@roadburner said:
One of my fellow track instructors in the BMW Club gets a company car, but it has to be a Ford- so he ordered an SHO with the vaunted "Performance Package"(upgraded brakes, suspension, lower final drive ratio). He took it out on the track at Putnam Park and after just five laps he rolled into the pits with the brakes smoking so bad I thought that they were on fire.
I haven't driven one, but I'm not shocked that the modern SHO is out of its element on the track. I don't think that's its intended purpose. I look at it more like a sportier version of the Taurus--cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks.
@qbrozen said:
A 4.3-sec Hyundai? How did I miss this one? Is this the 4200-lb sedan? If so, did you mean 5.3?
It is indeed a quick car, but 5.1 sec 0-60 is the best published result I've seen. Low 4 seconds is Vette territory, and quicker than our 5.0L Mustangs. Don't see how this Genesis is that fast.
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A friend of mine's wife just leased a B7 X Alpina. I'll let you know what the buy out in 3 years:)
I saw an ///M6 Grand Coupe the other day. It's gorgeous!
Have you driven a current body style M5, M6, or M6 Grand Coupe? The same guy I referenced above also has an M5 (and an X5M), they are quite docile and not what I'd call your cup of tea;)
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@corvette said:
I haven't driven one, but I'm not shocked that the modern SHO is out of its element on the track. I don't think that's its intended purpose. I look at it more like a sportier version of the Taurus--cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks.
I'd agree, except for the fact that Ford pushes the "Performance Package" as if it was an upgrade to make the sled track ready:
SHO Performance Package
For the discriminating automotive enthusiast, Ford offers the SHO Performance Package, which offers package-specific tuning to the suspension - including unique dampers and springs - that goes above and beyond the standard SHO. Other upgrades are even stronger brake pads and track-tuned calipers, a re-calibrated steering system, the ability to completely disable stability control, a 3.16 final drive ratio for improved acceleration, extreme-duty cooling, 20-inch machined and painted wheels and 245/YR20 performance summer tires.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the brakes; my 1984 T-Bird Turbo Coupe had binders that were good for only one hard stop from 80 mph. Try it again within a minute or so and the pedal went to the floor before the speed dropped to 50 mph. The Fox body Mustang 5.0 was equally bad- or worse; I remember that they would pull away from my E28 535is on the front straight at Putnam, but once they had braked for Turns 1 and 2 they had to use the brakes sparingly for the remainder of the lap in hopes that they would be working again the next time they entered Turn 1...
For what it's worth, I actually REALLY like one Mustang- the Boss 302 Laguna Seca...
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@qbrozen said:
A 4.3-sec Hyundai? How did I miss this one? Is this the 4200-lb sedan? If so, did you mean 5.3?
Here are the spec's on the ............ R-spec Genesis 5.0 sedan
Engine5.0 L V 8-cylinder,
Rear Wheel Drive
Transmission8-speed Automatic
Horse Power429 hp @ 6400 rpm
This sedan is a beast... Does 0-60 in 4.3 sec. Curb weight is 4036. Outside of a few expensive cars on the road, the top line mustang. Vet, and maybe the new Camaro there is nothing in this hp range for the money for a sedan like this.
To get this kind of hp @429 and more in a sedan/coupe you pay top dollar
BMW......= 550i or 650i or Mb, cls S63, E63, s550, Audi S-8 Vet-zo6 , Camaro ZL1... all over 429 hp
Here are some at 429 hp or lower.
Audi s7..........429 hp
Audi s-6.........429hp
Caddy cts v.....429 hp
Infiniti q60......343 hp
chevy camaro..426hp
camaro zl1...... 580 hp....
chevy ss sedan....415 hp
acura tl 3.7............305hp
Buick regal gs........305hp
5.0 and 5.1 for the 60 is whats posted on car and driver and road racer on the R-spec. Not 4.3
nope, sorry. I don't want to be a bench racer, but where have you heard this low 4-sec number? You realize that a standard Stang GT 5.0 is 420 hp, weighs several hundred pounds less, and is a half sec slower than what you are stating? I really think you misheard or misread a 5.3 number.
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Brian....while I like the Genesis V8, the specs I've seen from Car and Driver has the R Spec doing 0-60 in 5.1 secs and about 14 sec 1/4s. And, that's with the way C&D load up the revs while holding the brake (not something that's good for the car).
I know my previous S4 (V6) and E92 335i (straight 6) would both easily outgun the Genesis V8 (yes, I've driven one). It woudn't take much effort to do that, either. My guess is a G37, a V8 Challenger/Charger would do it.
We were talking about a Ford Taurus SHO. That would meet or beat the R Spec. It's a V6 (turbo), too. Probably pick one of those up for well under $40K these days.
Mustang GT, Camaro SS, 'Vettes, etc will easily leave the Genesis R in the dust.
Not saying it's a bad car. It just doesn't come close to a sub 4.5 sec 0-60.
