo. The car only has 84,000 miles on it and it is sitting because he's asking dumb money for it ($7K).

    I'm sure he's willing to take a lot less money. I'm not sure if this car is affected by the manual tranny issue you guys were describing yesterday .

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    Oh, I didn't know autolenders buys from private party. Good to know. Thanks.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    Eh, I don't think I'd be interested in that. But thanks anyway.

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Hey, how's it going? Waving right back..
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    edited May 2013
    Pretty sure trans is different. If it can't handle the torque of Toyota's diminutive (in output) 1.8, it'd be in way over its head with the Celica engine. There is an irony here though. The first std trans issues I had ever heard of in a Toyota, where either the older Celica or was it the Supra? Whatever it was I know for sure it was an AWD'r cuz I was considering buying one way back when. Lost interest when I heard they had trans issues as soon as 40000 miles (on the two I investigated). I almost think it mighta been the Supra because it had that terrific inline 6 which was the first draw for me.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    I like to shift on bikes, but I've encountered very few bike clutches that I care for. I could deal with a clutchless manual on a bike. I've heard the automatic bikes out there (FJR, Aprilia Mana) are kind of works in progress. I bet BMW could make a good one.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    Well, that would be the 6-speed also used in the Matrix XRS, which I believe you said above has clutch issues.

    I'm not sure the Supra came with AWD. I know there was the Celica All-trac, which might be what you are thinking of.

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Yes, that's right...the HO Matrix combo was a Celica engine wasn't it? It was a real breather...something like a 7 - 8000 rpm redline if I recall? But yes, that one is a 6 speed which apparently had a weak clutch, but didn't have the bearing issues of the 5 speed used in the low powered car.

    I guess it must have been the Celica All-Trac then because I know it was an AWD or I wouldn't have given it second notice. The first one I came across was a local neighbor selling it after he had had it fixed. It only had 80k km so 50 k miles..So while I checked out another in the city to compare before I bought his, I found that it too had had the tran replaced so I got cold feet about it.

    Toyota used to have such interesting offerings eh? Remember that inline 6 tho in the Supra? It was a real sweetheart. I had a similar but detuned version of it in an 87 Cressida that I bought to resell for profit years ago. I dunno what has happened to them...it is like they have become complacent to a fault but also smattered with specks of boredom.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    Hmmm... that's certainly interesting for the money.

    No sport pack, but damn that looks clean.

    If I could find one like this from a dealer, this might interest me the most.

    Although a Mini S could be a good compromise since it holds its own on a racetrack. But I think Shifty has made some comments on not-so-great reliability, and the back seat is SO bad on it.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    Damn this looks like it did back in 2002. Should the miles scare me on this one?

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Re the dare I?

    IMO, any car that is FWD, oriented to carrying a load and be versatile...if it's not AWD, then the handling goes a way out the window if you use said car for said usual intended purpose.

    Long live RWD... (this is why I think MB CLA...the FWD version.. will not be in favor for a vast majority of people who really drive, as opposed to just being behind the wheel.

    And AWD of course.. :blush:
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907
    I like the Aero..

    I'd never buy it, but I like it!!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    The handling of the 5 actually isn't bad at all. It is just a taller 3. I liked the one we had for that reason, but the automatic really killed it for me. Other nice thing is that all the aftermarket goodies for the 3 will work on it.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    apologize for the double post of those links, but Edmunds seems to be throwing a fit and now I can't delete it.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907
    That's okay... someone can do it.. ;)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    Ummm... the pics show a nice surprise on this one! Can you spot it? ;) I seriously may go look at this if it is still around this weekend.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907
    I see something from Saleen... is it a supercharger?

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    yup! :blush:

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    That RX-8 is a lot of car for under $10k. I realize they had their issues... (It's kind of like that girl who's extremely good looking but also extremely crazy.) :P
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Haha, interesting simile..but I think the car would be a safer bet ;)

    Love the lines on an RX8..super unique.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    edited May 2013
    Agreed its a great car for the money. Of course, you then have to feed the damned thing.

    That stang is really calling my name. Although quite a bit pricier than the RX8, it does have 20k fewer miles and something like... oh... 170 more hp and 300 more torques. :shades:

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384
    I like the WRX. probably not that many left bone stock these days.

    that Stang, could they possibly not even know? or just not care? Does that even add value, or scare a lot of people away?

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    edited May 2013
    I was bored and I have a friend who works at a local Ford dealer. X-Plan price with the options I want(ORANGE paint and heated Recaros) is @$24,700- or about what I was offered on an Abarth with similar options. Funny thing; both cars are made in Mexico but the Abarth engine comes from Michigan, so it has just about as much US content as the Ford.
    I'm still leaning toward keeping the Mazda for @18 months(when I'm fully retired) but I'm wondering if it will make it to 150k-160k without some major expenses(turbo, timing chain, clutch, etc).
    As for ponycars, I truly wanted to like the newer Mustangs, but I just don't. And I hate to admit it, but I really prefer the Challenger R/T Classic and the SRT-8. I think that they really nail the proper retro vibe; I only wish that they weren't so big and heavy- an R/T Classic weighs within @100 pounds of my 1974 Monte Carlo. It would make a sweet cruise, regardless...