Car and driver has this V-8 Genesis at 5.1 sec in the 60... Another test had it at 5.0 sec. still very Fast
Your S4 at 330 hp and curb of 3800 should be quicker off the line. .
The R-spec Genesis 5.0 sedan is not meant to be a race car its a balance of Luxury, power and large interior room which for me at over 6'1 and 240 its perfect size inside.. not to mention ultra quiet from road noise.
Your wrong on both the Ford sho, and the G37, My son has the 2013 G37 with 330 hp. My Genesis is faster but G37 car is 400 pounds lighter and quicker off the line...
Unless there is a upgraded version on The ford SHO its 365 hp, and weights over 4,300 pounds that looks like a no contest on paper for sure.. Genesis is 300 pounds lighter and 64 more hp...
The challenger has 470 hp. Straight line race car and motor. Put this vehicle up against real sports cars.
Dollar for dollar the Genesis gives you a great bang for your buck. Thats all i'm geting at. If i wanted to race people i'd buy a real sports car....... not a Genesis.. LOL
The V-6 genesis is 333hp with a 8sp auto.. A very good buy for about 36 to 38 k.
The redesign 2015 has been getting rave reviews with its new and improved suspensions and new Tech features. When Hyundia first came out with its Genesis 5 years ago it was so far ahead of its competition in price and options. The problem was who wants to buy a 40k hyundai.. Looks like hyundai has done it again for 2015... Aol auto, and Edmunds have nice reviews on this upcomming model out at the end of this year.
The reason why i did not wait to buy a 2015 model was the big open grille in the front. To me it looks awful. Check out the reviews and pictures on this 2015.. The list of standard features / tech, and upgrade features/ warranty for the price is what makes this vehicle attractive.
Hope my friends over at the Mb dealership dont read this. They may cut me off with my good pricing for crossing the Hyundai line...
Got me thinking about life after the E-GT (only 30 months left!). Ideally, I'd like to get two cars - one for delivery duty (beater) and another nicer car like the one above.
If I want a fast cheapish comfy cruiser sedan, I'll pick up another W210 E55 AMG - it predates the insanely complex suspension and electronics of later models, and is still good for 0-60 in 5-seconds flat. Insurance won't be bad, lots of DIY stuff, and a pristine one with very low miles won't cost more than 15K.
Thanks for pointing it out and thinking of me . Yup - I saw that ad on the forum, and it's posted on the local craigslist.
I think it's a little high on price. He paid $16,000 for it a month ago, but personally I think he paid a little high, and I think he might find that out now that he's trying to resell it here in Denver. And at the end of the day, the black on black is a bit boring to me. There's another ZHP sedan locally - Imola Red over black, with about the same miles as this black one, listed for over $2k less.
I think I mentally exhausted myself in looking for a ZHP all these months. I'm now hot on a Honda product, like a Civic Si or Prelude. But, of course, give it a month or two and I'll be back on the ZHPs or something else.
@Michaell@Edmunds said:
Hey, Breld? You need to update your signature line to include the TT, my friend.
Alright - just updated the sig, and removed the wagon, even though it's still technically in the fleet.
And I changed my thumbnail too - as often as I'm switching out the cars, I thought a picture of the dogs was better. I don't tend to swap them out nearly as often.
Was the 14 passat redesigned or did i see the 2015 model????... If so
What are your early thoughts and Review of the 14 passat????? Didn't get a chance to see the front of the car but i like what they did to the back and the lines on it..
How is rear/ side visibility/
gas mpg.
Motor size ? does it have enought pep.. if you have the 4cyl. Road noise ??
@breld said:
I think it's a little high on price. He paid $16,000 for it a month ago, but personally I think he paid a little high, and I think he might find that out now that he's trying to resell it here in Denver. And at the end of the day, the black on black is a bit boring to me. There's another ZHP sedan locally - Imola Red over black, with about the same miles as this black one, listed for over $2k less.
Owning an identical model (except mine is Imola), I prefer to think that he has under-priced it..
@kyfdx@Edmunds said:
Owning an identical model (except mine is Imola), I prefer to think that he has under-priced it..
Oh yeah - when I'm selling the 530i manual, or the 335xi manual, it's all about the rarity of the car and how you can't find anything else like it, and that's why it's priced higher than the book values. But then I get on the other side of the equation....aah, overpriced!
Was the 14 passat redesigned or did i see the 2015 model????... If so
What are your early thoughts and Review of the 14 passat????? Didn't get a chance to see the front of the car but i like what they did to the back and the lines on it..
How is rear/ side visibility/
gas mpg.
Motor size ? does it have enought pep.. if you have the 4cyl. Road noise ??
Other than adding the 1.8T to the lineup for 2014, I believe any changes were very minor. I believe there is a full refresh coming for 2015.
I have the 1.8T, 6-speed automatic model (Wolfsburg). Overall, I am very impressed with the car, other than wishing I had gone for a better equipped model (which, of course, is my own fault).