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  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    >> Why oh why does this have to get such HORRIBLE mileage?!

    Because Wankel.

    Don't get me started, a friend of mine has one and I get updates regularly... He's played around with the "fuel maps" on his in a valiant attempt to get 25 mpg. So far in vain.

    Really interesting driving experience, though.
    Very sweet car.
    Engine just winds and winds, super smooth, good power, great handling car.
    You couldn't give me one.

    Cheers -Mathias
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    edited May 2013
    Rather than double post, here's something I put on RWTIV this morning:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ee9c851/43817#MSG43817
    (BTW, I really like the way links on this forum open a new tab)

    Short version, prices on $5k used cars apparently still went up year-over-year.
    Nuts.

    Thanks to the good folks here for keeping the supply coming :)

    Cheers -m
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,506
    You definitely have a knack for attracting nice, manual transmission cars. Of the ones that you posted, the 2 that really caught my eye is that all original WRX & the sleeper Saleen supercharged Mustang.

    I don't think the mileage on that WRX would scare me. The Saabaru I drove for kyfdx was in MUCH worse shape & I can't imagine it was maintained as well, but it still pulled strong and shifted nicely. If you check out other WRXs of that vintage, you'll see them out there with many more miles.

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  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192
    I rented a nearly new 2013 Jetta SE 2.5 while
    in Maine last week.
    Can you write up a few impressions of your GLI,
    now that you have had it for a while?
    Thanks,
    - Ray
    Planning to test drive a GLI at some point .....
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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Short version, prices on $5k used cars apparently still went up year-over-year.
    Nuts.


    Gee, does that mean that my 89,000 mile 2006 Saturn ION is worth more now than this time last year?

    Not that it's going anywhere.

    Wife and I saw a commercial from John Elway Chevrolet advertising Cruze LS leases with $0 down and $119/mo. Probably doesn't have enough miles to allow me to deliver pizzas with it.

    Same car is also advertised for $13,988 purchase - let's see, $3K for the ION as trade, another $1K of GM rewards and I've got a new car for 10 grand (plus tax).

    Too bad the LS trim is so stripped.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907
    Well.. from looking at WRXs, I can tell you there will be some serious issues with that one, most likely.... they are the most beat on, modified cars on the planet...

    I really like the supercharged Mustang, but those chrome wheels? Those have to go....

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    ha. I was thinking the same thing. I like those style wheels, but not in chrome. I'd probably have to refinish them somehow. Or I'll get lucky and one of the 2 spare sets I have at home will fit.

    This morning, I started pulling the mods on the bimmer. I hope to get the stock downpipes and airbox back on tonight, then I just have to swap the wheels and remove the piggyback on Thurs night. Hopefully, the stang is still there on Friday and I get out of work early for the holiday.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    edited May 2013
    So I just decided to take a peek, for whatever reason, and I've discovered that, I believe, Ford is offering $4k incentives on leftover 2013 Mustangs ($3k that you could probably easily find and another $1k per the Ford website for folks currently leasing a non-Ford ... thank you Nissan Leaf!). That would bring the price of a base GT coupe down to about $25,500. Now, I know I said I can't see paying in the $20s for a mustang, but I wasn't thinking NEW. Plus, absudly enough, used 2011s with 20k miles are hitting $22k at auction, making a new one look even better. Not to mention, I'm thinking of paying $16k for one that is near 7 years old.

    Anyway... its looking like a pipe dream because I have searched every dealer's inventory within 50 miles and did not find a single base GT.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Search up to 200 miles -- not that far -- 3-4 hour drive.
  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922
    Wow! You're all over the board on the car search!

    I'm kinda in a similar boat - I've had two people look at the 530i, one from California (he had a friend in Denver come check it out). No takers yet though. I'm still liking the Elantra GT and Mazda3, but also am intrigued with the Genesis sedan after having the rental last month. Not as economical, but seems to be a good value used. VW TDI's are always a consideration too.

    Like yourself, I'd like to think I can sell the 530i and just wait it out for awhile - split the driving between the 335 and Odyssey. But once it does sell, it may be too tempting to find the replacement straight away.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    If you have an interest in the Genesis, check out a LaCrosse. I checked both and bought the Buick. They are always giving super discounts -- don't know if used ones are priced right in comparison. I got the AWD --- which would be great in snow country. The legroom in front is spectacular. Might be worth a look-see.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,974
    I've had both. The Genesis rides like a truck but handles well and has great interior materials.The LaCrosse rides much better at the expense of handling. It all depends what you prefer, the Genesis is better for those who prefer a sporty sedan. If you want to be isolated buy the Buick.