It's a large car, inside and out, which is why I got it. But it has a tight turning circle and is thus pretty maneuverable. Visibility is great - no blind spots to speak of, though I still would prefer a blind-spot monitoring system. VW is lagging a bit on some of those types of tech features - I imagine they'll start catching up soon.
The engine is magnificent. I think the 0-60 times are somewhere in the mid-7's, but by the seat of the pants, it feels very quick (for what it is) and passing feels secure and confident. And with that, MPG is impressive - I average in the low 30's, up to 40 sometimes on the highway. Not as great as a TDI, but not too far off, especially considering the cost of regular gas vs. diesel. Road noise is very muted - it's about as quiet a car as I've had.
The primary fault I have with it is it's not as athletic as some other offerings, such as the Mazda6, or even the previous model Passats. No doubt that is very intentional, and contributes to the comfortable ride. And, not having tested out all competitors in the class, I'm sure it's at least on par with most of the offerings.
A friend of mine's wife just leased a B7 X Alpina. I'll let you know what the buy out in 3 years:)
Have you driven a current body style M5, M6, or M6 Grand Coupe? The same guy I referenced above also has an M5 (and an X5M), they are quite docile and not what I'd call your cup of tea;)
I've driven the 650i Gran Coupe. I liked it OK- but my experience with a B7 Alpina and M Cars in general would make me relent with respect to my prejudice against big/heavy cars. The B7 I had for a couple of weeks was just astonishing...
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This could be a positive or negative depending on which side of the Chronic Car Buyer you stand:
With the BMW Pull Ahead Program, we can waive up to 6 remaining lease payments and have you in the driver's seat today instead of waiting until your scheduled lease termination date.
Then there is of course the obligatory link to their "Service Loaner Specials," which includes a 2014 X1 X-Drive with a $38,025 Sticker Price and a Sale Price of $32,995.
I just need to stay away from the dealership:) OBC Says 6,000 miles until my next service is due.
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This could be a positive or negative depending on which side of the Chronic Car Buyer you stand:
With the BMW Pull Ahead Program, we can waive up to 6 remaining lease payments and have you in the driver's seat today instead of waiting until your scheduled lease termination date.
Then there is of course the obligatory link to their "Service Loaner Specials," which includes a 2014 X1 X-Drive with a $38,025 Sticker Price and a Sale Price of $32,995.
I just need to stay away from the dealership:) OBC Says 6,000 miles until my next service is due.
Yeah, kyfdx and I have known about this BMW program for a while. We figured that if you never asked, we wouldn't tell.
But, you've got to buy or lease another BMW .. which, from your discussions here the past month or two, seemed unlikely.
Are you guys conspiring against me? Well, I thank-you for that! I'm really going to try and stick to my Passat TDI, Altima 2.5 SV, Legacy, reasonably priced car kick. Like I said, just keep me out of the BMW dealership until my lease is up:)
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So, my sister is on the hunt for her next car. They've got the Navigator and the 330i ZHP, and they're looking for a used Infiniti G coupe. They found a CPO with 30K on it for $25K at a local Infiniti dealer.
@jayrider said:
I think you said "up to six payments off" maybe you would only qualify for 3.
In Bradd's case, his lease is up in September, so all payments due before then would be waived (5 in total).
Any lease that is due between July and December can have a maximum of 6 payments waived. If the lease is due before that, up to 3 payments (April, May and June) can be waived.
@Michaell@Edmunds said:
So, my sister is on the hunt for her next car. They've got the Navigator and the 330i ZHP, and they're looking for a used Infiniti G coupe. They found a CPO with 30K on it for $25K at a local Infiniti dealer.
It's way up north, but the new Infiniti Dealer in Dacano has a real nice CPO G Coupe - I think it's a 2012 with only 11k miles or so. My wife drove it when she was looking at the Audi TT on their lot. I was shocked when she returned from the test drive legitimately interested in the car. Just doesn't really seem her style, but she really liked it. Of course, in the end, the TT won out.
@breld said:
It's way up north, but the new Infiniti Dealer in Dacano has a real nice CPO G Coupe - I think it's a 2012 with only 11k miles or so. My wife drove it when she was looking at the Audi TT on their lot. I was shocked when she returned from the test drive legitimately interested in the car. Just doesn't really seem her style, but she really liked it. Of course, in the end, the TT won out.
Well my sister lives in San Diego, so Dacono is quite the drive for her.
just got back from a 4 day trip of the near south (VA, SC, NC). Probably about 1,400 miles all together on the RDX. A fine road car. still needs a bigger tank though!
I forgot to reset the trip 2, but overall must have gotten just about 30 MPG (mostly highway of course, but a few around town stints). Highest legs per the trip computer was 32 (Rock hill SC to Burlington NC, about 120 miles), with 31.8 today (below Richmond to home near philly, about 260 miles). Running mostly around 70, but stretches at 75 and above. Got 29ish from home to Williamsburg on the way down.
@stickguy said:
Highest legs per the trip computer was 32 (Rock hill SC to Burlington NC, about 120 miles), with 31.8 today (below Richmond to home near philly, about 260 miles). Running mostly around 70, but stretches at 75 and above. Got 29ish from home to Williamsburg on the way down.
Those are outstanding numbers. My neighbor just bought a new CR-V and I don't think it will do any better (and it has a much less powerful engine).
I remember following my brother up I-95 a few years ago in NC, and he called me a few miles south of the Virginia border, advising me NOT to pass him, and to stay at the speed limit once in Virginia. He wasn't kidding. The 1st 10 miles into the state, we saw no less that 40 cars pulled over...
I suppose following the speed linit is good for mileage, no?
According to stuff.mit.edu/~jfc/laws.html, in VA, over 80 is reckless driving, and 90+ may get you jail time. The last time I was there, I had the cruise set at 70 because I saw a cop in the median every few miles.
I actually like their law that classifies failing to use a turn signal as reckless driving. I hope that one is enforced at least as well as their speed limit.
It's gotten better in VA. Just last month we cruised from northwest VA down I-81 and we had to slow down when we crossed into TN (70 to 65 for some 20 miles before going up to 70 again). Most people were going 75 in VA and we didn't see many cops.
The funniest part of that drive is hitting the 55 or 60mph speed limit sign in Knoxville - everyone goes 80 there.
Well now that the perennial cat is out of the bag about the pull ahead program, what would the mf & residual be on a 2014 X1 demo with 7,500 miles (36 months/ 12K per year)? I'm just curious;). Promise I won't go to the dealer until the car is due for service in another 6,000 miles;)
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Well now that the perennial cat is out of the bag about the pull ahead program, what would the mf & residual be on a 2014 X1 demo with 7,500 miles (36 months/ 12K per year)? I'm just curious;). Promise I won't go to the dealer until the car is due for service in another 6,000 miles;)
xDrive? sDrive? 28i? 35i?
Actually, it doesn't matter ... base MF is .00130 and residual is 59% for 36/12.
Looks like $1500 in build out cash.
kyfdx can chime in on how the demo miles affect any of the above numbers.
The mileage is accounted for by lowering the residual a set amount per mile. That number has bounced around over the last 6 years... It was $0.15 per mile in 2008, $0.30 per mile in 2011. The latest anecdotal evidence is $0.20/mi., this year. If it is $0.20/mile, then 7500 miles will lower the residual an additional $1500.
All other lease terms should be the same. Of course, you should expect to negotiate a selling price on the demo that is at least $1500 lower than what you would get on a new unit. Hopefully, a lot lower...
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So says the guy who's looking to pull ahead his lease 5 months early.
Hey, not to throw cold water on your X1 excitement, but have you actually taken a close look at one?
I ask because you've indicated that your wife will drive it frequently with the kids - I wonder how big they are inside, and if the car seats will fit.
I still think a good sized sedan might be the best direction for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm going to stick with sedan shopping for now. Both my boys will be in elementary school next year, so most of the time, my wife will be solo, with our daughter on her day off, or taking both boys to school (2 miles from my house). Either way, there is definitely room for 2 booster seats or 1 LATCHed in car seat. I'm going to start test driving sometime in June and narrowing choices down so she can pick what fits her best. I might as well keep my 328xi till the end of the lease:)
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Hey, a tape to aux adapter?! Way to sweeten the deal!
My biggest query: Why does it have a temp tag??! I'm thinking he bought it to resell it. But, man, better have been darned cheap to justify the tax and DMV fees you are throwing away.
BTW, wheels are terrible and those seat skins are looser than grandma's neck skin.
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Front bumper is scratched, it's missing the cover for the tow hook, missing front plate bracket and the bumper is torn all to heck underneath, wheels are ugly as sin, rear bumper beat up, left rear door beat up, trunk carpet torn up, spoiler is tacky and broken, and the grille is messed up. Cooling system looks original. What a turd.
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At some point, I'm going to have to get some butt time in a Mustang GT....2015 variety.
I haven't driven one, but I'm not shocked that the modern SHO is out of its element on the track. I don't think that's its intended purpose.
I look at it more like a sportier version of the Taurus--cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. 
A 4.3-sec Hyundai? How did I miss this one? Is this the 4200-lb sedan? If so, did you mean 5.3?
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It is indeed a quick car, but 5.1 sec 0-60 is the best published result I've seen. Low 4 seconds is Vette territory, and quicker than our 5.0L Mustangs. Don't see how this Genesis is that fast.
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@brian125
Yes, I like small light cars; my only "barge"was my first car- a 1974 Monte Carlo. Right now the only larger cars I actually would want to own are the Alpina B6 Gran Coupe or the M6 Gran Coupe. My next car will probably be a Z4 M Coupe or Cayman S- unless BMW sees fit to offer a limited slip as a factory option on the M235.
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@roadburner
A friend of mine's wife just leased a B7 X Alpina. I'll let you know what the buy out in 3 years:)
I saw an ///M6 Grand Coupe the other day. It's gorgeous!