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    Since you are all over the place, the best thing to do is just wait a bit, it's not like you don't have anything else to drive! Pull back for awhile and just drive the vehicles in the stable until you really decide on what you really want. Still look but not as intently and eventually, the perfect vehicle will present itself. Seems crazy to buy just to buy, that's just crazy. Give things a rest after you've sold the BMW and really decide what would make you the happiest in a vehicle. Go over all the vehicles you've purchased over the last 5 or so years and then go for something completely out there, something you've always wanted but have never bought. Think of the possibilities...!

    Right now, you're to all over the place...give it a rest to get a clear perspective. This is what "Dr. Sandman" advises for your current condition of "I don't know what to buy next"!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,506
    Qbrozen - I think a NEW Mustang GT (assuming you can find an absolutely stripped one) is just what the doctor ordered for you after your numerous repair$ to your 540i & now your 135i. Keep looking. You'll find it!

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    a bike! For pure acceleration and outta the showroom track capabilities, NOTHING can touch a bike for adrenaline/$ spent. Of course you need to find out if you have the aptitude first if you plan to tap into the extremes of its capabilities. Not everyone popped outta the womb a Valentino Rossi..
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    I can't tell if you are talking to me or breld. LOL

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    That's what I'm thinking. I'll actually have a multi-year warranty! Haven't had one of those in a LONG time. (well, OK, actually, the Leaf is under warranty... I tend to forget about a car that needs nothing but to be plugged in)

    Unfortunately, the de-modding of the 1 didn't go as smoothly as planned last night. A broken stud on the stock downpipe ensured that. So that project is extending into tonight. Then, hopefully, stop at a Ford dealer tomorrow eve. I do have a history of buying cars on Memorial Day weekend, after all. No idea why it works out that way. Guess its something to do with Spring fever.

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  • tommister2tommister2 Member Posts: 393
    I do have a history of buying cars on Memorial Day weekend, after all. No idea why it works out that way. Guess its something to do with Spring fever.

    I feel you on that. This is the time of year where I want to buy something the most. All of the Memorial Day sale ads don't help...
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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,506
    There definitely comes a point. Buy a new car. You deserve it. I also know you like to tinker with cars too. There's got to be tons of aftermarket performance parts for the Mustang GT. A debagded 5.0 GT almost like one of the old COPO cars from the '60s. Make people think you are driving a V6 until it is too late:)

    I know my lease isn't up for another 17 months, but there is nothing out there that WOWs me. Given the fact that my BMW is going to be a horrible "deal" to buy when the lease is up, I don't think I'll be buying that lease out. It would be cool to own something iconic like a Wrangler Unlimited or Mustang GT (automatics), but there is also a part of me that says lay low for a while. I could lease a Civic & a CRV. I could split the driving of those with my wife, cut down on her Pilot driving & have an extra car for my Mom & Mother-In-Law to drive when they watch my kids on Tuesday & Thursday respectively. They are both in their mid 60s & in very good health, but getting the kids in and out of their car seats is starting to become an issue for them. I think a CRV would be a good height for them plus then my Mother - In -Law could get something she wants instead of her Ford Flex that she loves, but is too big for her to drive everyday. My Mom loves her Cayenne, but I think it would be easier for her to take the kids in an out of the CRV. That's been my thought for today anyway. If I did that, it would count as 2 punches as well;)

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,297
    My family has had good luck in the past buying towards the end of the month. Depending upon how the manufacturer incentives are structured, the sales manager may be thinking that they need to move only a few more cars to get the next level of incentive.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    I can't help browsing while at work.

    I'm in love with this color! But I'm not sure its a real Shelby GT because, per this article they only came in black or white, had no rear spoiler, and said SHELBY on the trunk.

    What's wrong with it? That's way too cheap. They are $24k at auction with those miles.

    I can KIND OF see a bit of value here, given that it now has 100k mile powertrain warranty.(?)

    I like the color scheme. Again, price is right there with auction value. Wonder if its a Mustang thing that they have to sell them for no profit? haha.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    edited May 2013
    That is most definitely not a Shelby GT- although they were also available in Vista Blue:

    image

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384
    drive the BMW up to the kay honda, and if it is there and checks out, see if they will do an even swap! or close to it. heck, bring the Benz and make it a 2 for 1.

    I would worry more if it was at a cheesy used car place. Flood cars and all. But I imagine a reputable Honda dealer would be extremely cautious these days. Maybe just a fluke they got it cheap? Or gas is still high enough that used V8s are not the hottest ticket around.

    A couple of those color combos were a bit over the top for me. especially the orange one. it looked like a creamsicle.

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