Have you driven a current body style M5, M6, or M6 Grand Coupe? The same guy I referenced above also has an M5 (and an X5M), they are quite docile and not what I'd call your cup of tea;)
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I'd agree, except for the fact that Ford pushes the "Performance Package" as if it was an upgrade to make the sled track ready:
SHO Performance Package
For the discriminating automotive enthusiast, Ford offers the SHO Performance Package, which offers package-specific tuning to the suspension - including unique dampers and springs - that goes above and beyond the standard SHO. Other upgrades are even stronger brake pads and track-tuned calipers, a re-calibrated steering system, the ability to completely disable stability control, a 3.16 final drive ratio for improved acceleration, extreme-duty cooling, 20-inch machined and painted wheels and 245/YR20 performance summer tires.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the brakes; my 1984 T-Bird Turbo Coupe had binders that were good for only one hard stop from 80 mph. Try it again within a minute or so and the pedal went to the floor before the speed dropped to 50 mph. The Fox body Mustang 5.0 was equally bad- or worse; I remember that they would pull away from my E28 535is on the front straight at Putnam, but once they had braked for Turns 1 and 2 they had to use the brakes sparingly for the remainder of the lap in hopes that they would be working again the next time they entered Turn 1...
For what it's worth, I actually REALLY like one Mustang- the Boss 302 Laguna Seca...
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Here are the spec's on the ............ R-spec Genesis 5.0 sedan
Engine5.0 L V 8-cylinder,
Rear Wheel Drive
Transmission8-speed Automatic
Horse Power429 hp @ 6400 rpm
This sedan is a beast... Does 0-60 in 4.3 sec. Curb weight is 4036. Outside of a few expensive cars on the road, the top line mustang. Vet, and maybe the new Camaro there is nothing in this hp range for the money for a sedan like this.
To get this kind of hp @429 and more in a sedan/coupe you pay top dollar
BMW......= 550i or 650i or Mb, cls S63, E63, s550, Audi S-8 Vet-zo6 , Camaro ZL1... all over 429 hp
Here are some at 429 hp or lower.
Audi s7..........429 hp
Audi s-6.........429hp
Caddy cts v.....429 hp
Infiniti q60......343 hp
chevy camaro..426hp
camaro zl1...... 580 hp....
chevy ss sedan....415 hp
acura tl 3.7............305hp
Buick regal gs........305hp
5.0 and 5.1 for the 60 is whats posted on car and driver and road racer on the R-spec. Not 4.3
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nope, sorry. I don't want to be a bench racer, but where have you heard this low 4-sec number? You realize that a standard Stang GT 5.0 is 420 hp, weighs several hundred pounds less, and is a half sec slower than what you are stating? I really think you misheard or misread a 5.3 number.
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Brian....while I like the Genesis V8, the specs I've seen from Car and Driver has the R Spec doing 0-60 in 5.1 secs and about 14 sec 1/4s. And, that's with the way C&D load up the revs while holding the brake (not something that's good for the car).
I know my previous S4 (V6) and E92 335i (straight 6) would both easily outgun the Genesis V8 (yes, I've driven one). It woudn't take much effort to do that, either. My guess is a G37, a V8 Challenger/Charger would do it.
We were talking about a Ford Taurus SHO. That would meet or beat the R Spec. It's a V6 (turbo), too. Probably pick one of those up for well under $40K these days.
Mustang GT, Camaro SS, 'Vettes, etc will easily leave the Genesis R in the dust.
Not saying it's a bad car. It just doesn't come close to a sub 4.5 sec 0-60.
@breld
This one is in Denver... calling your name:
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Identical miles to mine...
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Graphicguy,
Car and driver has this V-8 Genesis at 5.1 sec in the 60... Another test had it at 5.0 sec. still very Fast
Your S4 at 330 hp and curb of 3800 should be quicker off the line. .
The R-spec Genesis 5.0 sedan is not meant to be a race car its a balance of Luxury, power and large interior room which for me at over 6'1 and 240 its perfect size inside.. not to mention ultra quiet from road noise.
Your wrong on both the Ford sho, and the G37, My son has the 2013 G37 with 330 hp. My Genesis is faster but G37 car is 400 pounds lighter and quicker off the line...
Unless there is a upgraded version on The ford SHO its 365 hp, and weights over 4,300 pounds that looks like a no contest on paper for sure.. Genesis is 300 pounds lighter and 64 more hp...
The challenger has 470 hp. Straight line race car and motor. Put this vehicle up against real sports cars.
Dollar for dollar the Genesis gives you a great bang for your buck. Thats all i'm geting at. If i wanted to race people i'd buy a real sports car....... not a Genesis.. LOL
The V-6 genesis is 333hp with a 8sp auto.. A very good buy for about 36 to 38 k.
The redesign 2015 has been getting rave reviews with its new and improved suspensions and new Tech features. When Hyundia first came out with its Genesis 5 years ago it was so far ahead of its competition in price and options. The problem was who wants to buy a 40k hyundai.. Looks like hyundai has done it again for 2015... Aol auto, and Edmunds have nice reviews on this upcomming model out at the end of this year.
The reason why i did not wait to buy a 2015 model was the big open grille in the front. To me it looks awful. Check out the reviews and pictures on this 2015.. The list of standard features / tech, and upgrade features/ warranty for the price is what makes this vehicle attractive.
Hope my friends over at the Mb dealership dont read this. They may cut me off with my good pricing for crossing the Hyundai line...
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Oh, that's just mean. I like it!
Got me thinking about life after the E-GT (only 30 months left!). Ideally, I'd like to get two cars - one for delivery duty (beater) and another nicer car like the one above.
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If I want a fast cheapish comfy cruiser sedan, I'll pick up another W210 E55 AMG - it predates the insanely complex suspension and electronics of later models, and is still good for 0-60 in 5-seconds flat. Insurance won't be bad, lots of DIY stuff, and a pristine one with very low miles won't cost more than 15K.
Thanks for pointing it out and thinking of me
. Yup - I saw that ad on the forum, and it's posted on the local craigslist.
I think it's a little high on price. He paid $16,000 for it a month ago, but personally I think he paid a little high, and I think he might find that out now that he's trying to resell it here in Denver. And at the end of the day, the black on black is a bit boring to me. There's another ZHP sedan locally - Imola Red over black, with about the same miles as this black one, listed for over $2k less.
I think I mentally exhausted myself in looking for a ZHP all these months. I'm now hot on a Honda product, like a Civic Si or Prelude. But, of course, give it a month or two and I'll be back on the ZHPs or something else.
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Alright - just updated the sig, and removed the wagon, even though it's still technically in the fleet.
And I changed my thumbnail too - as often as I'm switching out the cars, I thought a picture of the dogs was better. I don't tend to swap them out nearly as often.
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breld,
Was the 14 passat redesigned or did i see the 2015 model????... If so
What are your early thoughts and Review of the 14 passat????? Didn't get a chance to see the front of the car but i like what they did to the back and the lines on it..
How is rear/ side visibility/
gas mpg.
Motor size ? does it have enought pep.. if you have the 4cyl. Road noise ??
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Owning an identical model (except mine is Imola), I prefer to think that he has under-priced it..
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Here are the world's fastest sleeper cars?
Acura Sleeper Cars
2010 Acura TL SH-AWD (Manual) 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.7
2011 Acura RL SH-AWD 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter mile 14.5
Audi Sleeper Cars
2008 Audi RS4 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter mile 12.9
2008 Audi RS6 Avant 0-60 mph 4.4
2007 Audi S8 L (W12) 0-60 mph 5.0
1995 Audi RS2 Avant 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter Mile 13.4
2011 Audi RS3 Sportback (Auto) 0-60 mph 3.7 Quarter Mile 12.1
2012 Audi Q3 2.5L Turbo 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.6
BMW Sleeper Cars
2007 BMW M5 Touring (Wagon) 0-60 mph 4.7
2013 BMW M5 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter Mile 11.8
2010 BMW 760Li 0-60 mph 4.4
2011 X3 xDrive35i 0-60 mph 5.4
Buick Sleeper Car
1986 Buick Regal Grand National 0-60 mph 4.8 Quarter mile 13.7
Cadillac Sleeper Cars
2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon 3.6 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter Mile 15.2
2009 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan (6-Speed Manual) 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.0
2006 Cadillac STS-V 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter mile 13.0
Chevy Sleeper Cars
2006 Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter mile 13.9
2006 Chevrolet Impala SS 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 14.0
2014 Chevrolet SS 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter Mile 12.8
Chrysler Sleeper Cars
2012 Chrysler 300C SRT8 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter Mile 12.6
Dodge Sleeper Cars
2005 Dodge Magnum SRT8 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter mile 13.4
2003 Dodge Ram SRT10 (Manual) 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 12.9
2008 Dodge Caliber SRT4 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 14.2
Ford Sleeper Cars
2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2007 Ford F-150 FX2 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 14.2
2011 Ford Flex Titanium 0-60 mph 6.0
2010 Ford Taurus SHO 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.6
2002 Ford Ranger Thunderbolt SLP 4.0L 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.7
2013 Ford Focus ST (5-Door) 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter Mile 14.4
GMC Sleeper Trucks
1993 GMC Typhoon 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.9
1994 Lingenfelter GMC Suburban 0-60 mph 4.7
Hyundai Sleeper Cars
2011 Hyundai Sonata SE 2.0T 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter Mile 14.5
2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec Sedan 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter Mile 13.1
Infiniti Sleeper Cars
2011 Infiniti M56s 0-60 mph 4.8 Quarter Mile 13.3
2009 Infiniti FX50S 0-60 mph 4.9 Quarter mile 13.4
Jaguar Sleeper Cars
2004 Jaguar S-Type R 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.5
2005 Jaguar XJR 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter mile 13.0
2010 Jaguar XFR 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter Mile 12.7
2011 Jaguar XJ Supersport 0-60 mph 4.0 Quarter Mile 12.2
Jeep Sleeper Vehicles
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter mile 13.0
Lexus Sleeper Cars
2011 Lexus GS 460 0-60 mph 5.3
2008 Lexus LS 600hL 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter Mile 13.6
2008 Lexus LX 570 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 15.3
2007 Lexus IS 350 0-60 mph 4.8 Quarter mile 13.3
2011 Lexus IS-F 0-60 mph 4.2
Lincoln Sleeper Cars
2012 Lincoln MKS (3.5L EcoBoost) 0-60 mph 5.3
Mazda Sleeper Cars
2010 Mazdaspeed 3 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter Mile 13.7
2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed 6 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.8
Mercedes-Benz Sleeper Cars
2011 Mercedes G55 AMG 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.8
2012 Mercedes E63 AMG Sedan 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter Mile 11.9
2007 Mercedes ML63 AMG 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter Mile 13.0
2007 Mercedes S65 AMG 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.2
2007 Mercedes R63 AMG 0-60 mph 4.5
Nissan Sleeper Cars
2010 Nissan Altima 3.5SR Sedan 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter Mile 14.2
2010 Nissan Maxima SV 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter Mile 14.3
2005 Nissan Stillen Titan King Cab 4x2 (Supercharged) 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.4
Pontiac Sleeper Cars
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP 0-60 mph 4.9 Quarter Mile 13.0
Subaru Sleeper Cars
2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Spec B 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.8
Toyota Sleeper Cars
2012 Toyota Sequoia SR5 0-60 mph 6.5
VW Sleeper Cars
2012 Volkswagen Golf R 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter Mile 14.0
2012 Volkswagon Jetta GLI 0-60 mph 5.7
2011 Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid 4WD (Supercharged) 0-60 mph 5.8 Quarter Mile 14.3
Volvo Sleeper Cars
2007 Volvo S80 AWD 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 14.2
2004 Volvo V70R 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter mile 14.4
2012 Volvo S60 T6 R-Design 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter Mile 13.6
Maybach Luxury Sleeper Cars
2011 Maybach 62S 0-60 mph 5.2
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
Oh yeah - when I'm selling the 530i manual, or the 335xi manual, it's all about the rarity of the car and how you can't find anything else like it, and that's why it's priced higher than the book values. But then I get on the other side of the equation....aah, overpriced!
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Other than adding the 1.8T to the lineup for 2014, I believe any changes were very minor. I believe there is a full refresh coming for 2015.
I have the 1.8T, 6-speed automatic model (Wolfsburg). Overall, I am very impressed with the car, other than wishing I had gone for a better equipped model (which, of course, is my own fault).
It's a large car, inside and out, which is why I got it. But it has a tight turning circle and is thus pretty maneuverable. Visibility is great - no blind spots to speak of, though I still would prefer a blind-spot monitoring system. VW is lagging a bit on some of those types of tech features - I imagine they'll start catching up soon.
The engine is magnificent. I think the 0-60 times are somewhere in the mid-7's, but by the seat of the pants, it feels very quick (for what it is) and passing feels secure and confident. And with that, MPG is impressive - I average in the low 30's, up to 40 sometimes on the highway. Not as great as a TDI, but not too far off, especially considering the cost of regular gas vs. diesel. Road noise is very muted - it's about as quiet a car as I've had.
The primary fault I have with it is it's not as athletic as some other offerings, such as the Mazda6, or even the previous model Passats. No doubt that is very intentional, and contributes to the comfortable ride. And, not having tested out all competitors in the class, I'm sure it's at least on par with most of the offerings.
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I've driven the 650i Gran Coupe. I liked it OK- but my experience with a B7 Alpina and M Cars in general would make me relent with respect to my prejudice against big/heavy cars. The B7 I had for a couple of weeks was just astonishing...
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This could be a positive or negative depending on which side of the Chronic Car Buyer you stand:
With the BMW Pull Ahead Program, we can waive up to 6 remaining lease payments and have you in the driver's seat today instead of waiting until your scheduled lease termination date.
Then there is of course the obligatory link to their "Service Loaner Specials," which includes a 2014 X1 X-Drive with a $38,025 Sticker Price and a Sale Price of $32,995.
I just need to stay away from the dealership:) OBC Says 6,000 miles until my next service is due.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Yeah, kyfdx and I have known about this BMW program for a while. We figured that if you never asked, we wouldn't tell.
But, you've got to buy or lease another BMW .. which, from your discussions here the past month or two, seemed unlikely.
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@kyfdx @michaell
Are you guys conspiring against me? Well, I thank-you for that! I'm really going to try and stick to my Passat TDI, Altima 2.5 SV, Legacy, reasonably priced car kick. Like I said, just keep me out of the BMW dealership until my lease is up:)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
There aren't any stellar deals on BMW leases, anyway..
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Well $5k off the x1 plus 6 payments forgiven is a heck of a nice starting point.
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So, my sister is on the hunt for her next car. They've got the Navigator and the 330i ZHP, and they're looking for a used Infiniti G coupe. They found a CPO with 30K on it for $25K at a local Infiniti dealer.
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I think you said "up to six payments off" maybe you would only qualify for 3.
In Bradd's case, his lease is up in September, so all payments due before then would be waived (5 in total).
Any lease that is due between July and December can have a maximum of 6 payments waived. If the lease is due before that, up to 3 payments (April, May and June) can be waived.
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I like the way you think! You are just as evil as our 2 hosts;)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
It's way up north, but the new Infiniti Dealer in Dacano has a real nice CPO G Coupe - I think it's a 2012 with only 11k miles or so. My wife drove it when she was looking at the Audi TT on their lot. I was shocked when she returned from the test drive legitimately interested in the car. Just doesn't really seem her style, but she really liked it. Of course, in the end, the TT won out.
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Well my sister lives in San Diego, so Dacono is quite the drive for her.
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just got back from a 4 day trip of the near south (VA, SC, NC). Probably about 1,400 miles all together on the RDX. A fine road car. still needs a bigger tank though!
I forgot to reset the trip 2, but overall must have gotten just about 30 MPG (mostly highway of course, but a few around town stints). Highest legs per the trip computer was 32 (Rock hill SC to Burlington NC, about 120 miles), with 31.8 today (below Richmond to home near philly, about 260 miles). Running mostly around 70, but stretches at 75 and above. Got 29ish from home to Williamsburg on the way down.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Those are outstanding numbers. My neighbor just bought a new CR-V and I don't think it will do any better (and it has a much less powerful engine).
I remember following my brother up I-95 a few years ago in NC, and he called me a few miles south of the Virginia border, advising me NOT to pass him, and to stay at the speed limit once in Virginia. He wasn't kidding. The 1st 10 miles into the state, we saw no less that 40 cars pulled over...
I suppose following the speed linit is good for mileage, no?
According to stuff.mit.edu/~jfc/laws.html, in VA, over 80 is reckless driving, and 90+ may get you jail time. The last time I was there, I had the cruise set at 70 because I saw a cop in the median every few miles.
I actually like their law that classifies failing to use a turn signal as reckless driving. I hope that one is enforced at least as well as their speed limit.
It's gotten better in VA. Just last month we cruised from northwest VA down I-81 and we had to slow down when we crossed into TN (70 to 65 for some 20 miles before going up to 70 again). Most people were going 75 in VA and we didn't see many cops.
The funniest part of that drive is hitting the 55 or 60mph speed limit sign in Knoxville - everyone goes 80 there.
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Well now that the perennial cat is out of the bag about the pull ahead program, what would the mf & residual be on a 2014 X1 demo with 7,500 miles (36 months/ 12K per year)? I'm just curious;). Promise I won't go to the dealer until the car is due for service in another 6,000 miles;)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
xDrive? sDrive? 28i? 35i?
Actually, it doesn't matter ... base MF is .00130 and residual is 59% for 36/12.
Looks like $1500 in build out cash.
kyfdx can chime in on how the demo miles affect any of the above numbers.
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The mileage is accounted for by lowering the residual a set amount per mile. That number has bounced around over the last 6 years... It was $0.15 per mile in 2008, $0.30 per mile in 2011. The latest anecdotal evidence is $0.20/mi., this year. If it is $0.20/mile, then 7500 miles will lower the residual an additional $1500.
All other lease terms should be the same. Of course, you should expect to negotiate a selling price on the demo that is at least $1500 lower than what you would get on a new unit. Hopefully, a lot lower...
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You are talking to the wrong crowd buddy:)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
So says the guy who's looking to pull ahead his lease 5 months early.
Hey, not to throw cold water on your X1 excitement, but have you actually taken a close look at one?
I ask because you've indicated that your wife will drive it frequently with the kids - I wonder how big they are inside, and if the car seats will fit.
I still think a good sized sedan might be the best direction for you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm going to stick with sedan shopping for now. Both my boys will be in elementary school next year, so most of the time, my wife will be solo, with our daughter on her day off, or taking both boys to school (2 miles from my house). Either way, there is definitely room for 2 booster seats or 1 LATCHed in car seat. I'm going to start test driving sometime in June and narrowing choices down so she can pick what fits her best. I might as well keep my 328xi till the end of the lease:)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
There is just SO much wrong here.
How the hell did you determine the mileage?
Hey, a tape to aux adapter?! Way to sweeten the deal!
My biggest query: Why does it have a temp tag??! I'm thinking he bought it to resell it. But, man, better have been darned cheap to justify the tax and DMV fees you are throwing away.
BTW, wheels are terrible and those seat skins are looser than grandma's neck skin.
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Front bumper is scratched, it's missing the cover for the tow hook, missing front plate bracket and the bumper is torn all to heck underneath, wheels are ugly as sin, rear bumper beat up, left rear door beat up, trunk carpet torn up, spoiler is tacky and broken, and the grille is messed up. Cooling system looks original. What a turd.